help me - 15 weeks and will not sleep in the day!(40 Posts)
My DD is 15 weeks and she appears to have decided that sleep in the daytime is for wimps!
If she didn't want to sleep and was happy playing, it would be pretty full on but I could cope. But she is miserable and whingy. When she gets sleep, she is an absolute angel. So I know its the sleep that's making the difference.
Now I can't even get her to sleep with 20 mins of rocking swaying patting jiggling shhing. I have back and mobility issues and as she gets heavier it is more difficult for me to do this - especially when now it doesn't seem to work! The pram used to work but today even that has failed me - took her up to my mums group and she was almost asleep but because she was awake people were talking to her and smiling (which she always responds to!) and telling me that I shouldn't try and get her to sleep. She then went into total meltdown 10 mins later and I ended up having to get a drink with another mum as I just cried because she was so unhappy. I am so tired - if she doesn't get sleep she just cries and cries and I can't put her to sleep anymore - we have tried dummy, cuddling, patting, swaying, shhhing, rocking, pram walks, bouncing, she is swaddled, it just doesn't work any more and I feel like a shit mum because she is so tired.
I have grown to hate bf because I'm just feeding all the time as she's so miserable. I am at risk of injuring myself because of all the carrying and rocking, and now it doesn't even work!
I tried the 90 min thing ....does not work for dd and depressed the hell out of me!
think we will kinda carry on as we are for now ...if she won't sleep In the day then I will just cope for now rather than make us both unhappy after seeing bedtime live I'm resolved never to try controlled crying!
nice relieving to hear that other people are having the same sorts of issues. It's so harsh when most of the other mothers I know seem to have little angels who drift off peacefully on their own. Or that's their story!
I figured out about 6 weeks that he'd take a nap if I pushed him in the pram. I realise having read some of the threads that I'm really lucky for this at all but that's my life: pram pushing. On the plus side, you can combine this with some other activities, unlike if they'll only sleep on you on the couch! Problem is, I'm getting pretty jittery as he's 16 weeks and nearly outgrown his carrycot. I don't really want to have him napping 3 times a day in the pushchair, so I tried biting the bullet today and get him to nap in his cot but he screamed, sobbed, wriggled & cried the whole nap time. It's just terrible. If I could rock or feed him to sleep I probably would but he won't have any of it. With his persistence I wonder if CC would even work on him, but I don't really want to try it yet - altho he screams a hellava lot any which way.
He's all wide-eyed, so if we're indoors I have to shut off all stimulation - swaddle / white noise/ blind down / sucks my finger /ssshh pat/ and strangely enough, crinkly paper. Today I also had to cover his eyes because the blind didn't make the room dark enough. That's what I do in the evenings too, but because he's more up for sleeping in the evening, I know it will work out in the end - it takes anything from 20 mins to an hour.
teacher123 you said you'd worked on transferring your DC from pram to cot - how has that worked out? I think that might be a good interim step. I'd be really interested to hear.
Has anyone used a vibrating cot mattress pad? Would I be setting myself up for future problems if he got used to one. He just seems to love the pram movement so much...
Where are you trying to get her to sleep? I had this problem with my little one and after Weeks of trying to get him to nap in his Moses upstairs, we got a new Moses with a good and put it downstairs with some noise and he sleeps very well.now.
I've had (and posted!) almost the same problem. Agree with others on the 90 min awake time 'rule'. Even with no tired signs. And better to start getting them to sleep too soon than too late. With my DS (20 weeks now, sleep went downhill at 14 weeks ish) the thing to send him to sleep literally changes by the week...last week he didn't want to be held to sleep, he just shouted and wriggled, so I shh/patted him in his cot. This week I hold him on his side in my arms and bounce/rock/shh. Sometime he'll like his sling for naps, sometimes not. Sometimes he'll have a few days of happily falling asleep in his pram while walking, some weeks he won't. They are fickle creatures! What I'm trying to say is don't give up - I know how rubbish it is feeling like you spend all day getting them to sleep! Good luck
Have her reflux med doses been upped since she started? she will be growing so fast that doses need to be kept up to her weight or it won't work so well. Many people find they stop working so well after the first couple of weeks too so maybe time to change them slightly (depends on what she's on at the moment). Maybe have a chat to GP about increasing dose (go to see a different GP in practice if you can, the other one sounds like a nobber!)
my dd is 14 weeks can't think of much that would help but she is very similar and will simply stay up all day normally its only the boob that will calm her... will watch for further replies with interest!
Would second Luis and Sophia on the 90 minute rule - first nap 90 mins after waking, regardless of how awake or otherwise DD seems. that helped me to break the cycle of overtiredness that then dogged her later naps / night time settling....she got easier to settle and stayed asleep longer the less tired she was
backwards baby logic. I had to stay at home for a couple of weeks to crack it, so I could whisk her into her cot regularly.
the other thing that worked for us was being religious about only using her cot for sleep. when she was a couple of months she just didn't seem to know that she was supposed to sleep, iyswim! so I worked on trying to give her really clear cues. bedtime routine etc.
sorry if any of that is granny sucking eggs stuff / completely useless because it still doesn't help you actually get her to sleep! just didn't want to read and run. good luck. not sleeping is the toughest thing. if none of this is working please do ask DP / parents / good friend
/ anyone who will stop long enough to listen to take DC for a morning or afternoon so you can rest. I regularly do this at the weekends and the more I do it, the less guilty I feel!
DS was JUST the same at about the same age and it was truly truly hideous. I would walk up and down the riverbank sobbing on the It finally fell more into place at about 5 months. We tackled self settling at bedtime first and then worked on transferring his naps from the pushchair and carseat to the cot. I was a bit hard hearted though and wasn't averse to a bit of crying-I figured he was already doing shed loads of that because he was overtired. Don't despair! This is speaking as someone who has just been diagnosed with PND and anxiety so I should heed my own advice! The first time DS had a proper nap at home he was about 5mo. I sat on the landing outside his room too scared to move in case it woke him up! It WILL GET BETTER x x
Oh, and ignore other people and do what you feel is right. I am always getting oh he's not tired about DS1 when I go to put I'm to bed at 7. I think " hold on, who's on charge, 2.5 yr old or mummy"
Sorry about typos, one handed as usual.
All four of mine GF babies and all very different children but it does work.
Hi welliboots sory you are having a rough time. Have to say I would recommend GF as well. It might take a couple of weeks of staying at home, getting your teeth and sticking to it but it should help.
It could be she is actually getting overstimulated, and all the coking won't help. Also you obviously physically can't carry on so you are going o need to try something hard core.
I'm sorry you're having such a hard time with this
The only real advice I can give is the 90min rule. My 15 week old has an hour of activity after waking, then a wind down time which consists of me walking him round in my arms, then I rock him to sleep as we get towards 90mins awake time.
Lots of and . for you
OP I am going through exactly the same thing with my 19week old dd at the moment. I've just started a thread. Have had a really shitty morning with her. She's finally 'asleep' on the breast right now. I daren't move as we'll be back to square one. No advice, but some solidarity.
I'm very sorry to hear you're having such a hard time. Dd1 was like this. From the age of 3-6 months I had to drive her around for every single nap. Couldn't stop the car or she would wake instantly. So I ended up driving round for about 4 hours a day for 3 months. Crazy right ? But I was desperate!! As you say though, hell on earth. Then nighttimes started to become extremely difficult too - waking every hour.
How did we get past it? As soon as 6 month mark hit we started gina ford routine and did controlled crying. Started it at bedtime of day one and she cried for 45 mins in total. Day 2 nap one (in cot!!) she cried for 10 mins. Nap two, no crying! I was overjoyed. After that she slept 7-7 and 2 reliable naps a day every day!! Sounds unbelievable but that's exactly how it was. Couldn't recommend it highly enough.
Dd2 is currently 13 weeks and falling into a similar bad pattern. Can't drive round this time due to toddler ( and promised myself I wouldn't ever ever again!) but she will only nap in car seat so I sit rocking her for upwards of an hour every tine. I must be fling something wrong but I wish someone could tell me what it is and how to fix it! This tine I think I'll consider cc at 5 month ( for sake of my sanity!) as nighttimes have just taken abaaaad turn.
It won't last forever but u know that's of little help when you're in the thick of it!
feed to sleep doesnt work, she drops off for 10 mins max, sleeping on me doesnt work any more, I wish it did!
Yes she does have reflux, she is on medication, sorry forgot to mention that. There are good days and horrid days. i went to the GP 7 weeks ago and told him I wasnt coping.He said I should do controlled crying and to come back if I wanted to harm mself or DD so he was a lot of help!
OP I could have written your post every time DD hit a wonder week! Please don't feel like a failure cos you're not and it's not your fault! I have a friend who has exactly the same problem as you with her DD, so you have lots of sympathy from me My DD wouldn't sleep anywhere other than in my arms from 10-15w, then one day decided that she didn't like to sleep on people anymore and much preferred her cot! I have tried shhh pat too and think it's a total croc, DD just gets more worked up by it. Ewan the sheep definitely helped us, but DD discovering how to suck her thumb was by far and away the biggest miracle sleep maker ever (have you tried a dummy? i never would have said that until I saw the magic of the thumb!) And I'm a total controlling cow over how long she's awake, 90mins then back to bed (maybe try 75mins at 4months though?). Never gives me any tired signs until I'm feeding her just before I'm about to put her down to sleep, then get frantic eye rubbing, so totally ignore anyone who tries to tell you your baby doesn't look tired!
You said she is feeding all the time, is that because she's trying to suck herself to sleep? if she does eventually feed to sleep that way, can you sit with her sleeping on you (opportunity to put your feet up and chill too) for a bit and avoid the wake up as you put her into the cot? Even if it's just once a day, might help her recharge a bit at least.
Does she generally not like lying down or just during the day? Babies with silent reflux often hate lying down (makes the acid come up more) and also overfeed to soothe their throats. Probably totally barking up the wrong tree there, but thought I'd mention it in case.
Also, please don't get upset about her meltdowns in public, although I know how hard that is (been there many times) they are always far worse to your ears than anyone elses!
Sorry for the long post! hope you are going OK!
Ok, so pram it is for now.
Have you been to your GP?
I"ve started trying feed, play, sleep and putting her down swaddled in the crib and sshhhing, patting, stroking, rocking etc after 90 minutes, but IT DOESN"T WORK! Nothing works at the moment other than the pram, it is utterly hideous and she gets grumpy and screamy - I can't do anything in case she has a meltdown, I feel trapped
You're not a failure. Bad sleepers are ferocious.
Has anything changed since you started this thread?
Op I always.timed dd. I knew when she woke that 90mins later she would be swaddled and put down to sleep. My dm used to say "ahh she doesnt look tired to me"...lo and behold 5 mins later zzzzzzz.
It's really tough! I feel like a total failure. I cannot get her to sleep if I stay in the house, have to take the pram out, it's the only way! So I am exhausted and if one more person tells me to sleep when the baby sleeps, I will lamp them! I never realised it would get this tough, I even prefer the days when she used to only fall asleep on me - hated them at the time as I couldn't put her down at all, she would wake instantly, but this is absolute hell on earth, I didn't know parenting was this hard! People just tell me to sshhh and pat her til she falls asleep - IT DOESN"T WORK!!! I hate my life
I fully sympathise with you as well, OP. DD1 was the same and I remember feeling totally desperate and knackered. I tried every trick in the book. Nothing worked!! Then, one day she learned to roll, rolled onto her front and started sleeping (a bit!). Obviously there are health risks attached to this, so only try it of you are there to supervise.
I hope you soon find a solution that works for you and your baby.
Signs, not sight! Typing on phone while feeding!!
Sympathise with other people giving well meaning advice! Also with -*nicecupoftea*s experience of people thinking babies need constant. Stimulation and no sleep (ahem MIL).
Read troublesome tots website re white noise and swing. It's really helping my 18 week old. Also totally agree re 90mins awake time- my dd gets so overstimulated quickly and never shows sleepy sight until it's too bloody late and we have meltdown!! My ds was a dream sleeper- so it really isn't you- some babies are just hard work and anyone who says otherwise hasn't had one!
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