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15-month-old lying awake for two hours at night

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sproutpudding · 07/06/2011 19:33

Hello! I have a 15 month old DD who has a sleep 'problem' which seems to be a bit unusual - I have searched here and found a few other people posting about it but no solutions.

For almost three months now DD has woken practically every night (there was a period when it was down to two nights in three) for two hours (very occasionally longer - 4 hours was the record, and last week). It's not the same two hours every night, although it usually falls some time between about 10.30 and 3. During that time she tosses and turns a bit but doesn't scream or cry, doesn't want to play, lies there quietly but awake.

I used to sit in with her the whole time (she is in her own room) but because I cope less well with this wakeful period than she does I've been doing the 'gradual withdrawal' method and am now out of the door. Now that she can't see me she does complain more than she used to, but still I can creep away a little earlier to get some sleep.

I don't expect her to sleep all night (though she used to and it would be nice if she did) but I am worried that this is becoming an ingrained habit and I'm rearing a future insomniac. Most days DD is not obviously tired as she tends to make up for her two hours by sleeping later in the mornings than she used to (waking now at 6.30 to 7), but sometimes she is, which is another reason I'd consider it a sleep problem. She has one nap, normally an hour and a half, each day and falls asleep very easily at 7 as she is tired then.

Should I just be patient and wait for this to pass? Have I failed to teach her to settle herself to sleep - and if so, how can I do this? And thanks if you've read this far :)

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beachavendrea · 08/06/2011 14:30

i don't have much good advice expect that when my ds was 10 months he went through something similar, would wake up at randomn times for different amount of times and just not re-settle. Looking back now i think it was a combo of a sleep regression, him being really sick for ages and teething. He sleep was awesome for a while and now we are back to ver early morning wake-ups. I am hoping this time it is teeth.

Do you go straight into her? if my ds is not crying i just leave him, it's only if the cry becomes escalating that I go in. If she wasn't upset I would just leave her in her cot to play quietly be herself.

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sproutpudding · 08/06/2011 19:13

Hello beachavendrea, thank you very much for your post.

I do go straight into her, it's a bit of a reflex I think as I tend to jolt out of sleep and leap into her room. If I think she's teething I give her something for that and a drink of water, and then I say goodnight and leave. I am trying to hold back a bit, you are right, I probably do rush in to fast.

She doesn't want to play. She just lies there, and shifts about from time to time, a bit like I do when I can't get to sleep. Later she gets cross and complains, but I don't go in to her, I just say the same boring things from where I'm sitting, now outside her room.

Teeth may be playing a part, I just don't know. Her teeth take months and months to come through and only seem to bother her sporadically, but I can't be sure. Anyway, whether I give her something for this or not, and whether I give it as soon as she wakes up or after a while, it makes no difference in so far as she still stays awake for two hours.

How long was it before your DS got over that patch?

Sorry that you're having very early wake-ups, by the way. I've been there too and it is painful. I hope it passes soon. Brew

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beachavendrea · 10/06/2011 14:16

it lasted about a month with my ds, and he would kick off and scream for over 2 hours. Nothing we could do with soothe him.

Hopefully yours will pass, it'a annoying though when you hear them wake up and you lie there waiting for the cry.

my ds lastest trick is not to settle at nap times after being a good napper for ages. man they are fickle little creatures.

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sproutpudding · 10/06/2011 19:08

You're right there! And it's not as if you can MAKE them sleep either. At the moment that would be my superpower - the ability to make any child fall asleep just by looking at them.

At first I really did think it would pass, for the first month I believed it was developmental (it may well have started like that) and that one day she would simply snap back to how she had been before. Alas, it hasn't happened. Luckily, unlike your DS she doesn't scream the whole time, she just gets periodically frustrated and cries then, and cries if she's on her own for very long.

We're now thinking that maybe DD isn't getting enough sleep and that, bizarrely enough, is why she remains awake for hours, so will try to reinstate a second nap and see what happens then. My heart sinks a bit as we jettisoned the second nap because she steadfastly refused it and the first nap was getting later and later, the whole nap thing became a bit of a nightmare really. But perhaps we were wrong.

I don't have any helpful suggestions for a nap resister, sorry. I hope it passes soon!

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vez123 · 10/06/2011 21:53

What time does your DD nap during the day?

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Iggly · 11/06/2011 08:14

Given that she falls asleep so quickly at bedtime, and is awake for two hours at a time at night, perhaps you could put her to bed half an hour earlier for a week to give her a chance to catch up? Also get her plenty of fresh air and outdoor activity outside mainly in the mornings - don't overdo it in the afternoons, that can be for less strenuous activity.

DS sleeps a lot better if I take him to the park in the mornings after a bit of a walk in his pushchair there and back which gives him a chance to have a ten min power nap as he doesn't have morning naps but seems to need them a bit.

Also worth making her lunch a little earlier after a busy morning and let her nap earlier, again just for a week.

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sproutpudding · 12/06/2011 12:11

Hello vez and Iggly, thank you for your replies.

DD generally has her nap around 11, and sleeps for an hour and a half, sometimes two hours.

The extra nap plan isn't looking like a goer since after a slew of bad nights DD is sleeping until 7 and I just don't think we can fit an extra nap in. So, Iggly, great minds thinking alike etc. etc., we've started putting her to bed at 6 to see if that will help. Last night was terrible, she was awake for more than 3 hours, but I think that may be teeth again. We are both feeling quite crap this morning.

Because DD naps before lunch and because I'm out most mornings, any outings we take tend to be in the afternoons. She does get a lot of exercise rushing about at home, especially when the weather's nice and she can play in the garden, but perhaps not enough? Will definitely persuade DP to take her out in the mornings then, there's no park here but a playground (which she doesn't much care for) about ten minutes' walk away. Thank you very much for the suggestion.

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vez123 · 12/06/2011 20:25

Have you tried shortening her daytime sleep? I know it sounds crazy but this is what really helped to get my DS's sleeping issues under control. We went from 2.5 hours to just about one hour now. Obviously over some time.. But he would wake up in the night if he sleeps more than 1.5 hours over lunch and it can take over two hours to get him back to sleep. I do believe though that he needs less sleep than most of his age (12 months) but it may be worth a try? Last night he slept through nearly 12 hours and only had a 45 minute nap over lunch, but was cheerful all day!
I would try and push ypur DD's nap closer to 12 or 12:30 and maybe try to reduce it a bit. It took us a lot of trial and error with our DS and it's an ongoing project. But we definitely saw a marked improvement as soon as we pushed his nap into the middle of the day and reduced his daytime sleep.

It's just a suggestion, all kids are different. But if your DD is awake for 3 hours in the night it seems to me she is just not tired enough to sleep through.

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sproutpudding · 13/06/2011 20:01

Dear clever vez, if you had suggested laying DD on a mattress of strawberries I would do it, but in any case what you write makes sense. DD too has never seemed to need quite as much sleep as the average baby so perhaps she has fallen into a habit of making up sleep in the day.

I will go and convince my DP of your brilliance and we will try it for a few days - will let you know how it goes.

Thank you!

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sproutpudding · 08/10/2011 19:16

This is an OLD OLD thread, but I've come back to it to write what happened for any future desperate sleepless mother of a 12- to 19-month-old who has a similar problem to my DD, lying awake for two or three hours each night (but not really complaining and not wanting to get up). I spent hours trawling the internet and found other people who had asked about exactly the same thing but nobody ever replied from experience and the posters never returned to write what had happened to them. (I began to fear they'd all died of sleep deprivation. Smile) So this is for anyone in the future searching as I did.

Anyway, my DD is now 19 months old and we are all still alive and finally, finally things are better.

We tried a lot of different things but actually life improved a great deal when I just accepted that I could do nothing about it. I stopped sitting up with her and instead started bringing her into bed with us when she woke up and could not sleep. At first this improved things a little but after a couple of months she was back to the two to three hours of lying awake plus kicking both DP and me in the head for most of that time (she likes to sleep horizontally; our bed is not large). So then I remembered some large sofa cushions from a sofa which died, and so I changed tactic, and when she woke I'd give her a drink of water and make up a bed with the cushions and some blankets on the floor beside her cot back in her own room. Normally she'd settle down quietly and I'd doze off and maybe not wake up until some hours later (I'd get a bit stiff as it wasn't very comfy) when I could crawl back to my proper bed; sometimes she'd grumble and I'd wake up a few times, and sometimes she'd get frustrated and throw her toys out of the cot, but compared to what life had been it was bliss.

Something which may have helped was that she weaned herself off the breast when she was 16 months - before that she'd fed herself to sleep in the evenings. Instead in the evenings I did the 'gradual withdrawal' method I think they call it, putting her to bed and sitting with her until she slept, but moving the chair a bit further away every few nights, until I could put her down, say good night and walk out of the room. (We had done this a couple of months earlier with her daytime nap and it had worked well.) Perhaps it made her more confident about falling asleep.

But, future sleep-deprived reader, I cannot be sure this made any difference. I suspect that it was teething-related, as she's just cut her last tooth. She's older now too, and less anxious I think about the dark and being alone in it. Now she wakes a couple of times most nights, but usually with a drink of water and a pat on the back she settles back down and I leave her. Probably one night in four I have to sleep on the cushions, but it's always improving. (Sometimes she only wakes once!)

So, there is hope, things will get better, but you probably just have to wait it out. The best thing to do is find a way that you can get lots of sleep, and don't worry. Good luck, and best wishes! Wink

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Emsmaman · 09/10/2011 09:13

Sproutpudding, thanks for the update and the hope! I have a 6mo who has 3am parties. At first I thought it was developmental (crawling), then she cut her first teeth and had two colds in the last month. I keep making excuses for her but am also worried that she's now getting too much sleep in the day but nothing makes a difference (putting her down awake, less daytime sleep, more daytime sleep, 3 meals per day, crawling, tiring activities like swimming and gymboree).

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sproutpudding · 10/10/2011 19:47

Emsmaman, I feel for you. I can't remember what DD was doing aged six months (thank you, sleep-deprived brain) but I doubt it was sleeping much.

Maybe your excuses are in fact entirely fair? I think there's a limit to which you can work against nature, and since you've tried lots of things just try to make it easier for yourself until it passes. But that's just my experience... Hope things improve soon, anyway!

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Emsmaman · 12/10/2011 08:39

Thanks Sproutpudding. Last night I got a bit more sleep (with a party 3:30-5am) so feeling better than I have all week. It's better now I just accept it's going to happen! I hate having to talk to friends with perfect sleepers, they seem to think it's something they did that made them that way and that we are not doing. And when they say things like "oh yes I remember that one night when dc was overtired and didn't fall asleep until 11pm". 1 Fricking night!!!Aaah!!!

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newtothenet · 17/01/2015 16:50

Hi sproutpudding, I don't know if you'll see this now but I am that future desperate sleepless mother and am so grateful for your update. We have a similar problem with my almost 2yo DD1 which we think stems from our house move and DD2 being born within the same month. She either can't get to sleep in the evening or wakes in the night. As we're up all night with the newborn feeding on demand we're following the easiest path for us. My DH will get into bed with DD1 when she wakes up and we all get the maximum sleep possible. Thanks to your update I know it won't last forever and that it's possible to come out the other side without heavy sleep training.

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