Why Can't We Have An 'Ignore' Button?

(59 Posts)
CKDexterHaven Fri 22-Aug-14 15:13:57

Mumsnet is a constant target for trolls and anti-social men's rights types who constantly derail threads, constantly rehash old tired arguments and sometimes post downright offensive comments. Wouldn't it be easier for women to get together and talk in the way they want to talk and keep threads on-topic if there was an 'ignore' button as there is on other sites.

If you are unfamiliar with this it is a button which allows individual users to block the posts of posters they feel to be trolls, deliberately offensive or derailers. It does not prevent people who wish to see these posts from seeing them. There are people out there who really hate that women get to talk to one another and it would be great to just skip over them.

Other forums have this, why can't we?

Sparklingbrook Fri 22-Aug-14 15:24:48

Posters that name change all the time-that would be the problem.

Not if it blocked posters by IP address.

Sparklingbrook Fri 22-Aug-14 15:26:37

Is that even possible? I think determined trolls can get round the IP address thing? Might be wrong though.

It would be nice in theory, the trouble is that as you say, threads get derailed by these annoying posters, so if you ignore one, the rest of the thread wouldn't make a lot of sense, as you still end up reading the derailment! Bit like when someone's posts get deleted en masse, you end up playing detective and eventually figuring out what was said.

Sparklingbrook Fri 22-Aug-14 15:33:40

I have said this many time but I have hidden AIBU as a complete topic and have hardly seen a troll, it really is a massive improvement.

Know what you mean, Sparklingbrook. I hid the FWR board for ages for the same reason.

Sparklingbrook Fri 22-Aug-14 15:47:18

I think I have more hidden than not Gilbert. I try and stay in the lighthearted bits, The Litter Tray and a bit of a look in Teenagers.

I haven't hidden Education yet as I have school age DC but even those topics can get a bit hmm.

CKDexterHaven Fri 22-Aug-14 15:55:04

I agree that name-changing is an issue but it only takes a second to reblock someone. On another forum I have people on 'ignore' but they have no way of telling this, other people don't have them on 'ignore' so they don't name-change and I don't have to see their comments.

My hope for the FWR threads would be that people get savvy to the trolls pretty quickly and block en-masse, instead of engaging them in argument, and thereby the thread would still be easy to follow. It's a bit annoying when you have ignored someone and other people, who clearly feel the same way as you, spend time arguing with them instead of keeping the thread on topic.

GlacindaTheTroll Fri 22-Aug-14 15:57:26

"If you are unfamiliar with this"

grin

You really think MNHQ have ignored all the other threads about it?

It's a much discussed and very definite decision that MN does not have this feature.

Maryz Fri 22-Aug-14 16:24:57

It can't hide posters by IP address, thought the shit would hit the fan if it did.

Imagine: I hide Poster X and Poster Y magically disappears; Bingo grin I know who the goady fuckers are and all their names.

Added to which I think most of the ones that annoy me change account instead of changing name - there seems to be a never ending rota of PBPs.

Personally I would like a hide poster function; I got absofucklutely barbecued for it last time I asked though [sigh]

Sparklingbrook Fri 22-Aug-14 16:26:43

I think a few rules and regulations re name changing would improve the site no end.

WorraLiberty Fri 22-Aug-14 16:28:41

Oh we're all familiar with this idea being put forward

very very very very familiar

My hope for the FWR threads would be that people get savvy to the trolls pretty quickly and block en-masse, instead of engaging them in argument, and thereby the thread would still be easy to follow.

If they're the type to want to engage in an argument with a troll, they're hardly likely to block them really?

Sparklingbrook Fri 22-Aug-14 16:30:42

Some people love trolls and love having arguments with them unfortunately.

ElephantsNeverForgive Fri 22-Aug-14 16:33:26

The trouble is we can all be Goady Fuckers sometimes on some topics and we can be sweet and helpful on others (I hope).

Trolls just name change and hack the system.

EdithWeston Fri 22-Aug-14 16:38:00

Well, ignoring trolls is the best way of choking them off (for lack of reaction starves them of their purpose).

But for that to work, everyone would have to buy in to the idea, and I think that's unworkable. Though I have seen it happen (briefly) from time to time, usually after a 'what to do about trolls' thread. But it never seems to stick (pity).

Sparklingbrook Fri 22-Aug-14 16:40:12

The trouble is we can all be Goady Fuckers sometimes

I like to think I am the same on every topic and not a GF on any TBH.

EdithWeston Fri 22-Aug-14 16:45:10

But it's awfully easy to be misunderstood, and if one person does so lots can swarm around.

One post expressing mild antipathy to something can rapidly snowball into assumptions of rabid outrage (irrespective of previous posting history which shows that you're usually perfectly normal).

CKDexterHaven Fri 22-Aug-14 16:46:39

Do you think Mumsnet HQ wants the trolls and derailers because of the extra traffic? I would think they cause more people to get fed up with the site.

mammuzzamia Fri 22-Aug-14 16:47:56

I'd like this feature. Just for the trolls and less than genuine posters

Maryz Fri 22-Aug-14 16:50:45

<coughs> penisbeaker <coughs>

ZoeWannaBaker Fri 22-Aug-14 16:53:05

Excellent idea!!

<adds to list just after Like Button>

WorraLiberty Fri 22-Aug-14 16:53:33

Do you think Mumsnet HQ wants the trolls and derailers because of the extra traffic? I would think they cause more people to get fed up with the site.

No I don't think they want them

But one person's 'derailer' is often another person's idea of someone giving a totally different point of view.

As for the trolls, we're all encouraged to report them anyway. Although imo there's often very little point, as some posts are still being left to stand for hours on end.

I think a hide poster button would cause derailment on many threads, because they wouldn't make sense to people who have hidden those making quite a large contribution to it. Therefore, much of the threads are likely to be taken up with other posters having to explain what the hidden posters have said.

What a headache that would be for everyone.

Sparklingbrook Fri 22-Aug-14 16:55:11

If the thread is full of trolls and GFs just hide it and move on.

Kablooger Fri 22-Aug-14 16:55:17

i have just hit the ignore button on this thread as this whole topic is SO OLD>

Kablooger Fri 22-Aug-14 16:55:31

mumsnet is NOT obligatory!

Sparklingbrook Fri 22-Aug-14 16:56:43

You should have hidden the thread Kablooger. wink Ignoring it would mean not posting on it surely? grin

OneSkinnyChip Fri 22-Aug-14 17:00:24

It would rely on common sense but actually I think it would be useful. There are a couple of posters who I think completely derail threads on certain topics and I would quite like to ignore them and focus on the OP.

In a few cases (especially on the FWR threads) I would happily tell the GFs and MRAs that I'm ignoring them. I often lurk rather than post on these threads because I can't be bothered engaging with the bastard trolls. That seems crazy - that women can't post freely about women's rights on a board predominantly for women. There was a thread during the week which I would have liked to contribute to but it had been completely dominated by a MRA type. He totally derailed the discussion. I admired the people who responded but then the thread became all about him and not the OP.

BoneyBackJefferson Fri 22-Aug-14 17:01:42

My hope for the FWR threads would be that people get savvy to the trolls pretty quickly and block en-masse, instead of engaging them in argument, and thereby the thread would still be easy to follow.

Then it could become a feminist board and not as a board to discuss feminism on.

4boysxhappy Fri 22-Aug-14 17:05:34

It would end up as a form of censorship.

Already the idea of free speak is not allowed if it mentions a subject that might affect others or posters will go off topic to attack a poster on a personal level when it comes to a lack of understanding about issues around abuse.

Trolls will only win if you keep censoring. The same way terrorists win if we are to scared to live are lifes as before.

WhereforeArtThou Fri 22-Aug-14 17:06:30

I'd love a hide poster bottom. There a a few posters who I would be happy to hide. I can't see why it's not an option. If I choose to hide someone it doesn't effect anyone except for me! If it ends up making a thread incomprehensible then that would be my own problem and no one else's.

WhereforeArtThou Fri 22-Aug-14 17:07:41

Lol, auto correct. I'm sure I would like a hide poster bottom but perhaps a hide poster button would be a better idea blush

WorraLiberty Fri 22-Aug-14 17:45:03

If I choose to hide someone it doesn't effect anyone except for me! If it ends up making a thread incomprehensible then that would be my own problem and no one else's.

I still think it might affect others.

If you were chatting about oranges and a poster you've hidden mentions lemons, a lot of replies might suddenly focus on lemons. At some point you're likely to say "But no-one's talking about lemons!! Read the OP!"

Cue many replies and X posts, explaining to you why we're suddenly talking about lemons.

WhereforeArtThou Fri 22-Aug-14 17:47:58

If when you hid a poster it was apparent on the thread then if the conversation started to take a different path the it would be clear that it would be because of the hidden posts.

Panzee Fri 22-Aug-14 17:50:54

On other sites in the gap for your hidden poster it says GoadyFuckerTroll has posted here but it is hidden. So you know that if it's getting weird it's because everyone is engaging with GoadyFuckerTroll. It's not difficult to handle.

WorraLiberty Fri 22-Aug-14 17:53:49

Ahh I see

Still, when said GoadyFuckerTroll makes a goady fucker trollish comment, it's bound to be copied and pasted by everyone who replies to them anyway.

Panzee Fri 22-Aug-14 17:54:45

Yeah, quoting still rankles.

Maryz Fri 22-Aug-14 17:58:02

Worra's lemon analogy makes sense.

But one would hope that those who had posters hidden would realise that the post they have hidden was the lemon-mentioning post.

Actually, strike that [sigh] - an increasing number of posters don't seem to RTFT at all so orange/lemon confusion would be inevitible.

Maryz Fri 22-Aug-14 17:59:48

How did I do that?

I cross posted with Wherefore and Panzee.

I asked for a "hide threads started by X poster" which I still think would be rather good. If those of us who are a tad, erm, opinionated on certain sections of the site know we are in danger of being wound up by certain posters we could hide at least the threads they start, even if we have to continue to restrain ourselves on other threads.

capant Fri 22-Aug-14 18:00:01

I would rather MNHQ hire more people to respond to reports, much quicker.

EdithWeston Fri 22-Aug-14 18:02:31

"Then it could become a feminist board and not as a board to discuss feminism on."

It'll never be a "feminist board" and I think the assumption that it could be has caused a huge number of quite heated threads. MNHQ have been really clear that it's another MN board on which to discuss feminism. And have maintained his position through a number of (lengthy) threads, where this has been thrashed out in detail.

WorraLiberty Fri 22-Aug-14 18:06:45

<< Considers asking for a hide lemons button >>

AttentionSeekingFantasist Fri 22-Aug-14 18:14:37

It's not the GFs that get me, it's the boredom. I find some posters - no doubt highly regarded and valued by many others - popping up on thread after thread with yet another made-up problem, or re-posting the same revolting anecdote they posted last month. I skim over names when I notice them, but would like to be able to just make them go away. My doing so would not impact in any way on anyone else's use of the site. Or I could just get off MN and get a life...

CKDexterHaven Fri 22-Aug-14 18:16:30

I don't want to hide threads because I might be interested in discussing the topic. I don't see it as a censorship issue as it wouldn't prevent other people seeing the posts you have ignored. I don't see what individual posters would lose by having this. I know for sure there are some posters who would have me on 'ignore' and don't care about this because I would still be free to post.

Sparklingbrook Fri 22-Aug-14 18:22:25

I am happy to hide a thread about anything because I don't want to discuss topics with GFs and trolls and people who don't know when to let it lie.

MN isn't that important.

BoneyBackJefferson Fri 22-Aug-14 18:25:34

Edith

I remember the threads about it, but if a group were to form (and they have done in the past oldies/moldies etc.) it would be possible to subvert the boards.

It should also be pointed out that one posters "goadyfuckertroll" is another posters good point, so what happens when the alleged "goadyfuckertroll's" points are taken up by other posters?

LatteLoverLovesLattes Fri 22-Aug-14 18:31:54

Other forums have this, why can't we

There are 101 back threads if you want to read MN's stance on this, not doing it makes perfect sense.

If someone is being A Goady Fucker, just ignore them and report them (they sometimes get banned. I know they only have to set up a new account to start again, but it's a hassle to do, so eventually they might find another playground). They feed off of replies - so don't feed them!

capsium Fri 22-Aug-14 18:40:23

I quite like the possibility of them. I don't want to be agreed with all the time. Challenge is good, it tests your views. Being deliberately offensive however is not, and where I would draw the line. Although I often let it go though, so people can see them for what they are, which is not to be taken altogether seriously. I can fully understand deletion though, especially if confidential information is posted.

So if I was to ignore I would rather ignore as I do in real life and that is not respond.

Panzee Fri 22-Aug-14 18:46:43

But WorraLiberty if you hide the lemon you can't play Travelling Lemon...

capsium Fri 22-Aug-14 18:48:30

^I like the possibility of trolls that is. I think people 'troll' in real life by being overly eristic, or critical for the sake of being critical and playing 'devil's advocate'.

EdithWeston Fri 22-Aug-14 18:58:40

"I remember the threads about it, but if a group were to form (and they have done in the past oldies/moldies etc.) it would be possible to subvert the boards."

Yes, possible, but I'd hope not likely. For subverting boards to limit (legal) freedom of expression would mean bullying others into silence had come to MN and that would be a shame. But starting a new website or other online group is always an option for those who would prefer that to a (mainly) unmoderated site. And the unmoderated ethos is a positive point for many.

WorraLiberty Fri 22-Aug-14 21:12:31

Do I want to know what travelling lemon is? shock

<< Hides Panzee >>

OneSkinnyChip Fri 22-Aug-14 23:35:18

See I think trolls win when they get attention. What better way to starve them of attention than ignore them? No read, no reaction. It's like they don't exist.

TiggyD Sat 23-Aug-14 17:21:29

Long thread about interesting subject...

...

...

<Nice Poster> So how do we solve this problem?

<Hidden Poster1> [hidden]

<Nice Poster> That's a good idea Hidden Poster1. Let's talk about that for a while!

<Other Nice Poster> What about the squirrels? Can we get enough grease?

<Different Nice Poster> You could try hitting it with a hammer! megaLOL!!!!

<You> WTF is everybody on about?

TiggyD Sat 23-Aug-14 17:26:10

Or...

<Nice Poster1> I think A.

<You> I think B.

<Hidden Poster1> [hidden]

<Other Nice Poster> I think C.

<You> Not sure C would work because of the otters.

<Nice Poster1> That was very rude You.

<Other Nice Poster> Yes. Can't believe you posted that after what Hidden Poster1 said!

TiggyD Sat 23-Aug-14 17:28:11

Wouldn't work. Threads would become a nightmare of confusion and misunderstanding with people only hearing half of a conversation.

ShutUpPan Sat 23-Aug-14 17:59:31

Threads would become a nightmare of confusion and misunderstanding with people only hearing half of a conversation.

So no change there then.grin

The FWR/womens rights board wasn't intended to be so exclusive as 'feminists only' - it came out of the dreadful fall out from the dittany episodes- and the 'womens rights' bit is the signifier of that.

BoneyBackJefferson Sat 23-Aug-14 18:48:37

It took a major fall out from a push to make it a feminist board to clarify that it is a board to talk about feminism.

capsium Sat 23-Aug-14 21:00:23

As I says earlier, I don't mind trolls. You get the devils advocate, the resistive characters and overly critical in real life. Well I have certainly come across them...what I mean is I don't expect MN to be any different and would be rather dissapointed if it was. I expect my views to get tested anyway..it is what makes boards exciting...

Re. Feminist boards I have been on a few threads but always feel I am lacking in a knowledge of all the classic ideological positions. It is like you have to be really clever just to comment sometimes...just me feeling this? Maybe..

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