There's a rumour that anyfucker has been banned. Can you clarify before there is a riot please?

(139 Posts)
Fluffycloudland77 Wed 23-Oct-13 20:26:33

I was coming over to ask that too.

TrinityRhino Wed 23-Oct-13 20:27:15

yes I need to know too
thankyou

Just wondered how we would riot?

But yes.

WHERE IS AF???????

About time if she has. All that good, no nonsense advice, wit and empathy. I'm SICK of her.

NB If she has been banned I will come down to MNHQ and I will bring a placard with me. It won't be clean. You have been warned.

JacqueslePeacock Wed 23-Oct-13 20:32:08

A riot. There's an idea.

AlistairSim Wed 23-Oct-13 20:32:52

shock

PedlarsSpanner Wed 23-Oct-13 20:33:07

oy vey

sunbathe Wed 23-Oct-13 20:33:08

Bring back AnyFucker!

Indith Wed 23-Oct-13 20:33:24

What?!

What the fuck(er)?

What? I mean really WHAT?

HereComesHoneyBooBooDragon Wed 23-Oct-13 20:36:47

If she has they won't say.

And if they say anything it won't be nice <<bitter>>, which will allow a complete pile in and he won't have the right of reply. sad

samu2 Wed 23-Oct-13 20:41:19

Buch of crap, this.

Banning AnyFucker is a crappy stupid decision.

Bunnygotwhacked Wed 23-Oct-13 20:43:10

can someone tweet justine et al in case they haven't seen it yet poor show if they have and just not answered

TheFabulousIdiot Wed 23-Oct-13 20:44:07

Seen this happening on other forums. Banning the good ones, place implodes and then limps on blandly.

MNHQ beware of believing your own hype. Banning the good ones is a big pile of shit which will change things irreparably.

TrinityRhino Wed 23-Oct-13 20:44:57

I really hope they just haven't seen this

if they have banned AF thought they would be expecting us to kick off....

TrinityRhino Wed 23-Oct-13 20:45:49

I second Fabulous

SecretNutellaFix Wed 23-Oct-13 20:46:13

They won't say because they refuse to admit that others are right about the situation and they have banned because they must be seen to be doing, rather than banning the goady fuckers.

Bunnygotwhacked Wed 23-Oct-13 20:46:58

true TFI the trust is broken people leave threads get boring and tail off site dies slowly the talk is what makes mumsnet

Thurlow Wed 23-Oct-13 20:48:44

I'll really miss AF if she has been banned, she talked some great sense - but <hunkers down and whispers nervously> if a poster did do something really against the rules, it doesn't really matter how popular or well known they are?

Agree that the goady fuckers should be got shot of first though!

headlesslambrini Wed 23-Oct-13 20:49:55

why are they so quiet, I haven't seen them on any threads at all tonight.

BRING BACK ANYFUCKER

LEMisdisappointed Wed 23-Oct-13 20:50:37

I would imagine that they will all be working overtime in preparation for the uproar. I don't agree with everyhing AF posts but she has been good to me, made a difference - i feel quite sad about it. Mnet isn't what it was.

DownstairsMixUp Wed 23-Oct-13 20:51:03

I bet mnhq are reading these but dont know how to respond!

Bunnygotwhacked Wed 23-Oct-13 20:51:45

Does AF want to come back? I'm not sure I would if i had been treated like whats been said I would feel censored

Bunnygotwhacked Wed 23-Oct-13 20:52:20

meant to post that on other thread sorry

Fluffycloudland77 Wed 23-Oct-13 20:52:37

No, I don't think they know what to say either.

StainlessSteelBegonia Wed 23-Oct-13 20:56:48

Bluntly, MNHQ are a nice bunch but have never been internet savvy. They will have no idea if an invasion of MN is being planned, because they won't monitor for anything like that. And it's easier for them to ban a known factor - like a regular on MN - than it is to actually investigate a mysterious wave of goady fuckers who've appeared here after wide media coverage of Penis Beaker and the Telegraph's recent article about poor MN mummies being cross & horrified by the sex threads.

Moderating a site is hard (and I have the scars from it myself), but unfortunately I think there is now enough external unfriendly interest in MN that MNHQ needs to work out how to protect this community. Banning real community members is NOT a good approach.

Chants "why are we waiting, why are we waiting"
Come on HQ, people are mighty upset about this.

If AF has been a GF, abusive, a troll or a troll hunter or anything else against the rules, she should definitely be treated like any other poster irrespective of her legendary status.

But has she? Because as much as I wouldn't agree with special treatment for MNeratti she is really treasured round here and it isn't s

TeamEdward Wed 23-Oct-13 20:59:52

I was going to suggest Molotov cocktails, but my gin is too precious.

TEErickOrTEEreat Wed 23-Oct-13 21:00:18

A riot?

What sort of clarification would you like?

They aren't going to tell you the whys, wherefores and whiches.

Especially not at nearly 9pm.

hiddenhome Wed 23-Oct-13 21:00:18

Community members are dispensable though aren't they? It's the advertising revenue that counts and how much of that is controlled by the MRA types? You can't upset them now can you?

48th Wed 23-Oct-13 21:00:30

Surely not?

Mellowandfruitful Wed 23-Oct-13 21:01:07

I doubt MNHQ will say very much about this, if anything.

RaRayRay Wed 23-Oct-13 21:03:59

shockshockshockshockshockshockshock

** *** *

^
Not pleasant believe me !

They will respond.

Patience.

AnyFuckerGotBunnywhacked Wed 23-Oct-13 21:11:15

I would like an explanation an apology and a reinstated AF it might not happen but I'm going to try you don't ask you don't get

GurlwiththeAnyFuckerCurl Wed 23-Oct-13 21:25:10

Name changed in support.

EricLovesAnyFucker Wed 23-Oct-13 21:26:57

I dare say anyfucker did/does make some personal attacks. She's a very active and visible member and the abuse/rape apologists, mras and handmaidens hate her and attack her regularly. So I'm sure she responds in kind. But, look at the proportion of PAs next to the proportion of incredibly sensible, insightful and helpful posts she does - there's no contest. She's too valuable to us, to mumsnet. She's been goaded and provoked by trolls and posters with a strongly anti feminist and anti woman agenda, and she gets banned. Wtf.

BellEndTent Wed 23-Oct-13 21:27:37

Hear, hear Stainless.

LurkingNineToFive Wed 23-Oct-13 21:27:50

Tell us!!!

Isabeller Wed 23-Oct-13 21:31:28

What you say sounds very plausible Stainless. It is such a shame.

Pancakeflipper Wed 23-Oct-13 21:32:20

I bet the MNHQ staff member who flicked the 'banned' switch is currently sat under a desk surrounded by other MNHQ staff muttering "why did you do that? You realise that's nuclear and there will 146 threads demanding your explanation by 11.30pm. It better be a good reason...."

happyon Wed 23-Oct-13 21:33:33

Come on MNHQ. What's going on? You must know that you are wrong by this stage.

NotEnoughTime Wed 23-Oct-13 21:34:43

I really hope this is not true sad

Yes, AF was direct and didn't mince her words BUT she was one of the kindest, wisest and most compassionate posters on here.

I don't know what has gone on but I do know that if she has been banned we have lost a good, sage advisor who has helped many desperate (and no, I'm not exaggerating when I say desperate) women over the years.

BunnyHill Wed 23-Oct-13 21:37:51

I'd be happy to riot for this cause. It does feel like the beginning of the end... sad

I hope it's not true too sad

AnyFuckerknowswhatursayin Wed 23-Oct-13 21:39:12

REINSTATE PLS

AnyGnuFucker Wed 23-Oct-13 21:39:30

Pretty sure the cyber-riot is in full swing! It's going to take a lot of gin for HQ to calm the vipers nest tonight!

Bring back AF... I feel like we need a hashtag - #BBAF

LifeHuh Wed 23-Oct-13 21:39:48

I dare say anyfucker did/does make some personal attacks. She's a very active and visible member and the abuse/rape apologists, mras and handmaidens hate her and attack her regularly. So I'm sure she responds in kind. But, look at the proportion of PAs next to the proportion of incredibly sensible, insightful and helpful posts she does - there's no contest. She's too valuable to us, to mumsnet. She's been goaded and provoked by trolls and posters with a strongly anti feminist and anti woman agenda, and she gets banned. Wtf.

This. Definitely this. It is the posters like AF who make MN what it is,and without the regulars like her,it will lose its character - the reason why so many of us are here.

fuckbutfucky Wed 23-Oct-13 21:40:18

As I have just said in another thread:
Regardless of what you think of her, she was always fucking right.as sure as eggs are eggs, in a day, a month, a year, the OP would come back and say AF you were right. Why didn't I listen to you?

EdithWeston Wed 23-Oct-13 21:40:46

"If she has they won't say."

Why not? They did when DBF was banned in November 2011.

SamBonoFucker Wed 23-Oct-13 21:41:35

What can MNHQ possibly say?

There is no good reason to ban her.

girliefriend Wed 23-Oct-13 21:42:30

Why would they have banned her? confused

AnyFuckerknowswhatursayin Wed 23-Oct-13 21:44:43

If mumsnet disagrees with AF and feminist outlook then it's not the mumsnet I thought it was and may as well be nethuns afaic

LeBearPolar Wed 23-Oct-13 21:46:18

I don't think they're going to explain. But unless they do, and it turns out that she has indeed done something that she should be banned for, MNetters are going to feel betrayed and let down.

AF epitomises the forthright, ballsy MNetter that the site used to be proud of, but I suspect that it's easier to ban her than it is to make a determined effort to tackle the MRAs, the rape apologists and the trolls that have infiltrated the site now.

CharlieAlphaKiloEcho Wed 23-Oct-13 21:47:07

I dare say anyfucker did/does make some personal attacks. She's a very active and visible member and the abuse/rape apologists, mras and handmaidens hate her and attack her regularly. So I'm sure she responds in kind. But, look at the proportion of PAs next to the proportion of incredibly sensible, insightful and helpful posts she does - there's no contest. She's too valuable to us, to mumsnet. She's been goaded and provoked by trolls and posters with a strongly anti feminist and anti woman agenda, and she gets banned. Wtf.

^this. 100% this.

But sadly she just doesn't fit with the "sell more ad space aren't we lovely mummies" route MN seems to be taking these days sad

Sad day if it's true.

I wouldn't expect a proper answer from them though. They'll be trying to ignore the fuss as much as possible until we've all decided to be reasonable probably.

DearPrudence Wed 23-Oct-13 21:47:24

Another one wanting to know if it's true and hoping it isn't

sittinginthesun Wed 23-Oct-13 21:48:06

Hasn't Olivia gone on maternity leave now? Bet whoever is covering is wishing they hadn't.

AnyFuckezLaVache Wed 23-Oct-13 21:50:18

Let's all change our bastard names in protest. She is fucking superb, we need her back NOW!!

AnyFuckerGotBunnywhacked Wed 23-Oct-13 21:53:28

theres been a standard acknowledgment on the other thread

Thanks for all the reports - we're not ignoring you, honest! We work in shifts and are waiting for other members of MNHQ to see the thread.

We will say that we never ban anyone lightly. There's a lot of consideration, and often multiple emails, that go on before we even get to that stage.

All of your posts and concerns have been noted.

TeaAndSconesTwiceFucker Wed 23-Oct-13 21:54:40

Yes I would like to know WHY, shocking behaviour MNHQ

StainlessSteelBegonia Wed 23-Oct-13 21:57:17

Peeps, MNHQ have actually just deleted the Support Attack thread because it's "not in the spirit of the site."

This IS the site. It's speaking back right now. That's the point.

AnyFuckerGotBunnywhacked Wed 23-Oct-13 22:00:30

Message from MNHQ: Ummmm, full of PA's / not in the spirit of the site
deletion pretty sure it wasn't passive

TrinityRhino Wed 23-Oct-13 22:00:31

so deleted our support thread but not answered us??

AnyFuckerGotBunnywhacked Wed 23-Oct-13 22:01:07

ignore me pa in this case being personal attack not passive aggressive

Thurlow Wed 23-Oct-13 22:01:45

Poor show, HQ - don't delete the support thread before responding to people's concerns.

I can appreciate there were one or two comments which did need to be removed. But that was it. Not the whole thread.

ScaryNutellaFucker Wed 23-Oct-13 22:02:03

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/1890754-In-support-of-ANYFUCKER-part-2

AHEM

Thisfuckerisaeuphemism Wed 23-Oct-13 22:02:52

Will this be on Matthew Wrights show tomorrow?!

AnyFuckerForAScone Wed 23-Oct-13 22:03:07

Well my spirit is well and truly fucked off.

AF, TSC, Xenia, Scottish mummy.

<plays sad warbly Last Post>

MsIngaFewFUCKERS Wed 23-Oct-13 22:04:46

Bring back AnyFucker, we need her for Christmas. It won't be Christmas on MN without seeing AnyFuckerForamincepie sad

Cat98 Wed 23-Oct-13 22:40:49

Noooo! She is so helpful and stands up for people who really need it. And she doesn't take any crap. I hope she does come back.

NomDeClavier Wed 23-Oct-13 22:41:18

Asking her to time it down, sure. Making it crystal bloody clear that AF is, indeed, any fucker and not a representative of MNHQ, being it on. Banning her because....why exactly? I don't see what changed except maybe MNHQ's attitude! Or did AF cross some kind of invisible 'we have had precisely ten squillion reports concerning you now, so that last one has just made you go pfft! Nine squillion odd was fine but we set an arbitrary limit so byeeeeee' line?

I don't get it.

TSC and Xenia have both been banned too?

CrispyHedgehogFucker Wed 23-Oct-13 22:51:43

How about we go down and picket HQ until they reinstate her?

CatherineMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 23-Oct-13 22:53:27

Hi all, we've posted a response to this on this thread.

HoneyDragonFucker Wed 23-Oct-13 22:56:41

Conveniently you chose one near its end though.

AnyStainlessSteelBegoniaFucker Wed 23-Oct-13 22:59:24

Yes, and as I said there - only to discover it can't accept any more messages -- you've stated that AF was "known to you". The whole point is that she was a longterm poster who is invested in this community. You know of her BECAUSE of that. But you don't know of the unfriendly factions that have been coming into MN to have a pop at the ladieez, so you give them the benefit of the doubt and let their crap stand while you ban people like AnyFucker.

It is NOT working as an example of applying the rules for the good of the community.

NaturalBaby Wed 23-Oct-13 22:59:28

Xenia & Scottishmummy as well?!? My spelling and punctuation are what they are because of Xenia sad

WotNoAnyFucker Wed 23-Oct-13 23:00:43

Poor show hq.

How can you possibly justify someone for calling a spade a spade?

Normal I'd be the last person to play who's queen of mn type games but as (several) someone's already said AnyFucker is exactly the kind of straight talking feminist type who brought me here and kept me here.
Surely the good, helpful, insightful and if necessary brutal posts outweigh the calling a troll a troll posts quite significantly?

EdithWeston Wed 23-Oct-13 23:00:54

I'd noticed Xenia had gone (pity), but I hadn't realised she'd been banned.

JoannaBaxterIsARudeFucker Wed 23-Oct-13 23:02:27

Really disappointed. Very un-MN when we all know she is a straight talking gem. There's trolling left right and centre at the moment, threads that stay for ages, and you ban AF.

Bloody poor show. I would do a sadface in the Daily Fail if it wouldn't be so ironic.

mcmoonfucker Wed 23-Oct-13 23:04:17

I would also like to add from the previous thread that just because someone is reported a lot doesn't necessarily mean anything.

The whole culture of this site has been not to report posters for minor dismeanours and regulars and oldies VERY RARELY report posts, however there seems to have been an influx of new goady posters who report for the most crap stuff - generally when they have lost an argument to wimmin.

This is a very real consideration when taking these reports and being "backed into corners".

TrinityFucker Wed 23-Oct-13 23:27:10

Namechanged in support

<hopes I actually have managed to>

FrightRider Wed 23-Oct-13 23:30:35

and regulars and oldies VERY RARELY report posts,

really? you have access to MNHQ's reports folders to see this do you?

Message deleted by Mumsnet for breaking our Talk Guidelines. Replies may also be deleted.

FrightRider Wed 23-Oct-13 23:49:24

Message deleted by Mumsnet for breaking our Talk Guidelines. Replies may also be deleted.

CookieDoughKid Wed 23-Oct-13 23:52:52

WTAF?! Who would seriously report her? Please give me an example!!

I am p*ssed. A troll she is not. A vindictive attack?!!

Seriously - the people that report her are probably freakin hiding behind their own shit because AnyFucker has been so far consistently logical, consistently balanced with immense experience to back up her responses on mumsnet I have EVER read to date.

She cuts through the crap. She tells it exactly how it is and just because some people refuse to accept her opinion it doesn't mean she is being vindictive or necessarily wrong!!

WTAF.

NO.

ZingAnyFucker Wed 23-Oct-13 23:57:37

NC to show my support

noddyholder Thu 24-Oct-13 07:35:14

A week is a long time in showbiz

EdithWeston Thu 24-Oct-13 08:15:11

It is a pity that MNHQ has chosen to post their response only in "chat" where it will go pfft.

Thisfuckerisaeuphemism Thu 24-Oct-13 08:16:03

It's interesting that on one of the threads where this may have kicked off - (ow for dinner in relationships) the op says she feels too distressed to come back because of the nasty comments she received on there. (not anyfuckers obviously)

NLurkerwantstoseeAnyFuckerback Thu 24-Oct-13 08:28:05

I certainly report plenty.

mindingafuckinglongtime Thu 24-Oct-13 09:01:02

I couldn't not comment as I loved reading all anyfuckers's post, she gave a lot of useful advice, even if it wasn't relevant to me. A valued and long time MN member

LEMisafucker Thu 24-Oct-13 09:12:41

The last time I was suspended gor a week I was at school. ban because someone is harming the site. Please don't treat us like naughty school children

CaptChaos Thu 24-Oct-13 09:34:37

I hope that MNHQ is aware that AF along with other prominent feminist posters are mentioned by name on MRA websites, just so they know who to target in order to silence women.

Always nice to see men's silencing tactics still work, even on female dominated spaces hmm

InternetRandom Thu 24-Oct-13 09:37:24

Can someone post links to these mentions of MN posters on MRA websites? It would help for people here - and possibly MNHQ - to see them.

FrightRider Thu 24-Oct-13 09:38:39

AF was reported by regulars, not MRA trolls... will people please stop perpetuating the bullshit.

LEMisafucker Thu 24-Oct-13 09:47:11

I can't help but smirk when i see the phrase Mens Rights Activists - it reminds me of a sketch by The two ronnies - The worm that turned, or something, its very funny.

Can we not see these people for what they are, emasculinated idiots who for some insane reason feel threatened by members of the opposite sex and feel the need to put them down? Maybe some feminists are a bit like that too (not the emasculated bit, obviously).

Most people that i know, are really quite happy to rub along together, male or female and it just isn't an issue. Yes there are issues but not to the point I would be goading anyone on a talk forum, you kind of have to pity anyone who would do that. All i can say, is AF must scare the dicks off these idiots if they have launced a campaign against her.

I don't know what AF does in real life, i would like to think that she puts equal energies into helping women as she does on here because she is strong enough to make a real difference to women's lives. Not that what she does on here isn't real, but If she can make such an impact here, imagine what she would be like in government for example. Or even a local DV unit.

I don't always agree with her, i think she sometimes goes too far when women don't automatically LTB and I do take issue with this stance taken on the relationship board, not just by AF, by the majority and this is the reason why i don't tend to go there very mch these days and would hesitate about asking for relationship advice here now.

I think banning, or suspending her was wrong wrong wrong and taking this alongside other things that have come to light, other bannings and issues with threads etc, it is giving me reason to think whether mnet is the right place for me just now, but i get alot of support from the mental health boards, kept me sane! (sort of!)

LEMisafucker Thu 24-Oct-13 09:47:57

Frightrider - do you have access to reporting data that we don't then?

'I hope that MNHQ is aware that AF along with other prominent feminist posters are mentioned by name on MRA websites, just so they know who to target in order to silence women.'

Goodness Women, do we need a leader to tell us how to think and what to do?

Are we too weak to stand up for ourselves now that AF has gone?

Do we need an Alpha Female to protect us?

Come ON!!

OhChristYouFuckersHavent Thu 24-Oct-13 09:58:39

Serously?

put your pom poms away, ffs. hmm

hotfucker Thu 24-Oct-13 09:59:13

The poster that Justine said anyfucker was banned for peronally insulting certainly looks like a goadyfucker to me. So actually I think it's bullshit to claim it was regular posters who caused this. Even if they reported it if the goaders were dealt with it wouldn't have happened

hermioneweasley Thu 24-Oct-13 09:59:37

Adding My support for AF here. I evidently haven't been on the threads where she's been breaking guidelines as I don't recall her being "naughtier" than any others.

I am also horrified if Xenia and ScottishMummy have been lost.

I'm another who will leave if this is not resolved.

Something that was drummed into me for my judicial training is that "Justice must not just be done, it must be seen to be done". If AF has been banned for biting back at goaders, then MNHQ we are telling you that justice is not seen to be being done. Please listen. (and bring back Xenia as well, she always made me smile and made me think)

youretoastmildred Thu 24-Oct-13 10:01:06

I think a lot of what goes on, on the internet, against actively feminist (or sometimes even just identifiably female) posters is a bit beyond MNHQ. Even though certain parts of MN are key targets for it. I can't understand why that is, because on paper you would have thought Justine et al are the media-savvy sort of women who can read that sort of thing. But somehow they just don't; I get a dismissive sort of "I'm alright Jack" sense that they think that the sort of radical feminism that names this and squares up to it is sort of paranoid and rough and common and declasse. I have often seen successful women like this - the sort who have always been able to have personal meetings with high powered people to get what they want and smooth their own paths - be a bit "what's the problem?" and almost "well, if you will be aggressive, and not a team player, and negative..."

I think MNHQ needs to face up to the rampant online misogyny that is current and mainstream and targeted now, and stop trying to apply weak naive ideas of "equality" and "fairness". It is completely misreading the situation to think that a high profile online space of mainly women can protect itself as a pleasant and supportive place to be, by being simplistically "fair".

But then of course it is determinedly mainstream, for brand equity reasons, (£££) and feminism (which is what is needed here, as bloody well everywhere) is not mainstream. Sadly.

FrightRider Thu 24-Oct-13 10:03:09

No LEM, Justine told us it was regulars.

LEMisafucker Thu 24-Oct-13 10:08:26

Maybe we have some regular goady fuckers then

Thurlow Thu 24-Oct-13 10:09:15

I can't help but think there is a bigger debate behind this.

I am sad that AF has gone and would love to see her back, but as I've said before I don't think that any one poster can be above the rules. No matter how helpful, prolific and popular a poster is, if they repeatedly break HQ's rules and are asked to stop making personal attacks, then the eventual outcome is that they will be banned. (I have to say I didn't see the thread in question and have no idea what AF did to be banned).

If the rules are relaxed as posters are asking for, then they have to be relaxed for everyone and that means that goady fuckers, trolls and downright nasty characters won't be deleted as often and MN could become a lot less pleasant a place.

If the rules are stuck to, then it means that posters like AF get banned.

It's not a simple discussion for anyone involved. But I do personally think that it is not so simple as to let particular posters be exempt from the rules.

hotfucker Thu 24-Oct-13 10:11:09

Justine does say it wasn't trolls, then names a pretty obvious troll as the reason for the ban. So I don't really trust that statement at the moment

NomDeClavier Thu 24-Oct-13 10:11:15

We have plenty of regular goady fuckers. Can someone link to where Justine commented, please? I got lost with all the different threads.

FrightRider Thu 24-Oct-13 10:15:08
OhChristYouFuckersHavent Thu 24-Oct-13 10:15:20

FrightRider can you point to where Justine said it was regulars please?

because there has been so many posts about this I'm having trouble wading through it all, there's so much bullshit being bandied about.

NLurkerwantstoseeAnyFuckerback Thu 24-Oct-13 10:26:01

Good post youretoast. I agree with you.

youretoastmildred Thu 24-Oct-13 10:35:43

Thanks, NLurker.

I also think that it isn't helpful on either side to have discussions about how / whether the culture of the site has changed. You get this really unhelpful back and forth like this:

(some) MN posters: "the site is being moderated differently! It is all naff and fluffy wuffy!"
MNHQ: "the rules have not changed. We can show stats that support this too"
(some) MN posters "but - but - it feels different!"

This doesn't get us anywhere. Frankly I don't care whether the actual rules have changed, or the actual numbers of deletions or bannings for certain things have increased. Because what has changed is the profile of the site, and the internet culture it operates in. In a million years I could write an essay on (would be such fun to do that actually - I wonder if I could submit it as a thesis somewhere)

So: if MNHQ wants to preserve MN as a place where a certain sort of arsey educated woman feels comfortable and funny and creative and helpful, then it has to be more sophisticated in its operation and moderation. I agree that it can't be unmoderated. But it has to be moderated with extreme subtlety and nuance by people who know what they fuck they are doing, with very sophisticated political and gender-relations nous. BECAUSE we is LAYDEEZ and we is SEEN to be laydeez so they all want to fuck us up, innit.

OrmirianResurgam Thu 24-Oct-13 11:14:55

Ridiculous! Entirely the wrong target.

MNHQ - you are allowed to change your mind.

Waspie Thu 24-Oct-13 12:06:23

"I dare say anyfucker did/does make some personal attacks. She's a very active and visible member and the abuse/rape apologists, mras and handmaidens hate her and attack her regularly. So I'm sure she responds in kind. But, look at the proportion of PAs next to the proportion of incredibly sensible, insightful and helpful posts she does - there's no contest. She's too valuable to us, to mumsnet. She's been goaded and provoked by trolls and posters with a strongly anti feminist and anti woman agenda, and she gets banned. Wtf."

^^ This

How can a poster who supports so many vulnerable people and posts such good advice be banned? she should be given a bloody commendation as far as I'm concerned. Are all posters who believe women to be equal to men and not have to take abuse to be banned? WTAF has MN become. I'm seriously shocked and disgusted at MN. I thought this was a site that supported women but I'm having to rethink that opinion today angry.

AnyDozerFucker Thu 24-Oct-13 16:02:06

I really hope you're wrong you'retoastmildred sad

AnyDozerFucker Thu 24-Oct-13 16:03:55

MNHQ, you cannot claim this is a pro-women site if you ban posters for calling out misogynist trolls; and/or don't do everything possible to tackle them.

Butwilliseeyouagain Thu 24-Oct-13 18:51:08

Wow.

All the interesting characters banned.

SM and Xenia drove me insane at times but that made for robust debate.I thought AF was a true asset to this site. Tough shit if people think that's grovelly, I thought she was awesome.

Anyhoo, have been here in various guises since 2008 but think MN and I have outgrown eachother (or something) so de-regging now.

something2say Thu 24-Oct-13 19:01:19

Personally I am glad. I found her abrasive and rude to strangers. Then I read that she put up with multiple cheating s from an ex, yet she wades in immediately with strangers, telling them to get rid of their husband. I find this shir sighted and rude. People take their own time ending their relationships. I used to hate the way she would be so curt to hurting strangers. Especially when she herself was one at one stage! It's like, she took her time to learn her lesson but now wants to project that onto other people. I didn't find that wise.

Unsure what else may have gone on of course; trying to play the guitar more than read mumsnet at the moment!!!!

PedlarsSpanner Thu 24-Oct-13 19:03:25

that is a really bitchy post somethingtosay shock

PortoFiendo Thu 24-Oct-13 19:04:36

Right, so I have checked with AF and the ban was always a temporary, modify your posting behaviour or else, sort of thing. So I have unknowingly unleashed a shitstorm. That is MY fault. I could not possibly have foreseen the strength of feeling out there. Certainly not 17 or more threads on the subject. blush I have apologised to AF.

But the reason for my crossness remains. This has happened because the goady fuckers get to use the "guidelines" to their own advantage. Post any old shit that doesn't break the rules, made up stories, goady posts, etc then MNHQ will let that stand. Anyone who dares to answer back or call stuff into question is bad and runs the risk of deletion/banning.

The trolls and internet mischief makers are having a laugh with MN. And AF will be back and able to read the lovely supportive posts!

OhAntiChristFENTON Thu 24-Oct-13 19:06:45

something2say You really don't know what you're talking about.

Really.

ZingMayor Thu 24-Oct-13 19:07:11

something

instead of getting into an argument with you I'll say this : I reported you post.

ZingMayor Thu 24-Oct-13 19:07:50

*your post

[blinded by righteous anger]

LtAllHallowsEve Thu 24-Oct-13 19:09:42

Something2say. AF is happily married, so I don't know where you get your lies information from.

LentilAsAnyFuckerThing Thu 24-Oct-13 19:16:12

Bring back the AnyFucker!

As a gesture of goodwill, will MN have an AnyFucker namechange competition? I got no ideas for a hallowe'en namechange, but this, I have a good one! smile

Thisfuckerisaeuphemism Thu 24-Oct-13 19:36:15

Oh Porto fiendo!

That is a little bit funny mistake smile

Thisfuckerisaeuphemism Thu 24-Oct-13 19:36:28

Oh Porto fiendo!

That is a little bit funny mistake smile

Thisfuckerisaeuphemism Thu 24-Oct-13 19:37:24

Mistakes are easily made!

PortoFiendo Thu 24-Oct-13 19:42:34

More of a misunderstanding than a mistake. It has certainly sorted the wheat from the chaff in many cases though.

Doinmummy Thu 24-Oct-13 19:46:44

I've read the other threads and I reckon that the chat MNHQ are going to have with AF will result in her being reinstated.

something2say Thu 24-Oct-13 19:49:45

pedlars - i dont think it is bitchy, I think it is up front and clear. And I used to say to her face as well when I felt she was being rude...

antichrist fenton....there was a thread about when you knew the moment had come to get out of a bad relationship. Anyfucker posted saying when her ex cheated yet again, she finally upped and left. I was so taken aback that she should have been cheated on often and not left, when she is so vociferous towards other women in the same boat.

Anyway i'll leave you all to it, I have some work to do.....

But as I had a shower i did think to amend. I am not happy to hear of someone's misfortune. So I take that part back.

Cheers all!

OhAntiChristFENTON Thu 24-Oct-13 19:55:57

You still must know nothing about her and what she does for people to hold the views you are expressing here.

Or perhaps you just don't 'get' her.

something2say Thu 24-Oct-13 20:07:40

Perhaps so. I would read sharp terse one liners, which I found overly quick. Asking a distressed woman when she;'s going to kick him out when she's only just found the emails etc. Myself, I work with people in distress and I know how long it takes for decisions like that to be made. Shoch for a start is a huge factor. And that takes listening to. As a woman goes over and over it. Its not for someone else to wade in with size 10s and start demanding to know when the person is going to do something about it. I know AF is popular in here, mostly for being right, but I value kindness above being right. I have also seen her be kind to be fair, but in general I would say she is too harsh upon strangers in distress, and this is bornbe of her own personal inability to handle yet another person going round in their own circles. I believe people have the right go to round their own circles, and it is not for me to tell them what to do, and then emotionally and publically reject them for not doing what I think they should do....

FamiliesShareGerms Thu 24-Oct-13 20:30:38

I'm outraged that Xenia's particular brand of capitalist feminism and scottishmummy's gnomic posts (with or without creepy wee brackets) have been banned. Why? WHY??

Thurlow Thu 24-Oct-13 20:34:58

Fenton, I like you and I like AF both a lot, but it is allowed for some posters to not like AF. It's not always a matter of 'getting' or not getting them.

ChampagneTastes Thu 24-Oct-13 20:38:45

I'm not always a massive fan of Any Fuckers tone in some posts but I think she's a valuable poster who has given some excellent advice. If mumsnet exists for women to support women (which is what I always assumed), they should find a way to bring her back.

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