Can I see 'views' as well as 'replies'

(41 Posts)
KeepOnKeepingOn1 Thu 03-Oct-13 11:46:06

Just this.

smile

TIA

Tee2072 Thu 03-Oct-13 12:23:27

Explain further.

KeepOnKeepingOn1 Thu 03-Oct-13 12:32:17

I would like to be able to see how many a times a message has been viewed rather than just the number of replies, if possible smile

Tee2072 Thu 03-Oct-13 12:44:38

Nope. Not available on MN. Sorry.

Why?

It doesn't matter how many people look at a thread, does it? What difference does it make?

Fenton Bosnia-Herzegovina Thu 03-Oct-13 12:53:01

No, I think it's dreadful.

Imagine starting a thread and seeing that 300 people had viewed it but only 2 bothered to post.

KeepOnKeepingOn1 Thu 03-Oct-13 13:06:04

Academic interest - forums that I research (nb I do not research MN) use different off-the-shelf forum formats that routinely include such information.

The ratio of view:reply appears to vary in line with the emergence of relational products (eg trust) - which is hardly surprising - but may provide evidence/critique of the effectivity of the concept of norm circles.

I idly wondered what the ratio was in MN. I don't like the term 'lurkers'.

MooncupGoddess Thu 03-Oct-13 13:08:41

Gosh, I am strangely fascinated. How do you measure trust, OP? And what is a norm circle?

<starts taking notes>

KeepOnKeepingOn1 Thu 03-Oct-13 13:10:41

That ratio may be 'the norm' though Fenton.

Even the most desperate posts on which the data is displayed have at least 20 (but potentially much higher) views for each reply.

Some sites have 0 replies despite thousands of views.

Tee2072 Thu 03-Oct-13 13:12:31

I used to use a site that showed views.

I posted a thread needing some serious support and I got 1,000ish views and not one reply.

I left that forum the same day.

Fenton Bosnia-Herzegovina Thu 03-Oct-13 13:13:40

Netmums has that, or at least did the last time I looked over there. I wonder if I'm right in thinking you get more 'didn't want to post and run' type responses because of it, or perhaps it puts people off clicking on a thread if they don't immediately see from the title that it's going to me something of interest to them, or a subject they can offer advice on.

Fenton Bosnia-Herzegovina Thu 03-Oct-13 13:16:34

x-posted - that's why I don't like it Tee, that must have felt horrible.

KeepOn - yes it could well be the norm but at least without the view count it's not obvious to the OP they are being gawped at but no-one can be bothered to help/comment.

Tee2072 Thu 03-Oct-13 13:19:23

It really did, Fenton.

It was a forum specifically for pregnant woman with diabetes and I can't remember the question but it was totally ignored. Well, read, but not responded too. Guess it wasn't interesting enough for them.

KeepOnKeepingOn1 Thu 03-Oct-13 13:19:39

Have you never wondered how many people read your messages? Do you imagine that the majority of people that read the message then reply?

Tee - sorry you had such a bad experience sad. Its not just what you post, but where you post it iykim

OddSockMonster Thu 03-Oct-13 13:20:12

I can't say I'd like that.

If no-one posts on a thread of mine on here (and I've had my fair share of never-answered threads) I'd just think 'oh well those who might have been interested must have missed it'.

If I knew loads of people saw it but didn't want to post, I'd feel really quite shit, especially if I was feeling at all insecure about.

KeepOnKeepingOn1 Thu 03-Oct-13 13:21:13

Moon - you can't be that bored smile

Try google scholar if you are.

rockybalBOOOOa Thu 03-Oct-13 13:23:07

We have this function on another forum I use regularly. Every now and then someone gets the hump because loads of people have viewed their thread and hardly anyone has replied. Lack of reply is usually because the post needs some thinking about to respond to so the more trivial ones get lots of replies because it's quick and easy to do. View counter is not a good thing IMO.

SwedishEdith Thu 03-Oct-13 13:23:27

No, I think it's a terrible idea on here because of teh nature of this site. People can post when they are very emotionally vulnerable. I've seen it on technical sites where posters are asking non-personal questions but on here it could be really damaging for some people

MooncupGoddess Thu 03-Oct-13 13:24:40

I might actually do that, KeepOn! Need something to read over my sandwich.

I can't stand 'I have nothing to say as I've never been in this situation but didn't want to read and run' head-tilty posts. Seriously, what a waste of pixels.

Tee2072 Thu 03-Oct-13 13:29:45

Are we running out of pixels that we need to conserve them?

KeepOnKeepingOn1 Thu 03-Oct-13 13:33:31

Very interesting perspectives.

There are other forums that are more formally organised into sections but MN is relatively unstructured in comparison. There seems to be no-where for the newbie to go. It also appears that regular long-term members are more likely to reply to posts (even if it is only to say they have nothing to say) if they feel they 'know' and have a reciprocal relationship of trust, with them.

BIWIZ Thu 03-Oct-13 13:36:46

Not sure what you mean saying there isn't anywhere for a newbie to go. They can go anywhere! Or they can start a thread saying they are a newbie. Generally though people seem to just get stuck in - and I can't see the problem with that.

KeepOnKeepingOn1 Thu 03-Oct-13 13:39:40

Therefore, desperate first posts from a 'stranger' are more likely to be read but not responded to (in the absence of an 'introduce yourself' board that at the very least a moderator will respond to).

The ratio of views:replies may also depend on the originator of the message (at least I can work this out) but I definitely do not want to know when it comes to my own posts!

BuffytheFeministFeminist Thu 03-Oct-13 13:41:52

Are you stealth researching us, Keepon? shock

MooncupGoddess Thu 03-Oct-13 13:44:59

I've always thought that MN is an amazing resource for sociologists!

I haven't seen many forums with an 'introduce yourself' topic though a lot of the more technical ones have a section for newcomers with basic questions.

KeepOnKeepingOn1 Thu 03-Oct-13 13:47:27

BIWIZ - my research has specifically focussed upon those who have come to forums as a result of rl health conditions and felt incredibly vulnerable and in need of help and support at the time. The newbie threads were a safe introduction when they didn't feel able to just get stuck in. Not being active in the forum (ie posting) does not mean being passive in rl. Plans are formed and actions are taken as a result of reading posts - sometimes more so than by a perpetual poster who goes around in circles.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

KeepOnKeepingOn1 Thu 03-Oct-13 13:51:26

Buffy - rest assured I am not stealth researching you. I am a real mum! For my actual research I had to request specific consent from all respondents, the site hosts, my university etc and follow the usual ethical regulations and guidelines.

BuffytheFeministFeminist Thu 03-Oct-13 13:53:11

Yes. You could still make an ethical case for covert observation, if you so chose. I don't mind, just responding to your post with the thoughts that occurred to me. smile

KeepOnKeepingOn1 Thu 03-Oct-13 13:58:26

I consider that the comparatively simplistic format of MN is significant to the nature of the users engagement - it is more dynamic and 'of the moment'. Threads on active boards are pushed off the first page after a day rather than being visible for weeks or months.

nannynick Thu 03-Oct-13 14:01:31

MN is not off-the-shelf software to my knowledge but is developed inhouse and has evolved through the years.

Unlike off-the-shelf systems a users post count is not displayed so I feel that makes it easier for a newbie to just leap into a conversation and if they say something useful rather than spam they may be instantly accepted as someone with something to contribute on that subject.

Post views are not helpful in my view, while handy for statistics, advertisers, for most users I don't feel it helps and it can be depressing to see a viewcount yet get no replies.

I hate introduce yourself boards, I like to keep people guessing.

KeepOnKeepingOn1 Thu 03-Oct-13 14:02:16

Maybe part of the appeal is that we can all pretend to be having a chat in a cosy cafebar whilst actually our words are being broadcast to hundreds!

RowanMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 03-Oct-13 14:03:58

Hello

Your research sounds fascinating, KeepOnKeepingOn1

The responses on this thread give a flavour of our reasons for not providing a views counter; it's just not a very MN-y approach, we think.

But as ever we really appreciate the feedback - thank you.

SwedishEdith Thu 03-Oct-13 14:05:40

Threads are pushed off within minutes. The beauty of mn is that it's difficult to spot newbies unless they announce it - the namechanging facility means can be all newbies whenever we want.

DameFellatioNelson Thu 03-Oct-13 14:09:28

I think it would be a bad idea, althoug I understand why we might wish for it at times. It will lead to all sorts of paranoia about being ignored by supposed royalty.

KeepOnKeepingOn1 Thu 03-Oct-13 14:11:59

Rowan - are you spying on us grin

I can well understand your reasons for not providing a view-counter. On a personal level I would hate it, but on an abstract level, I would like to be able to easily collect data that may be useful to demonstrate difference between forums initiated by official institutions and charities and those initiated by users with shared practical concerns.

You can always PM me <cheeky grin>

KeepOnKeepingOn1 Thu 03-Oct-13 14:18:36

The namechanging facility is very interesting. I suppose it is different on different boards.

ime posters appears to be hiding their identity from people in rl life rather from each other.

Tee2072 Thu 03-Oct-13 14:32:54

You posted in Site Stuff. Of course HQ responded!

BuffytheFeministFeminist Thu 03-Oct-13 14:49:50

The name change facility gives one a couple of options in the event of behaving like a twat. Own one's twattishness and keep the name, or renounce the twat and be reinvented.

NotAnotherPackedLunch Thu 03-Oct-13 14:50:28

In general I also think that a view counter would be a bad idea, but I would really love to know just how many have viewed the current EE promotion thread that has backfired so spectacularly. grin

Tee2072 Thu 03-Oct-13 14:58:01

I just read the thread NAPL. Oh my! Orange was already crap good to know they are still crap. grin

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