To think that the mumsnet "advanced" search is shit?

(72 Posts)
Illgetmycoat Wed 03-Jul-13 22:53:04

You select a subject and then a completely random list of posts come up. Some dating back to 1542. What the heck?

HotCrossPun Wed 03-Jul-13 22:53:50

Why don't you narrow down the time frame?

Illgetmycoat Wed 03-Jul-13 22:54:37

Why don't they put the most recent posts first?

trixymalixy Wed 03-Jul-13 22:55:42

I've never had a problem with it, you need to narrow down your search criteria.

piprabbit Wed 03-Jul-13 22:57:07

It would be nice if the results could be sorted in different ways, including date.

Illgetmycoat Wed 03-Jul-13 22:59:21

You shouldn't have to! It would only take a click of the button from the web people to sort it out. Chronological order please, mumsnet techies! Apple would have sunk to nothing with this lassez faire approach.

TheDetective Wed 03-Jul-13 23:00:00

YANBU. I hate it.

I want to read all my own posts.

In date order.

I want to copy and paste to make a timeline diary for my pregnancy, but more importantly, post birth... I've posted most days about my baby's life, and I want to get all those posts together for nostalgic reasons, but also for medical reasons!

It's fucking impossible.

It won't let you see more than 500 posts anyway.

CaptainUndercrackers Wed 03-Jul-13 23:01:09

Yeah, it's the sheer number of ante-natal threads which gets me down, you have to spend half an hour scrolling past endless lists of due dates (have nothing against these threads by the way, except when they clog up my search!).

lougle Wed 03-Jul-13 23:08:40

It's alphabetical order by topic, followed by alphabetical order within topic.

Mumsnet is shit in general lately.

<sulks asI have even started tidying because there's nothing going on here>

Illgetmycoat Wed 03-Jul-13 23:14:06

That would be great if we could all get together and organise ourselves alphabetically(!) confused

I want to know what the latest opinion on mumsnet is, not the alphabetical order of opinions.

LuisSuarezTeeth Wed 03-Jul-13 23:24:37

A little question.

Are you paying for mumsnet?

lougle Wed 03-Jul-13 23:32:34

"I want to know what the latest opinion on mumsnet is, not the alphabetical order of opinions."

There's a handy 'from' 'to' section, where you can specify a date range.

So, if you want to know what the general opinion is of, say, fake tan this month, put 'From' 01/07/13 and 'To' 03/07/13.

Not hard.

If you'd really like it to be exactly as you want, why don't you pop off, create and pay for a forum, then convince thousands of people to use it?

KobayashiMaru Wed 03-Jul-13 23:34:08

make your own fecking forum. Or just learn to use the search properly. Or sod off to site stuff and have a whine there.
Take your pick.

aldiwhore Wed 03-Jul-13 23:37:28

With respect. If I ever felt the need to do an advanced search OTHER than to find a specific thread I'd followed... I'd probably accept my DH's argument that I spend too much time on here.

It's good enough I think.

If you want to know the 'latest opinion' on Mumsnet, you're a shite journalist or are lacking in your own thought, with respect (yes I mean to be blunt, but I don't wish to be rude).

Are you the person that hates everyone at cash machines because well, they're just SELFISH?

Hmm.

Mumsnet is free. It will not do all the hard work for you, hey... try a library, you'll lose even more time in there.

YABU. Google might be your friend.

lougle Wed 03-Jul-13 23:42:28

I use advanced search a lot. If I want to know something, I like to see lots of views quickly. Rather than start a thread, I search for past threads which discuss the topic.

Illgetmycoat Thu 04-Jul-13 08:07:36

I know about the date range option hmm. I build websites FFS.

The point I am making is that even within the date range, the posts are not chronologically ordered, which makes it hard to find stuff.

I know mumsnet is free. So were Bebo and Myspace. Constructive criticism is GOOD for sites like this.

I love mumsnet, but it doesn't mean it's perfect.

moustachio Thu 04-Jul-13 08:41:00

Yanbu.

A poster started a thread in chat saying she bougt a dress, but had to take it back as it was so expensive. Said dress is now in the sale!! I looked for a week trying to find the thread and tell her!!

lougle Thu 04-Jul-13 09:35:27

Constructive criticism isn't starting a thread in AIBU saying 'the mumsnet advanced search is shit'.

Constructive criticism is starting a thread in Site Stuff asking for a modification of the Advanced Search function, or better still, emailing MNHQ at contactus@mumsnet.com.

There was nothing constructive about your criticism. It was just criticism.

Fakebook Thu 04-Jul-13 09:39:22

I only use advanced search to stalk a posters history if their thread seems a bit weird. It always works for me.

Illgetmycoat Thu 04-Jul-13 09:44:03

I could have put the thread there Lougle and it would have had a lonely life. I wanted to see if other mumsnetters agreed. That's what AIBU is for.

The title is just a starter to debate. If you actually read my posts, you'll see my point about chronology IS constructive.

YoniBottsBumgina Thu 04-Jul-13 09:48:04

A chronological order would be really helpful. I think I read that it's on the list.

However you should have put this in Site Stuff if you want MNHQ to take it seriously.

I would also like an exact quotation search. Currently it has something built in which means, for example, searching for "surf" will also bring up "surfed" "surfs" and "surfing". Sometimes that's helpful, other times it really isn't - I can't remember an example now but I've searched for something once where the slightly different version of a word was a film title or something and it brought up loads of irrelevant results without a way to filter them.

YoniBottsBumgina Thu 04-Jul-13 09:49:14

I've always had replies to my threads in Site Stuff. And you can gain the opinion of other posters in there too. (Just try asking for a "like" button in there and watch everyone explode in rage grin)

ForkInTheForeheid Thu 04-Jul-13 09:50:41

Just a small point - mumsnet is free in that we don't pay cash for it - but there are a lot of ads/promotions - you are paying by being advertised to, it is not a charity!

nannynick Thu 04-Jul-13 10:07:01

YABU its great unless its broken.

Have to say the I had not noticed the order of the results. Sort by date could be useful at times but I expect it depends what you are looking for.

lougle Thu 04-Jul-13 10:13:23

"you are paying by being advertised to, it is not a charity!"

No you're not confused Advertisers are paying to advertise. You just accept that you see adverts if you want free access. Just like we pay for BBC services through the licence, but if you want access to ITV et al., you accept that you will see adverts.

If you're unhappy with the search function, use google advanced search to search mumsnet.

yamsareyammy Thu 04-Jul-13 10:16:16

Yes, mumsnet is free is a silly thing to say.
It may weel be free to use, but they make £2 mill quid off us annually.

So if many posters think the ops point is valid, then it is valid.

lougle Thu 04-Jul-13 10:26:49

How much other people may pay MNHQ to advertise, etc., and the total that they turn over as a result of other revenue streams is irrelevant. MN is free to use. Free. You can't claim that we 'pay' in any sense. We don't.

Valid points are invalidated by the wrong approach to the issue. If anyone has a serious issue with the search function, they can raise it with MNHQ properly, or vote with their feet. Simple.

Illgetmycoat Thu 04-Jul-13 10:37:04

If you look through aibu lougle, you'll see that the subject matter ranges from relationships to education to television to breastfeeding, all of which have their own section. By your logic, none of those should be there. So what subjects are OK to put in aibu?

AIBU is used to canvas opinion and that is what I am doing. If mumsnet followed your 'like it or get lost' approach to their users, it wouldn't be as good as it is.

lougle Thu 04-Jul-13 10:39:18

I'm sharing my opinion, which you asked for by starting the thread.

You asked if you were being unreasonable. I think you are. I think it was rude to phrase it as you did.

So there you go.

Illgetmycoat Thu 04-Jul-13 10:41:38

You have every right to your opinion and I have every right to disagree with it. We'll agree to disagree.

greenhill Thu 04-Jul-13 10:57:45

Why not report your own post and ask for the thread to be put into "site stuff" which is the correct category for complaints/ requests for MNHQ. If they think you have a valid reason for complaint, they will add it to the long list of tech stuff to be done....

Otherwise YABU to merely complain, and not in the right category either, and are a whinger smile

LilacPeony Thu 04-Jul-13 11:01:37

Agreed. Come on Mumsnet, sort it out!

Illgetmycoat Thu 04-Jul-13 11:02:39

I can only repeat the point I made to lougle:

If you look through aibu, you'll see that the subject matter ranges from relationships to education to television to breastfeeding, all of which have their own section. So what subjects are OK to put in aibu? By your logic, none.

I didn't know MN had self-appointed filing clerks.

greenhill Thu 04-Jul-13 11:07:16

My point is that MNHQ do not pre-moderate the boards, either you or somebody else reports a post if it is against talk guidelines, or if, like yours, you want an answer from MNHQ, you have to put it in the correct category, otherwise they will not see it.

Site stuff is the right category if you want something done about advanced search.

AIBU is a yes or no board, canvassing opinion.

Illgetmycoat Thu 04-Jul-13 11:10:00

Greenhill I don't want a yes or no answer from mumsnet. I could be wrong, I could be right - I want to know what other mumsnetters think. I AM canvasing opinion. That's what aibu is for.

greenhill Thu 04-Jul-13 11:13:02

Ok, I thought you felt strongly enough to want something done about it. But you want group consensus. Fair enough. smile

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Jul-13 11:14:49

Morning. We're going to move this thread to Site Stuff now, as that's the best place for threads discussing this sort of thing.

You're all still free to post up your opinions, of course.

Site Stuff isn't restricted to threads asking for tech help etc; it's a topic where everyone is welcome to pile in with their thoughts about Mumsnet and how it works.

ShowOfHands Thu 04-Jul-13 11:19:34

It's perfectly possible to canvass opinion within the correct topic. In fact, it's better to. On AIBU, you just get a bunfight.

Site stuff is well used and the correct place for this thread.

And just because other people also have a bung it in AIBU mentality, it isn't an excuse for doing the same thing. I've said it before but you are not above using the board in a tidy fashion. Say ooh I don't know, I want to search for existing suggestions on how to improve MN. I would do this using advanced search and I would look specifically in site stuff. This would work if people would only use MN properly. grin

I like advanced search. All you're asking for is a slight modification to be able to see results in a chronological order. You're asking the wrong people though.

Illgetmycoat Thu 04-Jul-13 11:19:47

Blimey - that's a bit harsh.

ShowOfHands Thu 04-Jul-13 11:20:56

Helen! Oi Helen!

Can I ask you a question.

You're my favourite after all...

Illgetmycoat Thu 04-Jul-13 11:32:34

Right - so I'm trying to find out what other mumsnetters think of the advanced search and my thread is moved to the back end of nowhere and then hijacked.

Helen - if you look through aibu, you'll see that the subject matter ranges from relationships to education to television to breastfeeding, all of which have their own section. Are you going to move those too?

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Jul-13 11:39:41

Illgetmycoat

Right - so I'm trying to find out what other mumsnetters think of the advanced search and my thread is moved to the back end of nowhere and then hijacked.

Helen - if you look through aibu, you'll see that the subject matter ranges from relationships to education to television to breastfeeding, all of which have their own section. Are you going to move those too?

It's not the back end of nowhere, Illgetmycoat. Site stuff a pretty busy topic.

And yes, we would - and do - move an AIBU thread into a more appropriate topic, if it's not really an AIBU: eg "AIBU to need some advice on a good pushchair please"

To be fair, your OP is all about how 'shit' you find our Advanced Search. You're not asking folk if that's unreasonable of you; you're wanting to know if other folks also find Advanced Search 'shit' or not - and, presumably, if they do, you'd then like us to look at 'de-shitting' it?

In which case, Site Stuff is the best topic for this sort of conversation.

Illgetmycoat Thu 04-Jul-13 11:54:15

I'm sorry if you have taken offence at the word 'shit' in the title. It is really very mild compared to the level of swearing you often see on Mumsnet.

If you read my posts, you'll see that I love mumsnet and all I was putting up for discussion is that MN order the advanced search chronologically within topics. I don't think that's so very wrong.

I wanted to know if other mumsnetters felt the same way. I might be wrong or I might be right. I WAS canvasing opinion.

It feels a bit, I don't know, Stalinist, to have moved the thread like this. We'll wait and see if anyone comes along to comment.

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Jul-13 12:01:21

Illgetmycoat

I'm sorry if you have taken offence at the word 'shit' in the title. It is really very mild compared to the level of swearing you often see on Mumsnet.

If you read my posts, you'll see that I love mumsnet and all I was putting up for discussion is that MN order the advanced search chronologically within topics. I don't think that's so very wrong.

I wanted to know if other mumsnetters felt the same way. I might be wrong or I might be right. I WAS canvasing opinion.

It feels a bit, I don't know, Stalinist, to have moved the thread like this. We'll wait and see if anyone comes along to comment.

grin at Stalinist. We've never been called that before!

And nope, there's nothing wrong with putting this up for discussion - of course not. We really appreciate feedback - of all sorts - and we'd totally be up for sorting out Advanced Search so that it works better for folks.

But obviously we can't sort it if we don't know about it. And the only topic we actively monitor is Site Stuff.

Also, we'd much rather that folks focus on discussing their view of Advanced Search and how it could be improved than on telling you YANBU or YABU - and we hope you would, too.

(And no offence taking at 'shit'. Really.)

Illgetmycoat Thu 04-Jul-13 12:05:26

OK taken on board. Thank you Helen.

LilacPeony Thu 04-Jul-13 12:05:52

Dear Mumsnet, Please can you de-shit Advanced Search. Thank you. grin

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Jul-13 12:08:35

Illgetmycoat

OK taken on board. Thank you Helen.

Our pleasure.

So, would a "show me results alphabetically" or "show me results chronologically" tickbox be an improvement?

Mintyy Thu 04-Jul-13 12:14:29

Op, if you don't want Mumsnet to improve advanced search in the ways you have suggested then you really are just out for a bitch-fest. What is the bloody point of that?

You also seem to have difficulty accepting that some people think yabu.

Try having a word with yourself.

nenevomito Thu 04-Jul-13 12:14:45

Advanced Search isn't rocket science.

Set a date range. Choose a topic. Choose a key-word.

An option to show chronologically would be a nice addition, but it doesn't take that much effort to get it working now.

LaQueef Thu 04-Jul-13 12:48:10

I only use adv search to stalk people and it works just fine and dandy for me.

DiaryOfAWimpyMum Thu 04-Jul-13 12:57:51

Works fine for me

lougle Thu 04-Jul-13 12:59:06

I think 'order by date' or 'order A-Z' would be very helpful, Helen.

While I've got you here, and we're in Site Stuff wink, could I remind you about my request to give the Local topics a _ before them, so that they move down the list of topics? Searching on the mobile is very cumbersome because to get to, say, 'Special Needs:Children' you have to scroll past at least 40 'Local' topics.

Thank you smile

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Jul-13 13:01:30

lougle

I think 'order by date' or 'order A-Z' would be very helpful, Helen.

While I've got you here, and we're in Site Stuff wink, could I remind you about my request to give the Local topics a _ before them, so that they move down the list of topics? Searching on the mobile is very cumbersome because to get to, say, 'Special Needs:Children' you have to scroll past at least 40 'Local' topics.

Thank you smile

Yep, that is very annoying (the scrolling past Local), isn't it?

I think we've already flagged that as an issue - but I will check.

LilacPeony Thu 04-Jul-13 13:01:33

Chronologically please Helen.

lougle Thu 04-Jul-13 13:05:25

I think you have, Helen. Perhaps we can make some bunting to catch tech's eye?

YoniBottsBumgina Thu 04-Jul-13 13:07:11

Ordering by date would be great - I think they're already arranged alphabetically aren't they? By category and then thread title. Hence the totally random date order.

YoniBottsBumgina Thu 04-Jul-13 13:08:44

I think the last time this came up it was suggested to have the default setting being most recent results appearing first, both so that outdated advice (say, weaning guidelines from 2002 or car seat advice before the law changed in 2004) is less likely to come up, and also it would help prevent "zombie" threads where a new poster searches for their issue and then decides to add to the discussion not realising the thread is several years old.

TunipTheVegedude Thu 04-Jul-13 13:19:47

Helen, if you could arrange for posts dating back to 1542 to actually appear in search, as the OP says, it would be very much appreciated.

Marvellous resource for the social historian, they would be.

TunipTheVegedude Thu 04-Jul-13 13:20:42

Though 10 years earlier than that would be even better, because I'd love to see what AIBU thought of Anne Boleyn.

Whipple Thu 04-Jul-13 13:28:13

I agree with YoniBottsBumgina and think this is a bigger problem than the chronological order.

You really do need to be able to specific searches using " ".

If you try and search for two words eg bunk beds then everything with them two words comes up.

So you could have dh bunked up in my bed with my the neighbour coming up in the search. Which is not at all relevant to the original search.

It gets even dafter when you search three words eg ikea bunk beds.

Being able to search "ikea bunk beds" would be a fantastic improvement.

Maryz Thu 04-Jul-13 13:31:36

I like advance search.

It is vair useful for troll-hunting wink, stalking and checking what my opinions were in 1542.

AIBU to suggest that people who think mumsnet are shit either make friendly constructive suggestions in the correct place or go and find a site they like better?

BIWI Thu 04-Jul-13 13:32:59

Or maybe post in Shite Stuff? grin

<goes back to being on holiday>

piprabbit Thu 04-Jul-13 13:54:00

As well as being able to sort by date and alphabetically, it might also be nice to be able to sort by the busiest threads so I could quickly dive into the threads with the most posts to find what I as looking for.

Illgetmycoat Thu 04-Jul-13 14:32:04

Just saw your reply Helen - Personally I'd find it useful for the taxonomy to be category and then the posts arranged chronologically within that, but that might just be me. Yoni and Whipple raise good points too.

yamsareyammy Thu 04-Jul-13 17:59:42

2 points from me.

I agree that the advanced search is cumbersome
Well it is to me, as when I use it, not that often, I cannot often remember a key word. So a whole heap of stuff comes up, and as others say, not in any sort of date order.
Not sure if it is a complicated job to do?

Which leads me to my second point.

Tech

How many are there?

Because it seems he has been busy since the year dot.
Perhaps he ought to be aided and abetted by some more techies? Even just part time ones?

Looking in topics always reminds me, rather poignantly, of looking round my own house sometimes.
-it is like looking in rooms or cupboards that really ought to have been tidied up by now.
<too close to home emotion!>

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Jul-13 20:26:44

yamsareyammy

Tech

How many are there?

Because it seems he has been busy since the year dot.
Perhaps he ought to be aided and abetted by some more techies? Even just part time ones?

Looking in topics always reminds me, rather poignantly, of looking round my own house sometimes.
-it is like looking in rooms or cupboards that really ought to have been tidied up by now.
<too close to home emotion!>

You're right that Tech is always busy.

We have a few of them, actually - and they work damn hard.

But Mumsnet is a complicated site because it was/is custom-built (unlike many discussion forums that use dedicated forum software) and it needs constant oiling/stroking/coaxing. It's a bit like the Forth Bridge, basically: a never-ending job just keeping it half decent.

Our Tech team rightly concentrate on fixing the stuff that's broken - as a priority. Which means enhancements (like this stuff for Advanced Search would be) come a bit lower down the list.

Am sure we'll get there, though. One day. smile

yamsareyammy Thu 04-Jul-13 20:42:34

Thanks for the reply HelenMumsnet smile

Have a nice evening to you and all the hard working Tech team.

BoulevardOfBrokenSleep Thu 04-Jul-13 20:46:44

Like Yoni, I would also like to be able to search for eg chair on runners, without being inundated with 237597 posts on running. Could we have a * wildcard thingummybob or something? I think we could handle that. Maybe.

nenevomito Thu 04-Jul-13 21:23:42

Ooooooh Bespoke.

We have a wizened old man who deals with our bespoke solutions. He's like some Gandalf-esque mystery who sits in the corner stroking the application architecture and laughing in our innocent faces when we ask about upgrades.

I go to him and breath into his ear.... out of the boooooox solutions. Hosted cloud soluuuuuutions.

He looks at me with evil eyes, his finger hovering over the delete button, but one day I will triumph!

...Of course you can't do that with MN talk as you only have to change the font and a million mumsnetters find themselves repeatedly banging their heads on their keyboards in shock and frustration.

Tru fact.

TheDoctrineOfAllan Sat 06-Jul-13 06:39:50

Yes please to chronologically.

And it would be ace if it was easier to select topics without all the scrolling. Could you have a type in box as an alternative (so start typing Sl.. And the list goes to Sleep)

Quackster Mon 08-Jul-13 23:49:49

ORDER BY date ASC

DESC for the lulz...

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