Calling Trills and other thread pedants, aibu to think that even mnhq don't care about topics [sob]

(117 Posts)
Maryz Fri 15-Feb-13 00:01:56

I have noticed today that there are two threads about Oscar Pistorius.

On in the right place (In The News) and one in the place-that-everyone-sticks-everything-because-they-are-too-lazy-to-find-the-Right-Place, otherwise known as "_Chat".

One was linked to in Discussion of the Day.

Guess which one [humpf]

I mean, if even MNHQ can't be arsed to use the correct topics, what's the point in having them. Why not just have AIBU, Important Chat, and Talking Shite and be done with it?

Maryz Fri 15-Feb-13 00:40:07

Now, you see, point proven.

If I had posted this in aibu, someone, somewhere would have replied <cries>

No-one cares about topics any more. Poor, dead topics.

<disclaimer: there has been wine taken in this house tonight>

A lot of people are already in bed or are pre-occupied tonight, Mary. I clicked your thread earlier but had nothing constructive to say so ran away again. Perhaps a well time bump tomo?

gaelicsheep Fri 15-Feb-13 00:56:27

I must admit blush that I'm not too bothered about topics, as 90% of the time I pick up threads from Active Conversations <lazy>. I think many more seasoned folk like Chat because you won't be Googlable for ever more.

I think topics are useful for legacy thread management though, they must definitely stay!

PickledInAPearTree Fri 15-Feb-13 01:11:11

I care. It's outraaaaaageous.

LadyBeagleEyes Fri 15-Feb-13 01:31:56

I'm with gaelicsheep, sorry Maryz.
I'm a newshound, but the News topic is always so slow, Chat is the place to be for current events.

'Tis sadly true. If you want anyone to read your thread there are only 2 places to put it.

I love the topics, but have given up looking in them. Not enough traffic to make leafing through all the different topics worthwhile.

gaelicsheep Fri 15-Feb-13 07:48:06

Oh, it was late last night and of course it didn't occur to me about the visibility factor. It should of course, I post in topics and suffer the same thing. In Active Convos it doesn't matter to me what topic something's in but I might be missing out on loads. How long have I been here to have forgotten that?!

FloatyBeatie Fri 15-Feb-13 08:10:41

I'm always surprised at how much this matters to people. I'm another one who only uses Active to browse. It doesn't matter to me what topic things are in.

And if news items "shouldn't" be in chat, what should be in chat? You can't chat without chatting about something, and most of the available somethings fall into one or other topic. I much prefer talking in chat because of its disappearing nature.

Maryz Fri 15-Feb-13 09:13:29

Morning all.

The reason I care about topics is that loads of newbies haven't even found Active - they post their problems in the correct topics and no-one ever sees them sad.

Personally, I think if even mnhq can't be bothered to encourage the use of topics properly, one answer would be to drastically reduce the number of topics. I can't understand the vast topic list, many of which have one or two active (almost quiche-like) threads, and apart from that are areas of tumbleweed. If they reduced the number of topics it would be possible (and worthwhile) for anyone to have a quick look at a few occasionally, instead of sticking to Active.

As it is, I think there are about four of us who regularly have a look at teenagers, and about ten look at adoption. Apart from those people, anyone new who posts in either is just ignored - not because people don't care, but because they don't see the threads.

The thing about DOTD - the moment mnhq decided to link the thread in chat to DOTD, it was obviously going to be seen by lots of people. Had they linked the thread in In the News, it would have been seen.

FloatyBeatie Fri 15-Feb-13 09:23:27

Ah, yes. I see that if you land on Mumsnet home page and then click on Talk you get the Topics list, which I suppose is how new users are quite likely to first arrive. Perhaps clicking on Talk should default to Active, so people can see the whole community, as it were, doing its stuff in live time, instead of being given a view of (mostly) backwaters.

Agree that there are way too many topics.

Maryz Fri 15-Feb-13 09:33:07

Exactly, you see the topic list, you spend an hour working out whether your problem should go in "parenting" or "behaviour" or "preteens" or "health" or any combination thereof, then you carefully compose a post and put it out there, and it dies a death.

I think it is the main reason newbies feel ignored sad. They see loads of threads getting hundreds of replies, and theirs sits there, forlorn and lonely. What they don't realise is that the busy threads are all Chat and AIBU.

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 15-Feb-13 09:39:28

Maryz

I have noticed today that there are two threads about Oscar Pistorius.

On in the right place (In The News) and one in the place-that-everyone-sticks-everything-because-they-are-too-lazy-to-find-the-Right-Place, otherwise known as "_Chat".

One was linked to in Discussion of the Day.

Guess which one [humpf]

I mean, if even MNHQ can't be arsed to use the correct topics, what's the point in having them. Why not just have AIBU, Important Chat, and Talking Shite and be done with it?

Actually, we do care about Topics - more than you could possibly know <shakes silently in the corner>

But let's just say the Chat thread about Pistorius was, if I remember rightly, at the time of "dodding", rather more contained and reasonable...

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 15-Feb-13 09:41:24

FloatyBeatie

Ah, yes. I see that if you land on Mumsnet home page and then click on Talk you get the Topics list, which I suppose is how new users are quite likely to first arrive. Perhaps clicking on Talk should default to Active, so people can see the whole community, as it were, doing its stuff in live time, instead of being given a view of (mostly) backwaters.

Agree that there are way too many topics.

And we're working on springcleaning the Topics list and making the Talk home page a nicer place to land on.

It's a bit of a marathon task, though, for boring techie reasons... Am hopeful of something sparkly and new in the spring, though <hostage to fortune>

FlouncingMintyy Fri 15-Feb-13 09:43:31

Hello Mary dear

<links arms>

I am still as rattled by it as you.

As I've said all along it just makes Mumsnet and Mumsnetters look silly.

Am I Being Unreasonable To Ask How To Make Pancakes? Yabu!!

Maryz Fri 15-Feb-13 09:45:12

Yes, but it continued to be more reasonable because it was linked to DODD so "normal" people saw it grin

Maryz Fri 15-Feb-13 09:45:52

Thank you Mintyy

<clutches to bosom in Chaos-like way>

At least someone understands [sob]

ParsingFancy Fri 15-Feb-13 09:47:52

Sparkly, Helen?

<narrows eyes>

<ungenerously picks on single word in HelenMN's helpful answer>

ScrambledSmegs Fri 15-Feb-13 09:50:00

Team Maryz here too.

When I first started using MN I spent some time doddering round the less populous topics. There's a lot of interesting stuff that doesn't get much attention, sadly.

Maryz Fri 15-Feb-13 09:54:01

I missed that Parsing.

Please, not sparkly.

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 15-Feb-13 10:00:17

ParsingFancy

^Sparkly^, Helen?

<narrows eyes>

<ungenerously picks on single word in HelenMN's helpful answer>

shock Can't believe that word came out of my keyboard. I may need a short lie down.

I meant lively, beautifully designed and intellectually piquant, of course.

ParsingFancy Fri 15-Feb-13 10:01:40

<bathes Helen's brow>

lougle Fri 15-Feb-13 10:09:47

Just because you don't see people actively posting doesn't mean they aren't reading with interest, though.

My MN routine tends to be:

Threads I'm On - check to see if people have added to the thread,etc.
SN: Children - check for new threads on there that may need answering
Active Convos - check for new threads that are interesting
Threads I'm On - if threads are fast moving

If it's all a bit tumbleweed on Active or SN:Children, I move on to 'Threads in the last day'.

I read a whole lot more than I post, in a wide range of topics - employment, adoptions, the lot.

Maryz Fri 15-Feb-13 10:12:46

I know that lougle.

It's just that with so many topics it's impossible to check them all. For example I always have a quick look in teenagers every day or so. But I should really check adolescent mental health, as there are some very desperate posters there, and no-one ever looks. Same with SN Teenagers, tumbleweed. Preteens was unnecessary and is largely empty.

A newbie posting in any of those might think that no-one is bothering to help. But in fact, no-one has seen their thread.

Trills Fri 15-Feb-13 10:15:51

Hi Maryz

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 15-Feb-13 10:17:02

Maryz: stuff like this is actually v v helpful. Do keep it coming.

Fwiw, one of the things we're going to do, after a chat with the folks in MNSN is get rid of SN Teenagers because SN Children is now SN Children and Young People.

We're also looking at ways to signpost linked topics, so flag up the existence of the Adolescent Mental Health topic when you're looking in Teenagers. Or of Preteens when you're looking in Parenting or Teenagers...

Maryz Fri 15-Feb-13 10:17:25

<hugs Trills>

You support me, don't you?

Because, of course, we are right grin

Maryz Fri 15-Feb-13 10:18:04

Oh, good Helen.

I'm being helpful <preens>

Not just moaning [arf]

Trills Fri 15-Feb-13 10:18:51

I generally use Active and hardly ever go into any topics.

But that's because I just want to piss about.

FloatyBeatie Fri 15-Feb-13 10:21:43

"Sparkly" suggests a vajazzled Talk page. (That would be quite a nice entry to mumsnet, actually -- a cheery welcoming vagina.)

Yes, a Talk page that mentioned and linked to Active, and explained that it is a good window into the whole of MN would be good.

Sometimes I think that the problematic nature of certain topics is partly to do with people using them in isolation from the talk site as a whole, and so failing to get what Mn is. And that is because their users sometimes haven't grasped that there is a whole-of-mumnset talkboard, i.e. Active.

Maryz Fri 15-Feb-13 10:22:38

Helen, while you are doing this revamp, have you considered the possibility of stickying a few threads in various topics.

There's a great support thread for suicidal/self-harming teenagers for example. And one's like The Brave Babes. They are a great way for newbies to get support quickly.

I think there's an asthma one too, and a few others scattered around various topics. I'm not talking about quiche-y threads, but ongoing support threads for particular situations.

There are about 15 topics I would like to check regularly, but they aren't particularly active, so I'm not going to trawl into topics, find it, click on it, find out nothings new, then do the same to the other 14 topics every day.

What I would love is a little personalised menu with links to your 10 favourite topics, so I would have Behaviour/Development, Skiing, Camping, Baking etc all just one click away to look at. I'd check them more often and post on them more often that way.

Agree with cleaning up the topics list too, way too many of them are ghost towns.

Maryz Fri 15-Feb-13 10:24:50

So, for example, in teenagers you could have threads sticked for "teenage mh" and "teenage SN" rather than a whole empty topic for each?

Yes TSG - that would be great. A way of checking "last 24 hours for specified topics" would be perfect.

ParsingFancy Fri 15-Feb-13 11:07:10

I rely almost entirely on Active, or very occasionally In The News to see if a thread's been started, but then use Topics if an interesting thread I've been following drops off Active.

And my lurk-to-posting ratio's about 100-1, too. So where I post may not be a good guide to what I read.

Trills Fri 15-Feb-13 11:46:38

A "My favourite topics" version of Active sounds good.

Hassled Fri 15-Feb-13 11:53:45

I yearn to have a good file of MN threads. I could happily spend a week sticking them in the right topics, none of which would be AIBU. It would be so cathartic - and then when someone wonders where their AIBU thread about cats or baking or cars is, they'll have to work it out for themselves. It would be like some social Darwinism experiment - how many MNers stay standing?

PolterGoose Fri 15-Feb-13 12:05:21

I'm with Maryz too. I do similar to lougle, and when bored flit around various boards learning all sorts of stuff. Often posters miss out on really valuable advice by posting in chat and AIBU, because a lot of 'expert posters' tend to confine their posting to specific boards, am thinking of many of the SN crew but also relationships, employment and legal have some very knowledgeable posters who I rarely see anywhere else.

Trills Fri 15-Feb-13 12:22:24

I just reported a non-AIBU in AIBU and was told Posters do, on occasion, start threads in the wrong places

I think that means "shut up and stop bothering us" sad

LadyBeagleEyes Fri 15-Feb-13 12:36:08

I agree, there's way to many topics.
But can someone define Chat for me?
It is the topic I use the most, and surely, like in RL, chat can be about anything.

Maryz Fri 15-Feb-13 12:42:26

"on occasion" shock

I think it would be more true to say "posters do, on occasion, start threads in the right place" grin

FloatyBeatie Fri 15-Feb-13 12:42:36

I wonder if, when mn was young and small and the whole site was quite slow-moving, the significance of Chat was that you could have live-time talk with whoever was around, whereas in the topic-based conversations you might just post a relatively serious question or answer and then walk away and do the ironing in the knowledge that an instant reply was unlikely. Now, the whole of MN is chat in that sense -- live-time nattering.

Maryz Fri 15-Feb-13 12:47:17

Back in the day, Floaty, when you logged in you could get "messages posted since I last logged in".

And you would get a few dozen threads to have a look at, from every topic. It was great, you could really keep up and you ended up reading about things you thought you had no interest in, like gerbils and crochet!

Chat was started for real time "chat" and there was huge opposition, as it was thought that everything would end up in chat - which it did until aibu came along hmm

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 15-Feb-13 12:52:27

Trills

I just reported a non-AIBU in AIBU and was told Posters do, on occasion, start threads in the wrong places

I think that means "shut up and stop bothering us" sad

Erm, no it doesn't, Trills. Sorry about that. You shouldn't have had quite such a bald response.

HotPinkWeaselWearingLederhosen Fri 15-Feb-13 12:54:06

Would MN work faster if we killed AIBU threads after 6 weeks?

FloatyBeatie Fri 15-Feb-13 13:13:53

I wish they would kill/archive most of their content after 90 days, as with chat. I hate the thought that my tedious comments from 2007 about some trivia or other are around for ever. Since the distinction between "chat" and other topics is pretty non-existent now it seems arbitrary to archive chat after 90 days and keep the rest available.

FlouncingMintyy Fri 15-Feb-13 13:26:16

We have had many discussions about deleting the AIBU threads after a few months. We never get anywhere ...

Tee2072 Fri 15-Feb-13 13:33:06

I am also on your side MaryZ and not just because you backed my 're-order hidden threads' campaign.

It would be great to have a 'favourite topics' drop down or similar, because there are some topics that I read via topic (Bloggers, Freelancers for two examples) and other than that I wander through TIO and AC.

Maryz Fri 15-Feb-13 13:39:10

Yes, I think if they delete Chat after 90 days they should also delete AIBU (and name it FightyChat)

Maryz Fri 15-Feb-13 13:39:48

Thanks Tee smile

And everyone else who is on my side. We will be lonely (as oppose to one lone) voices in the wilderness.

gaelicsheep Fri 15-Feb-13 13:40:51

Maryz - you have inspired me to go and explore smile

Maryz Fri 15-Feb-13 13:43:57

You'll be back in about three and half minutes, gaelic. That's the length of time it will take you to click on about a dozen topics and discover there is practically nothing in them sad.

gaelicsheep Fri 15-Feb-13 13:49:25

No time now Maryz - at work. This evening though. I will make it my mission to start bumping them all up into Active Convos - care to join me? wink

GetOrf Fri 15-Feb-13 13:59:08

The topics thing is really annoying sometimes - I agree with you maryz (I think we have mutually grumbled about this for several years grin).

I think the majority of MNers use active, however for newbies that is not very apparent.

And the fact that the vast majority of topics are completely empty doesn't help. There are some very odd duplications and additions. I think MN could operate quite leanly on 20 topics or so. To have so many is really messy and, as Maryz says, leaves posters languishing unanswered.

I start posts in one of the more popular topics - so I can click on style and beauty (for instance) from active convos, as there is always a S&B thread active, and then click 'start new thread' from there. I am not going to go trawling the longwinded topics list looking for something obscure so that I can start a thread which will be ignored.

I also personally don't blame people for starting a thread in chat or AIBU rather than the correct topic. Rather than saying that those people are wrong, I think the site could probably cater the design of the site to how people actually use it (which is put all their threads in the most popular topics).

GetOrf Fri 15-Feb-13 14:00:10

Well that probably made no sense. Cater the design? I think I meant alter. grin

Trills Fri 15-Feb-13 14:07:14

Oh don't go and tell anyone off Helen - it was a perfectly polite response, but I just chose to imagine it in a sarcastic voice grin

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 15-Feb-13 18:36:48

GetOrf

Well that probably made no sense. Cater the design? I think I meant alter. grin

Yes, it does make sense.

We're planning a change so that when you click 'start a new thread' (in any topic), you get a dropdown asking you which topic you'd like to put it in.

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 15-Feb-13 18:37:41

Trills

Oh don't go and tell anyone off Helen - it was a perfectly polite response, but I just chose to imagine it in a sarcastic voice grin

Too late. She's had her P45.

And it's all YOUR fault. <mwah ha ha>

Maryz Fri 15-Feb-13 18:41:32

Oh my goodness <clutches pearls>

Don't let the power go to her head, Helen. She will be unbearable grin

FellatioNels0n Fri 15-Feb-13 18:41:42

This has bothered me for years. If you are a good girl and you post things in the correct place they largely get ignored. We should have actual proper thread police that just move stuff.

If you have posted in chat because you want it to disappear after a bit then you should state that at the top of your post.

FellatioNels0n Fri 15-Feb-13 18:43:48

I agree Getorf. We could cut the topics in half and still serve almost every purpose.

FellatioNels0n Fri 15-Feb-13 18:44:57

And if there were fewer topics people might feel more compelled to use them, and a bit less concerned that their thread will get lost in the ether.

BlatantLies Fri 15-Feb-13 18:47:49

I love the idea that TheSkiingGardener suggested about being able to have a list of your favourite topics.

I also agree with deleting everything after 90 days or whatever. You could introduce stickies for very informative or entertaining posts.

BIWI Fri 15-Feb-13 18:53:09

Can you have a drop down menu that says 'Are you really sure that you want to post this in AIBU?', followed by 'Are you sure that you are posting something that actually requires an answer 'yes, YABU' or 'no, YANBU'?

Trills Fri 15-Feb-13 19:11:05

Followed by "if people tell you that you are being unreasonable, or in the unlikely event that they tell you that you are being reasonable, will that actually answer your question?"

Maryz Fri 15-Feb-13 19:23:01

I still think the "please note this talkboard is for adults over the age of 18 and with a sense of humour" should be added at the main talk page.

BIWI Fri 15-Feb-13 19:40:29

Oh yes, Maryz, I definitely agree with that!

gaelicsheep Sat 16-Feb-13 00:22:56

You know I want to retract my first point completely. I DO care. A while back I was looking for, and failed to find, a thread on the Les Mis movie. I posted in the appropriate topic asking where it was and was told there was one in Chat. Just now I looked in Telly Addicts for a thread about the fantastic Dancing on the Edge. Haven't found one yet.

I think of threads in Chat as supplementary chit chat where there will be "real" thread elsewhere. Not so it seems. And yes I find it does bother me after all! And it makes it blooming hard to find anything.

gaelicsheep Sat 16-Feb-13 00:33:05

It does help, of course, if one looks properly. Thread duly.found in the right place. blush

gaelicsheep Sat 16-Feb-13 14:26:24

Maryz - I give you this. That thread was on the first page of the topic in question. Posters complained about me re-starting an old thread as well (I didn't even check the date).

And why do people get bothered if you re-open an old thread?

Trills Sat 16-Feb-13 14:49:26

I think people get annoyed if they read a thread and offer advice and then realise that the issue in the OP has been long since resolved, so they feel that their advice is "wasted".

Maryz Sat 16-Feb-13 16:12:16

Yes, that is obviously a well-used topic hmm

I remember the cries from about two people for its introduction.

You do have to be careful with topics like that - I found myself pompously offering advice on a well dead thread, only to find that I had done exactly the same about a year before grin.

gaelicsheep Sat 16-Feb-13 16:18:07

He he. I think I might have done that on occasion as well. I'm safe at the moment since I was on a self-enforced break for a good while, so it's all new to me again just now.

Tigerbomb Sat 16-Feb-13 16:21:57

I would like to see a "Views count" next to a thread. That would show how visible a post is in a topic

Trills Sat 16-Feb-13 16:37:28

As long as you didn't offer the exact opposite advice Maryz smile

Maryz Sat 16-Feb-13 16:40:21

I suspect I might have done on some old threads Trills. Which would be very embarrassing.

I think we might have had a thread in Site Stuff about that at one stage Tiger. I think it was thought to not be a very good thing as there are many more lurkers than posters and it the conclusion was that it might be very upsetting on some threads for people to post and realise that hundreds of people are watching their problems and reading all about them but not bothering to respond.

It might be ok on chat and aibu, but not on the more "supportive" areas, maybe?

Tee2072 Sat 16-Feb-13 16:42:38

On Delphi forms you can reply to an exact post and then see if that person had read the post.

T'was brilliant when people said they were leaving but you could see they were still reading!

But Delphi is even bitchier than MN. For true.

MerryCouthyMows Sat 16-Feb-13 18:01:39

I care about topics. I try to use the correct topic for what I'm posting. I do slip up occasionally, and I also post some things in _Chat that belong elsewhere if I need a really quick answer - bit that's not often.

MerryCouthyMows Sat 16-Feb-13 18:03:37

MaryZ - I often lurk on teenagers, I just don't often post. Tbh it's because I seem to be failing miserably with DD, so I'm there lurking for your advice, don't feel I have enough wisdom on the subject to contribute too often!

MerryCouthyMows Sat 16-Feb-13 18:07:35

I must look for the SN teenagers topic. I seem to stay in SN children a lot - because although DD IS a teenager, she is still my child !

Tbh, I tend to look at threads I'm on, Active and then SN children. If I have more time on MN, then I go to Primary education / Secondary education / Teenagers / and then whatever takes my fancy!

Maryz Sat 16-Feb-13 18:08:40

Don't be silly, Merry.

Pretty much everyone in Teenagers is failing miserably! That's why we are there.

We make comforting noises and pat each other on the head a lot. You are more than welcome to join in, either as a patter or a pattee grin.

Tee, you do seem to be a bit of a forum-whore shock

Tee2072 Sat 16-Feb-13 18:20:19

Maryz! I'm shocked you would say that! wink

Actually, I don't use Delphi any more. It got boring being that bitchy all the time. MN is the right level of bitchy for me.

grin

Maryz Sat 16-Feb-13 18:25:17

I would never dare to even investigate any other fora - imagine how much time I would waste if I was on more than just Mumsnet?

amillionyears Sat 16-Feb-13 18:28:47

MN have been saying for absolutely ages that they will "tidy up" the topics.
But the process is very slow for techie reasons.

I suspect we will all be having the same conversation about the untidy topics section in June.

NicholasTeakozy Sat 16-Feb-13 18:57:02

I started a thread this morning about a footballer who has come out as gay in the In The News section as it was The Right Section to do so. It had two replies.

Fair enough, it is probable that nobody outside of fans of Dirty Leeds or non-league Stevenage have heard of him, but it's still disappointing to get so few responses.

GetOrf Sat 16-Feb-13 18:59:14

Million do you not bore yourself with your endless complaints with how this site is run?

Tee2072 Sat 16-Feb-13 19:09:43

grin GetOrf

greenhill Sat 16-Feb-13 19:16:45

nicholas it is a shame that they don't do this when at the height of their fame, instead using their retirement as a sounding board as it won't affect their sponsorship deals (main source of their income). Gareth Thomas, a rugby player, did this and is now a motivational speaker. <should post this in the correct topic too>

Weeks ago I started a thread in "culture vultures" about Howard Goodall's new series on the Story of Music (tonight 9.30 BBC2) there are two replies. I daren't mention the excellent Monty Don series about French gardens in "gardening" as I don't do much of that, or in "telly addicts" as they seem to like soaps or box set American imports <must have minority interests>

I'll just be watching these things with DH and have to talk to him about them...

amillionyears Sat 16-Feb-13 19:17:02

You'll cope!

greenhill Sat 16-Feb-13 19:27:30

But... I spend too much time here, to deal with RL too <ignores DS emptying an enormous box of Lego onto the floor> grin

Maryz Sat 16-Feb-13 19:48:13

I would have posted on that Nick, if I had seen it.

In fact I might go and find it.

I think it's great that he came out - and I wonder why there aren't more openly gay soccer and rugby players. Is sport the last bastion when it comes to staying in the closet sad.

gaelicsheep Sat 16-Feb-13 20:55:04

greenhill - I'm going to find your Howard Goodall thread right now. smile

Rochellemaria Sat 16-Feb-13 21:55:09

Yes I would also love a ' views count ' alongside each thread.smile. This would be a great addition tigerbomb

Tigerbomb Sat 16-Feb-13 22:02:48

I agree that a views count on supportive areas may be a tad insensitive but it would help on other areas. It might then be a way of seeing just how much traffic other areas receive. People might start posting in the correct areas if they know their thread has been looked at.

gaelicsheep Sat 16-Feb-13 22:04:46

Mumsnet should already be able to see the dead areas and I hope they are working on amalgamating them quick smart. Why so slow Mumsnet? It's a database - can't be that hard!

Maryz Sat 16-Feb-13 22:22:39

Oh, they have known for years, gaelic.

But people keep asking for new ones - there's a new science and nature one recently, and the demanded "homework", "bullying", "preteens", The great Outdoors etc have been hardly used.

It would be better to have a "clubs" section, and have sticked threads for "science", "history", "outdoors" etc and let people have ongoing chat-type threads within one topic. That way you could post a question on a thread where there are loads of people itching to talk about the topic grin.

Other dead ones are "Facebook", "Houseswap" etc.

There are loads of 'em.

gaelicsheep Sat 16-Feb-13 22:24:41

Facebook? Can't you talk about that, well, on Facebook?!

greenhill Sat 16-Feb-13 22:29:13

I like the idea for a clubs section, but must be pedantic about your use of the word "sticked" instead of "stuck" especially as you have pedant in your thread title. grin

gaelicsheep Sat 16-Feb-13 22:31:39

stickied?

HollaAtMeBaby Sat 16-Feb-13 22:35:49

Couldn't agree more I really wish MNHQ would just move all the misplaced threads to where they belong!

greenhill Sat 16-Feb-13 22:40:05

Can you imagine how busy MNHQ would be if all us pedants started reporting threads for being in the wrong topics? They have enough trouble dealing with trolls etc. It might cause a meltdown holla

nickelbabe Sat 16-Feb-13 22:47:33

yup, talk topics definitely need an overhaul.

those that hardly ever get posted in can be removed (merged) and threads that are in the wrong topic should be moved

FlouncingMintyy Sat 16-Feb-13 22:49:44

We had a brilliant list compiled by Mary and I think it was Getorf of all the topics you'd ever need ... think it came to about 20 absolute max.

And I see no one has taken me up on my suggestion that Aibu should be renamed Petty Gripes. If it just had that topic heading then I think people would think twice before posting in there.

Tigerbomb Sat 16-Feb-13 22:56:49

I imagine also that a few people use chat as they know the thread and therefore their post will disappear after 30 days.

nickelbabe Sat 16-Feb-13 22:59:51

90 days.

I was just in arts and crafts. I love the pictures topics, but I think they should be merged so that all the arts and crafts threads can have pictures.

DazzleII Sat 16-Feb-13 23:06:44

Not sure about the other topics you mention, Maryz, but the Bullying topic is reasonably well used, IMVHO; it's particularly good for links and info relating to very specific forms of bullying, eg death threats on Facebook or whatever. It can be invaluable to read how another parent has dealt with the precise form of bullying you are facing, and to read how schools have acted, and to hear from MN teachers about how they would take action to stop particular forms of bullying amongst particular age groups. Also legal views are useful from the MN legal beagles.

Maryz Sat 16-Feb-13 23:14:34

Yes, nickel.

Once they had picture arts and crafts they could get rid of the "normal" one. Same for S&B.

Dazzle, I recognise that all the topics have a purpose. I'm sure it's great - the problem is that if you were a newbie and posted there, probably no-one would ever see it. Because few people check bullying (I wouldn't have thought) on a daily basis.

Most people posts "AIBU to be upset that my dd was bullied today" and get eleventy million responses instead.

greenhill, I thought "stickied" was the technical term [gimmer]; should I have said "stuck threads"? I just mean threads that stay at the top of the list.

DazzleII Sat 16-Feb-13 23:20:08

Wonder how a newbie could get sensible answers to a bullying question, then? If they post on AIBU they are most likely to get into a ruck themselves. I think there's a good case for encouraging newbies to go to Active Convos instead of topics of specific interest to them. and to give newbies specific info about what topics are available. I'm sure Pre-teesn ans some others could go tho. (if you feel strongly about it)

Maryz Sat 16-Feb-13 23:30:16

I know, that's the problem as I see it Dazzle.

So many people innocently post in aibu and get their arses burnt.

And others post in empty topic and get ignored.

It's tough - there seems to be no rhyme or reason as to what threads take off; I think it's just luck. If you get a couple of quick answers, it sort of stays in Active for a few people to notice, then a discussion starts.

I know myself that it is very tough when you start a thread really trying to find someone to talk to and no-one answers at all sad.

greenhill Sun 17-Feb-13 10:32:22

Apologies maryz I'd not heard of "stickied" before.

As previously noted, "chat" is used as a dumping ground as people don't want their comments to be googled for eternity. Especially when a poster will sometimes use "advanced search" to throw an ancient comment back at a poster, particularly in "AIBU" when things aren't going well.

Maybe MNHQ will delete more posts in other topics after a certain period of time as the database must be getting choked up, now there are so many users.

When I first used MN, way back in 2007, I didn't find "active conversations" from the "talk" subjects, so didn't use the board very much for posting. I mainly lurked in topics that reflected my current situation / need for advice.

I wonder what the ratio of lurkers to posters is?

Maryz Sun 17-Feb-13 10:45:46

Approximately 1,000 to one, I reckon, greenhill grin.

amillionyears Sun 17-Feb-13 12:49:32

I think some threads dont take off because of timing.
Posts that are started in picking up kids from school time, or those started around evening meal time for example, can sometimes struggle to get off the ground.

I do think, when MNHQ reorganise the topics, that things like General Health for example, would get more posts. And sometimes, In the News.

nickelbabe Sun 17-Feb-13 14:31:31

I always used active convos when I first came here.

at the top of the page. I foynd the topics confusing and saw the "active" button at the top and stayed there.
then I bookmarked active and so always got diverted there.
it took a long while for me to look at the topics - I think I started off after finding soneone had posted a chicken thread and I thought "ooh I'll have a look at other chicken threads ".
most of the topics I've found existed through active convos. so yes, to me, too, it would make sense to be divertedthere first.

Trills Sun 17-Feb-13 17:08:01

I have always used Active too.

gaelicsheep Sun 17-Feb-13 22:35:53

I cannot understand people who lurk and don't post. I think I lasted about 2 days before I HAD to say something!

amillionyears Sun 17-Feb-13 22:43:12

I lasted 4 months! Cant see how I did that either!

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Mon 18-Feb-13 19:21:06

I love the idea of favourite topics!

gaelicsheep Mon 18-Feb-13 22:38:47

Me too! Please can you do that Mumsnet? Pretty please?!

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