NOW CLOSED: Please take a very quick survey on what can be done about childcare costs

(54 Posts)
RowanMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 15-Jan-13 16:37:15

Hello

As many of you will know, the Coalition is in the throes of discussing policies to address the thorny issue of childcare costs (see also discussion on this thread).

Justine is going to be speaking at an event hosted by the Resolution Foundation this Thursday, discussing what can be done - and at what price.

So we'd love all MNers with children to take this honestly, truly super-quick four-question survey (and two of the questions are about your children's ages and where you live grin) so that we can try to get a sense of what solutions MNers would like to see.

thanks
MNHQ

ASmidgeofMidge Tue 15-Jan-13 16:40:54

Tis done

WheresMyCow Tue 15-Jan-13 16:41:03

Done, but clicked complete before filling in my email address blush

RowanMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 15-Jan-13 16:41:52

WheresMyCow

Done, but clicked complete before filling in my email address blush

Oop - if you mail contactus@mumsnet.com we'll try to get you entered into the draw

KatyPeril Tue 15-Jan-13 16:50:39

Done. Hope something gets done before I'm sectioned again.

WheresMyCow Tue 15-Jan-13 16:57:37

Thanks Rowan, will do smile

bigkidsdidit Tue 15-Jan-13 17:05:52

Done

Done

Isitme1 Tue 15-Jan-13 17:11:20

Done

MiconiumHappens Tue 15-Jan-13 17:30:33

Done

gizmo Tue 15-Jan-13 17:34:34

PW, I hold you personally responsible for the fact that I have just read at least 4 Telegraph readers' comments. My eyessssssss!!!

Bicnod Tue 15-Jan-13 17:35:30

Done

Tee2072 Tue 15-Jan-13 17:41:37

Free childcare for all!!!! Viva La Revolution!!

::fist in the air::

Or, um...done.

MsPickle Tue 15-Jan-13 18:27:24

^This!

3ofeach Tue 15-Jan-13 18:31:31

done
free childcare for all - what a lovely thought.

chewingguminmyhair Tue 15-Jan-13 18:38:08

Would be nice as hopeful parents to be to have a say. I think the daunting cost of childcare puts people off having DC.

Iggly Tue 15-Jan-13 18:47:30

Done.

I said subsidised childcare funded by taxation. So parents contribute some but not all.

Childcare is ridiculously expensive - highest in Europe if I'm correct? It's a joke.

Employers also need to be more flexible eg let us have some days 9-5 and other days the same as school hours for example. More home working so we can get to our children by 3/4pm. It can't be good for children to be away from home for such long stretches every day of the week.

AmandinePoulain Tue 15-Jan-13 19:04:40

Done.

I personally would like to see the free childcare for 3 year olds offered in the same way across the UK - at present in Wales it's generally provided by schools. When dd1 turned 3 in February 2011 there were no places in the 3 local schools until the following September, and there was no flexibility with the hours, or any way to top it up. I prefer the English system, where we could have knocked 15 hours off our nursery bill as soon as she turned 3.

Done grin

jellybeans Tue 15-Jan-13 19:16:01

It would be a tall order to pay grandparents etc for childcare yet no help to stay home parents. I would say more support for stay home parents or increase CB to allow parents to offset a parent at home or towards nursery fees. That way there is free choice and not the government trying to force all families to be dual income full time. Some parents prefer a parent at home or to work around each others hours for example.

TheDarkSideOfTheSpoon Tue 15-Jan-13 19:18:37

Done smile

BlueberryHill Tue 15-Jan-13 19:47:04

Done, in your question about childrens ages, there is no where to indicate if you have multiples, so it looks like I have but 2 but it is three. Plus just to add multiples being in childcare is horrifically expensive, most people have gaps so don't have to pay for two children full time for that long before 15 hours kicks in at 3. If I had gone back to work I would have been working for a car allowance, paying tax and childcare for two+ years.

Done

Crazycake Tue 15-Jan-13 20:01:53

Done

tubsmum Tue 15-Jan-13 20:02:44

done

ratbagcatbag Tue 15-Jan-13 20:11:38

Done - I fall into a higher earners bracket (I think) or at least I do combined with DH, if they remove the vouchers for higher earners we are screwed and we have waited years to be able to afford the one child I'm currently pregnant with.

mumnosbest Tue 15-Jan-13 20:18:40

done... but i'd rather see less pressure on parents to return to work and more support for parents who want to stay at home during the early yrs and support for returning to work.

Anjou Tue 15-Jan-13 20:29:36

Done. Via mobile. I pressed 'complete' and Survey monkey has been processing ever since (30 minutes ago). Looks like my response will time out. I wrote a pretty big 'other' reply, and would rather not have to type it all out on my phone again! confused

LexyMa Tue 15-Jan-13 20:33:46

I don't see the rationale for paying for childcare of SAHPs who are so by choice, other than the 15 hours from 3 y. However I would like to see the definition of 'employment' widened to include caring responsibilities (I.e. a disabled dependent), study, work experience (workfare or whatever placements the DWP makes people do if on JSA), and voluntary work with registered charities or community groups.

That would mean that for anyone without the qualifications or experience to earn enough to pay for childcare, the "we would be worse off" argument, a number of other worthwhile activities would count for NI contributing time and notional pay that could be offset against tax, so you don't earn anything but spend 10 hrs a week in sure start centre as a bf peer supporter, another 5-10hrs (nights, variable actual time, from home) as a LLL phone answer person. You get 20 hrs NI 'stamps' made from the budget that would have paid your JSA if you were seeking work, and you get govt funded childcare for the 10 hrs you work at SS centre. Isn't that 'big society'?

Bubblegum78 Tue 15-Jan-13 20:42:25

done

Meglet Tue 15-Jan-13 20:45:35

done.

Woofsaidtheladybird Tue 15-Jan-13 21:04:28

Done!

metafarcical Tue 15-Jan-13 21:28:18

What Blueberry said. I'm priced out of work by childcare costs for multiples.

financialwizard Tue 15-Jan-13 21:48:32

Done.

ReneandGeorgetteMagritte Wed 16-Jan-13 00:10:07

jellybeans I'm so glad someone else feels the same way as me. I had to write my own option in that survey, none existed for 'support SAHP and flexible working'. That is real freedom of choice.

done anyway.

Joelybear Wed 16-Jan-13 00:14:56

Done

MerryCouthyMows Wed 16-Jan-13 00:41:38

Done.

BlueyDragon Wed 16-Jan-13 07:05:22

Done. But it was a bit limited tbh. I couldn't add that this is one area where I would support a universal system. If you use childcare so you can work and contribute to the economy in that way (yes, SAHPs who don't use childcare make a contribution to the economy too, I do understand that but haven't come up with a way of recognising that yet) then you should get some meaningful recognition for that regardless of what form of childcare you use, your employment status or your income. I realise the last statement is controversial, after all surely the top earners can afford their childcare? I'm a high earner but I get absolutely kicked milked at every turn and still seem to be constantly expected to pay more. Without my childcare I won't be available for milking any more so bye bye a sizeable tax payout to public coffers (I don't earn enough to indulge in tax avoidance), one full time job and one part-time job (the people I need to support me doing the work I do.

In France many nurseries are subsidised by the state and parental contribution is means tested. There aren't enough places in all towns, but it is a viable option.

plantsitter Wed 16-Jan-13 09:41:59

Done, but why were the choices in the first question in a different order in the second? Is there a secret agenda?

RB68 Wed 16-Jan-13 10:00:01

I think it is far more fundamental - the whole system of childcare needs to be looked at for both school and pre school kids. We need end to end systems for school children - as well as places of education schools need to have care solutions in place from 8 till 6 - its a really long day for kids if they are schooled the whole time but I think combined with clubs, homework time (prep!) sports activities and just general play this could be manageable and would reduce stress, anxiety and impact on work hours trying to arrange cover for gaps for Mums in particular as this generally falls to them. The cost of running such choldcare for school and preschool also needs looking at as does the regulation that applies, it needs to be seamless, easy to interpret, enough but not too much (Ofsted, H&S, child safety/protection etc vs being actually caring, independence, adventure and play) have a good system for monitoring and support sensible working hours and pay for people looking after our children. I think this could drastically reduce the cost of childcare, the stress on parents and the interaction between parents and nurseries. I have put free childcare for all mostly as I am putting the child first and think this benefits the child best.

But I don't see why those without families and children should pay this or at least not in full, so maybe we need to sort out a different way of paying for it that makes it seem fair to those without families so we don't get this constant tension between people with different needs.

TiddlerCat Wed 16-Jan-13 10:04:01

Support SAHP who have chosen to modify their lifestyle in order to do the most important job in the world, caring for and nurturing the future generation. The Government needs to look at the research on the importance of the early years before school. I had a relatively well paid job and chose to look after my children instead, what help do I get from the Government, bugger all. We have just had our child benefit stopped - are we rich, no. If the married persons tax allowance was taken into account we could at least use my entitlement. I feel like I don't exist in the Government's eyes. angry

StrangerDanger Wed 16-Jan-13 10:13:40

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HeathRobinson Wed 16-Jan-13 10:26:27

RB68 - you say - But I don't see why those without families and children should pay this or at least not in full, so maybe we need to sort out a different way of paying for it that makes it seem fair to those without families -

you couldn't make the burden of paying this fall on every family though, not fair on SAHPs.

DairyBeetle Wed 16-Jan-13 10:27:54

Done,

While I most like the idea of free pre-school child care for all, I am under no illusion that I will likely see this as I see pigs fly of Westminster...

Though as others have said more support and a change in attitudes regarding flexible working and working from home would go along way to helping. DH's job means that we are having to relocate, which means I'm having to resign from a job where my employer has let me drop down to four days (would have liked three but living and child care costs are too high for that to be managable). Advice from my current manager and others (including trained careers advisors) has been not to mention needing to work p/t or flexibly when applying for new jobs...

Pam100127 Wed 16-Jan-13 10:32:07

I'm not sure I would use childcare anyway. I'm a stay at home mum, but I respect other peoples choice to work. I hated the thought of missing my kids doing things or someone else scolding them for minor misdemeanors but it works out for many & we've learnt to reduce our spending to fit in with one income.

Done.

Done. The cost of childcare where I live (greater london) is huge. To put dc2 in nursery 3 days a week is the same as my take home wage for those 3 days. I have to do it to keep myself in the job market for the future even though I will lose money. We have just lost our cb. We will struggle for money for the next few years. The government really needs to do something positive with childcare provision to help people out. I feel very angry and worried about all the changes going on.

TuffEric Wed 16-Jan-13 10:57:55

Done

This has just popped up on my fb feed - but the link says that the survey is closed. sad

AnnMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 16-Jan-13 11:45:04

Thanks to everyone who completed the survey in super quick time - we had an amazing response.

DialMforMummy has been selected at random as the £50 winner...you have mail!

Sokmonsta Wed 16-Jan-13 11:47:21

I ditto about multiples. In reality I have 2 under 1 (twins), a 2yo and a 4yo). These surveys really should let you give a number for children in case of multiples as people aren't able to give an accurate account of their family.

BlueberryHill Wed 16-Jan-13 13:54:38

Thanks for agreeing other multiple parents, please amend the survery data collection to include us. I know that there are specfic organisations campaigning for multiples but I still think we should be more visible on here, it is another route for us to be heard. Especially on child care costs, I am priced out of the market and I was an above average earner.

AnnMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 16-Jan-13 15:48:53

Point noted sokmonsta and blueberryhill - thanks.

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