Hide Poster (again!)

(353 Posts)
UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 13:13:49

Hide me, hide me! grin

I think that it's time to revisit the arguments for this again: the site is much bigger and full of wankers than it used to be, and there is a lot of unnecessary conflict. Given that civilian moderators have been discounted, and that the community team's workload is practically Dickensian, don't you think that anything which will reduce personal attacks and thus the need for deletions would be a good thing?

I understand that Justine is worried that threads "won't make sense", but given that a) people mostly talk shite anyway and fly off-topic (eg Larkers in the face of Po-some OPs etc); and b) the hide button would be individually activated by choice and not compulsory, I don't think this argument really holds water.

There are many posters mature enough to never need to shield themselves from the profoundly irritating, and some folk are naturally imbued with a zen-like calm in the face of fucknuggetry, but for the rest of us, please please please give us the option to simply never have to read the posts of people we know invariably get on our last nerve.

I am convinced that spats will reduce; people will participate more widely and constructively in threads, instead of having to hide them once their nemesis appears; goading will become much less sustained; and the bill to MNHQ for gin at weekends will be slashed to pre-2005 levels.

What's not to like?

For the first time ever I am adding my yes please to a hide poster option

scurryfunge Wed 10-Oct-12 13:20:19

Would a poster know that they were hidden?

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 13:21:34

Scurryfunge, no, nobody would know except you.

WilfredToadflax Wed 10-Oct-12 13:24:01

I'd like a hide poster option too.

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 13:25:09

Another thing about threads not making sense- quite a few prolific posters have, for one reason or another, had their entire posting history withdrawn, which really does ruin threads. Plenty in Classics are now incomprehensible, for example, to anyone.

A Hide Poster button could be reversible, and would only leave holes in threads which the Hider had chosen, and obviously everybody can see the thread as normal.

OhChristFENTON Wed 10-Oct-12 13:26:45

I am interested.

How would it look though? - say I decided to hide you, BOF and you were on a thread - would your posts appear blank to me, - and would I puzzle momentarily at the blank post then see your name and go hmm oh, that figures?

Because I think I could get on board with that. Just yesterday there was one I would like to hide and on reading her/his post I thought hmm then recognised the name - right then I could have hidden them forever and never have had to see their drivel again.

<I wouldn't actually want to hide you by the way, my lovely>

picnicbasketcase Wed 10-Oct-12 13:28:41

Sounds fair enough actually, even though I can only think of a couple of posters I'd hide and I just avoid the sections where they're likely to post.

FrankensteinWippery Wed 10-Oct-12 13:29:36

That's exactly how it is Fenton when you have Chrome and special things

TheMightyRubester Wed 10-Oct-12 13:30:16

I don't agree with having a 'hide poster' option.

To me, that is the whole point of MN - it's all-inclusive.

GetOrfAKAMrsUsainBolt Wed 10-Oct-12 13:31:04

I totally totally agree.

I think the argument for threads not making sense doesn't hold water at all for the reasons bof outlines, plus it is self selecting. If you hide so many people that threads become incomprehensible you can just unhide can't you.

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 13:31:19

I think there would just be a line saying "You have chosen to hide this poster" or similar (although if we could customise the message, you might just write "Aren't you glad you don't have to read this drivel?"). That's how it works on other forums.

Poledra Wed 10-Oct-12 13:32:57

I know my thread about electric blankets is boring, BOF and GetOrf, but really, this is taking things Too Far <sorrowful look>

OhChristFENTON Wed 10-Oct-12 13:33:03

I like it.

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 13:33:45

Hide Poster doesn't stop anybody posting though, Mighty, and there is enough variety on MN for everyone to have their fellow-travellers: it's not as though we would all hide the same people. It would just cut down on snippiness.

BigBroomstickBIWI Wed 10-Oct-12 13:34:32

Can't we at least have a trial?

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 13:35:38

<strokes Poledra>

WereTricksPotter Wed 10-Oct-12 13:37:03

I think there could be a problem if you posted something that had been said by your Hidden poster/s.
MN being what it is you're going to get a load of "Xxx has already said that rtft!"

I don't like it. But then I like shouting at the screen sometimes.

Yes please!

I have used it on another forum and it would say, for e.g:

TheMightyRubester Wed 10-Oct-12 13:30:16

I don't agree with having a 'hide poster' option.

To me, that is the whole point of MN - it's all-inclusive.

UltraBof Wed blah-blah-blah

Messages from this poster are hidden. Show message?

-
So if you're really intrigued it's easy enough to click show message and see what the knobhead you hate had to say wink

SeveredEdMcDunnough Wed 10-Oct-12 13:37:42

I've been asking them to do this for yonks and they won't.

Now I find I'm not sure I'm in favour any more. There aren't that many people I'd want to hide. And I'm not sure it would quell my insatiable urge to shoot them anyway.

They'll probably do it now I'm not interested any more.

Not that I would dare hide Bof I might add shock

scaevola Wed 10-Oct-12 13:38:24

It's not the same as messages withdrawn or deleted, though, is it? Because those are seen by everyone at the same time, and the thread continues in light of it. If some people are hiding some posters (who may not be arses all the time) then the thread is different to different people and the potential for repetition or misunderstanding would increase to the frustration of everyone.

SeveredEdMcDunnough Wed 10-Oct-12 13:38:49

Were is right too. It would be obvious you had hidden them. And that would hurt.

SeveredEdMcDunnough Wed 10-Oct-12 13:40:11

Also the people I can't bear to read are easily hideable if I just delete their threads that they start.

Their contributions on other people's threads generally aren't that objectionable. It's when it's all about them that it winds me up.

iyswim? And I can just hide the thread.

scurryfunge Wed 10-Oct-12 13:40:33

If someone apologises or changes their behaviour, how would the hider know?

Pascha Wed 10-Oct-12 13:40:39

Surely all that is needed once you have hidden a poster in Customise is a hide/show button on each relevant post so if you do want to see a specific post by that poster, to understand something not otherwise clear, then you just click the button and that particular post is visible.

I would vote for a Hide Poster option, BTW, although I do have Zen-like calm in the face of fucknuggetry.

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 13:41:22

Another argument that comes up over this issue is that we might lose the opportunity to educate posters in the error of their ways.

I reject this too, as I don't believe people would just merrily click Hide every time someone disagreed with them; the point is that posters who are impervious to reason and that you know merely serve to irritate you on a consistent basis, to the point where you sometimes just have to avoid entire threads or even topics, could be hidden so that you can participate in a discussion without falling into the trap of becoming tetchy or rude. And there will always be posters who take pride in being tolerant and patient, and wouldn't hide anybody at all. If they want to engage, they are absolutely free to do so.

ShirleyRots Wed 10-Oct-12 13:41:47

I would like it but it would be mostly pointless. Because the thread would go:

POster A: I think that's good
Poster B: Bollshite
You have hidden this poster
Poster A: OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT POSTER C
Me: <clicks unhide> <gets the rage>

I just know myself too well.

<shakes head>

<hides self>

OhDeerHauntingFENTON Wed 10-Oct-12 13:42:04

I like the idea of customising the comment you would see. You could have "You have chosen to hide this poster because he/she is a twat / is a bigot / an irritant / a goader

Ah, and if they namechange, would the hide still be valid?

That could be interesting...

GetOrfAKAMrsUsainBolt Wed 10-Oct-12 13:43:07

People don't read every post anyway and there is always some a degree of repetition on every thread - I don't think a small increase of repetition would harm the way threads read.

InfestationofLannisters Wed 10-Oct-12 13:43:18

"Full of wankers" grin

Are you okay BoF?

:head tilt:

Totally agree btw.

ShirleyRots Wed 10-Oct-12 13:43:48

People don't read every post anyway and repeat themselves.

wink at GOML. I would definitely hide myself. I am annoying

EleanorBloodBathsket Wed 10-Oct-12 13:44:17

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 13:44:27

The hider wouldnt know they were hidden.

As it is, many posters force themselves to go gozzy-eyed and skim over certain people's contributions as it is, recognising that engaging with wind-up merchants is futile anyway. Or they stay off the thread. It's really just an extension of Don't Feed The Troll, but personalised.

EleanorBloodBathsket Wed 10-Oct-12 13:45:56

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

GetOrfAKAMrsUsainBolt Wed 10-Oct-12 13:46:12

I don't want to educate the people I am thinking about - they are uneducatable and are here for one purpose - goading and wind ups.

I also don't care if they mend their ways - their card is marked, I will loathe them forever.

<harsh>

WereTricksPotter Wed 10-Oct-12 13:46:14

There's C&P too.

'Xxx, you said blahdibladioffensiveblahdibladishite'

Me, FFS! angry

WilfredToadflax Wed 10-Oct-12 13:46:29

Actually, please take back my previous post.
I'm with we're. I'd feel really hurt if I knew someone had hidden me.

Also, another thought, if I hid BOF (not that I would), if she changed her name, would the nc be hidden too, or just BOF?
If NCes would be hidden too, that could open up the opportunity to find out posters other names.
^^ that might make no sense at all blush

Only thing that occurs to me is the potential. For other people finding out you've hidden them - would this be expected to remin private.

Stealth: bof I think what you said was very witty and pertinent. Please can you just clarify your third point.
Bof: <comes on, has stealth hidden, ignores>. Nearly Christmas innit
Stealth: why are you ignoring me?
Bof: isn't it cold in the mornings these days?
Stealth: bof why are you ignoring me???
Someone else: she must have you hidden

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 13:50:36

The point Eleanor makes about sailing close to the wind is a good one too. MNHQ, don't you think that it would actually help posters stick to the Guidelines better, if they were able to make the posters who persistently twist their melons effectively invisible?

I can think of a few otherwise lovely and wonderful posters who are no longer here because they simply didn't manage to sit on their hands often enough with certain other MNers.

In parenting terms, dont you want to catch us being good? grin

SeveredEdMcDunnough Wed 10-Oct-12 13:51:26

I stay off clearly controversial threads anyway - I mean when someone is deliberately being a dick. It isn't worth it.

If those are the threads you find satisfying and wish to engage with then that's not something I feel MN should help you with (you generally, not you YOU)

The only people I'd hide are the ones I find really really odd, and miserable, and kind of despairing whatever anyone says. The ones that sound as if they are continually in tears and think the world is out to get them.

Only because they remind me of someone IRL. It isn't their fault if they are that way. It just pains me to read it.

Everyone else I don't see eye to eye with is either an engage-with-and-explain/argue, or an ignore and read a different thread as they are a tosser.

It's not that hard. And yes if someone repeated something I'd just said, on a thread, I'd be thinking 'have they hidden me?' and it would make me really worried, especially if I liked them/thought they were quite nice.

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 13:52:05

Ah, but Stealth, once I saw someone else comment to you, I could choose to unhide you and reassure you even if I was lying grin

GetOrfAKAMrsUsainBolt Wed 10-Oct-12 13:52:09

I wouldn't care if people hid me - I certainly wouldn't be hurt. If I piss people off that much it is good isn't it that I am hidden and can't annoy people any more. It will make Mumsnet all hearts and flowers and all unicorny and rainbowy.

BOF WHY ARE YOU IGNORING ME
grin

HoopDePoop Wed 10-Oct-12 13:53:27

I wouldn't want it. It's an inclusive site, in general, which self-moderates an amazing extent. You say it wouldn't be everyone hiding the same poster, but I think it could easily go that way on a lot of threads. Eg I think a lot of you know each other from previous threads and I'd be in all honesty too scared to post in case you all hid me <cries>

I don't like the whole 'Po' thing either while I'm at it probably because I am one - it is just sneering at people with different opinions and giving them a name to call them, like chav or something. It's a bit bullying IMO <leaves thread having mentioned the B word, will be laughed out of town>

Sigh. I'm feeling defensive here, but the point is that MN self-moderates. If enough people have an opinion on something, that becomes site wisdom. I actually can't think of any posters I'd hide. Plenty I vehemently disagree with, but why would I hide them? They have as much right to be a part of the conversation as I do.

WereTricksPotter Wed 10-Oct-12 13:54:34

Naaah, Wilf, I wouldn't give a frilly fuck if someone Hides me. Just shows I'm right and they can't bear it.

SeveredEdMcDunnough Wed 10-Oct-12 13:54:50

There is also the potential that a group of posters could have someone hidden, and that person might be unaware of this and enter a thread containing said group, and say something and be entirely ignored - it would be bullying by default wouldn't it?

I think Mumsnet is big enough for the hide poster option to be completely unremarkable - if you discovered you had been hidden by someone, you could always PM and ask them why - or, just shrug and get on with it, it's not such a big deal, there will be plenty of other people to engage with.

MissAnnersley Wed 10-Oct-12 13:55:44

I was so cross last night I would have been glad of a 'hide poster'. I was practically gibbering with rage. Logging in this morning I realize that it hadn't come across that way at all and I actually sounded calm and verging on the dull.

I am very glad I didn't have the option now as I did want to respond to the poster in question. I think what I'm saying is that sometimes it would be tempting to hide someone because you're angry and then not be able to respond properly.

Am quite sure that didn't make sense because I'm really just not sure what I think.

TheMightyRubester Wed 10-Oct-12 13:55:50

If I wanted likeminded people I would hang out with my RL friends.

I like my opinions to be challenged.

'When you find yourself on the side of the majority it is time to rethink and reflect'

SeveredEdMcDunnough Wed 10-Oct-12 13:56:13

I haven't read this Po stuff. I'm not sure I want to. Sounds horrible.

I'd be quite happy to think someone had hidden me especially if they were a twat

It is not bullying to be ignored on the internet shock my god the number of unanswered threads that are on the boards - and posts within threads that aren't responded to - to say you are bullying someone just because you do not directly address them is ludicrous.

SeveredEdMcDunnough Wed 10-Oct-12 13:57:26

Does it refer to people who take things seriously/ too seriously?

Or those who 'can't take a joke'? hmm

It's probably quite unlikely every single person on a thread would have the same person hidden though isn't it?

SeveredEdMcDunnough Wed 10-Oct-12 13:58:18

I didn't say that LITR. I was referring to a mass-ignoring which could happen sort of by accident.

It's different.

SeveredEdMcDunnough Wed 10-Oct-12 13:58:47

Yes perhaps unlikely though considering the off board stuff wot goes on from time to time, not unthinkable.

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 13:59:33

Lots of posters get ignored anyway, eecially newer ones, or people just repeating previously-made points. That isn't bullying; it's just the way of a fast-moving thread, and a reflection of people's ease directly addressing people they feel they already "know". Heck, sometimes people get ignored, then someone else makes the exact same point and gets lauded as a genius the bastards . Happens all the time, and it won't noticeably increase.

If other major forums manage this just fine with no hurt feelings, why can't we?

What off board stuff?

OhDeerHauntingFENTON Wed 10-Oct-12 14:01:37

I think though that if so many people had hidden the same poster on a thread that perhaps that person deserved to be ignored. I mean we're not going to go around hiding posters just because they are boring in a non-offensive sense are we?

::worried::

SeveredEdMcDunnough Wed 10-Oct-12 14:01:54

Do they though Bof? Have you seen it in action elsewhere? I would bet there are some side issues, or the format is sufficiently different to MN for the issues we'd get here not to be relevant, iyswim.

T&B - just when people all go off and discuss a thread on FB or something. I don't know if it still happens. I don't do FB.

I might hide everyone and just chat away to myself.
That could be quite amusing.

WereTricksPotter Wed 10-Oct-12 14:02:39

A Hide Yourself (from a particular poster) option would be ok. Or make it mutual, like blocking on FB.

SeveredEdMcDunnough Wed 10-Oct-12 14:02:56

I think there are more important/relevant reasons why it would be a bad idea though. It was only a minor point. (about mass ignoring)

Oh FB. I don't do FB

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 14:03:05

The Po stuff is tongue-in-cheek, and refers mainly to people who get annoyed by certain regulars having a banter on threads and going off-topic.

This would help those people too.

Instead of starting threads to moan about bullies and cliques and hurting other people's feelings by doing so (yes, regulars have feelings too), they can selectively hide the people they consider to be the worst offenders and contribute to the thread as they see fit.

Everybody would be happier.

SeveredEdMcDunnough Wed 10-Oct-12 14:04:33

Oh that'll be me then. I knew it would, somehow...that's the sort of name people used to call me when I was a kid and didn't agree with bullying...

sigh

thanks for elaborating, Bof

OhDeerHauntingFENTON Wed 10-Oct-12 14:05:38

Oh gawd not the off board shout-outs on FB again, please.

I doesn't happen, - not among nice MNers, anyway.

HoopDePoop Wed 10-Oct-12 14:06:01

But MN is so easy and clear, so friendly and welcoming. I am not a particularly sociable animal irl and suffer from social anxiety.

An 'ignore poster' button is like turning your back on someone entering the room, if you think of MN as a dinner party with thousands of tables to which everyone is welcome. Just move table/thread if someone is annoying you, it is such a huge site. If I get into a bunfight in say Feminism, I'll go hang out in S and B for a bit, or find an unanswered thread in Chat.

I never get the PMs calling me onto a certain thread like others allegedly do. I feel very sad that no one lines me and probably has hidden me already by magic.

D0oinMeCleanin Wed 10-Oct-12 14:08:17

Tantrums there are secret clubs away from MN. Everyone is in at least three. You are just popular enough wink grin

I suspect you and I would hide the same poster grin

And yy to hide poster option.

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 14:09:50

EdMc, I'm not referring to you personally at all, I promise. There is a thread like that started at least once a week. You might not find them all, as they are usually in Chat, and often get deleted as the fur flies. If I have offended you, I am very sorry.

Anyway, the Po thing is a diversion (says me, ironically trying to keep this on-topic). I am trying to sound people out on the Hide Poster button, not drag up rows or feuds.

And my point is that those feuds would markedly reduce with the HP button.

HoopDePoop Wed 10-Oct-12 14:09:58

I am a 'reg' in the sense that I'm on here daily and have been here for about 5 years, but I namechange a lot. I still get really irritated when a group of people who seem to think they rule MN decide that whatever the OP is talking about isn't to their taste so they go wildly off-topic with banter intended to exclude usually the OP and possibly others. If that makes me someone you'd call names then so be it.

Yes I suspect we would d0oin grin

I've never wanted to hide anyone quite so much!

I am in no secret club. It's just all wrong

SeveredEdMcDunnough Wed 10-Oct-12 14:10:53

Good, Fenton. I'm glad it doesn't happen. I know it used to.

SeveredEdMcDunnough Wed 10-Oct-12 14:12:18

Not at all Bof - I took it as an explanation, not as though you had invented it smile

It just seems very familiar to be called something demeaning for being too serious/lacking in sense of humour etc etc.

As you were, anyway.

HoopDePoop Wed 10-Oct-12 14:12:36

I think the 'Po' thing is relevant though because it's deciding that a poster or a few posters are not worth a presence on the site in your eyes. In my view, everyone is equal to MNHQ, on the site and via the namechange facility, to each other. MN is a valuable open debating space.

scurryfunge Wed 10-Oct-12 14:12:59

Do you think it would lead to speculation about who gets hidden on threads?

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 14:13:57

Hoop- I disagree. I really feel annoyed at having to stick to the most anodyne of topics just because one or two people are drawn to the more interesting ones who make my blood boil. Or, to take a more serious example, the anti-feminist trolls who derail discussion in FWR: yes, I could walk away, but it is their intention to close down debate, and why should I? Yet if I stay, I have to see their continuous just-below-deletion-level goading, which is often deeply upsetting on threads about rape or domestic violence, for example.

SeveredEdMcDunnough Wed 10-Oct-12 14:14:50

I can see it would be useful in that situation Bof.

Yes hoop but on a lot of threads the subject matter is chosen to cause an argument. So instead of actually feeding into that some people chat away about scones or paint or anything really.

Everyone is not always going to agree. Threads go off on tangents sometimes, but that's ok isn't it? Or do we have to have 1000 post sticking to the exact subject?

People have different personalities, some people deliberately try and piss people off, some people are offended by literally any thing, some posters share the same sense of humor.

So just hide the people you think are twats. Easy peasy.

OhDeerHauntingFENTON Wed 10-Oct-12 14:18:07

I think you are probably right Ed, that it used to, but since it was outed as a thing that might have happened no-one would really want to be that person, and therefore it died a death.

I know that if anyone sent me a pm calling me in I would most definitely think a lot less of them. And no-one has ever done so btw.

WereTricksPotter Wed 10-Oct-12 14:19:02

I'd bet my bottom dollar that there would be I'm Hiding you, Xxxxx....ner! posts sprouting up as parting shots on threads all over the place.

Thus creating division and possibly leading to derailment while posters pile in and debate the Hiding, rather than the thread topic.

SeveredEdMcDunnough Wed 10-Oct-12 14:19:45

Fenton - worse to get a PM saying 'I thought you should know...they are tearing you apart on facebook'.

Anyway...enough about that. I'm on the fence for this thing now. I wonder if it would be outrageously difficult for them to do a trial period?

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 14:20:10

If people were stupid enough to just hit Hide willy-nilly, then they'd end up with the equivalent of a Facebook group, or the decidedly dull-sounding moldies group, if it still exists.

I agree that the beauty of MN lies in its diversity, and I think most people think like that. I rather suspect that a Hide button would very rarely be used: it certainly wouldn't be likely to just exclude people who weren't your close mates, I think we are all more sensible than that.

But in the cases where the occasional poster NEVER FAILS to rile and upset you, it would make using the site ten times more enjoyable and user-friendly.

HoopDePoop Wed 10-Oct-12 14:20:29

But that example is something that HQ should deal with. Several of the radfems have historically called anyone who doesn't agree with them rape apologists and so on, I've been called that, a troll, an MRA, a handmaiden and so on on there - it's a good example as part of the site that needs all members openly posting to stop one group keeping it on one fixed agenda, iyswim. Trolls - yes, but it's HQ's role to deal with them.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed Wed 10-Oct-12 14:20:45

I'd like to have a hide button. I wouldn't use it very often but, you know, just in case it was needed.

They have one on a site DH and I use, it makes the whole site a lot more pleasant, and I do use it (the site) more. However, the downside is, on onee of the sections DH visits there's a chap who hides anyone who disagrees with him - this is almost everyone. So now when he posts people do reply but he can't see them, so posts a long succession of messages asking why everyone is ignoring him hmm

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 14:21:40

Perhaps it would reassure people that it wouldn't be over-used if you had to log into MyMumsnet and spend a few minutes arsefarting around with your password to put someone on your Blocked/Hidden list?

OhDeerHauntingFENTON Wed 10-Oct-12 14:22:24

Have you had that then Ed? or anyone else you know of on here?

TunipTheVegemal Wed 10-Oct-12 14:22:52

I am in favour.

My brother created one for a site he frequents because he was fed up with people being personal instead of discussing the matter in hand. What he found was that having made it available to everyone he hardly ever has to use it: where he wanted to hide Person X and Person Y because they were always getting at each other, what happened was that they hid each other so the rows just didn't happen as much.

I wouldn't want it to go to the extremes of Facebook where you can block people so they can't see you as well as you not seeing them - now that's confusing.

SeveredEdMcDunnough Wed 10-Oct-12 14:23:51

Yes...long time ago though.

Absy Wed 10-Oct-12 14:24:38

I'm pro. In fact, having this facility on FB has revolutionised my life. Annoying person who I don't want to defriend so I don't look like a friendless muppet, I can just hide. So for the people are annoying because they seemingly spend their lives playing bejewelled blitz and sharing posters with pictures of sad puppies GONE. And, for people who really make my blood boil (I'm thinking about someone in particular) GONE unless my blood pressures feeling low, then quick unhide and BOOM! I get angry and annoyed and feel much better for it.

I agree that it's shouldn't be for hiding everyone, willy nilly, just people who really annoy you.

And, once it's on MN, I would like it in RL, thank you very much.

HoopDePoop Wed 10-Oct-12 14:25:30

Hmm I just can't think of anyone who upsets me so much I want to hide them. As Shirley said upthread, I'd not be able to help myself wanting to know what they'd posted! The most colourful and extreme characters are who I look forward to reading, whether I agree or not.

I thunk there's an interesting divide between people who namechange and people who want to maintain a persona on here, too. I keep reading 'Mn ain't what it used to be' threads where people say they don't open threads unless they know the OP, or avoid threads by specific posters, and I just think 'really?!' I barely notice names on most threads, I see it as anonymous Internet debate.

No, I don't think people would hide everyone apart from the people they liked.
But there are certain topics and subjects that get way out of control because a specific person posts things that are designed to wind people up. And then the rest of the thread is taken up by someone arguing that point with that poster and the person who wanted genuine advice doesn't get it all because someone wants to go out of their way to start an argument. And not a lighthearted topic.

If you have the option to hide that person, the op might actually end up getting good advice, rather than the question getting lost.

frasersmummy Wed 10-Oct-12 14:27:32

I can see it ending in a bun fight ..

someone gets ignored and someone comes along and says the same thing and they get a reply
original respondent.. I just said that ...
no reply
right so you have me hidden.. lovely .. goes off to hide the person hiding them

Then as someone said earlier there will be comments like .. thats it i'm hiding you so i cant see what you are saying any more

or worse .. when there are 3 aor 4 people vehemently disagreeing with one poster who doesnt want to conceded their point of view .. someone will say at some point .. lets all just hide that poster and let her talk to herself... and when that happens watch the boards go nuts

OhDeerHauntingFENTON Wed 10-Oct-12 14:27:47

But in the cases where the occasional poster NEVER FAILS to rile and upset you, it would make using the site ten times more enjoyable and user-friendly.

yes this is exactly how I would use it.

There's a poster for instance that 9 times out of 10 I have polar opposite views too, and whatever I have posted or was about to post is the night to her day. But that doesn't mean I would want to hide her comments because although I don't hardly ever agree with her it doesn't bother or irritate me, - more amuses me at just how different we are.

And then that 1 out of 10 post that we agree on I wouldn't want to miss grin

Viviennemary Wed 10-Oct-12 14:28:46

I'm probably quite irritating. Just as much on Mumsnet as in real life. grin Still it is better to read all opinions because what's the point of everybody agreeing. And I'm sure when and if people are very offensive Mumsnet sorts it out.

CagneyNLacey Wed 10-Oct-12 14:29:14

I read and participated in one of the bi-weekly HORRIBLE threads today and would dearly love to be able to hide several people now. Not due to any actual interaction with them, just because I dont want to ever have to interact with them on any topic, no matter how nice and pleasant it is, in future. I dont want to accidentally exchange pleasantries with a terrible person because my memory is shit.

I also think you should institute 'Hell Bans' for trolls so they carry on posting, oblivious to the fact that nobody can see them.

WereTricksPotter Wed 10-Oct-12 14:31:53

Hell Bans sound interesting! grin

meditrina Wed 10-Oct-12 14:35:46

Well, having been led to the conclusion that I am a widely disliked poster (posts usually ignored or decried, plus accusations such as HoopDePoop mentions), I assume I would be hidden by many.

I don't think 'hide poster' is a good option, but if it happens it'll be interesting to see how much difference it makes (just ignored, perhaps?)

D0oinMeCleanin Wed 10-Oct-12 14:36:01

But sometimes it's not that they are offensive or trolling (although I have my suspicions) it's just that some posters are so wrong, so often in such stupid ways that as Tantrums said the whole thread gets derailed by people, to begin calmly, trying to explain their viewpoint and getting shot down by someone who refuses to see what a muppet they are.

I'm sure it happens in all topics, not just the ones I use.

Some posters seem to go out of their way to upset whole groups of people with utter nonsense.

I don't think it would effect MN for the worse, a lot of posters tend to stick to a few topics, so the regulars in FWR would hide their muppets, the people in the doghouse would hide their muppets, the people in SN would hide theirs etc. and posters would be able to enjoy 'their' topics again without it being ruined by just one poster.

CagneyNLacey Wed 10-Oct-12 14:39:40

grin WereTricks, I'm glad you posted that because I often kill threads with a single post and then worry that I've had a Hell Ban for being so rubbish.

I'm for it.

HoopDePoop Wed 10-Oct-12 14:42:08

I just think I must be using a different MN to some of you! I have never been so wound up by another poster that I have held a grudge against them. Which is what a 'hide poster' button would be, a grudge button.

And sometimes if I have got into a gunfight or I know I have been a dick, I namechange. It's like a whole new chance. And sometimes I magically become erudite and witty. Usually fades quickly, but I like the risk-free posting iyswim - I say what I really think on here in eg FWR or whatever, because I know if it all goes tits up I can nc. Is that such a bad thing?

I am talking about nc-ing because I think it's an important facility for many users of MN, although I recognise most posters on this thread as people who only nominally nc to maintain their persona. If you hid a poster, I'd assume you'd want it to cover namechanges the poster made too.

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 14:43:10

Excellent points, Dooin.

Meditrina, I think you are perhaps being a bit over-sensitive. There is a huge difference between just disagreeing with people and actively and persistently offending and upsetting them, which I'm sure you don't do. Some of the louder types deliberately use the site like that and relish pissing people off.

I wouldn't even hide all of them, to be honest, as I'm sure it would rule them more if I were to occasionally acknowledge them with a studiously polite reply...

Which probably makes me the kind of wanker they should hide grin

WidescreenGoat Wed 10-Oct-12 14:44:42

It would be great for AIBU.

I could start a thread being as unreasonable as fuck.

Then hide everyone who tells me I am unreasonable.

The only posts remaining would be my agree-ers.

I would be supreme and never be unreasonable ever in my head

I like this grin

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 14:45:33

Oh, and of people are worried that there would be a lot of childish threats made to hide posters, that could be reportable, and their ability to do so suspended. It falls under the definition of goading, anyway, doesn't it? So it would get deleted.

See? There are ways to make this work.

TunipTheVegemal Wed 10-Oct-12 14:45:34

I do think it would be awful & damage the site if people used 'I'm ignoring you!' as a weapon, but it could easily become MN Etiquette that people don't. Likewise, if 'Who have you got hidden?' threads were started, they would need to be deleted pronto.

CagneyNLacey Wed 10-Oct-12 14:47:21

I actually cant think of anyone who is deliberately vile lately. There used to be 2 in aibu on every. single. thread. but one stopped posting and the other suddenly became quite reasonable about things.

WereTricksPotter Wed 10-Oct-12 14:47:59

Hmmm, Reportable, but posts are often left to stand for ages so the damage would already have been done.

Hullygully Wed 10-Oct-12 14:48:39

WHO D'YWANNA HIDE BOFFY?

Hullygully Wed 10-Oct-12 14:49:59

I can't see why not have it.

I don't care about it poissonally, but them what do could use it, them what don't not.

Loads of threads don't make sense with deletions anyway <bitter>

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 14:50:00

Hoop- we do use a different MN, every single one of us.

There are already a range of customisable options which individuals use, including hiding threads and topics.

And people want different things from it, and use it in different ways.

The diversity is part of its appeal.

So why can't I use it in a way that makes it more pleasurable for me? Why do I have to do as you do, not look at posters' names, regularly change my own, etc?

Nobody is forcing you to make use of a Hide Poster button, as it wouldn't be useful to you. But if several people say that they would like it, that doesn't make them wrong. It just means they want to continue to use MN in a way which suits their preference rather than yours.

BlameItOnTheCuervForHumanBlood Wed 10-Oct-12 14:51:44

I've always been vocally against the hide poster. However, now I'd love it. I don't want to have to hide whole topics to avoid certain posters, and it would reduce the amount of work for mnhq.

Some posters are cunts. And I try to ignore them, but eventually I bite, and get a rap on the knuckles.

Some people can't be educated. Some people won't. And some people start disingeneous threads purely to stir up bad feeling.

TunipTheVegemal Wed 10-Oct-12 14:51:59

Anyone who hides and then talks about it could have their hiding privileges suspended.

scurryfunge Wed 10-Oct-12 14:52:38

I'm on the fence. I think we should have a trial.

OhDeerHauntingFENTON Wed 10-Oct-12 14:53:11

Ha, I do recall seeing one or two 'who here really pisses you off?" threads over the years - they don't last long at all. Even the 'who's your favourite MNetter' ones have been known to go a bit sour.

StewieGriffinsMom Wed 10-Oct-12 14:53:16

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

mumnosGOLDisbest Wed 10-Oct-12 14:53:19

for me it would be pointless. curiosity killed the cat and all that. my sensible head would hide a poster but i'm gemini and have a feisty side i think i'd have to peek to see what i was missing. also if everyone else could see the hidden posts you could end up looking silly or missing a point. you can't debate/talk and only hear what you want to hear or whats the point. also you'll get sarci comments from the 'hidden' - oh she couldnt take any criticism, she's hidden me... and you wont know. some very sensible person said in a 'bullying culture' thread she doesn't get involved in topics close to her heart unless she's on a serious trusted forum. good advice i think smile

Hullygully Wed 10-Oct-12 14:53:20

<really wants to know who people want to hide. pms please. unless it's me. which it obviously isn't because I'm so lovable>

whistlestopcafe Wed 10-Oct-12 14:53:40

Why would you want such a facility?

In what way would it enhance MN?

As someone once said - keep your friends close and your enemies even closer.

I can't see the point of such a facility and you just know it will lead to even more cries of cliques etc. Just mentally ignore them if they annoy you so much.

greenhill Wed 10-Oct-12 14:54:09

...and no one would need a <hypothetical> spreadsheet for repeat offenders: who by deliberately missing the point of a discussion, attack for the sake of attack, or who are downright insensitive after someone has just shared some particularly harrowing personal story that is relevant to the discussion in hand and manage to offend so many people on the thread that it kills it.

Hullygully Wed 10-Oct-12 14:56:11

OH THAT ONE...fair dos.

BlameItOnTheCuervForHumanBlood Wed 10-Oct-12 14:56:57

I would enjoy minute more. You could link it to report poster, so that you can't just hide willy nilly.

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 14:58:45

Whistle, I think I've explained why I believe it would enhance MN, especially in my OP, and I've added further to it throughout the thread.

TunipTheVegemal Wed 10-Oct-12 15:00:10

Hey I've had an idea. Instead of hiding people you could SHRINK them, so their writing went really tiny. And the more times you hit 'shrink' the smaller they would go. It would be deeply satisfying.

Absy Wed 10-Oct-12 15:00:25

It would lower the collective blood pressure of FWR, that's for sure. They'd all be hiding the wank socks* all over the place, and end up having calm and reasonable discussions amongst themselves

*wank socks are MRA sock puppets

Hullygully Wed 10-Oct-12 15:01:08

And that one?

Hmmm?

I suppose so, yes.

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 15:01:45

Tunip- get your brother on that code IMMEDIATELY grin

RubyCreakingGates Wed 10-Oct-12 15:01:56

It seems to work well enough on another site I frequent. I'm sure no-one knows, or cares that I have hidden them.

I have only had to resort to the hide option once or twice, and I don't see that it is any different from not answering calls when caller display shows someone you just don't have the energy to talk to.

And yes, the unhide post is quite useful if the thread makes no sense without the offending poster's contribution. No one seems to have been childish enough to have started an "I've got you hidden" thread there either.

OatyBeatie Wed 10-Oct-12 15:03:07

Wouldn't it be a bit ham-fisted to add a post to a thread when you had chosen to blindfold yourself to some of the content on the thread? You wouldn't just be missing the posts of the hidden poster, you would be missing part of the context, and therefore part or all of the meaning, of other posts that might be a response to the hidden poster.

Threads here are structured by conversation. And we aren't all participating in the same conversation if we don't all see the same contributions.

A site that can be personalised by users who choose who they want to read and who they don't want to read surely needs to be one like Twitter, where there is no sense that we are all participating in the same conversations, with contributions of each available to all, because our timelines are shaped, not by conversation-topic at all but by personal affiliations.

Personal affiliation only seems workable way of shaping what you read on a site in cases where there is no aspiration to sustained conversations organised by subject matter. I'm sure the hide poster option would erode MN's ability to pursue discussions. Threads would be more likely to break up into little friendship groups each following their own fracture line.

TunipTheVegemal Wed 10-Oct-12 15:03:14

Trouble is, BoF, he wouldn't know how to do it for IPads or mobile devices and so many people use those to access Mumsnet these days grin

WereTricksPotter Wed 10-Oct-12 15:03:16

Excellent idea, Tunip! So if they were only Quite A Lot Irritating they could be very small and if they were Totally Irritating they would just disappear grin

Absy Wed 10-Oct-12 15:05:22

I foresee that if this does happen, there will be some threads in AIBU where it will be Group A of people, who have hidden Group B talking amongst themselves, and Group B who have hidden Group A and some poor newbies coming on and going "what the JEFF?"

It will be hilarious

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed Wed 10-Oct-12 15:10:05

OatyBeatie There is the danger that it could fracture discussion, but on the site I mentioned above it doesn't seem to. The example I gave of the poster who hid almost everyone is a one-off. Most people only use it for the seriously egregious, and the quality of conversations has gone up.

CelineMcBean Wed 10-Oct-12 15:10:45

I agree. I had to actually hide all posters (as in fuck off) for a while because I was finding some of the nobbishness too much. I have also hidden so much of the site that other than _chat my active convos consists of random stuff like fishnet, the doghouse and pregnancy. Which I must get round to hiding too...

Previously brilliant boards have become a no-go area and I think a hide option would help.

Besides, my shit-list is now so long I cannot afford the laminating any more.

I have started screening threads using the 'who started' and 'last post' in active convos. If I spot a good egg I might join in but more often than not it's twuntyBollocks posting some offensive shite again with nobbyMcnobberson coming on just to be vile. I am wearing out the "hide thread" button and logged out Activ Convos looks like fricking Bounty only with better grammar!

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 15:11:36

I think it's useful to get people's experiences of how it actually works on other sites, thanks Saskia.

D0oinMeCleanin Wed 10-Oct-12 15:11:46

Absy, that happens anyway. Haven't you ever read the "What's all this about free goatsand Pom Bears, then? And what's a Cod? And where is the river of sweetcorn, I wanna visit it?" threads?

Even what the jeff is a MNism. MN can be a foreign language until you get used to it. I first joined after reading a thread on racism and become convinced that YABU (which in my head said yarboo) was fancy term for racist scum blush It took me ages to work it out.

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 15:13:28

That NobbyMcNobberson sure does get around grin

Absy Wed 10-Oct-12 15:14:05

It's an MNism? Man I've been here too long. I'm brainwashed. I swear I've seen that in RL.

True. They are like that now.

PanonOlympus Wed 10-Oct-12 15:26:06

I'd like a hide button. The recent expansion of 'punishable' offences to include 'goading' of groups or individuals hasn't been applied exactly, umm...comprehensively, or fairly, and a hide button for particular posters who get right up both nostrils would be a welcolme addition. And 'enhance the posting experience'. (vom)
<prepares list in anticipation, realises there's only 4 posters not on it. grin>

OatyBeatie Wed 10-Oct-12 15:27:02

lol at the laminating costs of a too-long shit-list. I suppose that of all documents it is particularly important that a shit-list should have a wipe-clean surface.

I don't really see anyone I want to hide, just very little that I actually want to read.

CelineMcBean Wed 10-Oct-12 15:36:57

I need to be able to wipe the bits of spleen off Oaty wink

usualsuspect3 Wed 10-Oct-12 15:39:50

I would use a hide poster button in a strop, then unhide them because I wouldn't want to miss anything.

I would like a HP option though.

GetOrfAKAMrsUsainBolt Wed 10-Oct-12 15:57:47

I know myself and know that I would hide a poster and then in a fit of curiosity would unhide it to read the sanctimonious posturings and get all riled up until I hide them again. What a loser I am etc.

There is only ONE person I want to hide anyway, the fucker.

usualsuspect3 Wed 10-Oct-12 15:59:19

I would be hiding and unhiding all bloody day grin

Hullygully Wed 10-Oct-12 15:59:37

Why not just tell them what an arsing fuckhead they are there and then?

Use Justine's formula: That post makes you sound like an arsing fuckhead (and here's why) TPMYSLAAF

ShirleyRots Wed 10-Oct-12 16:00:30

<narrows eyes at GOML>

usualsuspect3 Wed 10-Oct-12 16:01:10

I would call them an arsing fuckhead and then hide them in a cowardly way grin

Hullygully Wed 10-Oct-12 16:02:20

Oo yes call them an arsing fuckhead and then hide them so they can't retaliate, good plan.

Absy Wed 10-Oct-12 16:04:38

"TPMYSLAAF"

Eh?

Hullygully Wed 10-Oct-12 16:08:00

Justine's approved formula.

That post makes you sound like an arseing fuckhead.

Asmywhimsytakesme Wed 10-Oct-12 16:09:31

I would like this.

Oh not yours absy that what it stands for grin

Absy Wed 10-Oct-12 16:10:08

s'alright. I got what you meant.

Hullygully Wed 10-Oct-12 16:10:23

Altho it did make you sound a bit fick TPMYSABF

TPMYSLAC

I prefer that one.

Although not directed at anyone here obviously.

Absy Wed 10-Oct-12 16:12:00

TPMYASF

Hullygully Wed 10-Oct-12 16:12:12

TPMYSLACauliflower?

Yep. That one.

lisad123 Wed 10-Oct-12 16:14:04

See when they delete posts from poster being a twat it doesn't read right anyways, don't see the difference.
<off to make list of people I want to block wink

InTheNightGarden Wed 10-Oct-12 16:14:39

yes please smile

GetOrfAKAMrsUsainBolt Wed 10-Oct-12 16:26:27

My proudest moment on mumsnet (saying to someone 'oh piss off you semi literate div') was deleted in a matter of MOMENTS by Justine.

Of course you are not numero uno on my shitlist shirl, you flaming great gullah.

plus3 Wed 10-Oct-12 16:26:47

I would personally like a "i have acheived zen-like calm in the face of fucknuggetry" badge please.

I would find it very useful.

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 16:28:24

34 in favour

4 against

5 not sure

So far...

Absy Wed 10-Oct-12 16:30:04

I would love to achieve that zenlike calm.

I am totally trying - every time I have an argument in my head with some fucknugget who's annoying me I think "Are they as concerned about this as you are? Are THEY actually getting riled up about an imaginary conversation? Probably not" and then I try to stop.

It's very hard.

Hullygully Wed 10-Oct-12 16:31:37

TPDMYSVB

ArterialSpurtMonkey Wed 10-Oct-12 16:31:49

I would LOVE THIS. honestly. It would put a massive spring in my step. Oh please please please can we have this?

GetOrfAKAMrsUsainBolt Wed 10-Oct-12 16:32:49

What the bloody hell do all those letters mean you lot?

Very boring?

Absy Wed 10-Oct-12 16:35:49

TPMYSLAAF = apparently That post makes you sound like an arseing fuckhead
TPMYSLAC = that post makes you sound like a [rude word deleted by Mumsnet]
TPMYASF = that post makes your arse sound fat
TPDMYSVB = no freaking clue

Hullygully Wed 10-Oct-12 16:36:42

TPDMYSVB = That post doesn't make you sound very Buddhist

CelineMcBean Wed 10-Oct-12 16:37:16

This poster has chosen to hide her posts

ArterialSpurtMonkey Wed 10-Oct-12 16:56:58

Seriously, I would have to sue mn for RSI related problems actually, caused by repeated and prolonged hitting of the hide button. I skimmed the George Osborne thread the other day and just YEARNED for a hide wanker poster button. Or a giant automated slapping glove.

SrirachaGhoul Wed 10-Oct-12 17:02:18

I can't imagine getting cross enough with anyone that I would want to permanently silence them...the differences of opinions and backgrounds is what makes MN so colourful. I occasionally feel mildly aggravated with certain nutters individuals on some of my favourite topics but tbh, that's part of the fun and what keeps me coming back. I even look forward to reading posts from people who I heartily disagree with just because they are such characters and I admire their vociferous defense of their erroneous position. wink. I'm even quite fond of the (nice) trolls.

I Vote 'NO' to Hide Poster button.

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 17:04:05

I think I'd only hide one or two, maybe even nobody at the moment. If I were to use it for every single "I Speak My Mind And It Doesn't Take Me Long" poster, I'd miss some golden opportunities for just curling my lip. Life can be too smooth sometimes. I'd only use it for the persistently irksome.

ArterialSpurtMonkey Wed 10-Oct-12 17:05:02

Oh I have a List in mind already. it is quite epic.

ArterialSpurtMonkey Wed 10-Oct-12 17:05:37

Rofl at 'I speak my mind and it doesn't take me long' btw

Coming late to this, but please dear gods of Mumsnet HQ grant this wish.

Instead of getting pissed off / banging my head on my desk repeatedly / reporting / having to read the posts of the most credulous of thickos, I could just hide said poster instead.

I could trip lightly and happily across the boards surrounded by a sea of serenity.

Qwertyytrewq Wed 10-Oct-12 17:14:22

I like to hear other people's views, no matter how much I disagree with them.

I think MN would be boring with a hide poster option.

And paranoia levels would rise.

usualsuspect3 Wed 10-Oct-12 17:18:00

I expect this thread has already made paranoia levels rise.

SrirachaGhoul Wed 10-Oct-12 17:18:44

Exactly sad.

D0oinMeCleanin Wed 10-Oct-12 17:19:53

There is only one poster I'd hide. Other posters annoy me, but not quite so much as this one.

Qwertyytrewq Wed 10-Oct-12 17:22:38

Paranoia test.

There's one poster on this thread I'd definitely hide.

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 17:25:17

That is unfortunate if true, about the paranoia levels, but most people have nothing to worry about. You are probably taking yourself a bit seriously if you think people will be frantically hitting the Hide Poster key. The people who will be hidden most frequently are far more likely to be the ones with the hide of a rhino, who neither care that they wind people up, nor whether they are hidden or not. Basically, it's unlikely to be something that need concern you, unless you know for a fact that you merrily traipse through threads being as cunty as possible. Nobody is going to get hidden for being a bit dull, or holding a different opinion, or not being "cool" enough. You'd have to be a persistent pain in the flaps.

SrirachaGhoul Wed 10-Oct-12 17:25:27

See the problem? This is the part where things start to get unpleasant.

I wouldnt say there is any poster that I have a pressing need to hide but I would like to have the option if the need arises, so like i said upthread im for it.

I also like Tunips idea about shrinkage.

And ive also seen Artex's list, it is indeed epic, infact she'd only ever see three people's posts. wink

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 17:26:16

You in the general sense of the word, obviously.

Qwertyytrewq Wed 10-Oct-12 17:27:48

Well I don't agree with you.

<<Hides poster>>

D0oinMeCleanin Wed 10-Oct-12 17:30:16

I am quite probably dull most of the time but the people who I like interacting with on MN seem to be responsive so I'm sure they wouldn't hide my posts. I know of one person who definitely would, but that's fine. We could skip merrily around MN blissfully unaware of each other smile

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 17:31:42

Qwerty (if indeed you are still reading smile), you would be deleted for saying that, as goading. And you would have the hassle of logging into MyMumsnet every time you disagreed with a poster if you were really set on hiding them. I doubt you could be arsed, could you, for a minor disagreement on one thread?

So you are exaggerating a bit on the problems this would cause.

Qwertyytrewq Wed 10-Oct-12 17:32:55

Who said that?

fanjoforthemammaries Wed 10-Oct-12 17:33:42

i'm too nosey to hide anyone, would keep unhiding them to see what tripe they had come out with

MissHuffy Wed 10-Oct-12 17:39:44

I'd love a "hide poster" option.

For those not wanting it, perhaps just don't use it?

FrankensteinWippery Wed 10-Oct-12 17:40:04

I'd hide you all and talk to myself.

MissHuffy Wed 10-Oct-12 17:40:57

grin

usualsuspect3 Wed 10-Oct-12 17:41:33

Would all their name changes be hidden as well?

fanjoforthemammaries Wed 10-Oct-12 17:47:21

ok i want to hide MissHuffy for being smarter than me and coming up with that suggestion grin

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 17:52:41

I don't think that name changes would be hidden, no, or it would out people, wouldn't it?

ScreamingNaanAndGoryOn Wed 10-Oct-12 17:54:09

TBH I'd only hide those on the permanent wind up.

I'd still like the chance to do it though.

There's only one person who I would hide forever and ever and ever.

Just one.

And I would request they hide me as well.

FangsGoForTheMaidensThroat Wed 10-Oct-12 17:59:11

I so want to know who you are all meaning (probably me)

JenaiMarrHePlaysGuitar Wed 10-Oct-12 18:02:00

BOF that's one reason why the hide poster function would't be that great; either it wouldn't work because people namechange a lot, or it would out namechangers unfairly.

The only posts I've ever wanted to hide were enitire threads; you can of course do that but they still appear in the Most Active box. Without wishing to get all maudlin (it was a long time ago and I'm fine now) when I had my miscarriage the last thing I wanted to see was the newest chirpy name of my antenatal club thread popping up top right hand corner.

I can assure you it is not anyone on this thread.

I would like this. I don't normally get worked up over differences of opinion but there is one poster who really ruffles my feathers. Haven't seen her about for a while now I think of it, but if I came across her again I'd hide her. She may have nc though.

I don't think you'd be able to have automatic hiding of people who nc. It would defeat the purpose. If I had hidden only one poster called X, and there's a thread with a hidden poster called Y, then it's not hard to work out the nc.

Oops. Cross post.

D0oinMeCleanin Wed 10-Oct-12 18:06:44

Generally when people NC it is to protect their normal persona, so you'd only need to hide the persona that annoys you anyway, there'd be no need to also hide the name changes, unless they went on to be equally annoying under the NC, then you hide that persona too.

TunipTheVegemal Wed 10-Oct-12 18:16:31

Best thing is not to have to log into My Mumsnet. Just put an 'ignore' button next to the 'report' 'message poster' buttons. Make it as easy as poss and then when someone namechanges and you notice it's them you can re-hide them easily. You can also unhide easily when you calm down.

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 18:20:36

That's true, Tunip. Easy come, easy go might be better. Allows tempers to cool.

BlameItOnTheCuervForHumanBlood Wed 10-Oct-12 18:39:39

If the hidee namechanges, they will still make your eyes itch, so you hide them again.

Simple.

mamapower Wed 10-Oct-12 19:07:10

I haven't really posted for almost 2 years now but am starting to have the time now to read and contribute towards more and more threads. I have noticed that there are certainly more posters who seem to be 'looking for a fight' in that they say things they know will insight controversy or are just plain old nasty. However, MN is becoming a bigger and bigger community and with that, as in RL, comes a greater diversity of believes and opinions and knobheaded attention seekers. We won't all get on, we won't all agree, that's life. If someone is a total fuckwit and is clearly attention seeking, I think they are just best ignored. If we start censoring we remove a persons freedom of speech, and that, IMHO is a slippery slope to a community that I for one, would not wish to be a part of. MNHQ seem quite swift to react to threads/posters or are reported for being offensive etc, I think that's really all we can/should expect/want.

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 19:13:28

It's not censoring anybody though, it is precisely as you say, ignoring them. It just makes it much easier.

greenhill Wed 10-Oct-12 19:21:18

Even though I completely agree with free speech and paraphrase the quote attributed to Voltaire "I disagree with everything you say, but will defend to the death, your right to say it"; sometimes some people are just being obnoxious for the sake of it and I would prefer to not have to read some of the more goading, taunting or just plain bad mannered comments masquerading as being part of a genuine discussion.

Only recently have I started to report comments, after 5 years on the site, as IMO some posters are sailing close to the wind in terms of nastiness / shit stirring and have learnt how to be as offensive as possible, whilst still remaining within the Talk Guidelines.

OliviaLMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 10-Oct-12 19:42:40

Ahem
I am not sure the words arsing fuckhead were used. hmm

NB I am yet to read this full thread and will get back to you in a bit (inbox overdrive)

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 20:21:54

But we all knew that that's what Justine meant wink

See hide poster would be perfect for those arseholes that manage to stay just on the right side of talk guidelines yet still piss you off.

So instead of needlessly reporting arseholes we could just hide arseholes which will in turn make your inbox seem a lot more attractive, manageable and much less hectic Olivia.

TunipTheVegemal Wed 10-Oct-12 20:24:45

Ferret - EXACTLY.

HotheadPaisan Wed 10-Oct-12 20:27:00

Adding my support, I have used a script on here that does this and it works.

Still want email notifications of updates too please, need things to be more push than pull.

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 20:30:09

If there were a universally-available script which would do this, I would never darken MNHQ's door again over this issue. I've never been able to access one, unfortunately, as I MN from an iPad or my phone.

I can only imagine the bliss, Hothead sad

HotheadPaisan Wed 10-Oct-12 20:50:17

It was amazing for keeping a discussion on track, for those discussions people want to be on track.

No-one is owed a response, you can't make people answer you so they can assume you've hidden them all they like, might not reply if I do see some things aimed at me.

Had one the other day state he'd won the argument because I would not respond to his demands that I answer him. He could assume all he liked in the future, I wouldn't see it anyway.

You really would use it sparingly, or at least that's my experience, but it has a lot of benefits.

WildThongyoumakemyringsting Wed 10-Oct-12 21:00:43

Is there a reason mnhq dont want it?
It may be worth a trial to see how it goes. I try not to get involved in some of the controversial (sp) themes myself since someone suggested I should go and live in Iran because I didnt agree with them. MN is great company but I think some people are a bit deliberately 'stirry'.

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 21:31:37

I think the main reason that MNHQ give is that without seeing everybody's contribution, threads become disjointed. This doesn't really hold water though, as posts are regularly deleted or withdrawn, and a few people have been in the unfortunate position of having to delete their entire posting history, which affects several older threads. As I alluded to in my OP, lots of threads in Classics, sadly, now make no sense at all. It also ignores the fact that threads won't be disjointed at all for most people, and the ones that are will be at the user's own behest.

The other reason usually given is that we should all do our best not to let people wind us up: again, this doesn't fly for me, because I think a Hide button would help rather than hinder this.

A related reason is that people should educate posters they disagree with rather than ignore them. The sort of moderate and cool-headed MNers who are capable of this without personal attacks are, I believe, the ones who have little need for a Hide Poster button, and wouldn't use it anyway. So education, rather than lost tempers, would still prevail. I think this argument also falls down because the posters who consistently irk and provoke while sailing underneath the deletion threshold are often impervious to reasoned debate, and in many cases know ^exactly what they're doing.

Objections which have been raised here also include the fomenting of paranoia, to which I would say we have to remember that nobody is owed a reply to anything, and that people are often overlooked anyway in the pace of a thread- we'd have to just remind ourselves of that.

Related to the paranoia point is that people would huff about threatening to hide each other. This one is easily dealy with by making it against etiquette, and a reportable post along the lines of a personal attack/other guidelines breach.

I hope I haven't taken too long replying- I'm trying to type this while watching Dallas grin.

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 21:35:09

Please excuse my typos- I hope you can still understand it.

Hullygully Wed 10-Oct-12 22:13:07

I think it was arseing fuckhead <glares menacingly at Olivia>

Hullygully Wed 10-Oct-12 22:14:08

I have just seent he most best film: Even The Rain

All go and see it AT ONCE

All concerns re arseing fuckheads will be as nought

MaryZed Wed 10-Oct-12 22:22:34

I am not offering an opinion on this thread as I have hidden you all.

[dignified]

I am going to post happily to myself in my own topic, where Christmas will be banned and I will be allowed to call twats twats.

I would, however, like a "delete poster" button, if that's ok. I promise I won't let the power go to my head <lies>

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 22:42:46

<hits IMDB>

StewieGriffinsMom Wed 10-Oct-12 22:44:06

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 22:44:10

Is that an ee cummings quote? Even the rain does not have such small hands?

<punches air in poncery>

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 22:47:26

Ah, it gets a good rating. About a film crew celebrating Columbus? I like to celebrate Columbus Day myself. I walk into somebody's house and say "Piss off, I live here now".

HotheadPaisan Wed 10-Oct-12 22:53:15

<favourites BoF>

Did I mention that script could favourite people too? Had even less use for that.

UltraBOF Thu 11-Oct-12 07:57:29

Can you imagine being able to Favourite people on here? The place would go apeshit grin

Hullygully Thu 11-Oct-12 08:06:24

It's so good - peeps making a film about Columbus, set in Bolivia for cheapy Indians, and then all mixed up with the Bolivian Water Wars.

MaryZed Thu 11-Oct-12 08:46:18

Is it in Spanish, Hully? I can't do subtitles, my tiny brain can't cope.

Absy Thu 11-Oct-12 09:35:08

It's got Gael Garcia Bernal - PERFECT

Regardless of the movie, that man always ends up naked somehow. Is he naked Hully? Is he?

Trills Thu 11-Oct-12 09:44:29

If we do this, can each hidden post say "you chose to hide this poster so it's your own fault you don't know what's going on" and have a little button for "unhide just this post" if you decide that it must be critical for understanding the thread?

<upsets Tech by being extra demanding>

Trills Thu 11-Oct-12 09:47:47

I got called po the other day. I didn't realise it was a thing. I've clearly been at work too much!

Trills Thu 11-Oct-12 09:49:26

I think one of the reasons that HQ haven't given is that it would be a massive hassle.

To remember who you have hidden, and make sure it shows you the right thing on every thread, and then to keep track of each individual post that you have unhidden. Loads of processing power every time you opened or refreshed a page.

MaryZed Thu 11-Oct-12 09:51:28

I defended you Trills. You weren't being po, you were right.

I needed you on my NOT CHRISTMAS aibu yesterday, so many people just didn't get the point of my thread sad. Some posters are just uneducatable (and I know that isn't a word but it should be).

Trills Thu 11-Oct-12 09:52:26

I like your hoverer MaryZ

Hide poster - horrible idea. I know you dismiss this in your OP BOF, but threads wouldn't make sense! You might not respond to a comment because you can't see it, but others would and your thread would still go off the rails.

If we have to have anything, I vote for a voting system like Moldies YouTube has. If another people vote down a comment, it gets removed but with the option to still read it if you want (so you can know just how stupid/offensive/stubborn as poster is.

In my previous post: the word 'another' should say 'enough'.

While we're at it, fgs give us an edit button to edit our own posts within a 5 minute time frame!

Oh and 'as' should say 'a', and there should be a closed brackets at the end.

EDIT BUTTON MNHQ!

Trills Thu 11-Oct-12 10:00:26

No edit button.

MN moves too quickly.

After 5 minutes you could have 20 replies.

But just to edit irritating typos such as I have made in my first post on this thread Trills. I don't mean I want an edit button to change my arguments (though accept that this would be what trolls would do).

Other forums have them. I find myself reaching for the edit button instinctively now, and there is none. sad

TheFlumpsHaveEyes Thu 11-Oct-12 10:05:25

I don't think it's necessary - surely if somebodys post is that offensive it will be deleted anyway?

And if there is a poster who's threads you just don't want to read ever - then just don't read them when you see their name.....

ovenchips Thu 11-Oct-12 10:16:17

I'm in favour of hiding the poster.

People who don't want, well, don't use it.

Way2Go Thu 11-Oct-12 10:18:20

I agree with everything UltraBOF has said.

Hide Option = Excellent idea.

Please, please please Mumsnet, your argument that threads doesn't hold any water with me.

thanksthanks wine thanksthanks wine thanksthanks wine thanksthanks wine thanksthanks wine thanksthanks wine

<<tries bribery >>

Hullygully Thu 11-Oct-12 10:22:00

No, him not naked. There is another balder man in it who is actually way more attractive, especially when he goes all redemption..

ParsingFancy Thu 11-Oct-12 10:26:17

Oh, if you're counting posts up like votes, I'm against.

Among other reasons because of this new level of supervision you're envisaging where HQ then have to police all the people saying, "I'm ignoring you."

And then the spats about whether an individual saying "I'm ignoring you" is OK and indeed courteous, but several people saying it isn't. And does that make the ignorers a clique and is this bullying and... <shoots self>

Much less dramatic for everyone to just ignore posters manually. Then no need for the Unhide This One Post So I Can Tell What the Jeff's Been Going On, either.

Btw, it doesn't work to say "nice MNers wouldn't do X", either, because if all MNers were nice there'd be no request for Ignore Poster in the first place. And even nice people can be nasty some days the whole of MN by the end of the summer holidays.

Trills Thu 11-Oct-12 10:28:13

It would be impossible to have an edit button that let you fix typos without also letting you change your meaning.

Plus we'd miss out on beauties like this

MaryZed Thu 11-Oct-12 10:29:30

I dunno <whispers> I don't really care either way about the hide poster, but whenever it gets discussed people suggest a "like" button, and I really, really, really, really (x a gazillion times) really don't want that.

I'd be afraid they'd do them at the same time, which would ruin mumnset in my opinion.

MaryZed Thu 11-Oct-12 10:31:06

Oh, and no to edit buttons - for wonderful typo reasons as well as to stop fuckwits changing their posts and claiming they never said something or other.

If anything really needs editing, mnhq can (and do) do it if asked.

RobinSparkles Thu 11-Oct-12 10:34:50

I don't agree with a hide poster option, tbh.

People would figure out that they were hidden by certain posters because they would be ignored by the hider, for example if they asked them a question or tried to speak to them on a thread.

Plus, you'd probably get lots of "why are you ignoring me?" PMs.

Way2Go Thu 11-Oct-12 10:35:16

Oops
Sorry for typo

....the argument that threads won't make sense doesn't hold any water with me

Hullygully Thu 11-Oct-12 10:35:21

I've just realised I've done what everyone moans about, just carrried on talking about that film and ignored the rest of the thread, not even addressed it to anyone...

WELL I DON'T CARE <defiant>

Way2Go Thu 11-Oct-12 10:36:05

Edit buttons are not needed

Trills Thu 11-Oct-12 10:36:13

You'd only get one "why are you ignoring me?" PM, then you'd use the "block" option.

OatyBeatie Thu 11-Oct-12 10:36:54

I think people who want a hide button should just move to Twitter where you can sculpt your timeline to reflect your own views perfectly. It's awful how effectively huge parts of the internet are becoming uncritical mirrors for users, just throwing back at them "things you might like," "things your friend's like," "things you searched for before that probably reflect the kind of stuff you are interested in now."

It seems like there are lots of pressure for turning the internet from a massive resource for looking outwards into something that just confirms us in the views we already have.

So I like a place where we are exposed to lots of views and comments and posting styles we find challenging. The people who make me stupidly angry/upset here aren't "goaders" or trolls or whatever. They are just people who disagree with me, and who I want to persuade of my opposing view but can't! It would seem pretty awful to cleanse myself of that anger by just blocking my ears.

Trills Thu 11-Oct-12 10:41:01

Don't be ridiculous Oaty, Twiter is completely different to a forum.

OatyBeatie Thu 11-Oct-12 10:43:27

Exactly, Trills. THat is what I think. It is different because it is not organised around shared conversations, but instead around personal affiliations/following. Once you have a commitment to shared conversations it becomes problematic to let everyone see a different set of contributions.

Hullygully Thu 11-Oct-12 10:43:40

very handsome AND redemptive on yo ass

FangsGoForTheMaidensThroat Thu 11-Oct-12 10:45:05

bit of a Tosar though, i hear winkgrin

OatyBeatie Thu 11-Oct-12 10:45:45

He looks just like Robbie Williams.

Hullygully Thu 11-Oct-12 10:46:12

HE DOES NOT LOOK ONE BIT LIKE THAT NUTTER

huh

Hullygully Thu 11-Oct-12 10:46:37

oh god he does a bit...damn

I just can't see why it would be an issue. There are posters who post a load of shit with the express intention to wind up posters who are actually trying to help an OP.
The whole purpose of the thread, to give actual advice goes out of the window because a certain person wants to cause trouble.

So hide that person and continue to advise the op. everyone's happy.
The person who is trying to cause all the trouble may then stop acting like an idiot if there is no one there to bloody argue with.

RobinSparkles Thu 11-Oct-12 10:55:41

Actually, I've changed my mind. It's not that I disagree with a "hide poster" button, I just probably wouldn't use it. No one on here offends me that much.

It might make me a little paranoid when I got ignored though (often) grin.

MaryZed Thu 11-Oct-12 11:00:33

The difficulty with that Tantrums, is that the (possibly newbie) op wouldn't know to hide the troublemaker and would continue to see his/her posts.

No-one sensible would see them and so wouldn't refute the shite they were spouting.

So on serious advice and support threads it could be a problem. On arsey-around threads, it would be fine (apart from the hidee being able to complain of the bullies sending him/her to coventry, which would also happen),

ParsingFancy Thu 11-Oct-12 11:00:41

So don't argue with them. Don't feed the troll and all that.

Disappearing a particular person's posts doesn't solve the problem if other people are engaging with them, as half the thread becomes replies to the goader.

SeveredEdMcDunnough Thu 11-Oct-12 11:06:00

I have come down on the side of against. Sorry.

I think it would be useful only in the case of serious nutters (vis FWR) and they normally get bored and fuck off eventually anyway.

I wouldn't be against a trial run though if MNHQ are up for it - just for larks smile

ParsingFancy Thu 11-Oct-12 11:06:53

Yy, MaryZ, newbies and vulnerable posters would miss out on support when they were attacked/misled. Obviously not everyone is up to the fight every day, but I'd rather be on a forum where people generally help out than always walk away.

Isn't that the very essence of a self-moderating forum?

FoofyShmooffer Thu 11-Oct-12 11:11:11

A knee jerk reaction maybe but at the moment I'm for.
After just reading the David Cameron live feed thread, yes absolutely for.

However, I might return to my usual ambivalence in time smile

Hully: maybe everyone is hiding you already? wink

Hullygully Thu 11-Oct-12 11:15:25

I think you're right Dumble.

Tho that's not a bad thing cos look! I can do the naked shimmy and waggle my arse at people and they don't know.

<waggles naked shimmying arse>

Trills Thu 11-Oct-12 11:22:22

I wouldn't get paranoid.

You is all just words onna screen, innit?

greenhill Thu 11-Oct-12 11:30:07

parsing and ed etc you are right, the "hide poster" option would only help an individual's blood pressure, not anyone else's. Not everyone is annoyed by the exact same things as me. Other posters are bound to be irritated by me too.

I try to just ignore some posts/ posters, don't open certain threads, have started to look at who started the thread, rather than just looking at the thread title, but still haven't customised MN to block some topics yet. I don't want the Google experience of my leanings being honed until I only see things I approve of. Sometimes righteous indignation at someone else's post, just means I have to ignore it. I don't hide threads.

Reporting a thread/ particularly offensive comment doesn't mean that it will be deleted, as said earlier, some posters are just within Talk Guidelines; I'm not so perfect that I've not been deleted either (NB don't comment on other threads about threads) but I know I feel better for reporting something, even if MNHQ, don't think it warrants deletion. It was cathartic thoughgrin

I'm either changing my mind or sitting on the fence now.

UltraBOF Thu 11-Oct-12 11:44:57

I think some people are exaggerating the impact of a hide button. It wouldn't be about "sculpting" the entire site and never bring disagreed with. All it is would be for is removing from my eyeline the one or two persistently annoying twats WHO REALLY GET ON MY TITS <sobs>.

That's it. Really. Civilisation will not end.

Absy Thu 11-Oct-12 11:52:08

I can't BELIEVE GGB is not naked. Even in a movie where he played a Catholic priest he was naked for 50% of the film. Y Tu Mama Tambien - naked 70% of the time. Motorcycle diaries - naked

It's why he's my favourite actor.

OatyBeatie Thu 11-Oct-12 11:56:42

You need a "Reveal Actor" button more than you need a "Hide Poster" button.

Hullygully Thu 11-Oct-12 11:57:38

Was he now?

I've seen Moto Diaries, don't remember him nekkid. I'll have to watch it again. What's Y Tu like?

HoopDePoop Thu 11-Oct-12 12:02:06

<likes OatyBeatie 's post>

<re-lurks>

Absy Thu 11-Oct-12 12:02:11

I'm pretty sure he was ...

I'll have to watch it again, just to make sure.

Y Tu Mama is basically a story of him and his best friend and a woman travelling around Mexico bonking like mad, and trying to find a beach.

It's incredible.

Oh yes, he was also naked in Amores Perros - which is a movie about dogs

I don't think he was in Babel.

Maybe he's reformed now?

Hullygully Thu 11-Oct-12 12:07:22

Are you keen on Spanish films in gen, or just nekkid him?

Flisspaps Thu 11-Oct-12 12:08:10

I think a 'hide poster' button is a good idea.

If you want to use it, then you use it.

If you think it's a shitty idea, then you just don't use it.

I don't see how it's existence would impact upon you in any way unless you decide to click it.

BlameItOnTheCuervForHumanBlood Thu 11-Oct-12 12:13:20

I agreee with BOF, you don't have to use it, and if it enhances the site for some, why not? People always moan about change, but mumsnet isn't a dictatorship, noone forces you to use the buttons. I am in a vile mood, ill and hormonal. I darent open some threads because I know that my filter is off today. And if I see the couple of posters that really piss me off, I will get into trouble. If I was on desktop, I would see the op and last poster, which helps, but I am too ill so am on phone. So its potluck.

Absy Thu 11-Oct-12 12:23:52

I like Spanish-language films in general, it's not just about nekkid people (e.g. Almadovar and stuff).

Perhaps we should move this discussion elsewhere ...

greenhill Thu 11-Oct-12 12:26:12

If there was a 'hide poster' button you would still see a particular posters most offensive comments: as inevitably someone quotes / bolds something back to comment on it, followed by "did you mean to be so rude?" or "have you got any helpful suggestions?" and the thread gets derailed, yet again.

<sitting on fence / hands from now on>

BlameItOnTheCuervForHumanBlood Thu 11-Oct-12 12:31:22

Yes, it might be quoted back, etc, but it reduces the chance of seeing it. And if you link the hide poster to report then mnhq can get a better idea of who to put on their OTW list. Eg, a lot of FWR regs would hide the same posters, so hq can see that X has been hidden by 30 posters, so take a look at their history and see what they are doing to piss people off.

greenhill Thu 11-Oct-12 12:32:02

^^ would you like to start a new thread on nudity in films? Concentrating on the differences between American actors / European actors / subsection on Ewan Macgregor's inability to stop showing his, ahem, manhood off... grin.

Don't put it in FWR though, you have to look incredibly closely to see the difference between waxing and shaving. But it is a political point, nevertheless grin

Absy Thu 11-Oct-12 12:33:55

yes yes greenhill!

Let's do that. I'll see y'all in chat

greenhill Thu 11-Oct-12 12:34:43

Good point blame but surely some of the same posters are being reported to them anyway?

BlameItOnTheCuervForHumanBlood Thu 11-Oct-12 12:41:57

Yes, but it stops them winding up the normal posters until they snap.

I've always been against hide poster, until recently. I use it on fb, and its made my experience much easier.

greenhill Thu 11-Oct-12 12:44:22

YY I do that on FB too, it is much more soothing.

ScreamingNaanAndGoryOn Thu 11-Oct-12 12:44:57

Having been on other sites where you have a hide poster button, a lot of what people think will happen just isn't the case, even on the site where you can quote full posts at the drop of a hat.

You choose to hide a poster and then it just doesn't bother you. The number of times you see posts as someone has quoted them is small, debate still goes on as you only tend to hide people who get on your tits for a long time and/or who are constantly offensive.

The message we keep getting from MNHQ is that their inboxes are overflowing with reports. In terms of the forum, hiding the constantly offensive - or the people who only come on to cause trouble would be good for the blood pressure of everyone.

UltraBOF Thu 11-Oct-12 12:57:59

Thank you. My point exactly. Good for the blood pressure.

Will the naked men make mine go up or down?

greenhill Thu 11-Oct-12 13:03:58

Depends on what you want to go up or down wink

ArterialSpurtMonkey Thu 11-Oct-12 13:34:39

I think the point re newbies doesn't really hold water, we were all new once and managed to work out what was what. Personally speaking if i saw a 'hide poster' button and there was a twatty poster being twatty and roundly ignored, it wouldn't take me too long to put two and two together.

Re GGB, he is great in The Science Of Sleep, have you seen that hully, you'd dig it i bet.

BlameItOnTheCuervForHumanBlood Thu 11-Oct-12 13:42:43

Can we have a poll? Like we did for the last lot of changes?

Way2Go Thu 11-Oct-12 20:17:38

If a poster makes a personal attack it gets deleted but some posters make comments that are spectacularly offensive but because they are aimed at a large group the comments remain. This is the type of poster I would like to hide.

For example, a while ago a poster suggested DC of SAHM are more likely to be subject to child abuse as the DM's are stuck with the DC's and would be better off being with childminders, who are at least regulated. It doesn't add anything to my life to have to read crap like that.

ParsingFancy Thu 11-Oct-12 21:02:44

I don't think that's the point about newbies or people being attacked, ArterialMonkey.

At the moment, vile posts are challenged or reported by other posters, not just the OP.

So your personalised MN might not have the vile post, but real MN does. And it will now be left to stand, because the people who might have challenged or reported it don't see it.

OP may eventually work out Ignore Bellend, but nonetheless it feels like the other posters on the thread are condoning the bellend because they haven't challenged. And MN gets to look like the sort of site where vile statements go unchallenged.

Of course it depends what scale this happens on, as to whether it's a major problem.

BlameItOnTheCuervForHumanBlood Thu 11-Oct-12 21:14:29

Parsing, that's why I think it should be linked to report. I wouldn't hide posters based on one irritating post. I don't think anyone would. Posts would still be challenged.

ArterialSpurtMonkey Thu 11-Oct-12 21:48:04

I don't think we're all going to hide all the same poster though. This is a huge huge site with shitloads of traffic and a hige variety of posters, all with varying levels of twattery tolerance threshold. How egotistical would i be to think that just because i can't see a twatty poster, that no one else will spot rhem or call them put on being a twat.

Trills Fri 12-Oct-12 08:42:32

And MN gets to look like the sort of site where vile statements go unchallenged.

Very good point.

ScreamingManAndGoryOn Fri 12-Oct-12 11:22:37

The worry about letting vile posts go unchallenged means that everyone would have to hide the same people and that just wouldn't happen.

I wouldn't - and on the other site I use, don't - hide everyone who says something racist or sexist or disablist (my own personal bugbear). I challenge them.

Looking at my hide poster list on the other website, it contains the stoopid woman who always comes onto BF-ing chat to complain that there aren't any formula feeding cafe's A bloke who thinks he is more funny that he actually is and whose posts get on my tits and a couple of ex-mners who joined the site after being kicked off MN and are always slagging it off.

Its hardly a long list of the offensive. Just people I choose not to engage with.

Halfway Tue 30-Oct-12 19:03:32

I intend to beg and plead for this until the cows come home. smile

I had a really, seriously horrible day (crying/raging/general emotional instability)... and yes, I'm aware that makes me something approaching an oversensitive loon.

However, thats what I am, and I would like to be what I am and still be able to post here, because quite frankly I love the place, and it is 98% extremely helpful.

I have an extremely damaged past, think in messed up ways that may hurt/shock other people, and that they can find abhorrent. That leads them to then mock me in a way that I find too painful to bear for long without simply having to leave (which I'd really rather not do).

Hide poster would let me stay, protect myself, and still let everyone have their say.

Please Mumsnet. Pretty please!!!

Cahoots Tue 30-Oct-12 22:58:29

ArterialSpurtMonkey
I don't think we're all going to hide all the same poster though

Ohh, I am not so sure wink grin

garlicbaguette Wed 31-Oct-12 17:20:37

I'm really quite strongly opposed to a Hide Poster facility. My reasons have all been given by others on the first few pages.

I can go anywhere for a conversation with people who just want to agree with one another and ignore anything they don't like.

AIBU would be amusing, though. I would post wildly inflammatory threads, then hide every single respondent while continuing to post in a highly U manner. After a gazillion pages had been reached, I'd unhide them all and have a chuckle. I am easily amused, yes blush

MaryZcary Wed 31-Oct-12 17:48:18

I still think an "Explode Poster" button would be fun.

If a set number (to be decided) of posters clicked it, the poster would spontaneously explode into a gazillion pieces and disappear [hopeful]

Sunnywithachanceofshowers Wed 31-Oct-12 18:44:01

I'm with Mary about exploding posters. I'm not really keen on a Hide Poster function tho'.

mignonette Wed 31-Oct-12 18:45:58

Censorship.....

Halfway Wed 31-Oct-12 19:46:58

I don't think that this argument holds water at all:

'That people would misuse 'hide poster' so that they only had people who agreed with them left visible'

Or if it did, it would likely be a very tiny unreasonable minority anyway.

Consistently, everyone (including myself) who has said they would use 'hide poster' have said they would only use it for the one, two, or handful of posters who never add anything constructive at all, and simply consistently try to wind them up for sport (its pretty obvious when people are doing this.

These people are also usually just clever enough to duck under the MMHQ rules/guidelines enough to not get deleted, but still cause a lot of anguish deliberately (so report is not sufficient, nor quick enough).

The rest is just people fretting/imagining how other people would use it.

Its not censorship anymore than 'hide thread' is censorship. And would make stop threads that are 98% useful to someone going to waste because of a malicious few.

Halfway Wed 31-Oct-12 19:55:35

A copy/paste of my response to HelensMumsnet post in my thread regarding 'hide poster', because I think the arguments are very relevant here, and don't want to retype the whole thing when copy/paste will do. smile

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Thank you for your substantial and considered response to some of the concerns raised here.

I would like to respond to some of yours (obviously just from my personal perspective).

I categorically would not have used the hide poster button to hide those whom I disagreed with... as, as you say, that rather ruins the whole point.

I would have used it to hide the posters that you eventually got around to deleting yourself (not your fault regarding the delay, I know), because they were not helpful in any way, and were simply rolling about laughing at what was for me a very painful issue.

If it happened in a thread about someone helping a rape victim, and people were posting making jokes about rape, everyone would be up in arms.

Everyone would be up in arms because they would 'get' that it was a serious matter and not something to be laughed at, and that laughing at it would be a cruel and vicious thing to do in the context.

I understand that people genuinely didn't 'get' I was serious, and I did report as quickly as I could. I just wish I could have hidden those posters in the meantime until you could have got around to it.

I would have had to see one mocking message from each of them, and then no more (which would have better than being bombarded, from my point of view, with them). I also wouldn't have had to see them again and again every time I went back to review the thread for better insight.

Let me clarify again, by "mocking", *I do not mean disagreement. I mean "haha, isn't this funny, lets make a joke about the whole thing"... right in front of my face on my thread. That really hurt.

I'm not asking for more policing. I'm not asking for censorship. I'm asking for the individual ability to hide posters continuously posting things that really shouldn't have been there in the first place, and cause distress the longer they are left up.

I don't want to have to go elsewhere. I want to stay here because the site is a breath of fresh air in my life. I'm not asking for huge, sweeping changes. I'm asking for a viable small one (in my opinion), that would have seriously helped me, and therefore can feasibly help others like me, and empowers me to stay despite my own weaknesses and flaws.

Once a poster starts laughing at you, and refuses to stop despite pleas. Its unlikely they have anything further of worth to say, and I would like to hide all subsequent posts from them.

I know people think I should have just hidden the thread. But there was genuine help on there, that I wanted to see and take on board. I didn't want to abandon the whole thing.

Not least of all, because that means the bullies have won.

Regarding the other concern (which is that people might simply hide instead of reporting).

How about when an individual presses the 'hide poster' button, a little pop-up reminder asks them if the post is also worth reporting?

Just an idea, as you can probably tell, I feel very strongly about this, and am obviously not alone.

I really appreciate that you are seriously considering it.

ScarahStratton Wed 31-Oct-12 20:05:16

I don't want a 'Hide the Poster' feature. Can't we just hand out a large box of grips on joining.

MaryZcary Wed 31-Oct-12 20:06:08

<sits on hands>

Stratters - what is your opinion on my "exploding poster" button?

garlicbaguette Wed 31-Oct-12 20:19:17

While I can think of a few I'd like to explode, you do get this thing on some forums where a poster gets automatic suspension after a certain number of reports. Problem arises when a clique (only Mumsnet has quiches, obv) decides to get rid of someone they don't like. Snot fair - and the suspended individual generally has to rely on others to report it & get them back. It's horribly much like school.

ScarahStratton Wed 31-Oct-12 20:35:48

I love the idea of exploding posters. Possibly we could draft in Jeremy Clarkson, he has lots of experience.

MaryZcary Wed 31-Oct-12 20:44:21

garlic, I don't think they will acksherly do it, but I can always hope grin

ScarahStratton Wed 31-Oct-12 21:32:47

P'raps just some sort of human cannonball then? <hopeful>

UltraBOF Wed 31-Oct-12 21:44:11

I sometimes wonder what dictionary people are using. It's nothing like 'censorship'. You might as well say 'radishes'.

BigBroomstickBIWI Wed 31-Oct-12 22:00:06

We could use this biscuit as the big red button to explode people

MaryZcary Wed 31-Oct-12 22:06:36

Oh, yes, the fecking biscuit. Another emoticon we could do without.

ReindeerBOOOOllocks Wed 31-Oct-12 22:35:12

I have a fear of the hide poster button - that fear is that I'll be talking to myself grin

Wouldn't mind a <you're a twat> emoticon as that'll save time when disagreeing with posters who hold erm, interesting opinions.

Cahoots Wed 31-Oct-12 22:55:29

Please, Please, Please I really need to explode #####

mignonette Thu 01-Nov-12 07:42:17

You are censoring because sadly hidden comments will skew the natural unfolding of debates/arguments/right royal rows from MNers who wish to engage fully regardless of its importance or not to the continuance of human existence...... Should you be at work, in a group, in class, you cannot always just walk away. Sometimes you have to listen and on occasions, defend your position. The net lays bare all manner of human pleasantness and the polar opposite. That is its nature....

BigBroomstickBIWI Thu 01-Nov-12 07:44:12

But that's not censorship ...

mignonette Thu 01-Nov-12 08:16:53

From Oxford online Dictionary-

Censor-

[with object]

examine (a book, film, etc.) officially and suppress unacceptable parts of it:
the report had been censored ‘in the national interest’
the letters she received were censored

Your choice to hide posters skews the argument if certain displeasing people are not being replied to. That in effect has a censoring effect upon the true development of a thread.

mignonette Thu 01-Nov-12 08:18:17

And 'official' pertains to either an person/organisation engaged in censorship or the official permission to 'hide' given by an organisation such as MN.

Trills Thu 01-Nov-12 08:26:40

Of we had a hide poster button and someone posted the same message as someone else without saying "I agree with Thingy", would it be acceptable to say

"Oi, You, you just posted exactly what Thingy said, do you have them hidden or something?"

BIWI Thu 01-Nov-12 09:56:40

It would only be censorship if the hidden poster's posts were hidden from everybody

germyrabbit Thu 01-Nov-12 09:58:23

i think if op maybe thinks mn has now got full of wankers (nice) then maybe they should have a break rather than get wound up by mn

mignonette Thu 01-Nov-12 10:21:28

No, censoring affects the development of the thread. Trills made a good point.

UltraBOF Thu 01-Nov-12 12:43:36

It's always been full of nice wankers- I don't mind that at all (I'm one myself, after all). But with the huge growth in membership, there are definitely more personality clashes. I actually don't have anybody on my personal shitlist at the moment (well, I see them so rarely it doesn't exert me too much anyway), but I've noticed that some posters are getting into fight after fight. I even know of posters being eventually banned for allowing certain people to wind them up to the point of distraction.

It's harder to walk away from an argument once it has started than to avoid the argument in the first place, so I am suggesting Hide Poster as a way of a) reducing MNHQ's workload dealing with reports, and b) helping people have a more harmonious MNing experience by removing people they know invariably enrage them .without impacting on anybody else's ability to participate.

HesterBurnitall Thu 01-Nov-12 14:22:14

Lots and lots of forums have a hide poster button. It really, really doesn't create any of the issues people fear. We all read threads differently anyway so there is no single true thread that will be distorted by a button. Most people use it sparingly, I've never bothered and couldn't pick else who has or hasn't.

It's highly unlikely that features that are standard on so very many sites would be a disaster on MN.

HesterBurnitall Thu 01-Nov-12 14:25:04

Besides, so long as trolling is allowed to flourish as it is here at the moment, there are lots of posters who will continue to drift away to less infested places. The option to customise, which is what a hide poster button is, can really help with that and generally leads to a decrease in trolls and a calmer atmosphere.

zillyzilly Thu 01-Nov-12 14:29:40

Good posts, Hester. Calm is good.

zillyzilly Thu 01-Nov-12 14:30:56

And less gin would be needed at MNHQ, so more salary could be spent on forrin holidays.

amillionyears Thu 01-Nov-12 14:54:41

Spats I think would reduce, but
a. I would hope that everyone can learn from everyone else, and
b. I think it does help to make us all more restrained and calmer in rl. In other words, it teaches us all valuable skills and life lessons.

amillionyears Thu 01-Nov-12 14:55:44

As regards possible trolls,
MN does need to act faster, much faster.

HotheadPaisan Thu 01-Nov-12 14:56:58

It would be bad form to comment on who might have whom hidden. I would hide anyone who did it. HTH.

Maryz Thu 01-Nov-12 14:58:32

I would agree with you there Paisan, but I can't, because I have hidden you

<lies>

Yesterday's thread was proof to me that hide poster won't work. Because if all the sensible people hide the bitches, the trolls, the sockpuppets and the whingers, people will get a very strange view of the board.

And appalling statements and posts and threads will remain unchallenged.

Just my opinion.

HesterBurnitall Thu 01-Nov-12 15:04:32

Lots of sensible people won't hide anyone, though Maryz. Some will hide one, others a handful and a tiny minority might get trigger happy.

HotheadPaisan Thu 01-Nov-12 15:05:00

<glosses over Maryz as per>

Didn't see anything yesterday, yes it's a risk that stuff goes unchallenged or all the people who are wrong ever just chat to themselves, I can't always do anything about that.

I'd love MNSN not to be opt in for example, and maybe if we could hide posters it could be, I don't know.

UltraBOF Thu 01-Nov-12 15:06:07

They won't though, Mary. It's just not the way it worked on other sites. Some people wouldn't hide anyone.

I don't really want this thread to turn into a HQ-bashing exercise either: they do their best with the time and personnel available, and it's free for us to post. I doubt they are sitting around polishing their nails while the trolls run rampant. Hide Poster might stop enough spats to free them up a bit though.

Hullygully Thu 01-Nov-12 15:06:20

What was yesterday's? I aint seen owt of interest lately

zillyzilly Thu 01-Nov-12 15:07:04

"all the people who are wrong just chat to themselves" - that's probably what they want to do!

MrsDeVere Thu 01-Nov-12 15:11:22

The hide poster function is the only bit of Nuthunz that I miss.

I only used it a couple of times on there but it made life so much nicer.

I reserved it for people who would go on and on and on at me or ones who would pop up with deliberately inflammatory remarks. We have a few of those types at the moment. They will post 'all single mothers should have made better choices' or 'if you are disabled you should be grateful for what you get'

There is no point in debating, discussing or reasoning with them. They only do it to upset people.

Maryz Thu 01-Nov-12 15:19:07

Hully, you missed all the canibalism grin

No, I don't want to bash hq either. I think they are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

In fact, it was probably easier before they started to moderate at all, they just left us all to fight among ourselves. They are in the unenviable position of having to referee while we all squabble - rather like an under 8s football match grin.

Hullygully Thu 01-Nov-12 15:23:01

<gnashes teeth>

<twice>

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