Come and talk to MNHQ: live webchat about moderation and stuff with Justine and HelenMN, Thursday 4 October, 1pm-2pm

(525 Posts)
HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 03-Oct-12 18:27:03

Hello. We hope you all already feel you can talk to us at MNHQ anytime - either by starting a thread in Site Stuff or by mailing us or reporting a post.

But we also thought it might be useful/interesting to have a live discussion about how how about we do things re moderation etc...

So, we're hosting our very own MNHQ live webchat!

Please do join us at 1pm on Thursday to ask (more or less) anything you want. And, if you can't make then, do feel free to post a nice question here in advance.

SuperB0F Wed 03-Oct-12 18:30:28

Blimey, you're brave!

Is this some kind of forfeit you agreed to in lieu of drinking a yard of ale at the meet-up or something?

Ooh... grin

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 03-Oct-12 18:33:20

SuperB0F

Blimey, you're brave!

Is this some kind of forfeit you agreed to in lieu of drinking a yard of ale at the meet-up or something?

Ha! Actually, I think I did drink a yard of ale at the meet-up blush

FancyPuffin Wed 03-Oct-12 18:38:02

<Excited>

KnottyLocks Wed 03-Oct-12 18:50:22

Aha grin

I have some more fabulous ideas. Just let me get my notebook. and badge

Is an hour long enough?

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 03-Oct-12 18:56:27

Sparklingbrook

Is an hour long enough?

Knew this was a baaaaaaaaad idea...

Hullygully Wed 03-Oct-12 18:56:53

Stop the mad deletions.

Do not delete unless the insulted wants it. Most of us would rather let the insulter's fuckwittery stand.

SheelaNeGig Wed 03-Oct-12 18:58:23

I'm going to be asleep. Not because you are boring but because I will be awake all night catching babies.

Anyway.......

1. Can you please clarify The Rules regarding freds about freds.

2. When will be be getting a [cake]?

thanks

grin HelenMN.

SheelaNeGig Wed 03-Oct-12 19:01:15

3. How come I never win competitions?

LemarchandsBox Wed 03-Oct-12 19:03:07

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

BigStickBIWI Wed 03-Oct-12 19:03:52

Wot Hully said.

Iggly Wed 03-Oct-12 19:19:07

That was my question too Sheela re competitions grin

The answer to every question could be SSDNCOP which could make for a bit of a dull webchat. sad

Iggly Wed 03-Oct-12 19:24:20

On a more serious note though please can we improve the local pages/boards? I'm a tsarina thingy but didn't get any info on how to update the pages etc. new mums come here looking for info like baby groups etc but end up on net--huns--mums as it has much better info.

Iggly Wed 03-Oct-12 19:24:35

Strike out fail blush

Kveta Wed 03-Oct-12 19:31:28

ooh, Iggly has a good point - our local page is crap, no idea who the tsarina is, and the most prolific local poster on the local board seems to be me, despite there being quite a lot of us in the area.

other point - your ante/post natal chat threads are fantastic. I have made some lovely friends through the ones I've been on, and they have been a wonderful source of support - so thank you!

NormaStanleyFletcher Wed 03-Oct-12 19:33:23

Ohhh - this could be interesting

MrsWembley Wed 03-Oct-12 19:34:31

I think you're all lovely but why can't you have a Christmas bash outside of London? In Bristol, perhaps?

MrsWembley Wed 03-Oct-12 19:34:59

Oh, and wot Hully said.wink

Tee2072 Wed 03-Oct-12 19:39:03

Where's the Non-England Christmas Bash? What about Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland, huh?!?!

Anyway...yes, stop deleting. Let me call people what they deserve to be called. Just me though...

MrsWembley Wed 03-Oct-12 19:42:29

Bristol could nearly do for Wales, couldn't it?

<wanders off whistling and ignoring the Welsh folk about to round up the flames and pitchforks>

cocolepew Wed 03-Oct-12 19:42:37

Are you mad?! shock

FrankWippery Wed 03-Oct-12 20:00:56

Sadly I'll be at the dentist (really truly sadly) so will miss the fun.

Just wondering, like, what the monthly consumption of gin is with you at MNTowers. Also, does the weekend consumption at least quadruple the weekday total?

Who eats the most biscuits and what are your favourite ones?

Pertinent questions I feel. Ta.

TheAngelshavetheOod Wed 03-Oct-12 20:03:29

How many of you actually are there ?

DillyTante Wed 03-Oct-12 20:09:26

Do you still need parenting advice or are you Gurus now? If so do you post on here anonymously?

Who would you really like to get on for a webchat but haven't been able to persuade?

Do you get cross and shout at Tech when the site breaks?

Do you get free gifts from Boden?

Maryz Wed 03-Oct-12 20:12:56

Wow shock. Just wow shockshock

<marks place>

<compiles looooooooooooooooooong list>

grin

usualsuspect3 Wed 03-Oct-12 20:13:27

I will be at work <huffs>

Maryz Wed 03-Oct-12 20:17:56

And that stops you mumsnetting? That's a terrible job you have usual!

LineRunner Wed 03-Oct-12 20:19:29

I'll be at work too. You utter, utter bastards.

TheAngelshavetheOod Wed 03-Oct-12 20:20:21

I like this one

Who would you really like to get on for a webchat but haven't been able to persuade?

what's your favourite canape?

usualsuspect3 Wed 03-Oct-12 20:24:26

I can sneak on MN from my phone, but not for long.

I will read the thread on the bus on the way home.

Tee2072 Wed 03-Oct-12 20:25:47

I will have to neglect my son to join...just like any other day then, eh?

grin

EchoBitch Wed 03-Oct-12 20:26:52

Having dentures fitted Frank ? wink

Who is your favourite Mner? it's me, innit?

SummerSolstice Wed 03-Oct-12 20:35:37

What are your most memorable threads? And, as already mentioned, do you post anonymously?

FrankWippery Wed 03-Oct-12 20:36:20

Fuck off EchoBitch. wink

SummerSolstice Wed 03-Oct-12 20:39:56

Oooooh, and following on from the 'Crap Mummy Awards' thread. What has been your biggest parenting mistake?

EchoBitch Wed 03-Oct-12 20:40:41

Shay that again Frank,your plate schlipping? grin

What happened to POM the bear?
He came and had pictures taken with D Miliband and D Mumsnet then SUPPOSEDLY vanished.

Oooh, and which threads cause a BIIIIIIIGGG sigh?

<marks place>

I'll be at work too, but reckon I can fit this in around lunch. grin

In case I miss it, my Q is; Do you ever look at Talk and cry "what monster have I created?"

BigStickBIWI Wed 03-Oct-12 20:51:44

MrsWembley - the Christmas meet up isn't organised by MNHQ.

It's organised by different MNetters, and therefore it takes place wherever the MNetter lives/prefers to arrange it. There's no reason why Manchester or Glasgow MNetters couldn't organise their own meet up.

And also, all MNetters are always welcome, and there are often many who come from all over the country, nay from Forrin Parts, to attend!

BigStickBIWI Wed 03-Oct-12 20:53:06

I'd like to know where Carrie has gone. It's been a long time since I've seen her posting anything here. Unless she is trolling the boards, of course <suspicious face>

StewieGriffinsMom Wed 03-Oct-12 21:07:14

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

MrsWembley Wed 03-Oct-12 21:10:31

Thank-you, BigStick! I had a feeling that was the case, but I always avoid that yearly thread for fear I'll combust in sheer envywink

Ok, I may start up something over this way...

McPhee Wed 03-Oct-12 21:12:06

Please can things stop being slow

It makes me twitchy

crazynanna Wed 03-Oct-12 21:14:30

Why,in over a year,have I only had one...yes one thread title with my name in it <cries a bit>

That is my question

BigStickBIWI Wed 03-Oct-12 21:21:09

Re the thread deletions - I think the 'victim' of a PA should be asked whether or not they want a PA deleted. There was a particularly vitriolic on one of my low carb Bootcamp threads which I asked MNHQ not to delete, because it said a lot more about my 'attacker' than it did about me. I was quite cross when it was deleted (although I do realise that this was a bit of a mix up in communication at MNHQ), and it wasn't reinstated.

I have kept a copy for future reference

SuperB0F Wed 03-Oct-12 21:43:07

I'd like to ask about a Hide Poster button too. If people are bothered about threads not making sense, surely they can just unhide?

I just think it would save a lot of fights and reports. Nobody would be obliged to use it.

Can we get a 'hide topic' button as well as the 'hide thread' one please? I have no interest at all in some subjects, and would love my 100 Active Topic threads all to be interesting to me without me having to hide hundreds a few of them each time.

Stitchthis Wed 03-Oct-12 21:58:33

Can I design your strategy? Can I?
Seriously, what do you see MN looking like and being like in say 3 years time? World domination? Mwahhahhahahhhahha....

BigStickBIWI Wed 03-Oct-12 22:00:20

What did you do when launching Gransnet that was a direct result of learning how to do Mumsnet? i.e. what were the things you knew to avoid/wanted to try?

FunnysInLaJardin Wed 03-Oct-12 22:01:40

let us know when we have been deleted, so that the 'report poster' flashes or something, and ideally let us know who reported the post so we can stalk them

MrsKwazii Wed 03-Oct-12 22:05:01

Please can you change thanks to [flowers] so that literal-minded eejits like myself stop getting it wrong.

And on a serious note, there have been a few threads in recent months from bereaved parents that - after being started in general talk areas, including AIBU - were swiftly transferred to the Bereavement topic, seemingly not always at the request of the OP.

I know that you always have the best interests of the OP in mind, but would you mind reconfirming that automatic reclassification won't happen in future? Often, posters know exactly where they want to post and want more opinions/advice/thoughts that posting in the bereavement topic can garner especially as it seems (from what some posters say) that some people hide that section entirely.

GoingBlankAgain Wed 03-Oct-12 22:09:35

Please can we have some pics of the innards of MNHQ. I like to know what I'm dealing with!

Can we have a big dom bottle emoticon, for those who wish to bleach their eyes.

I won't be able to join in as am at work. Maybe you could consider one of your open chat things for the occasional evening? Friday night might not be the best time though due the the bumsexers being out in full force smile

Hassled Wed 03-Oct-12 22:11:40

Won't be able to be here, but I really just want to say thank you. MN has been invaluable to me over the years - it has kept me sane, made me laugh and educated me. So thank you!

LineRunner Wed 03-Oct-12 22:12:48

It's not right, is it?

FrankelSaysRelax Wed 03-Oct-12 22:14:31

grin The West Wing thread discussions paid off then?

It's Big Block of Cheese Day at MNHQ wink

<making extra gin slings biccies for tomorrow>

OliviaPeaceAndLoveMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 03-Oct-12 22:20:23

TodaysAGoodDay

Can we get a 'hide topic' button as well as the 'hide thread' one please? I have no interest at all in some subjects, and would love my 100 Active Topic threads all to be interesting to me without me having to hide hundreds a few of them each time.

Ooh I can answer this one - you can already do this.
In customise ^^ choose your topics wisely my friend.
HTH

cocolepew Wed 03-Oct-12 22:28:22

Night shift, is someone actually in HQ or can they work from home? Is there someone watching what's going on all night?

beachyhead Wed 03-Oct-12 22:33:32

How many are there of us and what proportion post? I like figures, I do wink

LineRunner Wed 03-Oct-12 22:37:28

Thank you for the new History Club, btw.

FunnysInLaJardin Wed 03-Oct-12 22:39:49

oh yes, and a Thankyou to MN. It has been a lifeline to me over the years, plus I am pleased to say MNHQ aren't too proud to say sorry when they have been a tad heavy handed. What other site would suggest [gin] direct from MNHQ at 11am?

MmeLindor Wed 03-Oct-12 23:29:55

I'd like to thank MNHQ for the incredible opportunities they have given me this year. It's been amazing.

I'd like to know how many posts are reported in a day, and what percentage of those are deleted.

And where you see yourselves in 10 years? Could there be a TeenNet. Or a PreTeenNet?

OliviaPeaceAndLoveMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 03-Oct-12 23:34:50

cocolepew

Night shift, is someone actually in HQ or can they work from home? Is there someone watching what's going on all night?

Sleep is for the weak....grin

cocolepew Wed 03-Oct-12 23:42:07

True Olivia <looks at clock>

gussiegrips Thu 04-Oct-12 00:23:45

And, I can ask you whatever I want? Smashing, deep breath...

I want to bust the taboo about leaking when you laugh.

I'd luuuuurve it if you'd think about running a campaign to highlight the sad fact that 1 in 3 of your netters pish themselves a bit when they try to unlock their front door. And, that it's easily fixed if they'd dotheirblardyexercises.

Am a firm-fanjo obsessive physio. If your members were educated about what their pelvic floor is, what it does, how to tell it's not strong enough and why having a good one is smashing - then there's the potential to save up to half of them (who have had kids) from having surgery to fix their prolapses.

I've chatted with Frances <waves>. Just rubbing my brass neck a bit. And, whilst we're at it, doyerblardyexercises! x

Oh there is soooo much I want to know! <licks pencil, dons thinking cap, marks place>

blondieminx Thu 04-Oct-12 00:43:37

I'll miss this too, will have to catch up tomorrow night.

Just wanted to say how much I love MN, and I'm so grateful for the advice I've received on these boards over the last few years! My DD is still only little but I love knowing that there is a mum's net out there in the ether. It's a lovely nest of vipers to belong to wink

MrsMicawber Thu 04-Oct-12 01:38:49

Can we please get the politicians who were only too happy to come in and woo us before the elections to come back and talk to us again?

Nagoo Thu 04-Oct-12 01:59:25

Where do deleted threads go? Do you move them to a special HQ only section, so you can all browse them like classics and know the lore of MN? Or is that what carrie does now? Print them off and put them in a special leather bound scrapbook folder that she hefts open to check out the troll-reports?

ripsishere Thu 04-Oct-12 03:59:39

I won't be up and about at that time, so here's my question.
Do you have a shitlist at HQ of troublemakers? You must have a heart sink moment when someone posts something really inflammatory. Does someone have to monitor those/that person's posts?

YouSmegHead Thu 04-Oct-12 05:33:24

Gussie I believe the next big mn campaign should do about fanjo of the fallen variety. It is ridiculous that women believe because they've had children or are a certain age that's what happen. They just accept it shock

Re the tsarina I know something is coming, it's a big project and has started!

My question, one question only? Why do all the web chats have to take place during the middle of the day? The mn census surely shows how many working parents come here, the stats must show how many more users are on at night? Please try and mix it up abit.

Oh and Justine, Carrie and everyone else, thank you. Over the past 5 years I have laughed, cried, sworn, questioned, developed and not gone completely round the bend because of this here mn. So thank you

ripsishere Thu 04-Oct-12 05:55:45

Smeghead (DDs occasional insult despite not knowing what it is), I agree with you. I thank MN for my last 3 or 4 years. I've made some proper friends here and even stayed with one brave woman.

RatherBeOnThePiste Thu 04-Oct-12 06:28:45

grin hides badge

Feel I need to think of sommat!

I will be asleep!

I would like to know how MNHQ knows for sure when someone is a troll-yesterday's horrible dp in the supermarket had me taken in blush

And the site is brilliant kissarse

For those of us who are narky tidy of mind, when we report threads for being in the wrong place or for advertising or whatever, does it secretly piss you off? Do you not think 'oh ffs, let one GO, would you?' ? grin
Or is it a good thing? I know the official line, just wondering about the true reaction.

SoupDragon Thu 04-Oct-12 07:17:59

Is Olivia an attention seeker? Because this thread clearly states that questions are for Justine and Helen yet here she is, barging in with answers already...

grin

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Thu 04-Oct-12 07:41:14

How many adverts should we all be clicking on a week so you can get another server? grin

Thank you very much for the site.

Hello, I'd like to ask about this:

Mumsnet Moonwatch

You may think this is all a bit lentil weaving, but over the last eight-odd years at MN Towers we’ve noticed that things tend to go a bit crazy around here come the full moon. So, with that in mind, we thought a bit of advance warning might help us all to resist our melodramatic tendencies, or alternatively to serve as a timely reminder to dress up in native costume and parade around the garden. Whichever you prefer.

Do you have any data you could share with us? Id love to see moon phase c/w no. of threads started, no. of threads >500 posts, no. of reports, no of deletions, no. of bannings, no. of mentions of the word 'bumsex' ... some pretty graphs would be lovely smile

RatherBeOnThePiste Thu 04-Oct-12 08:26:41

This is all very interesting, but what I'd actually like to know is Team Hooker or Team Knit?

wisden Thu 04-Oct-12 08:26:46

Ooh I would like to know this:

Have you ever had any major disagreements about whether a thread should have been deleted or whether a poster is/isn't a troll?

Also, what was it like when MN first started? Did you really just post and then sockpuppet to make threads and did you disagree with yourselves purely to make the thread an interesting read for lurkers?

BigStickBIWI Thu 04-Oct-12 08:31:51

Oh, and agree definitely with having more webchats in the evening. I'm lucky in that working for myself/working mainly from home means I get to participate in many of them, but not all - and work does have to take priority though you wouldn't believe it from the amount of time I'm on here

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 08:41:11

Before I forget - I would like the option to get rid of threads I'm on in the same way I can delete threads I'm watching, sometimes they go on and on and on and I'd like to click them away.

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 08:41:47

Isn't this chat the one that was mooted some time ago?

OatyBeatie Thu 04-Oct-12 08:45:59

When Cameron came into office he spoke about replacing the term "third sector" with the alternative term "civil society". "Third sector" refers only to not-for-profit organisations and "civil society" refers to all non-state organisations, both commercial and non-commercial. Cameron's verbal preference seemed to be all about creating a big moral distinction between state (bad) and non-state (good) in place of the big moral distinction between services that are offered for profit and those that are offered by not-for-profit organisations.

That has helped to generate a climate where commercial organisations can be invited to run all sorts of services that were formerly in the not-for-profit arena, and even a climate where commercial organisations are invited into the heart of the process of state regulation of commercial activity: the regulation of the junk food industry and of alcohol sale, for example.

In that climate, what is the impact of a commercial organisation like Mumsnet taking on a campaigning role of the sort associated with the not-for-profit sector? As a limited company, without any of the special features that charities, social enterprises and community interest companies have, how can it ensure that its campaigning activities have the right kind of independence from its profit-seeking requirement? Clearly there is good will at MN, but is that enough?

Taking the example of the Let Girls be Girls campaign, that helped to push the government towards a new inquiry into sexualising commercial pressures on children, but it seems also to have functioned as a lossleader that must have helped to draw huge interest in MN from potential advertisers (certainly advertising on MN seems to have grown massively in the post-election period following all the political attention on MN and its consequent high-profile campaigning). And quite damagingly, the inquiry concluded that the emphasis in relation to commercial sexualising pressures should be on commercial self-regulation: I can't help thinking that a retailers' campaign spearheaded by an advertising industry company (Mumsnet) functions quite nicely as a device for retailers to brush off state regulation by saying "leave it to us."

And the whole "Family Friendly" programme seems to blur campaigning and profit-seeking activities: an MN family friendly award seems to act as part of a company's decision to have advertising on MN, and I think the family-safe broadband initiative has gained MN free promotion when the internet is accessed via McDonalds wifi?

Is there something potentially quite dangerous, in this climate where the commercial sector is already encroaching so heavily on the state, about allowing a commercial organisation to encroach heavily into the arena of popular protest and lobbying? Do you ever consider refounding some of your activities in formal not-for-profit structures -- a social enterprise or a charity or whatever?

BigStickBIWI Thu 04-Oct-12 08:48:44

Good question, Oatie. I've wondered about an MN charity too - especially given many of the charitable initiatives/activities that are spearheaded by individual MNetters.

Ok...

Off the top of my head I'd like to ask:

1. What's Olivia been smoking recently?

2. Is it true that MNHQ has a Boris Johnson sex doll?

3. Where's my [raspberry]?

TIA thanks

And can someone give Kat a high5 from me? She knows why.

LineRunner Thu 04-Oct-12 09:08:23

May I also say thank you for the We Believe You Campaign?

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 09:31:05

Oh, this is going to be fun smile.

Loathe as I am to clip anyone's wings, can I humbly suggest we focus mainly on the community management side of things if we're going to have any chance of getting questions answered. Either way, those are the things we're going to address first - that's why I've got Helen here - she's head community team honcho, in case anyone didn't know. Am very happy to come back to do more strategy/policy type chat, if I can't get to those questions today.

Now, fearing that this will become a teeny bit unmanageable in terms of volume, I'm going to lock this thread in a bit until it's time for the chat so we can get on with some other stuff

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 09:34:48

Justine, is it too late to change your initial post on this to say it's the long awaited comm mngmt discussion?

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 09:35:44

Oh, it does say moderation...

MAYBE PUT IT IN BOLD CAPS

heh heh

senua Thu 04-Oct-12 09:37:07

When will this site be re-named parentsnet ?

Well, not parentsnet because that doesn't roll off the tongue but something similarly inclusive that doen't reinforce the stereotype that child-rearing is principally women's work.

wisden Thu 04-Oct-12 09:38:39

Ok My first question was a tad shallow hoping for gossip blush but seriously, when you first had the thought of MN did you have any idea the direction it would take? Did you hope it would influence women in the way it has or was that something that just developed as the site grew? By that I mean, I had never really thought too deeply about rape myths, MN has opened my eyes, likewise with domestic abuse I am ashamed to say as a child I used to partly blame my mum for being abused, please don't flame me for that but having read so much on MN I realise what a victim blaming approach I had. Did you ever imagine you would have such an influence on people?
What was your original hope for the site? (I know that "hope" isn't the right word but can't think of a better one)

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 09:39:48

Hullygully

Justine, is it too late to change your initial post on this to say it's the long awaited comm mngmt discussion?

No indeed - it certainly was inspired by that - and we'll change it.

senua Thu 04-Oct-12 09:40:13

oh, sorry x-posts

OatyBeatie Thu 04-Oct-12 09:43:11

Oh bother, if you change the op it will make me look like a numpty for posting off-topic.grin I thought my question came under the category of "etc.", but clearly this webchat is for issues other than the one I asked about.

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 09:43:31

Can I have a prefect badge?

MaryZed Thu 04-Oct-12 09:46:20

Oh, maybe we should be a bit more serious.

I have asked for a "support" section for niche threads - a bit like OTBT but not deleted after a month. I would really like to see that, to stop repetitive bunfights on sensitive threads.

I also think that some of the trolls need to be dealt with a bit differently. I'm not convinced that "ignore and report" is working, because if we ignore innocent newbies get drawn in and the troll has a field day. I know it's difficult for mnhq to prove it's a troll, but I think the suspending of threads was a good idea (pity it didn't work grin).

I would like to see the topic list drastically reduced - there are some poor people posting in the right topic and being completely ignored sad, whereas other attention-seeking fuckwits get lots of advice which they usually ignore in aibu.

Finally, I don't suppose it's possible, but does "most active" have to include the threads/topics I've hidden - I keep getting drawn back by Most Active into threads that I should really know to stay out of blush.

I'm sure I'll think of a few more.

P.S. No to a "like" button. Even a "trial of a like button" or a "choose if you want it like button" or any sort of a like button at all. Ta ever so.

Are we open again? GoodO.

Clunch Quiche over here <<<<<>>>>>>>>

Afternoon.

Cinnamonkey Thu 04-Oct-12 12:59:25

please can you try to promote the local sections a bit. I ended up going over to netmums looking for local info/friends etc, but it made my eyes bleed so I had to leave the site before I could get any useful info. The local sections are a bit tumbleweedy

Ooh it's open. Marking my place. smile

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 12:59:40

Ok so we are here (well, Helen's in the loo) and very, very conscious we better not be late. So will be firing away almost instantaneously.

BigStickBIWI Thu 04-Oct-12 12:59:42

Hurrah!

Jaffa cake anyone?

Now I was here first so I am clearly the most important.

I just have to think of an intelligent question....

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 13:00:31

Right then

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 13:00:47

<kicks sue>

Ummmmmm <thinks>

Bullying By Hully. That'll be the subject of my question.
<rubs shins>

MaryZed Thu 04-Oct-12 13:01:33

I put my questions ^^ up there.

Non-disappearing alternative to OTBT?

Rearrangement of topics?

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 13:01:38

Ok, let us debate moderation.

Go back to how it used to be with the much lighter touch.

We are not children.

If people are persistent arseholes, ban or shoot them

MaryZed Thu 04-Oct-12 13:03:14

Yes, moderation is too heavy. Too many deleted posts for stating facts, whereas passive-aggressive whingy pokey posts stay.

BigStickBIWI Thu 04-Oct-12 13:03:19

Come on, Justine - type faster!

[impatient]

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 13:03:21

<whistles>

Am I alone?

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:03:23

Hullygully

Stop the mad deletions.

Do not delete unless the insulted wants it. Most of us would rather let the insulter's fuckwittery stand.

Ok so let's start with deletions as a few folks have asked about that.

The problem with leaving fuckwittery unless someone asks for it to be removed, is what about they're not looking in - or have disappeared in a cloud of offendedness? I suppose we feel we are trying to promote a culture of reasonably civilised debate - so leaving eff off you C - even if it proves how unreasonable the insulter is, would give the message that that's ok on MN. So no personal attacks is where we've ended up.

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:03:26

RatherBeOnThePiste

This is all very interesting, but what I'd actually like to know is Team Hooker or Team Knit?

Team Knit. Although I could be a pathetic sub on the bench of Team Hooker.

FunnysInLaJardin Thu 04-Oct-12 13:04:03

yep, much lighter touch needed IMO.

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:04:37

MaryZed

Yes, moderation is too heavy. Too many deleted posts for stating facts, whereas passive-aggressive whingy pokey posts stay.

Give me an eg of deletions for stating facts?

We would delete passive aggressive too btw, if it's clear that's what it is - just report it.

What about if we ask for it to stay? Say I am attacked <sniffs> and report it myself saying 'leave them, they're not worf it' - can it stand? As a Terrible Warning?

BigStickBIWI Thu 04-Oct-12 13:04:53

But Justine - don't you think that leaving other posters to deal with personal attacks demonstrates that we don't tolerate it on MN?

Blatherskite Thu 04-Oct-12 13:05:04

Please, please, please. please, purleeeessee can we have an Evil Grin Smiley?

I need one

TIA

SuperB0F Thu 04-Oct-12 13:05:23

Hide Poster button please: not compulsory but would cut down on fights and goading, and reduce your workload.

BigStickBIWI Thu 04-Oct-12 13:05:24

Yes, Sue - I think that's absolutely how it should work

Has Mumsnet turned out the way you had envisaged when you founded it?

FancyPuffin Thu 04-Oct-12 13:05:30

Hi Justine and Helen

As we have had so many trolls lately would you consider revisiting my brilliant idea that all members have their joining month and year on their profiles or hoverer thingy (proper technical name), at the moment anyone can opt out.

This would confirm whether someone was a longstanding namechanger or a newbie (not that all newbies are trolls but lots of trolls claim to be namechangers) have confused myself now hmm

Also can I come to the office and be in charge for a day pretty please grin

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:05:46

Hullygully

Can I have a prefect badge?

Only if it hasn't got my name on it smile

Ok - more serious Q.

Is there anything that can be done about AIBU as I've pretty much given up on it as a topic. There seems to be some self-styled leaders of the topic who seem to rock up on every thread just to be an arse.

I hate it when people trot out a version of "well it is AIBU so what do you expect", because, actually, you can tell someone they are being unreasonable without being an utter cunt about it.

Also, there do seem to be different posting rules, particularly in regard to a couple of the well established posters, where they can piss about across the talk boards putting posters down and derailling threads as much as they want and seem to get away with it because of who they are. It pisses me off.

SuperB0F Thu 04-Oct-12 13:06:05

<nips into loo with HelenMN for a little snifter>

I'll have you know I've been here since 2002, Puffin <lies>

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:06:32

SheelaNeGig

I'm going to be asleep. Not because you are boring but because I will be awake all night catching babies.

Anyway.......

1. Can you please clarify The Rules regarding freds about freds.

2. When will be be getting a [cake]?

thanks

Freds about freds. Ok, it's fine to start a thread that's connected/inspired by another thread.

What's not fine is to start a thread to insult/mock/trollhunt about posters on another thread or to rehash deleted posts from another thread.

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:06:49

SuperB0F

<nips into loo with HelenMN for a little snifter>

<busted>

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 13:06:52

eff off you c is very extreme

fair enough delete that, but now everythign gets deleted.

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:07:19

TheAngelshavetheOod

I like this one

^Who would you really like to get on for a webchat but haven't been able to persuade?^

George Osborne. He told me "I'm not stupid" when I asked him. To be fair think he has a point.

But he has promised he'll come. We even shook hands on it. So that should be fun.

BigStickBIWI Thu 04-Oct-12 13:07:23

Can we have an organogram [corporate speak] for who does what at MNHQ?

MaryZed Thu 04-Oct-12 13:07:29

Facts like "you are being insulting and abusive". That's a fact, not a personal insult. I have no problem with you deleting "you are a cunt" or "fuck off". But not "your post shows you to be bigoted", when the person is being bigoted, and I have given examples of why s/he is bigoted.

Do you see the difference?

In the old days "you are a cunt" would go but "you are bigoted" or "your opinions are arseways" would stay.

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:07:43

Hullygully

eff off you c is very extreme

fair enough delete that, but now everythign gets deleted.

Like what? Give me examples...

FancyPuffin Thu 04-Oct-12 13:07:56

I've been here since 1983 Sue It was quieter then.

<Lies more>

BigStickBIWI Thu 04-Oct-12 13:08:04

I hope you washed your hand in Domestos, Justine

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 13:08:51

what maryz said^^

exactly

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:09:05

FunnysInLaJardin

yep, much lighter touch needed IMO.

Actually, as Justine posted not so long ago, deletions have actually gone down, not up:

"Out of interest we've checked the deletions thing and surprisingly the number of deleted messages seems to have dropped not risen year on year - even though traffic is up by more than 40%
(these include messages deleted from deleted threads - so one long thread = 1000 deletions)

Jan 1st 2011 to May 29th 2011: 81884 messages
Jan 1st 2012 to May 29th 2012: 72037 messages"

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:09:22

MaryZed

Facts like "you are being insulting and abusive". That's a fact, not a personal insult. I have no problem with you deleting "you are a cunt" or "fuck off". But not "your post shows you to be bigoted", when the person is being bigoted, and I have given examples of why s/he is bigoted.

Do you see the difference?

In the old days "you are a cunt" would go but "you are bigoted" or "your opinions are arseways" would stay.

Yes, I agree, we ought to try and distinguish between these two. It's certainly our intention too. But it's not always easy in the heat of the battle. Will Helen add to this (as she's more often battling than me, these days)

Narked Thu 04-Oct-12 13:09:48

He told me "I'm not stupid" when I asked him

Have you looked at the economy lately? I beg to differ.

OrangeandGoldMrsDeVere Thu 04-Oct-12 13:09:54

Can we have tickers?
BIG ones.
I am serious.
Everybody shut up.

FunnysInLaJardin Thu 04-Oct-12 13:09:56

OK. I got deleted for calling someone smug. I don't see how that is a personal attack. It is a comment about a persons attitude, but it's not an attack

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:10:21

BigStickBIWI

Can we have an organogram [corporate speak] for who does what at MNHQ?

Really?
Ok but not now as they always break my machines [wretched things]

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 13:10:46

While I do not doubt your marvellous statistics, there are a lot of us oldhands who notice a very different feel and approach.

Why might that be then? <genuine>

MaryZed Thu 04-Oct-12 13:10:50

I recognise it's difficult.

But it seems to me that if it is reported (even if it is reported by someone very precious), the default is to delete (for fear of being accused of leaving attacks).

I'd like to see the default to be NOT to delete, only delete in extreme circumstances.

BigStickBIWI Thu 04-Oct-12 13:11:03

Oh, alright, just tell us who does what!

ChristmasKate Thu 04-Oct-12 13:11:04

What are your views on locking a thread whilst you are investigating it, thus giving us slow coaches a chance to catch up before it all starts getting deleted, if it needs deleting in the end at all?

That could help with the Fred about the Fred, what happened to.....

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:11:15

SheelaNeGig

3. How come I never win competitions?

Aw, I'm sorry. It's all done automatically by some clever robot name-puller-out-of-the-bag. Nothing we can do to get your name to pop out first - although we hope it will soon.

At least you're allowed to enter the comps; MNHQ aren't sad

MaryZed Thu 04-Oct-12 13:11:41

MrsdeVere, I would not have directed you here had I known shock. Tickers, ffs.

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 13:11:45

I think your answer above to Maryz's, answers my last question.

FancyPuffin Thu 04-Oct-12 13:12:14

Please please please could you swop it so that fightclub AIBU is deleted in 90 days and _chat, which always has the funny threads stays forever.

BigStickBIWI Thu 04-Oct-12 13:12:31

I agree re the deletions and it does, sometimes, feel like your mum or your teacher is doing stuff on our behalves, which is actually pretty patronising. Surely an attackee should decide whether or not an attack should be removed?

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:12:33

ChristmasKate

What are your views on locking a thread whilst you are investigating it, thus giving us slow coaches a chance to catch up before it all starts getting deleted, if it needs deleting in the end at all?

That could help with the Fred about the Fred, what happened to.....

Yes, we have actually installed the ability to lock a thread so we can do this. It just doesn't work properly at the moment.

As I found out to my huge embarrassment one Saturday night. blush

MaryZed Thu 04-Oct-12 13:12:34

Yes to ChristmasKate's "thread locking".

And leaving threads to be deleted, with explanation at the bottom for 24 hours would stop the fredsaboutfreds.

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:12:44

BigStickBIWI

But Justine - don't you think that leaving other posters to deal with personal attacks demonstrates that we don't tolerate it on MN?

Well it's a fair point. But would self-moderation be consistent? Would newbies and oldies be treated alike? Interestingly we've been chatting to some of the other big forums about how they moderate (money saving expert, AV forums, Pistonheads, The Student Room, the Guardian). Most actually have volunteer, not paid, moderation teams. Certainly made me think grin.

wisden Thu 04-Oct-12 13:13:01

ChristmasKate I'm sure they tried that in the last week or so but it didn't work <snigger>

FunnysInLaJardin Thu 04-Oct-12 13:13:02

the other issue is that a lot of us 'ole timers' just don't report as we deal with any issues on the thread. Tis how we have been brought up. Some newer member report anything and everything

MrsKwazii Thu 04-Oct-12 13:13:02

Organogram tickers? wink

I think a week is plenty for AIBU, never mind 90 days.

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 13:13:44

I think it would be consistent, the vast majority of us are decent and kindly and step in where necessary.

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 13:14:06

yy funnys

absolutely

MaryZed Thu 04-Oct-12 13:14:32

Yup to Funnys - I don't report personal attacks on me. Ever.

Yup to deleting AIBU after 30 days as well.

wisden Thu 04-Oct-12 13:14:36

x post with HelenMumsnet grin

Narked Thu 04-Oct-12 13:14:38

What can we do to make your lives easier in HQ? Aside from discussing nothing but recipes. And not things to do with a mango wink.

volunteer mods would be awful on here - imagine the cliquey accusations.

But we can still decide if we want an attack on us to stand, surely?

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:15:28

Iggly

On a more serious note though please can we improve the local pages/boards? I'm a tsarina thingy but didn't get any info on how to update the pages etc. new mums come here looking for info like baby groups etc but end up on net--huns--mums as it has much better info.

It's coming, honest. And it's really not far away. We have a new Local Editor, Emma who's busy making loads of improvements. (I'll ask her to get in touch direct.)

Everyone else watch this space!

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:15:37

MrsWembley

I think you're all lovely but why can't you have a Christmas bash outside of London? In Bristol, perhaps?

Thank you re loveliness. Aw.

We don't organise the bashes, Christmas or otherwise. We leave that to others much more capable than us. Though we're not averse to coming along and drinking the bar dry

FancyPuffin Thu 04-Oct-12 13:16:00

Volunteer mods would be awful, unless you picked me <hopeful>

Solo Thu 04-Oct-12 13:16:05

Ooh! Justine I thought you were going to say Netmums then grin <relieved>

Blatherskite Thu 04-Oct-12 13:16:08

Agree volunteer mods would be a nightmare. The only posters who would volunteer would be the ones that really shouldn't

LtEveDallas Thu 04-Oct-12 13:16:40

Could Troll Threads be kept but locked, and maybe moved to a Troll Threads Topic?

When they are deleted you get lots and lots of "Whatever happened to..." Threads, lots and lots of "But I don't think she was a troll" and all the useful advice that was given before Troll was called is lost.

??

FrankWippery Thu 04-Oct-12 13:16:50

I knew MrsDV would come and ask for tickers.

ChristmasKate Thu 04-Oct-12 13:17:37

Thanks for the reply.

Kicks techs butt into action.

Is there a plan to thin topics as asked up thread?

I would also like a NN amnesty, although I can imagine it would be a lot of hard work <offers spread sheet help>

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:17:41

FrankWippery

Sadly I'll be at the dentist (really truly sadly) so will miss the fun.

Just wondering, like, what the monthly consumption of gin is with you at MNTowers. Also, does the weekend consumption at least quadruple the weekday total?

Who eats the most biscuits and what are your favourite ones?

Pertinent questions I feel. Ta.

Monthly consumption of gin = shocking.

Weekend consumption of gin = truly shocking.

Chief Biscuit Eater = used to be Justine. But now is probably me. blush

God yes, Blathers. Just imagine.

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:18:19

Narked

What can we do to make your lives easier in HQ? Aside from discussing nothing but recipes. And not things to do with a mango wink.

What a sweet question smile. Erm, be nice to each other, share stuff, tell everyone how great MN is, buy our books, go the Academy courses (they are fantastic btw), use new Local when it comes, click on ads, report transgressions, fill in surveys, give feedback. Kind of all the stuff you do anyway most of the time.

Oh and shout at us less grin.

RatherBeOnThePiste Thu 04-Oct-12 13:18:35

God I love gin.

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:19:03

ChristmasKate

Thanks for the reply.

Kicks techs butt into action.

Is there a plan to thin topics as asked up thread?

I would also like a NN amnesty, although I can imagine it would be a lot of hard work <offers spread sheet help>

Over to Helen - it's on her "To Do" list <<come on Helen, pull ya finger out>>

Sloe gin should be good this year, lovely fat early sloes.
Mmmmm, gin.

BigStickBIWI Thu 04-Oct-12 13:19:26

We all know that Pisstey

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 13:19:27

Oh yes, dear Patrick promised that if we went as a group, we could have a naked chef. I had quite forgot. Must get on to it.

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:19:31

HelenMumsnet

FrankWippery

Sadly I'll be at the dentist (really truly sadly) so will miss the fun.

Just wondering, like, what the monthly consumption of gin is with you at MNTowers. Also, does the weekend consumption at least quadruple the weekday total?

Who eats the most biscuits and what are your favourite ones?

Pertinent questions I feel. Ta.

Monthly consumption of gin = shocking.

Weekend consumption of gin = truly shocking.

Chief Biscuit Eater = used to be Justine. But now is probably me. blush

I've gone all low carb [halo].

RatherBeOnThePiste Thu 04-Oct-12 13:19:31

Peaked too soon there, was carried away by the thought of gin.....

Blathers is right, could you imagine volunteer mods?

Further to threads being deleted - could you leave the thread name up for a while with a "This thread has been deleted at the request of the OP" or "This thread has been deleted as it has been determined the OP was a troll" or even just "This thread has been deleted"

Leave that message up for a day or couple of days, would save me time hours of advanced searching for threads I have a vague memory of & want to know what happened but haven't bookmarked.

caramelwaffle Thu 04-Oct-12 13:20:20

Volunteer Mods would be awful.

I agree with whomever mentioned about the MN Local sections.

Tickers?

No.

**************************************************************
******One week. 4 days. 7 hours till I can have some honey**********
**************************************************************

BigStickBIWI Thu 04-Oct-12 13:20:23

Are you on my Bootcamp Justine?!

<wonders if it's alright to go after Justine with my big stick>

FrankWippery Thu 04-Oct-12 13:20:25

RatherBeOnThePiste Thu 04-Oct-12 13:18:35
God I love gin.

No shit. grin

RatherBeOnThePiste Thu 04-Oct-12 13:20:35

a slim gin is fine Justine, just don't tell BIWI....

FunnysInLaJardin Thu 04-Oct-12 13:20:38

agree with Blather about volunteer mods, the abuse of perceived power leaves me cold

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:20:41

TheAngelshavetheOod

How many of you actually are there ?

There's KatMumsnet, SandyMumsnet, RebeccaMumsnet, RowanMumsnet, OliviaMumsnet, LisaMumsnet, CatherineMumsnet and ToniMumsnet.

We all work different days and shifts, though. So it's usually just one or two of us at a time.

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 13:20:41

See look?

So far this entire chat (apart from gin) boils down to STOP DELETING STUFF UNLESS IT'S EFF OFF YOU C

Easy peasy lemon squeezy

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:21:03

Blatherskite

Agree volunteer mods would be a nightmare. The only posters who would volunteer would be the ones that really shouldn't

smile Plus one of those sites that have volunteer mods, naming no names, just had to pay a £250k settlement in a libel case because the mods left something up they shouldn't... 250k shock That's more than we pay Olivia.

MaryZed Thu 04-Oct-12 13:21:12

Yes, Hearts, that would be even better than leaving the whole thread.

It would stop a lot of arguments, and stay on our TIO.

nottersgotterdog Thu 04-Oct-12 13:21:12

Justine, did you get my email on Monday?

It was very appreciative. grin

FancyPuffin Thu 04-Oct-12 13:21:32

shock

The deleted threads are the ones that cause most freds about freds. It's all 'Dude where's the thread?' grin

I've never pissed off seen ToniMN

Sloe gin = nectar of the gods grin

Narked Thu 04-Oct-12 13:22:05

The deletions thing is based on what is reported isn't it? So if someone reports post Y saying, 'You're a bigot' that might get deleted and leave post X saying, 'All people called Algernon should be rounded up and deported' standing.

Is there a way to flag a thread for MN to look at rather than a specific post? Because sometimes a comment from HQ works better than deletions, particularly on threads where one poster starts to get pilloried.

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:22:25

HeartsTrumpDiamonds

Further to threads being deleted - could you leave the thread name up for a while with a "This thread has been deleted at the request of the OP" or "This thread has been deleted as it has been determined the OP was a troll" or even just "This thread has been deleted"

Leave that message up for a day or couple of days, would save me time hours of advanced searching for threads I have a vague memory of & want to know what happened but haven't bookmarked.

We do actually leave a message up now that displays when you call up the thread.

Did one yesterday about hairy-handedness <most pleasing>

But we need to extend it so it shows up in Threads I'm On or summat because it's clear that not many of you see the messages now.

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:22:34

ChristmasKate

Thanks for the reply.

Kicks techs butt into action.

Is there a plan to thin topics as asked up thread?

I would also like a NN amnesty, although I can imagine it would be a lot of hard work <offers spread sheet help>

We did this once - nickname amnesty - it was so complicated tech-wise I fear they would all stage a tunnelled escape from the shed if we suggested it. But we will think on it I promise.

MaryZed Thu 04-Oct-12 13:22:59

You haven't commented on my suggestion that "you are bigoted" for example isn't an attack. It's a statement.

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:23:11

SuePurblybilt

I've never pissed off seen ToniMN

She's very new. And mostly does general enquiries over the weekend.

We've yet to bloody her on the boards. grin

StripyShoes Thu 04-Oct-12 13:23:40

Olivia should get paid more. She always gets the norty shifts!

Hazing, is that the term? grin

MaryZed Thu 04-Oct-12 13:24:16

See, I don't think "in my opinion your post is very bigoted" or "in my opinion you are talking bollocks" or "I think your views would be unacceptable in polite society" are attacks.

But those are the type of comments that are getting deleted.

EmmaMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:24:36

Iggly

On a more serious note though please can we improve the local pages/boards? I'm a tsarina thingy but didn't get any info on how to update the pages etc. new mums come here looking for info like baby groups etc but end up on net--huns--mums as it has much better info.

Hi Iggly, We are very close to launching our new Local pages, which is why we've disabled the ability to load up listings at the moment. We hope you'll like the new designs and navigation… More from us next week on this. We would still love you to be involved locally, and there will be plenty of opportunities for anyone who wants to join in. I'll PM you with a few more details.

What is a NN amnesty,sorry

Narked Thu 04-Oct-12 13:24:40

I haven't seen ToniMumsnet around. You aren't being mean to the new girl are you?

FancyPuffin Thu 04-Oct-12 13:24:55

I've asked all proper serious questions and been ignored missed out [passive aggressive smiley] secretly cries

So I would like to ask;

Out of everyone you've had in for a webchat who has been the biggest pain in the arse? Have you ever refused anyone?

And most importantly;

Can Peter Andre come in for a webchat?

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:25:02

FunnysInLaJardin

the other issue is that a lot of us 'ole timers' just don't report as we deal with any issues on the thread. Tis how we have been brought up. Some newer member report anything and everything

We do try to exercise some subtlety and take each post as it comes rather than have a list of words/phrases etc that get auto deleted.

All those forums we've just met with have auto censoring of swear words by the way. Couldn't believe we didn't!

RatherBeOnThePiste Thu 04-Oct-12 13:25:06

Can we have a [SwigsGinEmoticon] ?

Could be vair useful.....

Nicknames, Hearts. Giving up all the old sock puppeting names you never use any more.

BigStickBIWI Thu 04-Oct-12 13:25:40

Oh no! I'd almost feel sorry for him grin

When is Katie Hopkins coming on for a webchat?

RatherBeOnThePiste Thu 04-Oct-12 13:26:16

I am looking forward to the fun that will be had if George Osborne dares come in.

Then I'll need the new gin emoticon...

Solo Thu 04-Oct-12 13:26:26

I don't know anything about the previous nickname amnesty, but couldn't a delete button be added so that we can delete our own as we wish?

Blatherskite Thu 04-Oct-12 13:26:35

You missed EmmaMumsnet off your list Helen!

MaryZed Thu 04-Oct-12 13:26:45

Peter Andre would be fine. He'd be too thick to notice the abuse think we all loved him and take all the comments seriously.

All those forums we've just met with have auto censoring of swear words by the way. Couldn't believe we didn't!

Thank goodness as some threads would just be a huge row of *s

bunjies Thu 04-Oct-12 13:26:51

Am I the oldiest Mumsnetter who's still posting? wink And I don't mean in age.

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:26:55

SummerSolstice

Oooooh, and following on from the 'Crap Mummy Awards' thread. What has been your biggest parenting mistake?

Having so many children?

No, seriously, taking it far too seriously first time round. Thinking every time they/I did something wrong it was momentous and meant somehting.

We do actually leave a message up now that displays when you call up the thread..... But we need to extend it so it shows up in Threads I'm On or summat because it's clear that not many of you see the messages now.

That would be great - you see, the problem is you can't "call up the thread" once it has been deleted if you are relying on using the Search function to find it again. I don't always post on the threads I want to look back at, so "Threads I'm On" doesn't always help, and I always forget to watchlist or bookmark too.

KateMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:27:20

JustineMumsnet

TheAngelshavetheOod

I like this one

^Who would you really like to get on for a webchat but haven't been able to persuade?^

George Osborne. He told me "I'm not stupid" when I asked him. To be fair think he has a point.

But he has promised he'll come. We even shook hands on it. So that should be fun.

You asked George Osborne if he was stupid grin?

Ooo yes. List of self obsessed people that need to come for a webchat:

Katie Hopkins
Orange Pete
Samantha Brick
Jiz Loans

and I think lots of people would like that beardy man from the bun baking programme.

StripyShoes Thu 04-Oct-12 13:27:32

I'd love to be a tsarina. How do you apply?

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:27:55

SummerSolstice

What are your most memorable threads? And, as already mentioned, do you post anonymously?

Oooh, have many memorable threads but the one I talk about most to people who don't "get" MN is the lost toy dog on Blackpool pier thread. I heart the lovely MNers who helped that newbie and her DS.

Justine has a fondness for the Centerparcs thread hmm

And yes, quite a lot of us post anonymously.

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:28:35

nottersgotterdog

Justine, did you get my email on Monday?

It was very appreciative. grin

Erm, I don't think so but I'm very crap at remembering things [hedges bets]

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:29:10

Blatherskite

You missed EmmaMumsnet off your list Helen!

Sorry. Was only namechecking the Community team. EmmaMumsnet is Chief Mumsnet Local Person.

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:30:05

bunjies

Am I the oldiest Mumsnetter who's still posting? wink And I don't mean in age.

Nope. That's me. You are number 1433 so suspect there are few others still around.

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:30:10

StripyShoes

Olivia should get paid more. She always gets the norty shifts!

She is paid extra in gin.

NolaFfing Thu 04-Oct-12 13:30:15

OH!

Could we have the Message Deleted By Mumsnet thing changed when one is just quoting a post that gets deleted please?

I suggest:

Message Deleted by Mumsnet But Not For Being Horrible Or Breaking Talk Guidelines But For Repeating A Deleted Post.

You can use that if you like. <generous>

Narked Thu 04-Oct-12 13:30:16

'rather than have a list of words/phrases etc that get auto deleted'

shock [lightbulb]

Can we come up with a list of words that are automatically deleted?

I nominate hubby <shudder>

MaryZed Thu 04-Oct-12 13:30:18

I caught a mnhq-er out once sockpuppeting namechanging on a thread. Her comments came out all blue, but in a different name. It was very funny.

I couldn't share my mirth, though, because I never told anyone and I didn't even advance search the name, because I am a good girl. I did feel slightly smug for a little bit.

BigStickBIWI Thu 04-Oct-12 13:30:30

... which is why I wanted to know who does what!

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:30:57

StewieGriffinsMom

Helen once promised to look into changing the message deleted bit to say: message deleted due to nincompoopery. I am still waiting for that. It is important to me.

Ha! May well practise that one on your next post, SGM...

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:31:02

BigStickBIWI

I'd like to know where Carrie has gone. It's been a long time since I've seen her posting anything here. Unless she is trolling the boards, of course <suspicious face>

She still about but mostly swanning around pressing the flesh and trying to get brands to part with some cash smile.

MaryZed Thu 04-Oct-12 13:31:26

I got a pm'ed explanation and a blush face as well grin

I nominate 'hun' Narked

nottersgotterdog Thu 04-Oct-12 13:31:59

If I said Dave would that jog your memory?

you haven't seen it, have you ?

grin

EchoBitch Thu 04-Oct-12 13:32:21

How many warnings do you give before banning posters?

Do you think you've ever banned anyone unfairly and would you let them return if you reconsidered and felt you may have been unduly harsh?

cocolepew Thu 04-Oct-12 13:32:24

If you all post anonymously is that sock puppetry?

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:32:29

BigStickBIWI

Are you on my Bootcamp Justine?!

<wonders if it's alright to go after Justine with my big stick>

No because I'm too cheaty [swigs her sugary tea]

Blatherskite Thu 04-Oct-12 13:32:34

I like the idea of keeping Op's messages coloured even if they namechange mid-thread. Would make sockpuppeting impossible.

MaryZed Thu 04-Oct-12 13:32:53

Where did Tech and YetMoreTech and DamianTech go?

Is there only one Tech now, or do lots of them post as Tech, or do lots of them do Tech, but only one posts?

[complicated]

BigStickBIWI Thu 04-Oct-12 13:32:54

shock

<waves big stick>

FunnysInLaJardin Thu 04-Oct-12 13:32:59

so HelenMN you mean you sock puppet shock you could be banned for that

How do you keep your cool when trying to stop a bunfight?

I can imagine you pace the office & shout "OH FFS!!!!" whilst necking gin at the screens sometimes? grin

You must want to throttle some posters at times.

Blatherskite Thu 04-Oct-12 13:33:24

Oh and I'll nominate "babba" and "bubs" for my banned words.

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:34:19

EchoBitch

How many warnings do you give before banning posters?

Do you think you've ever banned anyone unfairly and would you let them return if you reconsidered and felt you may have been unduly harsh?

It varies. Depends on the seriousness of the crime/ whether they're trolls or just often cross. Sometimes they might not even get a warning. But on average I'd say 3 strikes is about right if it's for fairly serious stuff Hully's had about 45 I think wink.

BigStickBIWI Thu 04-Oct-12 13:34:19

I think they only last for a few weeks before we wear them out, MaryZed, then they have to be wheeled off into a gentle nursing home for IT folk. NikitaTech is another one ...

cocolepew Thu 04-Oct-12 13:34:31

Ban the word gin, everyone knows vodka is superior.

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:34:46

SummerSolstice

Oooooh, and following on from the 'Crap Mummy Awards' thread. What has been your biggest parenting mistake?

There are so many.

But probably the most memorable was leaving toddler PFB DS1 with his dad for the a whole day. Had never done that before (told you he was PFB).

Came back to find DH asleep on sofa, and DS1 jumping up and down on sofa, yelling, "Look! I'm in the 3.30 at Uttoxeter, Mummy!"

FancyPuffin Thu 04-Oct-12 13:36:43

Blatherskite Thu 04-Oct-12 13:32:34
I like the idea of keeping Op's messages coloured even if they namechange mid-thread. Would make sockpuppeting impossible.

Very much like this, especially if you don't tell one when you introduce it.

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:36:46

MaryZed

Where did Tech and YetMoreTech and DamianTech go?

Is there only one Tech now, or do lots of them post as Tech, or do lots of them do Tech, but only one posts?

[complicated]

So Tech is one of the original founders and is still with us, albeit across the pond.

YetMoreTech operates our servers but has his own company. Occasionally I take him out to lunch to tap into his unfeasibly large brain.

DamienTech left us to go the Student Room in Brighton [sob]

But we have AdamTech and BrunoTech and very newly-arrived GeorgeTech

Will ask them to say Hi.

TheAngelshavetheOod Thu 04-Oct-12 13:36:47

What happened to DarrenMumsnet? Did we scare him off?

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:37:16

Bossybritches22

How do you keep your cool when trying to stop a bunfight?

I can imagine you pace the office & shout "OH FFS!!!!" whilst necking gin at the screens sometimes? grin

You must want to throttle some posters at times.

Ha! It's probably fair to say my screen has heard its share of "Oh FFS!", though everyone else on the Community team is amazingly calm and serene. Puts me to shame.

Yy to throttle wishes. But for the truckers and perves. Mostly

FancyPuffin Thu 04-Oct-12 13:37:33

*anyone

[arse]

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 13:38:14

45?

How very dare you

I'm like a bleeding Crusading Angel of Righteousness me

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:38:22

MaryZed

I caught a mnhq-er out once sockpuppeting namechanging on a thread. Her comments came out all blue, but in a different name. It was very funny.

I couldn't share my mirth, though, because I never told anyone and I didn't even advance search the name, because I am a good girl. I did feel slightly smug for a little bit.

<resists urge to ask you who it was>

trikken Thu 04-Oct-12 13:38:40

Oh yes, was wondering about Darren too.

MaryZed Thu 04-Oct-12 13:38:42

I thought that too Puffin.

It would be very enlightening.

That's a bit smug, that, Hully <awaits deletion> wink

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 13:38:53

Where's my Dazzer? I s he still in the loo?

SmokyClav Thu 04-Oct-12 13:39:26

justine- how many posts are reported (say on a weekly asis)

When you're posting (as a poster under a nc) have you ever had your posts reported??

MrsKwazii Thu 04-Oct-12 13:39:28

<steals BIWI's stick> <legs it>

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:39:35

FunnysInLaJardin

so HelenMN you mean you sock puppet shock you could be banned for that

No. I'm NEVER on the same thread as HelenMN when I'm ANOtherPerson <virtuous>

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 13:40:24

I never thought you might name change to post <naive>

BigStickBIWI Thu 04-Oct-12 13:40:31

Loads more where that one came from, MrsK ...

RatherBeOnThePiste Thu 04-Oct-12 13:40:31

She is a one that MrsKwazii grin
<hugs MrsK>

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Thu 04-Oct-12 13:41:22

Wasn't there a coletteTech?

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:41:37

SmokyClav

justine- how many posts are reported (say on a weekly asis)

When you're posting (as a poster under a nc) have you ever had your posts reported??

We get about 200 mails a day - both Reports and general enquiries/whinges/moans/accusations of being airheaded breeders.

MaryZed Thu 04-Oct-12 13:41:59

To be fair the hq-erwho screwed up (and shall remain nameless) was NOT on the thread with her hq name. Just as herself (presumably). She just went blue, so I knew she was a hq-er.

So it wasn't sockpuppeting.

TheAngelshavetheOod Thu 04-Oct-12 13:42:02

Have you ever had to delete a HQers post for getting carried away on a fight thread?

MaryZed Thu 04-Oct-12 13:42:26

Helen deleted Olivia once, I remember.

I'm prolly responsible for at least five whingy reports a day.

BigStickBIWI Thu 04-Oct-12 13:42:52

When we talk about The Po, do you understand what me mean? (I mean this as a genuine question)

FunnysInLaJardin Thu 04-Oct-12 13:42:56

but how would we know HelenMN<narrows eyes>. You may be sock puppeting as we speak...............

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:43:27

StripyShoes

I'd love to be a tsarina. How do you apply?

We'll get EmmaMumsnet to PM you, StripyShoes

MaryZed Thu 04-Oct-12 13:43:51

Just look for posts saying "Helen is the greatest" Funnys.

Who sounds most like Helen, funnys?

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 13:44:20

What sorts of threads do you go on?

I like the nice calm ones meself with a bit of craft or cooking and that

FuzzyGOLDwood Thu 04-Oct-12 13:44:33

Sorry if it's been asked already (DS just woken up from his nap so haven't read every post) but who are the top 3 on your 'hit list' for a web chat? Also how do you choose who to ask, is it people you like, topical, or those you think will gain most publicity like biscuit gate? Thanks grin

Blatherskite Thu 04-Oct-12 13:44:54

I'm a Tsarina <smug> Have never yet dared flash my Tsarina card though <wimp>

Tee2072 Thu 04-Oct-12 13:44:54

" - that's why I've got Helen here - she's head community team honcho"

First of all, Helen needs a better title. Queen of All We Survey and Post About would be good.

Second of all, I agree about deletions. Hence my call for a day where any and all PAs stand.

I know that's not going to happen. But a girl can dream.

My point, and I do have one, is why can't we say 'you are a bigoted idiot' when someone is being a bigoted idiot? Sometimes you need to call a cunt a cunt. You really do.

And I thank you every day for the existence of MN and especially the non-existence of a swear filter.

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:45:11

OatyBeatie

When Cameron came into office he spoke about replacing the term "third sector" with the alternative term "civil society". "Third sector" refers only to not-for-profit organisations and "civil society" refers to all non-state organisations, both commercial and non-commercial. Cameron's verbal preference seemed to be all about creating a big moral distinction between state (bad) and non-state (good) in place of the big moral distinction between services that are offered for profit and those that are offered by not-for-profit organisations.

That has helped to generate a climate where commercial organisations can be invited to run all sorts of services that were formerly in the not-for-profit arena, and even a climate where commercial organisations are invited into the heart of the process of state regulation of commercial activity: the regulation of the junk food industry and of alcohol sale, for example.

In that climate, what is the impact of a commercial organisation like Mumsnet taking on a campaigning role of the sort associated with the not-for-profit sector? As a limited company, without any of the special features that charities, social enterprises and community interest companies have, how can it ensure that its campaigning activities have the right kind of independence from its profit-seeking requirement? Clearly there is good will at MN, but is that enough?

Taking the example of the Let Girls be Girls campaign, that helped to push the government towards a new inquiry into sexualising commercial pressures on children, but it seems also to have functioned as a lossleader that must have helped to draw huge interest in MN from potential advertisers (certainly advertising on MN seems to have grown massively in the post-election period following all the political attention on MN and its consequent high-profile campaigning). And quite damagingly, the inquiry concluded that the emphasis in relation to commercial sexualising pressures should be on commercial self-regulation: I can't help thinking that a retailers' campaign spearheaded by an advertising industry company (Mumsnet) functions quite nicely as a device for retailers to brush off state regulation by saying "leave it to us."

And the whole "Family Friendly" programme seems to blur campaigning and profit-seeking activities: an MN family friendly award seems to act as part of a company's decision to have advertising on MN, and I think the family-safe broadband initiative has gained MN free promotion when the internet is accessed via McDonalds wifi?

Is there something potentially quite dangerous, in this climate where the commercial sector is already encroaching so heavily on the state, about allowing a commercial organisation to encroach heavily into the arena of popular protest and lobbying? Do you ever consider refounding some of your activities in formal not-for-profit structures -- a social enterprise or a charity or whatever?

Well it's a very good and complicated question which I probably don't have time now to address properly as I'll never get to any other questions but I'll just make a few observations.

First - we certainly did gain "brand profile" from the Mumsnet election thing for sure and we have more advertising than we did. That's partly because we've doubled the size of the sales team, though, I think - we probably could have always had more advertisers.
But the Mumsnet election thing wasn't really of our making. It was Rachel Sylvester at the Times who coined the phrase.

We only campaign on things that, broadly speaking, there's a consensus about. And we certainly do make a big effort to test this.

We tend to avoid issues that are overtly political in the sense that it's clearly a policy associated with one party at the expense of another.

Having worked with around a lot of Third Sector organisations I would argue that many have less accountability than Mumsnet in the sense that very often the single biggest driver of what do is chasing procurement monies. And we have the users, who provide a rather effective check and balance on what we do.

It is possible for something to be revenue raising and worthwhile - I'd argue FF was a good case in point.

Please may you tell whether the proposed "shut down" a thread and hide it until anHQer can cone and check it facility is coming soon?

Not explaining very well, but I think Helen knows what I mean. (sorry,am not well)

But I've seen some beyond the pale stuff on here left to stand for hours, and it's very upsetting.

MrsKwazii Thu 04-Oct-12 13:45:45

I have a bit of a moan about webchats. I'm never sure if I'm going to be able to make them, so tend to post a question early in the thread. However, these then tend to get ignored as the web 'chat' effect comes into play - as it should really otherwise it'd just be a Q&A I suppose - but it can be a bit disheartening.

There is also the possibility that some of my questions are mindnumbingly dull and quite rightly ignored. I don't like that version of events as much though grin

Solo Thu 04-Oct-12 13:45:53

Do you answer the mailed accusations of being airheaded breeders?

SuperB0F Thu 04-Oct-12 13:46:07

I liked YetMoreTech. I used to message him filth, but I had to stop because I knew I'd get drunk one night and go Too Far. Sigh.

FunnysInLaJardin Thu 04-Oct-12 13:46:09

thats what I'm trying to work out Sue. SmokeyClav asked an intelligent and pertinent question and I have never heard of her before hmm

Why does your logo have a baby peeing in his mum's eye?

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:46:40

BigStickBIWI

Good question, Oatie. I've wondered about an MN charity too - especially given many of the charitable initiatives/activities that are spearheaded by individual MNetters.

Yes this is a really good idea and it is something I've really been meaning to look at and try to implement. So I will, honest. Soonish.

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 13:47:07

<admires oaty beatie and feels terribly lightweight>

MrsKwazii Thu 04-Oct-12 13:47:19

<hugs Pistey back> <pokes BIWI from a safe distance>

MaryZed Thu 04-Oct-12 13:47:29

I know I'm repeating myself <whines>

But why are "in my opinion your post is very bigoted" or "in my opinion you are talking bollocks" or "I think your views would be unacceptable in polite society" type comments being deleted?

That's the difference between now and the old days. It really is. You can't tell someone that their opinions are unacceptable without being deleted.

It's the one thing that loads of us get really cross about.

BigStickBIWI Thu 04-Oct-12 13:47:53

yy to Tee re thanks to MN and absence of swear filter. In fact, I'd like to ask that we can have the opposite. Whenever we get the overly twee use of asterisks - someone posting f**k or sh*t - can we have a filter that types out the word in full? If you want to swear, swear. Don't do it half-arsedly.

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 13:48:40

YES

Hear Hear

<falls over back benches>

BigStickBIWI Thu 04-Oct-12 13:48:49

grin at B0F

Arf at BIWI. You're just getting drunk on power now.

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 13:49:02

while I agreew ith biwi, the hear hear was to mary

BigStickBIWI Thu 04-Oct-12 13:49:33

<deflates>

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:49:37

Sparklingbrook

Has Mumsnet turned out the way you had envisaged when you founded it?

In a word, no. I actually didn't really look further than a year out and initially I kinda imagined a sort of Which? for parents.

It's actually turned out much better than I imagined grin

Tee2072 Thu 04-Oct-12 13:49:54

The other thing I meant to say is that volunteer mods only works in a site of this scale if they have a name for just modding and it is in no way connected with their regular posting name.

So you have to chose your volunteers very very carefully.

I am not volunteering, BTW. I would rather hit myself in the head with a huge stick!

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:50:10

MrsKwazii

Please can you change thanks to [flowers] so that literal-minded eejits like myself stop getting it wrong.

And on a serious note, there have been a few threads in recent months from bereaved parents that - after being started in general talk areas, including AIBU - were swiftly transferred to the Bereavement topic, seemingly not always at the request of the OP.

I know that you always have the best interests of the OP in mind, but would you mind reconfirming that automatic reclassification won't happen in future? Often, posters know exactly where they want to post and want more opinions/advice/thoughts that posting in the bereavement topic can garner especially as it seems (from what some posters say) that some people hide that section entirely.

We're on the case about [flowers]. We're going to make it so that if you type thanks, you get [flowers] too. But it's not top of Tech's list, I'm afraid.

And yy re moving/not moving Bereavement threads. As we posted at the time, we did get it wrong there. And we make sure now that, if we think someone who is posting about their bereavement may have put their thread in the wrong place, we will mail them first, just to check and to see if they'd like their thread moved. We would never (now) move that kind of thread without contacting the OP first and being sure that that's what she wants.

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 13:50:13

Boffy, me and Daz really had something. Something good.

And then HE PRETENDED HE HAD LEFT MN

And when I found him, he went into the loo and has never come out. Patrick said.

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:50:35

MaryZed

I know I'm repeating myself <whines>

But why are "in my opinion your post is very bigoted" or "in my opinion you are talking bollocks" or "I think your views would be unacceptable in polite society" type comments being deleted?

That's the difference between now and the old days. It really is. You can't tell someone that their opinions are unacceptable without being deleted.

It's the one thing that loads of us get really cross about.

They shouldn't be, routinely, MaryZed - we will hold internal enquiries.

Hully, you need to post that in Relationships.

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:52:11

FrankWippery

Sadly I'll be at the dentist (really truly sadly) so will miss the fun.

Just wondering, like, what the monthly consumption of gin is with you at MNTowers. Also, does the weekend consumption at least quadruple the weekday total?

Who eats the most biscuits and what are your favourite ones?

Pertinent questions I feel. Ta.

My fave is fruit shortcake. But those days are long gone.

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 13:52:45

I did sue

NO ONE CARED

<weeps for lost days of Dazzer love>

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:52:52

MaryZed

I know I'm repeating myself <whines>

But why are "in my opinion your post is very bigoted" or "in my opinion you are talking bollocks" or "I think your views would be unacceptable in polite society" type comments being deleted?

That's the difference between now and the old days. It really is. You can't tell someone that their opinions are unacceptable without being deleted.

It's the one thing that loads of us get really cross about.

I don't think we do delete those posts now, MaryZed.

Attacks on opinions are fine. Personal attacks aren't.

FrankWippery Thu 04-Oct-12 13:53:27

I think the anti swear filter is an awesome idea. <inflates BIWI some more>

MrsKwazii Thu 04-Oct-12 13:54:02

Thank you Justine. And for adding [flowers] to Tech's 'jobs for when you might have a minute' list - I can imagine that the team aren't exactly twiddling their thumbs.

Tee2072 Thu 04-Oct-12 13:54:13

One more question: have Tech et al tracked down what's causing the 9 o'clock slow down?

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 13:54:33

Also, please check if it is larking or not.

I called Tantrums a cunt yesterday because she called me something or other but we were having a LARK and it was obvious. Very irritating.

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:54:40

NorksAreMessy

What happened to POM the bear?
He came and had pictures taken with D Miliband and D Mumsnet then SUPPOSEDLY vanished.

Wasn't us. Honest.

He spent a couple of weeks at the Towers (mostly in Rebecca's handbag) but then we sent him on his merry way.

Tee2072 Thu 04-Oct-12 13:54:48

Frank, aren't you suppose to be at the dentist? hmm

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:55:00

BigStickBIWI

yy to Tee re thanks to MN and absence of swear filter. In fact, I'd like to ask that we can have the opposite. Whenever we get the overly twee use of asterisks - someone posting f**k or sh*t - can we have a filter that types out the word in full? If you want to swear, swear. Don't do it half-arsedly.

Don't you think having stars are just stupid anyway - it's not like I don't say the word in my head when I read it, so what's the point of them? One bloke at this forum meet up thingy said that they decided what to put in the swear filter by thinking about what would offend his mother. I did quite enjoy that the one site in the group that allowed swearing was the very one designed for his mother.

Oh FFS

Stupid real life. Stupid job. I've nearly missed it.

All the questions have been asked.

<cries>

LtEveDallas Thu 04-Oct-12 13:55:24

What about my Troll Threads Topic? <<whines>> <<needy>>

SmokyClav Thu 04-Oct-12 13:55:36

Haha funnys I am in fact a very long-standing MNer wha had to nc earlier this week for a work-related dilemma!

FrankWippery Thu 04-Oct-12 13:55:40

Fruit shortcakes. Oh my, I could eat packets of them in one go. I do not allow myself to buy them anymore. Mostly because my children also like them and it would mean having to share them. I gave them life FFS, what more do they want?

Tuttutitlookslikerain Thu 04-Oct-12 13:55:43

Can we have some more emoticons?

Sometimes a post warrants something slightly stronger than a biscuit. And something for those of us who like pus porn might be nice!

FancyPuffin Thu 04-Oct-12 13:55:50
Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 13:55:51

So I think that was really useful, we all agree that I'm completely right about everything and someone will nip in th eloo and drag Daz out for me.

Thanks, MNHQ <bouquet>

GentleOtter Thu 04-Oct-12 13:55:52

Would you consider a separate topic for mn who rent accommodation?

Tee2072 Thu 04-Oct-12 13:55:54

That's ace Justine! Did you point that out to him?

"We're mostly mothers...we allow swearing"

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:56:17

Tee2072

One more question: have Tech et al tracked down what's causing the 9 o'clock slow down?

Well no, not quite is the truth but there are some theories floating about and they are at least taking it seriously. So fingers crossed.

BigStickBIWI Thu 04-Oct-12 13:56:34

grin

BigStickBIWI Thu 04-Oct-12 13:56:56

Sorry - grin was to earlier answer!

FrankWippery Thu 04-Oct-12 13:57:12

Tee - I was and I'm back! I went straight from dropping shorty off at school and they saw me early. I am now just waiting for my painkillers to kick in and render me even more useless than I usually am.

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:57:18

GentleOtter

Would you consider a separate topic for mn who rent accommodation?

yes if you think it will be popular?

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:57:21

GoingBlankAgain

Please can we have some pics of the innards of MNHQ. I like to know what I'm dealing with!

There are quite a few on our Facebook page, GoingBlankAgain.

EchoBitch Thu 04-Oct-12 13:57:30

Thought you were at the tooth pullers Frank,got yer gnashers fitted? wink

Tee2072 Thu 04-Oct-12 13:57:40

Ah, see I thought maybe it was a ploy for sympathy so they'd answer your question. grin

OatyBeatie Thu 04-Oct-12 13:57:53

Yikes, I misjudged the webchat and ended up like someone clutching a clipboard instead of an alcopop at the office party. Thanks for answering anyway.

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:57:58

FancyPuffin

*How sad I am that HQ have ignored me*

Oh no <<rushes to find question>>

RebeccaMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:57:59

HelenMumsnet

NorksAreMessy

What happened to POM the bear?
He came and had pictures taken with D Miliband and D Mumsnet then SUPPOSEDLY vanished.

Wasn't us. Honest.

He spent a couple of weeks at the Towers (mostly in Rebecca's handbag) but then we sent him on his merry way.

You can follow what happened here there are some pics of Darrenmumsnet too wink

Sadly Pom got lost in the post a few weeks after he left us sad

MrsKwazii Thu 04-Oct-12 13:58:29

grin Fancypuffin

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 13:58:56

MY dazzer?????

<clutches self>

MaryZed Thu 04-Oct-12 13:59:07

Thanks for this.

I just want to chuck in the "support section" idea again - like OTBT, non-googlable, but not deleted after a month.

Could you add it to the list? Ta ever so.

SuperB0F Thu 04-Oct-12 13:59:20

Helen or Justine, HIDE POSTER? Please?

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 13:59:31

FancyPuffin

*Blatherskite Thu 04-Oct-12 13:32:34*
I like the idea of keeping Op's messages coloured even if they namechange mid-thread. Would make sockpuppeting impossible.

Very much like this, especially if you don't tell one when you introduce it.

Hmm, I see where you're coming from, but what about if someone legitimately namechanged for personal reasons...

Of course we can tell...

Blatherskite Thu 04-Oct-12 14:00:35

But of they namechanged for personal reasons, why would they come back on in their other name to offer themselves advice?

Blatherskite Thu 04-Oct-12 14:00:44

*if

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 14:00:47

Dazz is much older than I had envisaged (tho he does have whiskey)I had imagined a lithe 17 yr old on a skateboard

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

You can leave him in the loo

<fickle>

FrankWippery Thu 04-Oct-12 14:00:54

Echo, you know what I'm thinking.

Tee - I honestly thought I wouldn't be back and would be found sobbing in a field somewhere off the A3. But all is good and my terribly important questions have been answered which is splendid grin

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 14:01:30

SuperB0F

Helen or Justine, HIDE POSTER? Please?

Same old answer really - we think there's a danger of mucho confusion - missing posts etc. We are a discussion site that allows differing and unpopular opinions so it just doesn't feel very Mumsnet.

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 14:01:31

MaryZed

Thanks for this.

I just want to chuck in the "support section" idea again - like OTBT, non-googlable, but not deleted after a month.

Could you add it to the list? Ta ever so.

Hi MaryZed, we did post on your thread in Site Stuff, btw. But yes we will look at the OTBT type 2 thing, for sure.

MaryZed Thu 04-Oct-12 14:01:36

Yes, people shouldn't ever use the two different names on the same thread. That should be a complete no-no, and highlighting the op and their namechanges would stop it.

Blatherskite Thu 04-Oct-12 14:01:39

and if you do tell everyone that you've introduced it then everyone will know and not post on their own threads to out themselves

And it will still stop the sock puppeteers

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 14:02:20

Blatherskite

But of they namechanged for personal reasons, why would they come back on in their other name to offer themselves advice?

no, but say they'd namechanged on another thread - it could out someone unintentionally, IYSWIM?

MaryZed Thu 04-Oct-12 14:02:32

I saw that Helen, and am still pondering it. But I'm worried that in the general areas it would be derailed and upset everyone.

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 14:02:43

where's the fun in that?

I love the sockpuppeteers

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 14:02:57

Tee2072

That's ace Justine! Did you point that out to him?

"We're mostly mothers...we allow swearing"

I think the irony wasn't lost on the room.

SuperB0F Thu 04-Oct-12 14:03:05

I sense some wavering on the Hide Poster though- at the coal-face IYSWIM, Justine <taps side of nose>

EchoBitch Thu 04-Oct-12 14:03:18

wine for Frank. grin <---- is that what your teeth look like now?

FancyPuffin Thu 04-Oct-12 14:03:28

Can we have a 'school gate' topic? I would like to call it the 'grow a pr' but it would be so much easier, just to be able to hide it ....

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 14:03:39

Who would you hide Boffy <disingenuous>

Hold up though Mary - what about Zombie threads? I could NC to avoid outage and then be outed by posting on something that's come to life from six months ago. Not sockpuppeting at all to sometimes post on one thread with two names - i must do it all the time with seasonal changes.

FunnysInLaJardin Thu 04-Oct-12 14:03:46

I see Smokey, but how can I be sure it might be a double bluff/cross type situation

<head explodes>

Solo Thu 04-Oct-12 14:04:14

But what happens if someone nc for a sensitive/embarrassing issue and then forgets to change again? they will be outed and their sensitive issue outed too...

OldLadyKnowsNothing Thu 04-Oct-12 14:04:54

You could stop sockpuppetting by ops by keeping their name highlighted. But that wouldn't stop sockpuppetting within a thread, by someone who is not the op.

Blatherskite Thu 04-Oct-12 14:04:59

Before you go, I'd just like to say 'Congratulations' again to Justine for the Katie whats'erface put down.

It was a thing of beauty

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 04-Oct-12 14:05:10

LtEveDallas

What about my Troll Threads Topic? <<whines>> <<needy>>

Thanks for the suggestion - but do you not think it might become a bit of a Troll Badge of Honour to be put there?

Hullygully Thu 04-Oct-12 14:05:11

Fancy, he's like this now

MaryZed Thu 04-Oct-12 14:05:26

Sue, it would only be the op who was highlighted. If you were on your own resurrected thread, surely you would know?

And if it was a seasonal namechange, it wouldn't matter.

I also sense wavering on the Hide Poster but am far more concerned by the wavering on the like button

LtEveDallas Thu 04-Oct-12 14:05:29

even needier Crying

SuperB0F Thu 04-Oct-12 14:05:37

I've got a list, Hully. Of about three.

Would you like to guess? <ups the disingenuous ante>