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MNHQ, a word in your shell-like please - about these pro-BNP threads... consider this a petition

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TheLadyOfTheGreenKirtle · 12/05/2010 13:46

hasn't this gone far enough? these threads are being allowed to stand which considering the "policies" of the BNP and the views expressed by "activists" is appalling. yes, free speech is wonderful, but some of these threads can be seen as inciting racial hatred, there are many, many, disablist, homophobic, racist remarks made and implied and they always go the same way. the threads are started to cause a bunfight. the BNP will not get anymore supporters on here, so why be deliberately controversial?

mn is a self-moderated site. this is great and one of the reasons i use it. however, the mners are now moderating and saying that we have had enough. we have complained a LOT about this type of thing - please take note!

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whoopsididitagain · 12/05/2010 13:48

well said !!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

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Slambang · 12/05/2010 13:53

Agree - we don't put up with other offensive posting. why this?

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ChickensNeedOpposableThumb · 12/05/2010 13:57

Agreed. As well as being offensive, ignorant etc etc, they are also shockingly dull. Not good for the MN image.

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notMissgusting · 12/05/2010 13:57

agreed

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Nessarose · 12/05/2010 13:58

well said, Theladyofthegreenkirtle.

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Kayzr · 12/05/2010 13:58

Agreed

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Gigantaur · 12/05/2010 13:58

It is disgusting that these threads and specific posts are allowed to stand. It is baffling that certain posters are allowed to continue posting at all considering some of the utter ignorance she posts. let alone the purely offensive shite she spouts specifically to engage in troll like disruption.

But for some reason, because they hide their views behind the "legitimate political manifesto of the BNP" they are allowed to stay.

Its bollox and shouldn't be allowed

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reikizen · 12/05/2010 14:00

All that is needed for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing. I'm sure people supported Hitler/Stalin/Pinochet/Franco's right to free speech right up until the moment the knock on the door in the middle of the night. There is no excuse, tell them to piss off and peddle their crap elsewhere.

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pagwatch · 12/05/2010 14:05

I am undecided tbh.

I think they are a) very dull and b) very nasty but actually people with abhorent views do exist and the rabid arguements articulating disabilist or racist views mean that we don't forget that.

Sometimes talking about issues facing my child I am greeted with 'but support is pretty good and most people are great arn't they'. I think the average population tends to think that those campaigning for rights for people with disability or angainst racism inthe workplace etc etc are just seeking some PC utopia - that people don't face real prejudice anymore.

The fetid ramblings of BNP goons are asalutory lesson to most right thinking people that the world is not equal yet.

And yet on the other hand I really really would like the shit drivel to stop. It is making parts of MN really dull

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wannaBe · 12/05/2010 14:05

Thing is, if people just ignored the threads the aim of starting them in the first place would be lost. But the threads are started because the posters starting them know full well they will provoke a reaction.

I despise the bnp and everything that it stands for. But if we start demanding that bnp threads be banned and posts be deleted then they will argue that their right to free speach is being denied (however distasteful what they say is). But if we just all agree to boycott the threads they will soon slide down active convos and the point will have been made.

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policywonk · 12/05/2010 14:09

I agree with wannabe - stop reading them, stop posting on them. Ignore the trolls and they will go away.

Think we should follow the incitement principle: if posts incite racial/ethnic/other 'isms' hatred/violence they should be deleted IMO. Do any of the posts on the threads do that? I don't read the threads so have no idea.

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TheLadyOfTheGreenKirtle · 12/05/2010 14:16

wannabe, i do try to not post on them (dont like feeding trolls) but they WILL get a lot of traffic and it is upsetting for many, many posters. i tend to read the op then rant at dh about it.

policywonk, i think they do. if you read back over them some of the posts sound like they are lifted right off the BNP recruitment paperwork, lots of use of "all these lesbians/gays..." "all these muslims..." "all these immigrtants...." all ending with something along the lines "the BNP will save england and normal english people from them"

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mumblechum · 12/05/2010 14:19

Agree, we should all agree to ignore DP's new threads and leave them with tumbleweed blowing across them.

I'm sure she'll get bored eventually if no one bites the bait.

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belledechocolatefluffybunny · 12/05/2010 14:21

Agreed. Can you get rid of the tory bashing threads while you are at it please? I can't see any labour bashing threads, it's rather pathetic.

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memoo · 12/05/2010 14:24

I agree with the OP

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Spidermama · 12/05/2010 14:25

I'm with wannabe.

Actually I welcome the chance to read up and understand why real people actually hold these views. There's no point in pretending these people don't exist.

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wannaBe · 12/05/2010 14:26

but by deleting these threads it's a bit like denying these attitudes exist. And they do exist, over 500000 people were prepared to put their names to them, iyswim.

I would far rather that these comments be allowed to be expressed in public, at least then I know who I need to be ignoring and who I don't want to be associating with.

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cheesesarnie · 12/05/2010 14:27

im with pag.i hate the threads but i can chose to ignore and hope others do the same.

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treedelivery · 12/05/2010 14:27

I agree it would be lovely if they vanished in a puff of smoke but I think the fact they are here is good for us.

It keeps us on our toes, reminds us that not everyone is kind, reasonable, charitable and caring. It reminds that we cannot be complacent, and that given the right circumstances this sort of vermin can thrive.

It reminds us to fight the good fight. This is so important as so many of us are mothers. We have the future here right now, playing with their bricks and rattles.

Speaking across the whole forum and making assumptions we are people in living in priviledge who don't perhaps exist in environments where hate is clearly visable to the naked eye, it helps us keep grounded in the reality of human beings. The reality of the nature of the beast.

Bring 'em on, enough rope and all that. But I think anyone who already feels vulnerable or under threat should avoid them at all costs, and let your mn sisters kick their ass for you.

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cheesesarnie · 12/05/2010 14:28

'at least then I know who I need to be ignoring and who I don't want to be associating with.'

exactly!

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noddyholder · 12/05/2010 14:29

IF the posts were encouraging debate and discussion I too would be all for tehm but they are generally a platform for insult and attention seeking and there has never been a decent conclusion to any of them.

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trice · 12/05/2010 14:29

i am against censorship. these people should post so that I can tell them they are wrong.

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ChickensNeedOpposableThumb · 12/05/2010 14:31

Agree with noddy. These threads never explain why people vote BNP. They just throw out something outrageous, then the OP goes away chuckling to herself as MN eats itself. Its trolling, and I have no idea why its allowed to continue tbh.

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ClaireDeLoon · 12/05/2010 14:31

I'm with wannabe too. I don't bother to click on the BNP threads because I know who starts them and that she will be posting rubbish. She's just craving attention and getting it.

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Gigantaur · 12/05/2010 14:33

I am perfectly happy to debate the politics of voting BNP.

I am happy to discuss the reasons for the veiws held by anyone wanting to vote for them or supporting their veiws.

But what DP does has very little to do with the politics.
she refuses to discuss anything other than those issues she knows will offend and upset.

her threads are a perfect example of trolling. deliberatly posting contentious threads in order to upset and offend.

genuine political debate is fine, no matter what the subject.
deliberatly posting to cause offence should not be allowed

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