is there a moldies part three?

(1016 Posts)
Tortington Sat 03-Jan-09 15:31:23

just wondering, as i can't find it.

slayerette Sat 03-Jan-09 15:33:16

No, let's start one.

why are you even interested custy? (that's not a snide comment, just wondering why we can't forget about it and get on with enjoying the benefits of MN without worrying about those who want to have their own group?)

JuliaFrogspawn Sat 03-Jan-09 15:35:18

Ooh gosh yes let's. It's the very reason I get up in the morning. hmm

Mamazon Sat 03-Jan-09 15:36:52

well i wish someone would tell me what has hapened abuot it all. i've not been online since forever

dittany Sat 03-Jan-09 15:37:22

Can I just say hun points and royalty points?


I think if there is going to be a thread that should be its topic.

Mamazon Sat 03-Jan-09 15:38:59

well i hope im well up there with the roaylty points. i have a crown and everything

Flightattendant7 Sat 03-Jan-09 15:48:09

Agreed Dittany. Everyone who was remotely upset by the whole scam ought to be informed. It changed my perspective immeasurably. smile

SinkingontheTitanic Sat 03-Jan-09 15:48:26

I realise this won't mean much to you as I am incognito. I did this to protect someone else.

I found out today that I was nominated for Moldies and my nomination was turned down. Before, I thought I had simply been overlooked or deemed not important enough. Now I know one or more people actively dislike me. This is infinitely worse.

I don't care if you recognise me, but please don't out me because I only know this because a Moldie told me this was so and she is anxious not to be seen by the other Moldies as having talked.

Flightattendant7 Sat 03-Jan-09 15:50:34

Oh that's horrid for you. i think it'd finish me off if I knew I'd been actively rejected tbh

although I've no reason to suppose I wasn't hmm

and neither have most of us. Take small comfort in that maybe..

TWINSETinapeartree Sat 03-Jan-09 15:51:32

I am very sory to here that Sinking. The more I find out about it the less I think you are missing out on anything special. if someone doesn;t like you and they approve of all the other things this site has done or stands for I would take it as a compliment tbh.

awful sinking, but why would you want to be part of a group like that?

dizzydixies Sat 03-Jan-09 15:52:36

oh sinking thats really shit - I haven't taken much to do with this as I don't really care but that side of it is really pants sad

SinkingontheTitanic Sat 03-Jan-09 15:52:45

Yes for the first time that other place does not look so attractive anymore. Feck the fecker who vetoed me. You have never even met me and yet you deem me someone you don't want to talk to. Fecker.

Mamazon Sat 03-Jan-09 15:52:58

well i dont know who is moldey and who isn't. i have no idea if i was nominated and rejected or if i was so insignificant i wans't even thought of.

i couldn't really care less

pipsqueak Sat 03-Jan-09 15:53:57

am i the only one who wants to know who is a Moldy? nosy i know but i am way curious about who they are !

pipsqueak Sat 03-Jan-09 15:54:00

am i the only one who wants to know who is a Moldy? nosy i know but i am way curious about who they are !

georgimama Sat 03-Jan-09 15:54:11

Stop the madness!!!!

Flightattendant7 Sat 03-Jan-09 15:54:38

<<Gives Mamazon a Hun point just to see if she cares>>

evil grin

dizzydixies Sat 03-Jan-09 15:55:57

good for you sinking - fecker that they were grin

whats a hun point btw?

Tiggiwinkle Sat 03-Jan-09 15:56:27

Well I have certainly revised my opinion of all those posters who have become moldies-and lets just say it is not an upwards revision!

StealthPo09IsHere Sat 03-Jan-09 15:57:04

I am sadly coming to the conclusion that there shouldn't be a third thread. Despite people still wanting to talk about it (me included) there are too many people who, instead of just clicking hide come on to have a go. Or to say "grow up and get over it - don't see why you're upset". Even though people like Custy and Sinking have explained over and over again they either don't read those posts or deliberately ignore.
Don't know which is worse - to be mominated and found wanting, or to be overlooked. But I know which happened to me Also, considering the voting only went on for a day or so, they were very busy blackballing during that time, weren't they? hmm

SinkingontheTitanic Sat 03-Jan-09 15:57:11

I am glad for you Mamazon, I truly am. I wish I didn't care but the truth of the matter is, I do.

I think the best thing I read on this subject was when someone said that a lot of people on forums such as this are shy or in some way socially inept, so when they get rejected even a virtual rejection, they are the least able people to overcome the hurt they feel. That described me. If you really truly don't care about rejection or being overlooked, then I admire you.

StealthPo09IsHere Sat 03-Jan-09 15:58:15

Sinking, you were probably rejected because X or Y didn't actually know you, or Z was having a bad day. Come on, it's hardly a fair or rational system!

Flightattendant7 Sat 03-Jan-09 15:59:40

I agree - a lot of people just got vetoed because the ones in charge apparently didn't 'know' them personally - from what I can gather.

dizzydixies Sat 03-Jan-09 16:00:04

oohh Stealth - loving the new year name grin

SinkingontheTitanic Sat 03-Jan-09 16:01:45

No, I was told that all the rejections were for good reasons ie not just because someone was unknown. I know far more than I should know, but I am not going to say all. Contrary to what someone thought about me, I am a decent person. wink

Flightattendant7 Sat 03-Jan-09 16:04:19

I'm sure you are smile

Got me worried now!! arghhh

I care and I'm sorry people have got hurt. But have been through this with a RL group of yummymummies and that was harder. I do understand why people are upset and want to talk about it, but I really wouldn't want to be part of a group who are voting on who can or can't join in their group. I'm glad that there are so many of you lovely MNetters who are still here for all of us.

wannaBe Sat 03-Jan-09 16:04:49

When people feel the need to discuss the goings on on a website over and over and over again just so they can get worked up and upset over it all again it's time to step back imho.

So there's another website. Big deal. And some posters who thought they were more popular than they were weren't invited to join. Oh well.

Is it the fact there's another site that people are upset? or is it the fact that people who thought they were part of the in-crowd turned out not to be? If those who are up in arms about moldies had been invited would you have said no? Somehow I don't imagine so.

Mn is a website. Moldies is a website. If friendships from here are real then they will have moved from the internet into more real forms like email/phone/meeting up in rl, in which case there should be no need for invites to other websites as you will be conversing with those friends away from the net anyway.

Fwiw I am not a moldy neither have I been invited to join, but I do have a rl friend who is. So what. I'm sure I have other rl friends who I haven't met online who do things in which I'm not included either.

Friendship is not exclusive. If I'm friends with someone doesn't mean I have a right to access every part of their life/have an entitlement to join in everything they do.

StealthPo09IsHere Sat 03-Jan-09 16:04:50

were you deemed not worth as well Flight?

Flightattendant7 Sat 03-Jan-09 16:05:58

Oi dunno, stealth. Oi hav not been 'hinformed of such grin

Probably....I wouldn't be surprised! But rather not know I think or I'd be really upset.

georgimama Sat 03-Jan-09 16:07:00

What wannabe said.

While people are obsessing here about this issue, there are people who want to be part of MN posting about real problems, or just wanting to chat, who would love you to reply.

Are any of you lawyers? Please look at my thread if so.

Threadworm Sat 03-Jan-09 16:07:30

I was activley rejected too, apparently. I think the selection process was just too chaotic for me to infer from rejection that I am actively disliked. I hope that is true.

So I would try not to worry about it too much, sinking.

Anyway, the reason I came on to this thread was to say for god's sake stop discussing moldies. I thought the discussion might die with the last thread. What on earth more os there to be said?

Enough, please.

Flightattendant7 Sat 03-Jan-09 16:08:47

Thready if anything it was probably envy that you might be more popular than they

You are very funny and nice and have good user names. IMVHO smile

seeker Sat 03-Jan-09 16:09:52

I think I would rather have been actively rejected than completely overlooked!

Threadworm Sat 03-Jan-09 16:10:03

grin That is a very kind comment, Flight.

Tortington Sat 03-Jan-09 16:10:41

i would expect a friend not to keep a secret wanabe to be fair,

and a little <shrug> for those who think it needs to be left - leave dont bump or talk about it. let those who want to - do. I don't mid it it fizzles out on its own, becuase b=people have said what they want to and that;s that - even if its said over and over again.

thats infinatley better imo hanbeing told by people to stop posting its rather like


lets draw a line under it - does anyone remember that? it was so infuriating and rude. if your done with it - then move on - if it des - great

but posters and the not starting a new thread by MNHQ shouldn't mean that those few who want to shoul be able to don't you think?

Flightattendant7 Sat 03-Jan-09 16:10:46

Lol seeker!

Georgi - I am trying to respond to my legions of needy posters at the same time as mopping tears over ere.

Somebody's got to do it wink

BBBee Sat 03-Jan-09 16:12:07

sinking - are you sure you were 'activley rejected'? from what I can make out it could be for very little things. The process was chaotic and haphazard rather than calculated and like opius dai or that bit in the film eyes wide shut.

BBBee Sat 03-Jan-09 16:13:39

agre i alwys found

really patronising.

TWINSETinapeartree Sat 03-Jan-09 16:14:06

Me too seeker!

Georgimama people are on more than one thread. I am not a lawyer so dont think I could help on your thread but hope I have on others.

I popped in thinking this was a joke and was going to pop straight back out when I saw that another MNer was upset.

dittany Sat 03-Jan-09 16:15:03

I keep thinking these threads should die now, but actually the only way for it to happen is for people to stop posting on them and that would include the people posting to tell everybody else to stop. If the latter want them to stop the first person they should try to stop from posting is themselves.

Although I am glad they went on for quite some time because otherwise we'd never have heard of hun and royalty points and wouldn't have got that particular larf.

StealthPo09IsHere Sat 03-Jan-09 16:16:45

Can people please just hide instead of popping on to say stop talking about it? If not, why not - please explain!

georgie, I saw your thread but can't help I'm afraid!

TWINSETinapeartree Sat 03-Jan-09 16:17:30

I think this may be briefly resurrected because of Aitch's postings last night. It made me briefly mad again but I quickly went back to thinking the other site is ridiculous.

BBBee Sat 03-Jan-09 16:18:00

i agree that they have gone on for a long time, but then new things like sinkings situation are coming to light and people want to talk about it.

It is a bit hearltess to cry 'enough already' if there are people who still need to talk about stuff.

kiltycoldbum Sat 03-Jan-09 16:21:48

ive not been around much, i do not know what moldies is, im intrigued but can live without knowing

i do however have a serious problem with the stuff in my bathroom, the ventilation is pants.

StealthPo09IsHere Sat 03-Jan-09 16:24:09

in a shower cubicle dettol mould and mildew remover is fantastic.
On a painted ceiling, some bleach on a tissue does a fairly good job

wannaBe Sat 03-Jan-09 16:25:57

sinking you sound like a stirrer tbh.

namechanging to tell people that there are moldies talking who don't want to be identified? to tell people that everyone who was rejected was rejected with good reason? hmm

kiltycoldbum Sat 03-Jan-09 16:26:20

its the very top of my walls (painted) shall try the bleach probably cheaper than buying those bottles of mould remover stuff from the shops! thanks stealth! smile

fruitbeard Sat 03-Jan-09 16:36:57

<peeks in>

I find it interesting (and yet somewhat depressing) that the people who keep posting that this should be dropped now are Moldies.

It will die when people are fed up posting about it. Until then I don't think anyone has the right to dictate who should talk about what and when they should let things go.

Kilty (fan of Denise Mina?), Stainstopper/damp resistant paint is fantastic if you've had mould/a leak somewhere - it sprays on and you repaint afterwards - keeps things looking lovely, I've found.

Lulumama Sat 03-Jan-09 16:40:27

sinking that is precisely why i think the voting process was such a bad idea, even if it was only for a 24 hour period

to be judged and found wanting by your peers, without knowing you were bieng judged and on waht criteria is why this is a bone of contention

as i have said again and again and again

<<head spins>>

no problem with mouldies per se ,but that part of it is indefensible

StealthPo09IsHere Sat 03-Jan-09 16:43:08

fruitbeard we have looked for mould resistant paint, didn't realise there was something out there - thank you

coppertop Sat 03-Jan-09 16:47:47

I think I only posted on one of the initial threads about this but tbh nothing makes me want to post more than people coming on and telling me that I shouldn't.

It's only on one thread so it's not exactly cluttering up Active Convos is it?

sarah293 Sat 03-Jan-09 16:49:35

yeah, someone saying to stop is like telling a 2 yo something grin
To be honest I don't know if I'd be more hurt over being overlooked or actively rejected. I did feel a bit unhappy knowing there's people I took time to help who obviously think nothing of me. But ho de hum.

fruitbeard Sat 03-Jan-09 16:54:44

here y'go. Does exactly what it says on the tin - it doesn't specify against mould but we found it did the job for our problem.

georgimama Sat 03-Jan-09 16:57:15

Could I just state catagorically that I would love all this to be dropped and I am not a Moldie. Nor ever likely to be, since I have never worshipped at the altar of Cod nor felt any inclination to do so.

I'm just ever so aware of bored Sindie journalists hard pressed for their next deadline now watching MN with great interest and thinking it hilarious that we are still going on about this.

FWIW I have just skim read "Moldies Part 2" where Aitch "revealed all" and I still don't know what royalty points or hun points are. I will have to live with this omission from my life.

Flightattendant7 Sat 03-Jan-09 16:58:40

By onebatmotherofgoditschilly on Sat 03-Jan-09 10:42:50
have we heard about huns and royalty yet? If this is to be the last of the threads we may as well get every ghastly detail out there in the public domain...

Each poster had a counter below their avatar. If other posters liked the quality of the post, they could add one 'royalty' point anonymously. If they didn't like it, they could add a 'hun' point anonymously.

No-one seemed to have a problem with it but me and most said they thought it was just a bit of fun, but I thought it added to the general feeling of judgeyness..

Or has this already been menitoned?

Flightattendant7 Sat 03-Jan-09 16:59:11

There you go Georgi. Just for the record!!

fruitbeard Sat 03-Jan-09 17:01:03

Sorry georgi, confused you with someone elseblush.

I'd imagine the royalty/hun points are like Karma points on other boards I've frequented - you can give/deduct them to/from other posters if you like/dislike them and can customise them as something other than Karma. One board I was on we used to consistently give the owner of it negative points (total bastard vs. good egg points in that particular case)just to wind him up...

Seriously Flight - they could 'royal' or 'hun' each other? Oh good grief!

StealthPo09IsHere Sat 03-Jan-09 17:03:45

have a glass of wine hun!
Flight - you've abandoned the waffles angry

Flightattendant7 Sat 03-Jan-09 17:06:38

I have left it to Riven. I think it would be a bold day in hell before I can solve it blush

IQ of 135 and absolutely bloody rubbish at quizzes grin

Flightattendant7 Sat 03-Jan-09 17:06:55

cold day

obv blush

Flightattendant7 Sat 03-Jan-09 17:07:20

but I am good at snogging. grin

georgimama Sat 03-Jan-09 17:13:11

Oh dear God.

And there are people here who wanted to be part of this?

coppertop Sat 03-Jan-09 17:15:47

Was being Hun Royalty an option, I wonder?

<considers the possibilities>

Flightattendant7 Sat 03-Jan-09 17:16:56

There have been no denials, thus far...hmm

Mercy Sat 03-Jan-09 17:20:02

Ok, I don't have an avatar (is that a picture thing?), quite a few people didn't iirc. I also don't remember seeing any royalty/hun stuff - something about number of posts made though I think.

Do you know I'm kind of wishing an avatar was some sort of internet bird after all. Mine could be a condor - and when anyone disagreed with me I'd just get it to stretch it's wings all over their post. Ah - happy days smile

Any more of that wine stealth hun?

Flightattendant7 Sat 03-Jan-09 17:22:58

<<disappointed>> smile

hullygully Sat 03-Jan-09 17:23:44

I know this is a terrible bore etc, but I have been away for a few weeks and have absolutely no idea what the mouldy thing is. PLEASE will someone tell me?

cocolepew Sat 03-Jan-09 17:25:12
StealthPo09IsHere Sat 03-Jan-09 17:25:28

Can I be a parrot? Cawww caww.
No, sorry <<hic>>

georgimama Sat 03-Jan-09 17:27:27

Oh hullygully, search the archives. I never say that. But there are over 7000 posts, some of which are still there.

It was an invite only board set up by some MNers. It was gradually found out about the other week. Lots of people are upset. Lots of people don't care. Some are pleased that's where certain posters went.

Of course you can be a parrot - but you won't get any points just repeating other peoples posts you know.

<<flaps wings>>

<<knocks over wine bottle>>

<<folds wings in as sheepish a manner a very, very big bird can manage>>

SinkingontheTitanic Sat 03-Jan-09 17:42:46

I can see why you think I am stirring wannabe but I didn't see it like that when I felt compelled to post. I wish I could post in my real name - I don't care for myself - but I am protecting someone else.

I am beginning to wish I had not posted now as I realise I only did it to satisfy my own sense of hurt.

Nevertheless, to all those who say please can we stop talking about this now, would you like it if someone did that to a thread you felt strongly about? The whole point of keeping it all on one thread was so that you could hide the thread if you did not want to read the endless drivel the rest of us cannot help coming up with. It is like a red rag to a bull asking people not to post anymore.

georgimama Sat 03-Jan-09 17:45:03

No I wouldn't like it. It has been done to me too.

I'm just suggesting this is actually helpful to those who say they feel hurt, and that they should post about something more positive instead.

georgimama Sat 03-Jan-09 17:45:21

isn't helpful I should say.

so, is cod the founder of mouldygate than?

Threadworm Sat 03-Jan-09 17:48:18

I appreciate that it is annoying to be asked to stop discussing this. But I don't think it is true that such a request is dictating what people should post. It is a request.

The reasion I have made the request is that ... well, two things. One is that the discussion does touch on subjects I find a bit hurtful, and it is hard to keep the threads hidden when you know that there might be more hurtful content coming up, etc. So you look. It's like picking a scab.

The second reason is that from time to time really hurtful things are said, and I don't want anyone remaining in the discussion to be badly hurt.

I entirely understand if people do decde to keep on discussing. They are perfectly entitled to. Just like I am perfectly entitled to ask them not to.

SinkingontheTitanic Sat 03-Jan-09 17:53:45

Point taken. I had stopped posting on this topic. I managed quite a few days without it. It was the new personal revelation that got me started again.

I agree. I am off to post something cheerful somewhere else. Don't follow me!

And I won't condemn anyone who still wants to talk about this.

Nighbynight Sat 03-Jan-09 18:50:34

cheers custy, was wondering when this thread would start!

Sinking, I can only say that if I had discovered what you did, then I too would have had strong post away. If you now feel better, then thats good.

I reckon we needed this thread, to laugh at Hun and Royalty points.
Onebat, please swear you weren't making that up, just to make us all feel better?

Tiggiwinkle Sat 03-Jan-09 18:56:33

Please, don't come on here telling other people to stop posting.

For goodness sake, if you don't want to read about something, don't open the thread. Simple as that! Why do you need to comment at all?

Tallis Sat 03-Jan-09 19:12:16

Am generally a lurker rather than a frequent poster, but just wanted to say how relieved I am to see Lulumama's name on this thread. One of the best parts of recent kerfuffle is realising how many MN stalwarts, whom so many of us depend on for advice, are still here. Let's hear it for Rump Mumsnet. I reckon there's enough of you around to keep the home fires burning...

lol nighbynight.....I kinda think maybe onebat is lying about it....because, I am sure that some that I suspect to be mouldies (grin not a spelling mistake)were always so disregarding of avators and tickers and some such silly things....surely, they would not drop down to a hun/royalty point level grin

Mercy Sat 03-Jan-09 19:17:40

Fairladyrantalot - cod is not the founder of Moldies. She had to leave MN because people she knew in RL worked out who she was . I don't know who they were, what was said etc

oh right....a post on this thread made it sound as so she was.....I possibly have misunderstood it....
I knew cod had gone a while back....wasn't sure why, etc....

ScottishMummy Sat 03-Jan-09 19:20:12

i hope the moldie debacle is diminishing and we return to business as usual.the nub of the moldie issue imo was a few big heads thought they were bigger than MN.began to conceptualise themselves as older/wiser/more incisive than others.a creeping wave of entitlement feeling better than other posters.gushy and sycophantic little MN royalty quips

well so wrong

MN is not about who is whom,it is about all the posters.Including the silent majority who didnt feel need to bray about alleged good ole days or shout newbie at everyone

very true scottish

dittany Sat 03-Jan-09 19:26:21

It must have been sad for people who had been around a long time if they saw Mumsnet change from a rather cosy group to maybe a slightly more democratic free for all.

On the other hand the some of the leavers did go about leaving in a very conceited manner, which may have hidden their sadness and disappointment and thus made it hard to sympathise with them.

I wish they'd just said "We're off to chat with Cod, we may be back every now and then to see you all" rather than what happened which left a nasty taste because of all the secrecy and perceived elitism.

ScottishMummy Sat 03-Jan-09 19:36:12

tbh it feels less toxic,not as many so called "oldies" or hanger-ons squawking about good ole days

sure MN undoubtedly must have changed.however such movement and change adds vibrancy,and spontaneity

FiveGoMadInDorset Sat 03-Jan-09 19:38:20

It is more open and less dominated, people I think now have a chance of being heard rather than dismissed.

Mercy Sat 03-Jan-09 19:39:09

Dittany, Moldies wasn't set up by or for cod

daftpunk Sat 03-Jan-09 19:40:41

i think cod would have had more sense......

ScottishMummy Sat 03-Jan-09 19:43:08

i agree some posters used to rush to be first to post "Yawn" or squawk "troll/newbie" just for kicks

morningpaper Sat 03-Jan-09 19:46:45

they don't have hun/royalty anymore

rumour hazzit that it is something about penis size


morningpaper Sat 03-Jan-09 19:47:26

and grin

dittany Sat 03-Jan-09 19:49:56

Mercy, it was noticeable that Moldies came into its current existence when Cod was forced to leave here and find somewhere else to post. To an outsider at least it looked like a lot of her friends went over there with her after suddenly deciding that Mumsnet wasn't the place it used to be and making a big fuss about it. I know she didn't set the place up.

ScottishMummy Sat 03-Jan-09 19:50:31

well,i favour the republic.any megalomaniacs or royalty off with their head.

Vive La Republique! Vive La MumsNet!

lol scottish.....

lol morningpaper....

SoupDragon Sat 03-Jan-09 20:00:33

I can see this hasn't improved at all in the 24 hours I spent away.

Anyway, before I go again I need to say a couple of things
1) I'm not a Moldie so people can feck off with their snide remarks and any assumptions (from the last thread and any future remarks). I'm not b*ggering off to post there.
2) I was invited to join. I couldn't be ar$ed. I then signed up to see what all the fuss was about last week or whenever it was. My membership was never approved and no reason offered so I assume I was rejected. [shrug] Do I give a damn? No. Do I feel hurt or unworthy? No. Do I navel gaze and wonder about it? No. Are some of my "friends" Moldies? Yes. So what?
3) Do I think Moldies have anything to apologise for? No more than people who have posted here TBH. There has been bad behaviour on both sides IMO.

That's it.

LittleDonkeyCarrieMaryMumsnet (MNHQ) Sat 03-Jan-09 20:04:24

Hello all and Happy New Year to anyone who hasn't had a Happy new Year from us yet. smile

We've been tempted in last few days to come on and say please can we wrap this up, not because we want to stop folks from talking about what they want to talk about (as if they'd take any notice anyways grin) but because it seemed as if the thread/s was/were just re hashing old arguments and in the process more folks seem to be getting hurt/cross/upset, which, as we always say, is not what Mumsnet is here for.

On the other hand every time we've been about to post the thread seemed to have died down and the conversation become more positive (or at least moved on to discussing piles or real life mould ... you know who you are) and we've been loathe to bump the thread, which is one reason why we haven't been all over these threads. That and the fact that some of us have been on hols shock And some of us still are (officially anyway wink)

But we did wonder if maybe it is possible that it might just be time to move on and talk about some of the other fascinating stuff on Mumsnet this fine Saturday night ... erm like fixing someone's car and washable sanitary know the big stuff in life.

Anyway, as we say we're not in the business of censorship, but neither do we want to see any posters, old or new, dissed, hurt or upset.

Am afraid we've (nearly) all been let out of MNHQ for the night tonight (yippee!) but as ever, any complaints about this post, this thread, or indeed anything else that's wrong in life, please address them to grin

roisin Sat 03-Jan-09 20:04:34

Hello Soupy!

ScottishMummy Sat 03-Jan-09 20:05:11

thanks soupy for popping back just to reflect on 24hr wasted on mn.well you no likey no read it.simple!

hell you will never get the time back,doll

RustyBear Sat 03-Jan-09 20:09:41

Carrie - why don't you just let the 'new look' loose - should sweep any other discussions straight off the board......


Thomcat Sat 03-Jan-09 20:11:24

So, part 3 and is there anything new being said? Just wondering? And are people starting to feel better or do people just want to keep talking about it, sort of like picking at a scab?

It kind of feels like the Daily Mail and Ross/Brand thing, but MN is the DM and MNoldies are Ross/Brand!

chipmonkey Sat 03-Jan-09 20:14:09

ScottishMummy is such a pillar of

chipmonkey Sat 03-Jan-09 20:15:14

That's one thing I miss about being a child, TC. Soooo many more opportunities to pick at scabs!grin

LittleDonkeyCarrieMaryMumsnet (MNHQ) Sat 03-Jan-09 20:15:38

Like your thinking RustyBear... sadly need a couple of the folks who're on hols to come back before we do that, but at this rate we may have to jet em back early grin!

Now really am off, dh getting cross!

morningpaper Sat 03-Jan-09 20:17:16

lol @ poor Gerry

chained in the dungeon of Mumsnet towers with nothing but a crappy Mac for company

she must be exhausted

ilovelovemydog Sat 03-Jan-09 20:18:40

There's a thread on washable sanitary towels? hmm

ScottishMummy Sat 03-Jan-09 20:22:35

never mind mingeswink lets talk mascara,i want black,no clumps.last the

lol ilove....lets erm...hope there isn't.....but somehow it would not surprise me if there is a mooncup thread though grin...that much I know...

GeraldineMumsnet (MNHQ) Sat 03-Jan-09 20:23:38

Touched that someone feels my pain hmm (but less of the 'crappy mac', thank you v much)

randomcupsoftea Sat 03-Jan-09 20:23:46

The city lights will beckon those sitting round the moldie campfire.

ScottishMummy Sat 03-Jan-09 20:25:23

as the wind howls through their mooncups and straggly hair..will the miss us and say nae place like hame

revjustaboutwipestheslateclean Sat 03-Jan-09 20:27:07

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Lulumama Sat 03-Jan-09 20:29:31

right ladies, shall we repair to the BBBBBBBAAR?

oh lol at is the cult coming along grin

sarah293 Sat 03-Jan-09 20:31:00

off to watch Holby. Will Toby drown or not. Edge of seat stuff here grin

DumbledoresGirl Sat 03-Jan-09 20:31:40

WWB used to be the one to go to about washable sanitary towels. And there was once a happy thread about what to do with the menstral stew left over from washing the pads. Now tell me the good ole days weren't better. wink

GeraldineMumsnet (MNHQ) Sat 03-Jan-09 20:32:21

Excellent. I TOLD my esteemed employers that people would think Gerry was a bloke.

revjustaboutwipestheslateclean Sat 03-Jan-09 20:32:44

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Thomcat Sat 03-Jan-09 20:33:03

Oh no, come on, let's just keep all talking about it for the sake of it, for sport, wasn't this the point of starting a part 3 in the first place? Because part 3 was started but nothing actually needed to be said did it (?), it was just started, for fun, or so that people could keep on (and on and on) airing their grievances, so come on, let's just keep at it! hmm

randomcupsoftea Sat 03-Jan-09 20:33:04
ScottishMummy Sat 03-Jan-09 20:34:01

get oooout ma way!put yer purses away ladies,yer money is nae good here

DumbledoresGirl Sat 03-Jan-09 20:34:29

I thought gerry @ mumsnet was fictional. Are you really a real person Geraldine?

revjustaboutwipestheslateclean Sat 03-Jan-09 20:35:25

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

DumbledoresGirl Sat 03-Jan-09 20:37:28

This is the point where the thead degenerates into mindless chit chat rev, you are safe to stay.

you know I followed all them instructions and nothing happened....I must have been face just don't fit, eh...ts....


GeraldineMumsnet (MNHQ) Sat 03-Jan-09 20:38:28

I think I'm having an identity crisis.

ScottishMummy Sat 03-Jan-09 20:39:33

thomcat,a plethora of issues are debated on MN Ad infinitum eg FF/BF, SAHM/Working mum.maybe moldie is a new perennial.Moldie is the new fruit shoots

Thomcat Sat 03-Jan-09 20:42:01

Oh that's ok then Scottishmummy! Great. I can't wait to still be reading about MNoldies a year from now then aye!

indeed thomcat...your point is....honest...if ya don't like it...stop clicking on it....
I never really got that thing where people moan about a thread but know rather well, that by replying to it they only bump it up again.....well, unless it's an almost finished thread that needs killing by getting to 1000, of course....

ABudafulSightWereHappyTonight Sat 03-Jan-09 20:42:49

They'll be pensioners by then TC!

ScottishMummy Sat 03-Jan-09 20:43:33 same fashion folk still bellyache the other perennialswink

oh, don't I wish....would be great grin

that was on being a pensioner by next year, btw...

Thomcat Sat 03-Jan-09 20:44:49

I don't have a point, but nor does anyone else anymore, that is the only point!

lol.....hmm....i suppose.....oh, well...I'm getting a bit pished....ignore

revjustaboutwipestheslateclean Sat 03-Jan-09 20:46:23

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

ScottishMummy Sat 03-Jan-09 20:47:34

tell you if we all logged on and naebody was ripping the pish out of anyone else about the ole perennials we would think the site had been hacked


what would happen if some stroppy mama couldn't get humphy about her MIL

internet chaos,MN meltdown


oh...and I was not good enough for revs jetset.....wail....


ABudafulSightWereHappyTonight Sat 03-Jan-09 20:55:50

I think it is all coming to the end of its natural tbh.

Hopefully anyway. And I have only been aware of it for 2 days!

I am not denigrating anyone's hurt btw. Not at all. But I do think that nothing good can come from more threads about it.

LittleBella Sat 03-Jan-09 20:58:44

LOL I'm glad this thread was started, I had lost interest in the other one as it had got too long. But am cheered to hear about hte hun/ royalty points. grin

This thread was worth it for that little nugget alone.

ScottishMummy Sat 03-Jan-09 21:00:29

yes,it will pass into MN tales of yore.until forgotten,only resuscitated annually when drunk

ScottishMummy Sat 03-Jan-09 21:03:55

any megalomaniacs or royalty off with their head.Vive La Republique! Vive La MumsNet!

thing to take from this - no one is royalty,or spesh

chipmonkey Sat 03-Jan-09 21:54:44

Bump for Thomcat.

(Sorry TC, couldn't resist!)

OyeComoVa Sat 03-Jan-09 22:01:56

"Losers have the Moldies, Rejects have Mumsnet, only the best join Rev's jetset."


ScottishMummy Sat 03-Jan-09 22:03:44

love folk who say "this is a bag of shite why are y'all posting" doh why you reading then

look i don't post on art/craft but nor do i pop in to quip "this is a bag of shite why are y'all knitting"

if you no likey it,no read it

controlfreakyhohohohohohoho Sat 03-Jan-09 22:14:19


the whole sorry saga has been worth it if only to now bw able to picture the handpicked 143(?) mouldy mouldies sitting around with their avatars / hun and royalty points / blackballs(!) / voting polls / beige leisurewear / chintz 3 piece..... and no doubt lots of other really truly naff accessories that we are yet to learn of.

tacky tacky tacky but actually v v v funny grin

enjoy your exclusivity won't you (but feel free to pop back here when you want something a bit.... classier)

OyeComoVa Sat 03-Jan-09 22:19:14

"this is a bag of shite why are y'all knitting"

<childish snigger>

NotanOtter Sat 03-Jan-09 22:20:58

lolscottishmummy at 'wind whistles through their mooncups and straggly hair' grin

morningpaper Sat 03-Jan-09 22:30:17

Gerry is DEFFO real

She is a babe, she looks like a lovely librarian who would seduce you

She is so well turned out that I want to faint with womanly inadequacy

I suspect she has clean skirting boards

ScottishMummy Sat 03-Jan-09 22:32:37

I suspect she has clean skirting boards -is that a euphemism or just brown nosing

controlfreakyhohohohohohoho Sat 03-Jan-09 22:34:04

mp, are you able to confirm the leisurewear and lace loo roll covers? <pleeeeease>

coppertop Sat 03-Jan-09 22:39:25

How long until a name-changer says "I'm a regular. I know all about Lavenderrr, Judge Flounce and hun & royalty points" ?

<whispers> Sorry, Geraldine.

grumpybritches Sat 03-Jan-09 22:40:38

I'm enjoying MN a lot more these days... grin

ScottishMummy Sat 03-Jan-09 22:43:57

MN nicer now the ole gimmers have began to bump their gums somewhere else in moldieville

GeraldineMumsnet (MNHQ) Sat 03-Jan-09 22:46:25

Geraldine has clean skirting boards, but Gerry lets the dust build up (for insulation) grin

Doodle2U Sat 03-Jan-09 22:58:24

Carrie "... moved on to discussing piles or real life mould ... you know who you are..."

I would be more than happy to continue discussing real life mould but since my thread about real life mould has been deleted, I'm thwarted.

My thread was judged - judged using criteria unknown to me. Judged secretly, without my participation and found farking wanting. shock

My thread was not worthy. sad

ScottishMummy Sat 03-Jan-09 23:00:16

sorry doddle,i dont understand,care to elaborate

oh dear doodle...did you have a thread deleted because they thought you were taling mouldies, rather then mould?

Doodle2U Sat 03-Jan-09 23:08:18

Of course SM - I posted a thread about real mould in real houses and asked for ideas about how to cure it. Bugger me with a big stick but my thread (well attended with some excellent suggestions - dishes of salt and bleach soaked cotton wool being my personal favourites) was deleted.

I was a bit miffed!

ScottishMummy Sat 03-Jan-09 23:10:06

LOL get kim n aggy to snap the marigolds on for mould bashing

lol...sorry...not really funny....but lol

Desiderata Sat 03-Jan-09 23:11:50

Hey! Wouldn't it be nice if we knew who all the Moldies were ...

<drums fingers lightly>

you ain't gonna get an answer to that desi...

ScottishMummy Sat 03-Jan-09 23:14:25

have no interest in who they are/were.why further flatter big heids or peddle moldies myth

the fuckers didnae ask me

mloo Sat 03-Jan-09 23:14:59

I just have to drop this nugget in.
Once Cod outed me, my real life identity, which wouldn't have been so bad except that she did it in a thread where I was already being attacked by some quite vitriolic characters, and I was quite upset and scared I would get stalked.
Anyway, MNHQ deleted the link pretty quick and told Cod off and I didn't get stalked by anyone (phew!).
I changed my usual posting name immediately and have never been much of a regular since.
But I do have a slight smirk of 'serves her right' about Cod being outed so badly (only slight smirk, from what I can tell, she attracted a nutter that she certainly didn't deserve).

Watching the many blow-ups on MN over the years has been vaguely entertaining. Once upon a time it was just the occasional single prominant person flouncing -- now we get flounces by the dozen. Yes it did seem quite cosy, once, although maybe that was insular, not truly supportive. I suppose I can't blame the Moldy types if they want to try to get that atmosfr back.

chipmonkey Sat 03-Jan-09 23:18:18

Sorry to out you online, GerryMumsnet but this is you, isn't it? And we all know Geri's Mum is a cleaner so therefore she would have clean skirting boards! I am right, aren't I?grin

Desiderata Sat 03-Jan-09 23:18:49

I know, I know ..

Desiderata Sat 03-Jan-09 23:19:26

I haven't checked my emails for about two months.

Could it be possible??????? shock

chipmonkey Sat 03-Jan-09 23:22:52

Ok, so Desi is one.
Now, the other 142 are.....?

Desiderata Sat 03-Jan-09 23:29:08

Nah. I'm a cleaner. I don't think they'd have a cleaner.

KerryMumbles Sat 03-Jan-09 23:29:42

they need one to much out desi

KerryMumbles Sat 03-Jan-09 23:29:52

MUCK out

RipVanTwinkle Sat 03-Jan-09 23:32:34

I keep seeing posts linking Cod with Mouldies. I am right aren't I that the Cod affair and Moldiegate are two entirely different things?

I have a new name btw since I realised I was holding onto my old one for reasons that are now entirely spurious, since I'm clearly not memorable in any way <woe is me emotion>

lol twinkle...
as for cod and moldieville...apparently cod has nothing to do with the founding etc....

not quite so sure she isn't a member...

but then I don't really care where cod is, tbh...sorry to her fans...we never hit it off, iykwim....

neenztwinz Sat 03-Jan-09 23:36:10

This Moldies business has totally passed me by as I was offline all Christmas. How do you know if you have been invited or rejected? I'll be most offended if I wasn't even discussed! grin

chipmonkey Sat 03-Jan-09 23:37:44

My understanding is the Moldies came about when the GF issue was threatening to close MN down and was set up in case that happened but remained inactive. It came to full fruition when cod had to de-register so that she and her friends would have somewhere to chat. Now, that may or may not be true but it was my understanding of the situation.

RipVanTwinkle Sat 03-Jan-09 23:40:11

No I really don't think Cod was involved. Wasn't it Twiglett that set it up.

I think it must all be in the archives if anyone can be bothered researching the history. There must be a book in there somewhere - if only I had the time to write it... hmm

RipVanTwinkle Sat 03-Jan-09 23:41:22

Set up the recent incarnation I mean. God why am I here discussing this stuff? Bed and a good book awaits - I'm off!

ScottishMummy Sat 03-Jan-09 23:42:11

GF-queen of routine?oh thought moldie was noveau nob phenomen not sure GF era.

sleepycat Sat 03-Jan-09 23:45:03

Who has gone then?

ScottishMummy Sat 03-Jan-09 23:48:38

who cares?dissecting it adds to their inflated sense of isn't about a particular poster/ is about the sum of its parts all posters

MoreSpamThanGlam Sun 04-Jan-09 00:02:41

Twig set it up? shock

I really liked her...sad

You have to admit that it is better without the cliquey vibe. The amount of threads that went unnoticed because they were not deemed important enough by the mouldies.

I also hate the threads that are titled "So and So - comeover here" urgh.

And Cod got on my tits. And all the ocd fawning. Thats why I left for a while. It was so "ooh pick me cod, pick me!" i couldnt stand it. Still, what goes around..

sleepycat Sun 04-Jan-09 00:06:15

I was only curious

I am a cat


are curious

(and don't say curiosity killed the...I get it, will shut up now!!!)

Dreyfus Sun 04-Jan-09 00:19:39

Desi, check your email, quick. If you are one of the Chosen, you can go in as a mole and report back to us on who's currently heading up the Royalty points. And do other moley things - like digging tunnels. There may be some in there who need rescuing and can't find a way out.

chipmonkey Sun 04-Jan-09 00:25:58

MoreSpamThanGlam, I really don't know whose idea it was but FWIW, I still like Twiglett! I don't think she would deliberately set something up to hurt other people. I think ( if it was her) that she had a good idea but that it was possibly less well thought out and less organised than it should have been. I think a closed forum in some cases is a good idea; what caused so much of a furore was the way in which a lot of good people felt excluded and hurt.

ScottishMummy Sun 04-Jan-09 00:31:39

ah there is the rub,closed forum good if you are invited and hoi polloi excluded but if you are left ticket less as many were well feelings run high

closed forum,if it floats your boat,ok.but the price is less open forum spontaneity,adherence to rules,fitting in,dock yer moldie cap

who wants to be a selected few?when you can throng with the many

MoreSpamThanGlam Sun 04-Jan-09 00:32:09

Probably, but if Twig did set it up, then she must have had something to do with the selection process no? Thats a real shame, I never thought of Twig like that, she was a fav of mine. Not that we ever really spoke but she made me laugh.

ScottishMummy Sun 04-Jan-09 00:34:49

thing is i have no favourites.i enjoy posts but know none of you,it really is words on a screen anonymous interaction

MoreSpamThanGlam Sun 04-Jan-09 00:39:39

Well I do, so there.

There are some Mners that I enjoy reading and think they are interesting/funny/give great advice. And some just bore me silly or irritate me.

Not as in "she is my fav, so I wont talk to you" :rolls eyes:

ScottishMummy Sun 04-Jan-09 00:42:01

what's with the "so there"?your prerogative to have cyber frends after all.

MoreSpamThanGlam Sun 04-Jan-09 00:46:48

Your comment sounded holier than thou to me.

Might have read it wrong.

I dont have cyber friends I have opinions on particular posters. I am not friends with one MNer. Apart from Pickled Parsnips and she is my best friend in RL.

I know that there have been thousands of posts about this. It's clearly been something very emotional for many of us - rightly or wrongly.

But what I don't quite understand is why MNHQ want this to stop.

I don't want to be controversial or difficult, but if people here want to keep posting about this issue, then why shouldn't they?

What is it that keeps MN insinuating that this is not an area that they feel comfortable with?

Why should we not keep posting about it, on as many threads as we like?

Tiggiwinkle Sun 04-Jan-09 01:03:21

I don't get that either BecauseImWorthIT...

RGPargy Sun 04-Jan-09 01:10:53

Sorry if i'nm being ignorant (i dont post that often) but can someone please tell me what a moldie is?!! blush

FedUpWithTheMerryGoRound Sun 04-Jan-09 01:11:29

Maybe because a lot of the stuff posted on these threads is against the general MN policy.

Or put simply, as Carrie posted hours ago:

"Anyway, as we say we're not in the business of censorship, but neither do we want to see any posters, old or new, dissed, hurt or upset."

LadyOfWaffle Sun 04-Jan-09 01:13:23

Moldie - MN Oldie... sort of.

A group of MNetters decided that it was time to make their own place away from MN. They didn't like the way that MN had grown/developed, and wanted their own, 'private' place to talk with each other. Once there, they decided that they wanted to invite other, 'like minded' MNetters to join them. Except that this invitation process was one where people had to nominate future members, and current members had the right to approve/veto them. Oh, and it was also kept a secret from the rest of MN.

MoreSpamThanGlam Sun 04-Jan-09 01:13:41

But its ok for old posters to hurt other posters?

Quattrocento Sun 04-Jan-09 01:14:29

Yes I wondered that BIWI and I came up with the following

1. Because they thought it wasn't good for the site to get caught up in rancour
2. Because they feel quite a lot of affection for the oldies who have been with them since the dawn of time - and the threads were pretty anti-oldie overall
3. Because they felt responsible for the whole thing getting blown up - not that they should have done at all - the secret was already out but in a low-key way

I still don't see why that should stop the rest of us discussing it though - if we want to.

MoreSpamThanGlam Sun 04-Jan-09 01:18:28

I wonder if there is a moldies check list?

Do you shop at Iceland?
Do you wear Boden?
Do you go on Mark Warner hols?
Do you have a Nanny/Au Pair?
Do you own any item of clothing that is 100% nylon?
Have you ever given your child frootshoots/greggs sausage rolls?
Do you call your vag a fango?
Do you know who the bat is?

Sorry - tis v childish and I am giggling to myself.

chipmonkey Sun 04-Jan-09 01:21:38

I just wrote a huge long post and then deleted it!!!<<<wails>>>>>
MoreSpamThanGlam, I know where you are coming from. I did and do have favourites on MN, after all, we are human and we will "click" with some people more than others. (And FWIW ScottishMummy, you are one of my favourites!)
I did like and do still like Twiglett. And I don't think she would intentionally have set up a group to deliberately split MN down the middle.
I think there was nothing wrong in principle with having a Mumsnet Oldies group. But Moldies is not an "oldies" group, it is a "Mumsnet finest" group. So you get MNers being invited who are not oldies but who are seen to be worthy contributors. And you get people who have been on MN for years, and posted prolifically so surely should be considered to be oldies but somehow don't make the grade. And for those people the whole revelation about Moldies was hurtful.

This is an internet forum which is IMO as worthy a place to make friends as any. BUT, the same rules apply here as apply in secondary school. It is a mistake to assume that people who are friendly are actual friends.

Sorry, but I actually find myself feeling pretty strongly about this. And I don't want to upset MNHQ, because I can imagine that this whole thing has been pretty upsetting for them as well.

But I do bitterly resent being told that we can't talk about it on here - even being 'herded' onto one thread feels offensive. The fact that is has been likened to threads about Baby P and Madeleine McCann, in itself, is pretty offensive.

I would like to know why we are being actively encouraged not to continue these posts. I can understand that many MNetters may not like them - but when has that ever stopped people from posting?

MoreSpamThanGlam Sun 04-Jan-09 01:27:30

CM - I dont even really "click" with anyone, just enjoy some posts more than others. There is nobody on here that is really a friend (sob sob wink) and I suspect that very few people have even heard of me, as I am not on here day and night. There are also times when the pitch fork waving does my head in and so I go away for a bit.

I miss some of the regulars and wouldnt be angry if they came back at all....MN doesnt "belong" to anyone of us posters does it? Its not like its "our" house. But I think those that were rejected are quite within their rights to tell a moldie to fahrk owf!

MoreSpamThanGlam Sun 04-Jan-09 01:29:08

Passes BIWI a valium...(and has a sneaky one herself)

chipmonkey Sun 04-Jan-09 01:37:12

MSTG, I've heard of you!smile
BIWI, I think MNHQ probably would regard putting all comments on one thread as "damage limitation" and I can't say I blame them for trying particularly after all the bad press. But I for one, will continues to post until I am absolutely sure I have no more to say on the subject!

shabster Sun 04-Jan-09 01:42:08

You know something? I have only been on Mumsnet for a year. A dear friend, but someone I have only met once in RL because of distance, asked me to come on so we could talk without it costing a fortune. I can imagine how hurtful it must be to not be included in this group - especially if you were 'mumsnet friends' before.

BUT - life is very, very short. We should be proud of ourselves for being good mums, we should cherish every day as if it is our last. We should not worry about what other people are doing or saying.

I dont fit any of the newspapers ideas of Mumsnet. I am from the North and very, very working class. Proud of my heritage and the fact that I am from a coal mining background. I have nowt - but what we have we share.

Please dont worry and fret about stuff on here. There are much more things to fill your day. Like I said I can understand how annoying it must be BUT there is so much more to life.

VinegarTits Sun 04-Jan-09 01:58:05

<<VT is sleepwalking>>

<<Wonders into Moldies part three>>

<<Wonders back out again>>


jabberwocky Sun 04-Jan-09 03:24:57

chipmonkey! Glad to see you <hijack>

I am setting up my behavioral optometry practice in 2 weeks grin Am going in with a friend and will be there 2 days a week.

<jabber resolves to continue lurking and not say anything about moldies even though she knows about the bat...>

duchesse Sun 04-Jan-09 03:34:32

I keep seeing this bleddy word everywhere! Can anybody please explain to me what an effing moldie is? Or is that the first rule of the moldie club?

jabberwocky Sun 04-Jan-09 03:43:40

Mumsnet Oldie = Moldie

duchesse Sun 04-Jan-09 03:45:21


sleepycat Sun 04-Jan-09 07:10:03

When I told DH about this I couldn't make much out due to him collapsing with laughter

"revolution on MN"

snort snort

"there has been a schism!!"

he he he he he

"have they formed a breakaway republic?"

ha ha ha ha"

I just walloped him with a pillow.

Flightattendant7 Sun 04-Jan-09 07:31:19

I want to be Scottishmummy's favourite <sob>

Totally don't get why Soupy is so angry, am a bit scared of her now hmm

Gerry sounds nice, I hope she wasn't too bored last night. smile

that's about it.

morning all.

georgimama Sun 04-Jan-09 07:42:38

I know what you mean sleepycat, my DH keeps muttering about the People's Front of Palestine and the Palestinian People's Front or some nonsense. I think it is to do with Monty Python.

Flightattendant7 Sun 04-Jan-09 07:51:30

Judea I think, my dad said that too grin

StealthPo09IsHere Sun 04-Jan-09 08:47:10

BIWI - totally agree.
All on one thread -fine.
Are we now being forbidden from talking about it? Because if that's the case then email/MSN is the only solution.

DandyLioness Sun 04-Jan-09 10:53:20


You're of course entitled to still like Twiglett and think that she wouldn't have deliberately set out to hurt people.

But personally, I find it difficult (probably because it's all rather ridiculously funny) to respect her over this. Fair enough she wanted a private site. But she organised it behind the backs of some people who considered her friends. She then must have been involved in setting up the polls where Moldies could vote yay or nay as to someone else being allowed to join. Even if the polls only lasted a day because many Moldies had the sense to see how appalling the notion was. Twiglett also must have approved having hun and royalty points, the very notion of hun points being to take the piss out of a certain type of Mn poster.

This is all after Twiglett was getting increasingly annoyed on here because she didn't feel her opinion was respected enough. She objected to the one parent families topic being set up because she felt - and I quote - it was "derisive" and she didn't like "feeling excluded". Snort.

And let's not forget, Twiglett is hardly in her late teens or early twenties, is she. She should definitely have known better than to set up snobby practices that took the piss out of/discussed/excluded people who had been friendly towards her.

I agree with others that MN is now a better place.

Threadworm Sun 04-Jan-09 10:58:32

It is rather damaging to mumsnet to make these kind of personally abusive posts. It isn't what the site is for.

revjustaboutwipestheslateclean Sun 04-Jan-09 10:59:40

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

lucy678 Sun 04-Jan-09 11:21:54

"I have nowt - but what we have we share"


Flightattendant7 Sun 04-Jan-09 11:40:01

By Twiglett on Fri 10-Oct-08 14:24:14
I don't like feeling excluded

and I can't help feeling that it's a bit of a whinge-fest and divisive at best

parent or not is a distinction that is ok - the rest is stuff that all parents should be part of - everyone has a valid viewpoint

I just wanted to clarify the word is 'Divisive' not 'derisive'. I had to go and look and see if it was Twig offending with her use of the wrong term or you lot. It was you lot!

Thankyou. smile

Dandy, I have thought about the whole royalty/hun pointing and the poll thing....and because I realise that especially oldies had always been dissing about the whole avater/ticker etc...stuff....I wonder if those things were just part of the site set up (by default) and than maybe some people thought it would be funny to use them....good idea or bad idea, that is another question altogether....but that might just have been what happened....but who knows...

shabster Sun 04-Jan-09 11:41:46

Lucy - thats the favourite saying in our house......mainly cause we have 'nowt' (good old fashioned Lancashire word!)

Flightattendant7 Sun 04-Jan-09 11:43:48

Although whilst searching I did find this. I hope nobody minds but it is very ironic to see how times have changed.

By tech on Wed 09-Mar-05 00:21:54
We are going to start "retiring" threads in the _chat topic once they are over 30 days old. [bla bla bla] On the subject of chat, we are currently test-driving chatroom software with a view to putting a live chatroom up on the site - for them as wants.

By Twiglett on Wed 09-Mar-05 13:06:56
sorry haven't read thread but as its not like me to miss an opportunity to give an opinion I'm against incorporating a chat area. I think they're divisive, cliquey and if people want to chat real-time then they can use MSN if you're not a quick typist you can get left behind people won't preview and any arguments / grudges will spill over onto forums you won't be able to see how a conversation progresses so if something flares up you won't be able to learn from how it resolves people can feel ignored in chat, or like an interloper MSN is more than satisfactory for chatting it feels a bit 'gang' like I'm repeating myself so I'll go now PS I vote NO in case you didn't realise

Oh well.

Monkeytrousers Sun 04-Jan-09 11:46:19

I hope I was nomintad and turned down. Wouldn';t want tovbelong to any group who would have me as a member wink

FA....isn't it ironic....

MrsMattie Sun 04-Jan-09 11:50:09

How, How, HOW can this still be going on? And please, no 'well put the thread on ignore' comments, because I want to know - I genuinely want to know - why people are still concerned about this?

revjustaboutwipestheslateclean Sun 04-Jan-09 11:52:03

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Flightattendant7 Sun 04-Jan-09 11:52:09

I am not sure MrsMattie.

It's just one of those things I suppose.


Are you a Moldie, MrsMattie?

If not, does the idea of the Moldies bother you in any way?

Maybe you don't give a stuff. Fine.

But lots of people here were hurt and that is what is being played out. Yes, it's a bit like picking a scab, but until the scab has gone, there will be lots of picking.

And I think it's a pretty big scab.

nailpolish Sun 04-Jan-09 11:54:35

i h ave no idea what this is a ll about

i hope it goes away soon anyway

seems rather dull to be honest

play with your own friends and dont care what the other girls aare doing is what i say

Monkeytrousers Sun 04-Jan-09 11:54:41

Good call Rev! You know your onions. And turnips

revjustaboutwipestheslateclean Sun 04-Jan-09 11:56:35

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

MrsMattie Sun 04-Jan-09 11:57:23

Ok. But how people can genuinely be 'hurt' by this..well, I find it baffling.

I will go back out into the normal world, now...come join us when your scab has dried up!

Flightattendant7 Sun 04-Jan-09 11:57:36

It probably is dull for some people, but so is knitting. Go and hang around sulkily over on arts and crafts, people wink

nailpolish Sun 04-Jan-09 11:58:17

scab - put a plaster over it

remove when scab disappears

job done

Flightattendant7 Sun 04-Jan-09 11:58:40

If you do that the scab goes all soggy though.

Mrs Mattie, I suppose because some people are friends in real life as well....and well, it must be hurtful if you think you are friends but then aren't deemed good enough to join in the "elite group"....

I think what people sometimes forget is that everyone has a different way to use forums....and that whilst some people maybe choose to completely change their internet persona, some people are themselves. Also, whilst of course these are only words on a screen for some, these words on the screen are written by real people, read by real people....!

BTW, just to clarify, I am not someone who was hurt in this process....I am not an oldie and don't know anyone in real life really....well, have met a few people when we did the "Mile for Maude", but never really made friends with anyone here.
But, I have made some real life friends on other forums, and I think I would be very hurt when those people would make a new group, forgetting or vetoiing against inviting me because I was deemed not good enough....

One thing I hoped for was that now moldies had been set up, there wouldn't be an "elite" few posters popping up on various threads and slagging off the thread (news ones springs to mind in particular).
I think one of the molides who has de-registered was quite vocal on expressing distaste on some threads that were set up, but I always was of the opinion that some people needed to discuss some topics (moldies being added to the list here) and they should be allowed.
So, if anything good comes out of this, I hope that mumsnetters are allowed to discuss the topics they feel the need to discuss, obviously within the mumsnet rules on not attacking other posters etc.

dietstartstomorrow Sun 04-Jan-09 12:56:59

IMO - this Moldie business has cod written all over it. Whether it was set up by her or one of her 'mates', it just seems like a big coincidence that she had to leave MN for RL issues and this new forum pops up soon after.

I don't really care either way, as I think MN is a much nicer place now.

DandyLioness Sun 04-Jan-09 12:57:23

FlightAttendant Sorry, yes, that was my spelling mistake re 'divisive' blush

FairLady I agree that yes,the site must have come with avatars and the ability to award points re posts. But my point was that someone on Moldies chose to personalise the already existing point system by naming it huns and royalty. They could have chosen to remove the points system completely.

Parts of the moldie site just sound very schoolgirlish. Although I can understand why a private site would appeal, it is the way it was carried out that seems off.

Flamespar Sun 04-Jan-09 13:20:40

I haven't posted on this before, dunno why I am now really.

How is cod to blame again for something. She left because of rl issues, the group was already going!!! How is it her fault??

Sinking - I know it hurts, but think of it this way, people know you well enough for you to have affected them deeply enough to reject you grin. That means that of the random pointless interaction on MN, yours has enough substance to effect people.

MrsMattie Sun 04-Jan-09 13:21:42

Points? ROTFL. Oh God. Time to get a full time job when you start awarding points to strangers on an internet forum! (Oor actually do some work if you already have a job).

Tortington Sun 04-Jan-09 13:27:12

poor Geraldine is MN Towers cinderella - they went to the ball without her!

Flamespar Sun 04-Jan-09 13:32:13

Oh, I can vouch for Gerry being a woman though (at least I think it is Gerry I am picturing...)

GeraldineMumsnet (MNHQ) Sun 04-Jan-09 13:39:46

The mind boggles! Starting to feel positively transgendered. [obviously not going to engage with cast of MNHQ panto aspersions grin]

batters Sun 04-Jan-09 13:40:04

This is still going on?

And some of you are searching Twiglett's past posts to continue to feel morally superior?

Ladies, this isn't normal.

Flightattendant7 Sun 04-Jan-09 13:42:32

No, Batters, it was only me, and it wasn't to feel morally superior, it was because I was being unnaturally bugged by the word 'derisive' being quoted again and again, and decided to find out the truth.

Coming across the second post I C&P'd was pure coincidence and seemed highly ironic so I decided to share. It didn't make me feel superior. It made me feel sad and also curious as to why she had changed her outlook.

I don't feel that's something I need be sorry about or I would apologise. I just found it interesting. I'd love her to answer but doubt she will.

Flamespar Sun 04-Jan-09 14:07:25

gerry - was it you that was having problems flogging cards at xmas do?

WilfSell Sun 04-Jan-09 14:07:52

Flight, one answer might be that she's just human and changes her mind sometimes and makes mistakes?

I'm sure we all have a litany of contradictory statements in our past, no? smile

Flightattendant7 Sun 04-Jan-09 14:14:14

Yes probably Wilf. I know I do.

fruitbeard Sun 04-Jan-09 14:16:16

Having met Gerry at the Xmas meetup I can confirm she is female.

At least she seemed to be.... I fear the gin goggles were on by the time I met her (and it was Justine who flogged me a shedload of Christmas cards I'll still be using by 2010 at this rate...)

nkf Sun 04-Jan-09 14:27:06

Someone fill me in on the Moldy story?
A group of dissident MN members set up alone? And blackballed others? Is that how it worked?

WilfSell Sun 04-Jan-09 14:32:11

here nkf

WilfSell Sun 04-Jan-09 14:33:31

and here

You can see there have been thousands and thousands of posts. Best now to read, not ask, methinks smile

nkf Sun 04-Jan-09 14:37:14

I can see it's been a long running saga.

GeraldineMumsnet (MNHQ) Sun 04-Jan-09 14:44:20

At the risk of sounding like a stuck record, please can I repeat what Carrie said earlier on this thread: "We're not in the business of censorship, but neither do we want to see any posters, old or new, dissed, hurt or upset."

It's not what Mumsnet's about. [And that was Carrie flogging the Xmas cards ]

ABudafulSightWereHappyTonight Sun 04-Jan-09 14:49:59

That Carrie. She got me with the cards too. And then I didn't want to send them to anyone as I want MN to be my secret!

Flightattendant7 Sun 04-Jan-09 15:32:50

Hope my posts weren't construed as dissing.

puffling Sun 04-Jan-09 17:29:29

I've scanned this thread, read some others and now know whta a moldie. Still don't much else, for example:
1. Who were they?
2. What caused the schism?
3. Do they access their group via mumsnet?
4. Is it invite only?
5. Why did they let anyone know?

holidaywonk Sun 04-Jan-09 17:41:42

1) They were/are MN posters. Some are happy to be known as such (eg Aitch, hunkermunker) but most remain anonymous.
2) I don't know if there was one 'cause'. Many Moldies have pointed to a wish to return to the 'old' days of MN when the community was much smaller, or a wish to post personal information without fear of aggressive responses or RL stalking.
3) Their site is entirely separate from MN.
4) Yes it is invite-only.
5) It is known about because Justine Mumsnet let it slip on a thread. Previously there had been a couple of threads on here alluding to it, but most MNers hadn't picked up on them.

puffling, this is only my take on the situation but...

1. Who were they? Several "old" posters, many not entirely happy with mumsnet (newbies, topics, being an open forum etc)

2. What caused the schism? The site was originally set up with the whole Gina Ford saga should mumsnet shut down, and supposedly died a death until Cod was hounded off. So then the site was used more regulalry then.

3. Do they access their group via mumsnet? No, my understanding is that it is not in relation to mumsnet, and not in relation to the site

4. Is it invite only? Yes, members were suggested and people could say yes / no about them, if they were agreed, then an invite would have been sent ask ask people to check out a new site.

5. Why did they let anyone know? I understand that it happened when there was a MNHQ blog which mentioned how some old posters had left and new posters had joined, which resulted in a thread from a Moldie to express their annoyance about the comment. There was a reply from Justine who in passing mentioned something about Moldies, which the Moldie went mental at and it all kicked off from there.

Froginmythroat Sun 04-Jan-09 18:09:22

shock at the archive searching in order to carry out further character assassination on posters . It seems a little ......unhealthy and obsessional tbh.

puffling Sun 04-Jan-09 18:13:28

Thanks for your replies. I get it now.

Flamespar Sun 04-Jan-09 18:14:59

Hmm... I saw carrie doing well with cards (and hassled her for a while). Who am I thinking of then who had cards but less luck??

grumpybritches Sun 04-Jan-09 18:59:02

TBH and without caring much either way I think it is common practice to find examples where a poster has contradicted him or herslf in previous posts and flag it up - nothing necessarily twisted about it - I've seen it loads of times and no-one has protested before.

Froginmythroat....I think there is one of such posts....and the person who posted it has already explained why....

revjustaboutwipestheslateclean Sun 04-Jan-09 19:14:29

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Flightattendant7 Sun 04-Jan-09 19:40:44

Frog, to reiterate, I searched because I am a pedant, and was unduly concerned about misuse of a word. Pathetic I know.
i saw the other post by chance (as it contains said word also) and copied it to here as it seemed a starkly ironic reminder of what used to be.

I don't calss it as character assassination myself, indeed that's not something I would wish to partake in about Twig or any of the others.

Is that a bit clearer?

fruitbeard Sun 04-Jan-09 20:09:52

That was Carrie? blush

Okay, I was obviously severely bladdered that night and consequently all bets are off as regards Gerry's gender...

yesprimeminister Sun 04-Jan-09 22:02:49

so revjustaboutwipestheslateclean asks for a retraction and the Mumnet bosses and a national newspaper jump? Interesting. You must feel very special. Didn't I read that other people were misquoted, don.t they get a retraction too?

revjustaboutwipestheslateclean Sun 04-Jan-09 22:05:04

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Blu Sun 04-Jan-09 22:19:46

Rev- did you write under your RL name - or did you sign the letter 'revjustabout'? It must have been a terrible risk using your RL name...and presumably newspapers are wary of responding to peolpe who use madeup names in correspondence - after all, they could be anyone!

Anyway - you got your retraction, and it all stayed in the papers another week wink

May I say a big welcome to all the lovely newbie lurkers / posters who love the spectacle of women fightin? Someone's knickers will get ripped to shreds in a mo', and a big pile of naked girls will fall writhing to the floor, scratching and kicking each other. And the 'History' on your PC won't even have your DW starting a 'DH Looking at Porn' thread. Enjoy yourslves, and welcome to MN smile

sinkingfast Sun 04-Jan-09 22:22:35

lol blu

revjustaboutwipestheslateclean Sun 04-Jan-09 22:23:58

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Blu Sun 04-Jan-09 22:37:50

Well, I'm pleased they obliged.

I'm always around - but I have to go now - my poor rabbits must be shivering in these sub-zero temps and I have to put their (£23.50) microwavable heat mat in thier shed!

sinkingfast Sun 04-Jan-09 22:39:24

That's a great idea blu


Blu Sun 04-Jan-09 22:46:56

Sinking - it's called a Snugglesafe Microwave Heatpad.

Blu Sun 04-Jan-09 22:47:26

And it stays warm for 10 hours!

sinkingfast Sun 04-Jan-09 22:49:48

Our rabbit would love one!

SueW Sun 04-Jan-09 23:10:37

I would love a heat pad that stayed warm for 10hours!

JingleBennysAndJooniper Sun 04-Jan-09 23:52:44

have you all moved onto vibrators now?

<<outs self as lurker >>

Tortington Sun 04-Jan-09 23:54:21

oh dear, vibes - thats 10 hun points for you


TheFloozyInTheJacuzzi Sun 04-Jan-09 23:57:58

LOL Custardo! Yesterday someone I know on MN replied to a poster calling her "honey" and I was a bit shocked that she did, seeing as she wasn't a "hun" type till I noticed that the poster she was talking to had "honey" in her MN name!

DaddyJ Mon 05-Jan-09 12:18:37

lol blu
If this thing leads to more fathers joining MN,
it has all been worth it.

Incidentally, having battled my way through at least 4000 of the 7500 posts
I would feel sorry for anyone looking for a gory mummy fight.

This story is far more complex, far more adult in the true sense of the word.
There are no quick thrills, no sex nor violence.
A lot happens off-board, many posts and whole threads have been deleted
so close attention and reading between the lines is required
as well as digging deep during the long, barbarically dull food and drink sequences.
High-brow literature never gives up its secrets easily.

The narrative that emerges is steeped in classic themes of mankind.
On the one hand you have betrayal. Betrayal of individuals, betrayal of an utopian ethos (Egalite!).
This is counterbalanced by a powerful yearning for paradise lost.
Ideals, principles and egos clash, group dynamics appear irresistible.

No wonder this is such a gripping yarn!
Particularly as the characters are all perfectly likeable, caring mothers.
No phantomime villains here.

There. One for Private Eye's Pseuds Corner grin

Flightattendant7 Mon 05-Jan-09 12:20:31


you are sounding like Scottishmummy only in English. grin

she's a poet you know.

FioFio Mon 05-Jan-09 12:24:53

I have not betrayed anyone, I chose of my own free will, to post somewhere else and will do whatever I bloody well like

DaddyJ Mon 05-Jan-09 12:24:58

And one last post, I promise wink

If this thread has really run its course then we can also add leadership
to the list of themes.
More candidly, abject failure of leadership in a conflict situation.

Ironically, there is currently a News thread putting forward the premise
that more female input could be the answer to the troubles in the Middle East.

I think gender in this context is a red herring.

The real issue is when leaders only think in terms of fight or flight.
It's FIGHT between the Israelis and Hamas and
it appears to be FLIGHT between MNHQ and the Moldies.

Neither approach is likely to lead to a lasting peace
let alone encourage both groups to collectively pursue common goals.

What is needed is bold, imaginative leadership
that prides itself on its ability to reconcile dilemmas,
to think the unthinkable and seek it against the odds.

What would be the unthinkable in our situation?
MNHQ and the Moldies working together.
Because having this separate forum for veteran Mumsnetters is actually not a bad idea at all.
If it's done right.

Victory is there to be snatched from the jaws of defeat
but, as in the Middle East, the leadership does not appear to be up to the task.

Tiggiwinkle Mon 05-Jan-09 12:27:34

A bit of childish footstamping going on there methinks fio.

Flightattendant7 Mon 05-Jan-09 12:28:09

I don't know what you are on about daddyJ but you are not talking about flight as in me are you.


Flightattendant7 Mon 05-Jan-09 12:28:42

<<scared of fio>>

grumpybritches Mon 05-Jan-09 12:31:41

FWIW I read 'betrayal' as a more general thing than posting on an alternative forum.

Wll done DJ for trying to raise this discussion up a little...

FioFio Mon 05-Jan-09 12:31:50

oh I know tiggwinkle, daddyj needs to calm down and glue his feet to the floor

Threadworm Mon 05-Jan-09 12:37:40

Daddyj what an odd idea. Why on earth would MNHQ and the moldies want to work together? It's just a spin-off site. They've gone. Nothing to do with MNHQ now and why should it be?

And the comparison with something serious like Gaza/Israel is pretty distasteful.

ABudafulSightWereHappyTonight Mon 05-Jan-09 13:21:21

Wow DaddyJ - you really are trying to stir things up aren't you?

Blu Mon 05-Jan-09 13:29:14

"as well as digging deep during the long, barbarically dull food and drink sequences."

Sorry, that undermines your whole premise here: "I think gender in this context is a red herring."


Tortington Mon 05-Jan-09 13:37:31

"Because having this separate forum for veteran Mumsnetters is actually not a bad idea at all.
If it's done right."

yes is fucking does. let there not be the seven circles of hell
the inner sanctum, or any other better, bigger, more famous up their own arse egotist elitist tosspots -

work together? to create a two tier mumsnet, those of a certain eloguence, or if your a close friend of someone who is a moldy, can get into this inner sanctum

its not like graduating university.

they aren't the best

they are a bunch of people who went offto set up a secret elitist forum - deliberatly

the same people came met my family slept at my house, accepted my dh as a chauffer, smoked my fags and ate my food. the same people told me highly sensitive personal information about their family members

so what- the - fuck - am - i - not - getting - here?

does a certain style, class, of person do this ...regularly... is it becuase i am a northern monkey that i thought any of these things constituted more than a user name on a website


work together? you have to be out of your mind.

work together to have a public school and a private school or mumsnet

are you shitting me

its disgusting the whole thing is utterly revolting.

LucyJones Mon 05-Jan-09 13:42:11

I think it's quite clear that GeraldineMumsnet was posting in response to FA's seeking out of Twiglett's posts tbh
I agree with Frog, it was quite a shocking thing to do!

duchesse Mon 05-Jan-09 13:47:19

It just smacks of the sort of behaviour you'd expect from primary school children to me. Deeply immature and uninteresting.

Tortington Mon 05-Jan-09 13:47:54

as was seeting up a secret elitist forum.

and she conceded that our opinions can change - it required but, a little firther reading.

FioFio Mon 05-Jan-09 13:49:22

the sn board set up a private invitation only board a few years ago. What is the difference? or is it abnormal to want to discuss your NT children in privacy?

LucyJones Mon 05-Jan-09 13:49:45

Custardo- your case seems more personal though
Have you contacted the people that stayed at your house, smoked your fags etc and asked them what on earth they thought they were up to?

LucyJones Mon 05-Jan-09 13:50:34

Fio -iirc a lot of the Moldies were against that

georgimama Mon 05-Jan-09 13:50:48

There's a weirdo bloke who posts a lot on the daily telegraph site called IIRC Ignatious Jack or something like that, he has a very similar posting style to DaddyJ. Strange line breaks just the same and a weirdly detached style of writing.

DaddyJ, are you Ignatious Jack?

Tiggiwinkle Mon 05-Jan-09 13:51:02

Custardo-you are right and I agree with you completely.

Lucyjones-have you not read FA's posts explaining why she did the search? What do you not understand?

Anyway, I think it was completely in order to use a quote to display the irony of this whole sorry debacle.

It occurs to my reading this thread...apart from the few self-proclaimed moldies, we do not have a clue who they are. Perhaps the people coming onto these threads criticizing posts by mumsnetters gives us some kind of clue?

Tortington Mon 05-Jan-09 13:51:08

no fuck 'em

i have the measure of them now.

FioFio Mon 05-Jan-09 13:52:09

lucyjones, people were against the board being taken out of active conversations. As far as I remember, the private board did not even cause so much as a rumble

electra Mon 05-Jan-09 13:52:27

Yes, I raised the point about the SN board on an earlier thread and I remember a lot of people writing long posts about how hurt they are...

electra Mon 05-Jan-09 13:52:54

sorry, were about that

Tiggiwinkle Mon 05-Jan-09 13:54:07

fio- as 2shoes has repeatedly stated on these threads, the SN group was set up in an entirely different manner and has never refused anyone entry. She has asked that it is not drawn into this debate on previous threads.

FioFio Mon 05-Jan-09 13:55:16

hasnt it?

are you actually SURE about that?

FioFio Mon 05-Jan-09 13:56:49

Let me put it another way. It is an invitation only group. They ask people to join, people to not ask to join. What is the difference?

Tortington Mon 05-Jan-09 13:56:51

i disagree, i think the private board did cause a rumble.

what is being suggested here ? that by comparing moldies to the SN board - one can illustrate how a private board is needed?

bollocks bollocks bollocks

the motives the needs behind the setting up of the sn board

the factthat we can al pop in and have a look round when we want - there is no exclusivity, no group od 'head' girls passing acceptance ribbons to her best friends.

Tiggiwinkle Mon 05-Jan-09 13:56:55

Well 2shoes runs it and that is what she said on a previous thread.

FioFio Mon 05-Jan-09 13:57:15

people do not, not to not

FioFio Mon 05-Jan-09 13:57:39

i used to be a moderator on it tiggiwinkle

electra Mon 05-Jan-09 13:57:51

I think it is appropriate to bring it up tiggiwinkle, because the point is that I have seen people who were 'hurt' by the SN board now arguing that they cannot understand why people are hurt by the moldie board - a board that people are actively excluded from.

yesprimeminister Mon 05-Jan-09 13:57:58

Although I have not read all the posts on this topic, has it not been estalished that there is a voting system in place on this other forum? So it is possible that a person's friends could have actually wanted to invite them, but others have not voted for them? That is not the fault of the friend.

Tiggiwinkle Mon 05-Jan-09 13:58:06

Well if you cannot see the difference Fio I really do give up.

Tortington Mon 05-Jan-09 13:58:28

becuae they stick your name on a list and vote on it - without your knowledge

they make mn posts then when they have had a chuckle self edit

becuase it was secret

becuase of its membership
jesus fio

FioFio Mon 05-Jan-09 13:58:52

did it cause a rumble, really? I will stand corrected, but I did not see anything

LucyJones Mon 05-Jan-09 13:59:20

fair enough Custardo, I can completely understand that

Tiggiwinkle - if you're implying i'm a Moldie you're wrong
I do however like Twiglett as a poster and if you think FA's post of Sun 04-Jan-09 19:40:44 explains why she deliberately searched Twig's posts I'm sorry but her explanation doesn't ring tue to me
It's almost as if because you know one dfeinite member that makes her fair game for personal attacks which, as we all know, if against Mumsnet's policy

Tortington Mon 05-Jan-09 14:00:19

i remember being vehemently against a private area for people with kids who have sn to go

as some of them will probably remember grin

Tortington Mon 05-Jan-09 14:02:04

then it is your duty lucyjones to report it so that mumsnet can remove it.

if they fing it that bad - as they own the site, then let them do it

Tiggiwinkle Mon 05-Jan-09 14:07:29

Quoting someone's posts is hardly a personal attack is it lucyjones?

hm, I think, fwiw, that a private sn board is a whole different thing than to set up an elitist forum....and, that is how moldie does come across as...(I mean, moldies seem to think they are the elite, not necessarily that I believe them to be elite, I have you know grin)....
I am sure that the sn forum possible has only one "entry-requirement" (for lack of better word....and that would be that the person has a child with sn?
However, moldies are different as such, aren't they? People chose who they feel ar good enough to join....that is what the problem is....not for me I couldn't really care on a personal level...but it does kinda come across as a bit snobby....

Flightattendant7 Mon 05-Jan-09 14:13:35

Thanks to those of you who have defended me, i am grateful, I have been worried by the posters who are shocked by my quotes

LucyJones, I'm sorry that you don't believe my explanation

I am not a liar by nature

If you perceive what I did as vindictive or an attack, can you explain why - I haven't stated anywhere that what Twiglett said was wrong or offensive, just that i was surprised to find it and saddened by the fact she had apparently changed her mind since writing it

She's not a politician, she's allowed to turn or change her mind

If you read it as an attack, please explain why - I am not seeing it. Unless you think what she said was something worth using against her ? hmm

My use of it was a comment, not an attack.

Please don't suggest I'm being disingenuous because I often do apologise on here, am very conscious that sometimes I overstep the mark - but I hope not to have done so this time.

psst...Flightattendent really IS a pedant, btw....she reads dictionary for fun grin wink

Flightattendant7 Mon 05-Jan-09 14:16:09

I had better add that my perception was of Twiglett being very much involved in the engendering of the other board.

I am sorry if I have offended by quoting an individual but I believed she was central to its activity, and defensive of its motives

I am not sure if that makes her fair game for quoting or not, but I can see sort of what you mean.

FA, tbh...if you had quoted anyone else, it probably wouldn't have been critized as much....

Flightattendant7 Mon 05-Jan-09 14:19:09

And I agree with Custy that HQ have every right to remove the post if they feel it is an attack

however they have not done so

perhaps by doing so they might be concerned about implying that Twig had done something wrong (and was thus being attacked for such, rather than simply quoted)

when in fact it is arguable whether she has.

sarah293 Mon 05-Jan-09 14:19:10

what SN board?

FioFio Mon 05-Jan-09 14:19:38

Sorry but I do not think I am better than anyone else and never have done, nor am i elite or as the papers have taken to write it 'middle class' etc etc. I am just a normal woman and I do enjoy using a private board and I do, as an adult, make my own decsions about what I do and do not do. I cannot see it is different to the sn board either. Alot of people have problems in their lives that they would rather was not discussed on such an open forum. Whether it be a child with disabilities, caring for an elderly relative, their car breaking down, I do not know. But we are all different in what we are comfortable and not comfortable with.

Custy, I would confront your friend (or friends) as I would be hurt/angry and all the rest of it too. But maybe it is best to speak to her (them)?

Flightattendant7 Mon 05-Jan-09 14:20:10

Thanks Fair - but why?

Flightattendant7 Mon 05-Jan-09 14:21:59

...and how can it be a character assassination if there is nothing to assassinate?

FA, I think sometimes it's more a matter of who you doing what "to" rather than what you do....iykwim....

Fio, the "entry requirements" of moldies seem to imply an elitism....they really do....we have heard from people, who are well known and well established mn being vetoed for moldies....etc....

I can understand why people want to talk in private, etc...but tbh, why be so secretive about the set up, etc...? I think it was the secrecy that got some peoples hackles up...

LucyJones Mon 05-Jan-09 14:27:11

oh I don't know
i don't want a ruck either smile
I just liked Twiglett and feel sad that she has dereged so isnt here to defend herself so quoting her seems pointless sad

Flightattendant7 Mon 05-Jan-09 14:27:24

hmmm...(goes and reads dictionary as only source of comfort)

Well I've reported my own post and this is what I have said in the little box:


have been in for some flack about this and tbh would rather not upset anyone; Geraldine if this is what your comment was about last night I apologise.

Please do feel free to delete it if you feel it is an attack, it isn't meant to be as I don't feel an attack is warranted. But I might find it hard to take if someone searched my old posts to demonstrate that I had said something that appeared counter to my present arguments.

Can I let you be judge of this please - I'm not impartial enough and could be deluding myself..
thankyou and sorry for the trouble.'

I hope this helps. MNHQ might have a better head on than me.

but she de-reged by choice, I assume....and the post quoted, kinda did show just how she had changed her mind on that point....

Flightattendant7 Mon 05-Jan-09 14:28:34

LJ, thanks for the smile

I do see what you mean

however she could rereg and say something if she wanted, nobody's stopping her iyswim.

Anyway shall we forget it now.

LucyJones Mon 05-Jan-09 14:30:42

<shakes hand>

Tortington Mon 05-Jan-09 14:36:18

nah, man. i'm telling you if 6 years of me telling you about my daughter becomming deaf, my husnamd being a prick, my eldest sons miriad of problems. etc.

i think this is a two way street here my 'friends'

there is a belittling of peoples feelings and strngth of feeling on this subjct

pronouncing 'tis only the internet'

tis only the internet , why run away set up your own secret forum, appoint a tech even and invite everyone.

internet friends are pretend then why - i need somewhere to talk to cod and twiglett and the rest.

a fish and a marmite pretzel

or does that do a disservice to the yers andhelp and advice that somepeople have listening to others problems and advising on it

this is out of order stuff fio - please don't patronise me by trying to defend the fact that a secret forum was set up with well known mumsnet members that was kept a secret. polls and lists of who should be members were discussed and voted on

so please do not dare to boil this down to a single issue of my friendships.

it is one of a few issues that this whole horrid affair.

constant simplifying of my feelings of 'not real' internet friendships - when those same people run off and create a bloody forum for the same thing...give me strength.

so excuse the fuck out of me if i am genuinley upset that people who have seen me through 6 years of my and my families life, do something like this schoolground elitist stunt of picking who is the best for the netball team.

take your netball team and shove it

FioFio Mon 05-Jan-09 14:39:48

custy, I am not trying to patronise you at all. I was putting my feelings forward. I can understand why you are upset too.

God Flight, do not search my posts. I change my mind every five minutes

Tortington Mon 05-Jan-09 14:41:58

the greatest insult is to try and defend it - becuase you can't.

you have all done something spectacularly mean and spiteful, and if your answer to that is a metaphoric 'fuck you' thats like the shit cherry on top of shit pie

if non of you ( i have thus far counted ONE!) have the humilty to say - what we did was spectaculary mean and hurtful, you have a right to be upset and sound off about it...i completely understand, then best be rid of behave in this unspeakable manner towards others

you wouldn't accept if from your children.

elliott Mon 05-Jan-09 14:43:56

well, I've not posted before on this as it all blew up just as I went on xmas break. But let me put myself firmly in the 'its just not cricket' camp.
I'm one of those who has been here a long time but doesn't have much 'presence' and tbh, I'm happy with that. I don't want to create RL friendships from MN because to me, part of the point is about discussing things that you wouldn't say to people if they 'really' knew you. (like, nerdy databases for keeping tabs of finances grin)
So, yes, I do miss some familiar names (and had been wondering where they had gone, until it all became horribly clear), and it does leave a nasty playground exclusion type of feeling, but you know, I think there will still be a few people around here to share holiday tips and recipes with wink. There are lots of names disappeared from when I first started, some have namechanged and some now gone to moldies, but I guess that's life.

Anyway I know I'm about 10 days too late with this but just wanted to say my piece...

Fio, so, how would you have felt if you were excluded?

SaintGeorge Mon 05-Jan-09 14:52:14

<<sticks head in>>

Can I just point out that the Twig post is totally irrelevant to the whole argument anyway as she was objecting at the time to a live chatroom, which is a completely different entity to a forum.

<<retires again>>

LucyJones Mon 05-Jan-09 15:03:09

lol SaintGeorge

GeraldineMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 05-Jan-09 15:04:54

Hi there, my post repeating Carrie's post (!) wasn't in response to any particular post/poster - it was just an [unsuccessful] attempt to pour oil on troubled waters and possibly head off another retreading of the same ground.

ilovelovemydog Mon 05-Jan-09 15:06:42


How much longer can one use the festive smileys? smile

GeraldineMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 05-Jan-09 15:09:11

Well, I did toy with getting BigTech to remove them before Twelfth Night, but thought better of it! So they'll be here until tomorrow, Jan 6th.

revjustaboutwipestheslateclean Mon 05-Jan-09 15:09:20

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

lol rev....

revjustaboutwipestheslateclean Mon 05-Jan-09 15:11:24

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

VinegarTits Mon 05-Jan-09 15:17:27

As i said in my 'infamous' quote used by the DM, i personally, am glad about Moldies, as i think that cliquey feeling has gone from MN

I remember when i first started posting on MN, there were a lot of prolific posters who would shout you down for being meek and mild, and asking(in their opinion) stupid questions that had already been asked before, becuase you werent allowed to repeat questions that might have already been discussed, oh no, you would get told off or [yawn] or [boring] or hmm

I realised that to survive on here, i would have to namechange and have more of a 'i dont give a shit who you are, i will say what i like' attitude, which is why i came up with VinegerTits, it made me feel i could 'tongue lash' my way through the cliqueyness without being flamed, and you know what it worked.

That feeling has gone now, i really feel it is a much calmer, nicer place to post

That is not a personal attack on Moldies btw, but i just feel there are some posters who are better off there, bigger fish in a smaller pond iykwim. Having said that there are a lot of posters who have gone that i miss, i used to enjoy reading their posts, like kewcumber and colditz, those people who made vaulable contributions with their wisdom, and didnt just flame people for their stupidity.

randomcupsoftea Mon 05-Jan-09 15:19:58

Flightattendant - your quotes where interesting and, imho, fit in well with the debate.

Custardo - it's not fair on you. I think you deserve some answers.

I think the name should change from moldie to othersiter or whatever. Not all oldies are moldies.

randomcupsoftea Mon 05-Jan-09 15:22:02

Agree with you vtits - I find it much more reasonable. The moldies aspect explains why some threads just went crazy and there were many insults & much awfulness.

Dior Mon 05-Jan-09 15:31:18

I would like to thank Geraldine for deleting all my posts. I'm sure I was being paranoid, but I have posted a lot of personal information on here in the past. I am still going to be here (for those of you who have asked on MN or via email) but may have a different name in future posts.

This whole debacle has taught me a big lesson - no more personal posts. Oh yes, no bad swearing or papers will quote you, despite the majority of your posts being supportive hmm.

Finally, this whole thing is now just getting on my nerves in a big way. I miss all the old posters on here. I don't think they made the place bitchy - there has been a fair amount of bitching in the last two weeks without them. OK, so some found them overbearing, but I didn't. I'm big and ugly enough to stand up for myself.

That is not to say that new posters won't come along with personalities just as big and funny to fill the gap. So, while some of us continue to vent their spleen and get some weird kudos for doing so from the new 'gang', I would urge the site to become its calm and serene self again soon.

Like Soupy, until it does, I will be posting no more. I'm sure that won't worry a lot of you, but it WILL worry me.

Happy New Year!

ilovelovemydog Mon 05-Jan-09 15:36:34

is tomorrow the 12th night hmm

<note to self: take down Christmas Tree>

daftpunk Mon 05-Jan-09 15:46:24

this is a parenting you join and fall in love with everyone? i can see how the moldies thing has annoyed people...but no one that has anything to do with that site has come out looking that good (imo)..

they are trying to recreate the can't...times change, people move on....and as for a small site being safer (and i'd hardly call 150 small) would you walk into a room with 150 people and complain about the size of your patners dick? no, so i can't see how you would discuss really personal stuff even on the moldies site..

time to move's a new year...let's forget about it.

Flightattendant7 Mon 05-Jan-09 15:48:19

fio, I shan't be searching your posts, unless you get misquoted by a few people and there is a WRONG WORD in it and in that case sorry but i shan't be rsponsible for my actions smile

responsible, Flight wink

Flightattendant7 Mon 05-Jan-09 15:52:58


elliott Mon 05-Jan-09 15:53:30

dior I saw all your posts had gone - I was searching for something innocuous like advice about kitchen appliances and found a thread that was practically all deleted posts - you, cod, someone else I think - it made me very sad that such harmless (but useful!) threads had been decimated...
I'm also sad if Soupy has gone.

But I think I'm going to revise my opinion of myself - its not so much that I don't have much of a presence, I have realised I am in fact invisible grin

FioFio Mon 05-Jan-09 15:57:02

but I have discussed my vaginal warts and no-one has raised an eyebrow daftpunkwink..................well not that I can see anyway

As for how would I feel if I had been excluded, paranoid most probably. But I spend way too much time online anyway so it may have been a blessing. I did not realise that by choosing to post on another forum (with alot of people I emailed for years beforehand) it meant I would not be able to use mumsnet anymore though. Mumsnet and the people on it have meant alot to me over the years and have helped me beyond words and I try to help other people if I feel I can.

tbh, I would think it would be a shame if anyone would feel they can't post anymore...moldie or not moldie....grin
I just wondered how you would have felt....iykwim smile

Mercy Mon 05-Jan-09 16:03:45

I think you made an interesting point earlier Fio.

Perhaps anyone who is upset or angry should contact those Mners that you have met or made friends with in RL and whom you believe to be a member of Moldies.

Awww Elliot...I can see you {grin]

daftpunk Mon 05-Jan-09 16:06:42

fifio; i'm genuinely sorry you felt you couldn't discuss your warts on mumsnet...i really am.

Tortington Mon 05-Jan-09 16:08:32

but why would i POSSIBLY do that mercy?

daftpunk, Fio actually said that she has discussed rather personal issues, like vaginal warts, on mumsnet....
or that is how I understood that post...

elliott Mon 05-Jan-09 16:11:16

Thank you fairlady!

FioFio Mon 05-Jan-09 16:11:22

I have discussed far too much everywhere, that is my problem. I really need to tidy up my house and speak to my children

Blossomhill Mon 05-Jan-09 16:17:24

fio so that's where you've been hiding grin

Blossomhill Mon 05-Jan-09 16:20:40

Sorry not read the rest of this thread only this page blush