RGS Guildford

(159 Posts)
Slideraft Fri 17-Jan-14 09:01:52

Has anybody had a second interview letter yet?

Footballteacher Fri 17-Jan-14 14:44:01

Got one today. Second interview in verbal reasoning. V proud as ds goes to local primary & didn't have a tutor. However, have no idea what he should expect from the interview. Any help gratefully received !

Slideraft Fri 17-Jan-14 16:38:51

Good luck with that. Well done for getting this far.
I am finding the whole thing tooooo stressful. ����

Lolakins Sat 18-Jan-14 18:51:30

Anyone got any negative replies yet?? I wonder what no news means?

anotheryearsoanothername Sat 18-Jan-14 19:19:05

If dh heard it right can someone confirm that they are changing the immediate no thanks letters to later in the process this year. So, according to dh in that meeting, instead of sending them about now, they will be posting them at the end of Jan. It seems from the posts on here that if you have an interview you should have heard by now for a VR/ENG/Maths interview. Oh well, as the saying goes no news is good news or, this year, bad news. Any ideas how many were for 11 plus and how many for 13 plus? Thanks for starting a thread.

Slideraft Sat 18-Jan-14 19:23:10

No news is good news!
I think the 2nd interview letter is the first possible communication from the school, 2nd option is the No letter! (We really don't want one of them, but.....)
We are hoping to fly under the radar till the 15th Feb, we are all wearing our invisibility cloaks!
Fingers crossed for everybody.

Slideraft Sat 18-Jan-14 19:28:02

Think there is still time to get a second interview letter.
Some came out on Thursday but I know of one that was received today!

Lolakins Sat 18-Jan-14 19:55:34

Last year the no letter came on the Tuesday, ie 10 days after the exam. So maybe if we can cross that hurdle? .....

barbour Sat 18-Jan-14 20:19:57

No news (i.e. no 2nd interview letter) yet means likely you will either get a "No" letter at end of Jan or a "yes" letter a few days into Feb. Only middle third should have got a 2nd interview invitation by now. Though who knows if some 2nd interview letters may still arrive (if a bit delayed) on Monday, though looks like people received them yesterday or today.

Think those who did well enough who applied for entry at year 7 to qualify as potential scholarship material will invited for that in last week of Jan too.

Lolakins Sat 18-Jan-14 21:10:45

No, the scholarship letters have arrived....

woodrunner Mon 20-Jan-14 14:13:52

No news is definitely good news at RGS.

Football - have you done zero VR with him, or has he done some papers at home? If not, get some papers and run through them with him. Much much easier to work out that stuff if the brain is warmed up to what is being asked of it.

Footballteacher Mon 20-Jan-14 17:02:35

Hi Woodrunner, thanks for your advice. He has done some v r papers at home and did ok but said he found the codes harder in the exam. He has dine a couple of online tests in preparation for tomorrow. I think he has no problem working them out eventually but is a bit slow. Good luck & best wishes to all awaiting letters !

Lolakins Tue 21-Jan-14 13:47:12

How did the exams go today? Still waiting to hear anything. I know we can't expect anything for another 9 days at least, but this waiting is almost too much to bear!

nibs777 Tue 21-Jan-14 16:39:55

I am curious...for those applying, is RGS your first choice and are you looking at other schools? See some other threads that compare RGS to Hampton for example.

Footballteacher Tue 21-Jan-14 18:33:58

My son felt that the VR interview went very well today. He was told he won't find out now until mid February, so those of you who have sons that went back today for 2nd interviews, be prepared for a longer wait ! Good luck to all.

Lolakins Tue 21-Jan-14 18:48:27

RGS is definitely my first choice. Hampton too far away.
Glad the interview went well!! And welcome to the waiting club!

nibs777 Wed 22-Jan-14 14:38:40

interesting position to be hoping that the postman does NOT bring anything for a few days on the basis that no news is good news...but when does anyone know when the "No" letters come?

Slideraft Wed 22-Jan-14 15:56:23

RGS will only say end of the month for the No letters. Does that mean the 31st?

putney Wed 22-Jan-14 18:29:39

can anyone confirm that the academic scholarship exam letters have been sent / received ?

Slideraft Wed 22-Jan-14 19:34:23

Lolakins reported that some scholarship letters arrived last Saturday. We were not expecting one of those! I'm finding the waiting very difficult, my son 2 other exams and we had expected to hear from at least one of them by now........
Good luck to all the boys, my alcohol consumption will continue to rise the longer we wait!

putney Wed 22-Jan-14 19:57:11

the waiting is awful - still hoping no news is good news !

Lolakins Thu 23-Jan-14 15:58:56

The scholarship letters have definitely been sent - not to my son unfortunately (!), but to some friends.

mummybear35 Thu 23-Jan-14 20:41:40

Ok so let me get this right...scholarship letters are out, tomorrow (Fri 24th) is last day of second interviews....so I assume if we haven't heard anything so far, we're either in the bottom third therefore will get a 'no thank you' letter by the end of next week....or an acceptance letter by early Feb to mid Feb? Is that the order of things then?

sedster Thu 23-Jan-14 21:56:35

I thought there were still some second interviews on 31st?

Lolakins Fri 24-Jan-14 10:35:00

Does anyone know what percentage of second inteviewees typically get in? Because if it is about half, and this categorisation into top, middle and bottom thirds is correct, that would suggest roughly half of all boys who sat the exam got in, which doesn't sound right to me!

Lolakins Fri 24-Jan-14 10:39:53

For what it's worth, I think they interview the bottom end of the top third and reject the bottom two thirds. Otherwise the numbers just don't add up. This isn't making me feel any more hopeful!

AlisonP15 Fri 24-Jan-14 10:50:02

As it is apparently 2.5 to a place that works out - they will offer slightly more than 100 as not everyone will accept. My son had a second interview and I was told we will hear nothing till mid Feb now - does that mean we could still get a rejection or more hopeful waiting list ...?

Lolakins Fri 24-Jan-14 16:06:01

Don't know. Waiting list probably.

Slideraft Mon 27-Jan-14 14:26:17

Special plea to anybody waiting.... I'm away until Thursday morning. Please can anybody let me know as soon as you hear of any 'no sorry' letters hitting the mat.
I really want to be there to support my DS (if we do get a No Thanks.) Hubby is around, but will need a shove from me to make sure he gets to the post first!
Anybody, also waiting for Salesian?

Longsuffering2 Mon 27-Jan-14 15:44:54

We've had nothing ...it is a like a long toothache! DS asking me daily if any news....have a hunch 'nos' may land this week. Good luck all! We sat Hampton on Saturday - sounds like RGS entrant/pupil ratio much higher than there........fingers crossed!

AlisonP15 Mon 27-Jan-14 16:15:48

Anyone know anymore about second interviewees? How many places for them?? So stressful....!

nibs777 Mon 27-Jan-14 16:43:53

what are the Hampton vs RGS applicant vs places figures? Curious as guess some of the numbers overlap because some apply to both.

Yes, think the straight "No"s will land at the end of this week for RGS.

Then what's left is the "Yes", or the "No but you are invited to try again at 12+" letters to land by mid Feb.

Longsuffering2 Mon 27-Jan-14 18:57:31

Had heard purely on grapevine 1:8 for Hampton......who knows though. DS found maths paper v hard, so not holding out there. Nibs777, I reckon your timings sound right - we sat for 13plus, the come back at 12 option had slipped my mind. ��....so I guess we're not through the woods even if we survive the week.

woodrunner Tue 28-Jan-14 20:10:02

Hampton has a much wider selection of boys trying out for other schools though, especially in London. Some use Hampton as their back up if they don't get into Westminster or St Pauls, Tiffin or Kings. So although more sit, the numbers probably even out, as they offer out a higher percentage of places which are not taken up. Hampton's waiting list is quite mobile, whereas for many parents in Surrey RGS is first choice, so if the boy gets a place it's more usually accepted because there are fewer choices of that calibre in the area.

nibs777 Tue 28-Jan-14 22:20:49

do you think many would reject Hampton for Tiffin or is it not sometimes the other way round? If so why (apart from the obvious for choosing Tiffin - that one is free)...if you did or would, what had Hampton got over Tiffin? (facilities, sport, all roundedness?)

nibs777 Tue 28-Jan-14 22:23:26

or on that topic...why Hampton over RGS or vice versa (apart from reasons like logistics)..just curious as I don't know either school well apart from looking at both of them.

JaneyPal Wed 29-Jan-14 10:18:05

Hi!

I had a long chat with the admissions tutor this week.

What I gleaned was.....

No's should be out for Friday (though second interviews no' scone later so beware!)
This third, third, third thing is well off the mark. You'd have to be well in the top half to get an interview
So.....no news is still likely to be bad news given the odds unfortunately!
Implied less being interviewed now so better chance of getting in if you did one
And it's true what the head said on the day - many boys go through interview so worry not about coping there!

Jx

Longsuffering2 Wed 29-Jan-14 11:21:50

Hi Janeypal - thanks so much for that info. Does 'out on Friday' mean hitting the mat then? Or are they posting them on Friday? I know they've done exactly as they said, but waiting is sooo hard.

nibs777 Wed 29-Jan-14 11:50:32

So if you are waiting better that a letter from RGS does NOT arrive this week...because if it does it is unfortunately going to be a No...

Longsuffering2 Wed 29-Jan-14 12:24:18

Thanks for reassuring logic Nibs.....I hadn't thought of that!

nibs777 Wed 29-Jan-14 12:45:38

I think I am correct ...it's a strange process but I suppose there must be a logic to it ....it's just ironic waiting to not see the postman bringing anything this week as is the poor man/woman is a harbinger of doom!...Soon we may be into the posts on whether it is a fat letter or a thin one and if you can tell for the few nerve wracking seconds before you open it ....

nibs777 Wed 29-Jan-14 12:47:43

i also wonder if the admissions folk read these posts and are bemused at the nervous speculation...

Longsuffering2 Wed 29-Jan-14 13:13:20

No...I'm sure they'll be swamped just manning the phone-line and marking.....I'm impressed by all those cool cucumbers out there, we did this with DD a few years ago and all worked out fine - I was a wreck back then and feel even worse now. Am feeling than an offer - any offer from anywhere for poor DS would be just great! Am going to stick a bottle in the fridge ready for Friday night - good plan either way.

nibs777 Wed 29-Jan-14 13:20:21

..you'd think in this economic climate with significant hikes in private fees over the years, applicant numbers would be down vs places but no...seems to be a flight to quality in terms of education and applications to decent senior schools are at record highs in most cases....

Lolakins Wed 29-Jan-14 14:07:20

I wouldn't start celebrating on Friday night, even if you receive no letter Longsuffering2! What if the post was simply delayed???

Longsuffering2 Wed 29-Jan-14 14:44:01

Thanks Lolakins. Bottle was intended to drown sorrows or at least celebrate having survived this week.

nibs777 Wed 29-Jan-14 16:13:15

aah...one day you will look back and think these things are not as life changing as we fear...when i think of GCSEs...i can't even recall the last time I bothered to put those on a CV or even A levels...just stick to including the degree now, the post grad qualifications and extensive professional work experience...

Lolakins Wed 29-Jan-14 19:23:23

Yes, but at the moment they seem uber important! So are the no letters coming on Friday or on Saturday? Janeypal please clarify!

JaneyPal Wed 29-Jan-14 20:03:17

They implied Friday but I would not rely on that at all. Indeed I'm sure they prefer them to land on Saturday as it prevents an instant wave of pleading phone calls (been there!) and gives disappointed parents 48 hours to cool down and accept the verdict!!

Longsuffering2 Wed 29-Jan-14 20:07:26

Hang in there Lolakins. I'm seeing alot of strained faces down at school - not to mention my own. Reeds have sent out their offer letters today - I am a bit surprised as I thought (according to Hampton website) that local schools agreed offers not posted until Thursday 13th to avoid 'cherry-picking' candidates. Perpective not easy to have when fundamentally there is a desperate shortage of places in the area. It is tough. My poor DS has had serious sleep issues since October and virtually no sleep night before each and every pre-test. Never had such issues with DD who is as cool asa cucumber.

reddidi Wed 29-Jan-14 20:50:34

"Never had such issues with DD who is as cool asa cucumber."

Girls have got GHS, Tormead, St. Teresa's, Manor House, Greenacre, Sir William Perkins, Notre Dame, LEH, St. Catherines, Marymount, Surbiton Sutton Wimbledon and Putney Highs (more?) all to themselves.

Boys have RGS, KCS, Halliford, Hampton, Reeds and Ewell Castle.

Longsuffering2 Thu 30-Jan-14 13:13:13

.....there is also Claremont, Box Hill, St George's College, Epsom College, St Johns, Wellington College, Cranleigh, and Tiffin for the boys - to name a few....not saying boys are spoiled 'cos they're not but there is a lack of middle-tier day schools for boys. I am seeing friends considering boarding - not because they really want that, but because they don't have much choice if they want to remain in the independent system. That seems tough, as not everyone has the money - us included.

reddidi Thu 30-Jan-14 13:27:01

They are all co-ed Longsuffering2. My point was that there are thousands more places in independent senior schools in SW London/North Surrey for 11 year old girls than there are for boys, schools that have places for both don't affect that imbalance.

woodrunner Thu 30-Jan-14 15:49:25

Gosh are all those schools co-ed? I just assumed Wellington and Epsom were both boys' schools.

There is Charterhouse. That's not co-ed is it? And there are all the Sutton grammars - Wallington, Sutton and Wilson's as well as Tiffin - all super selective boys' only state schools.

What about Dulwich College? Too far East?

reddidi Thu 30-Jan-14 17:21:56

"Gosh are all those schools co-ed? I just assumed Wellington and Epsom were both boys' schools."

Well there you are - you see my point now? Nearly all boys schools have gone co-ed but nearly all girls schools have stayed single sex, resulting in a huge imbalance in places.

"There is Charterhouse. That's not co-ed is it?"

No, but it has no 11+ entry and I stopped at Guildford smile. That reminds me, I meant to put St Cats x 2 for girls (Bramley and Teddington).

"And there are all the Sutton grammars - Wallington, Sutton and Wilson's as well as Tiffin - all super selective boys' only state schools."

I was only talking about independents, the situation in the state sector is in some catchments even worse but these are all local problems, the competition for independent places for boys covers the whole area.

"What about Dulwich College? Too far East?"

Not really possible for most in SW London/NE Surrey.

Lolakins Thu 30-Jan-14 23:11:37

I think we are all getting distracted from the main point of this thread which is that tomorrow may be D Day! Good luck to everyone!

Lolakins Fri 31-Jan-14 09:21:28

At work now, so blissfully unaware of anything landing on the mat!

paranoidmum123 Fri 31-Jan-14 09:52:54

Lucky you lolakins. Have spent the last hour loitering around the house aimlessly. Can't concentrate on anything. I think I should just leave the house for a few hours!!

Slideraft Fri 31-Jan-14 10:28:56

Nothing in the post for us?? Think it must be leaving guildford today?!

Lolakins Fri 31-Jan-14 11:42:57

Or maybe you're in. Better wait though!

paranoidmum123 Fri 31-Jan-14 12:11:09

Nothing in the post for us either! What does that mean?!?!

paranoidmum123 Fri 31-Jan-14 12:13:42

Just called the school. The letters are being sent out today. So there won't be anything until tomorrow.

nibs777 Fri 31-Jan-14 12:16:15

I suspect the no letters will arrive either today or more likely tomorrow...if you don't get one, I think its means you are either going to get a letter later in Feb confirming your DS is
1) in; or
2) not in but invited back to try again for 12+
3) your post is tardy and you may still get a no letter on Monday!

But yes, better not to get any letter from RGS this weekend.

Longsuffering2 Fri 31-Jan-14 12:59:36

Nothing here today.......Saturdays fine - time for stuff to sink in either way and there is a double episode of The Bridge! Getting bored with all this now.

BlueStringPudding Fri 31-Jan-14 14:26:51

Wishing you all the best of luck!

I've had the pleasure to meet quite a few RGS boys (as have older DDs), and I can say that without exception they have been lovely.

Interested to know if when you apply you can specify 13+ entry, but say you'll take an 11+ entry if offered, or do you have to choose only one of those?

Lolakins Fri 31-Jan-14 14:55:15

You have to choose one or the other.

BlueStringPudding Fri 31-Jan-14 18:36:02

ok thanks for clarification, fortunately we have a few years before we need to decide, and it's too early to know if it would be the right school for him anyway, but it's definitely on my list..

Longsuffering2 Fri 31-Jan-14 19:32:46

Met 4 lovely RGS mums today - their advice......"have faith in the admission people's decision, by and large - they get it right".....boys are all shapes / sizes / sporty / non-sporty - makes me sound the like of the place even more. Stay away from this house tomorrow Mr Postman! Good luck all! Xx

wokingwoman Sat 01-Feb-14 10:15:45

It's Saturday! Did anyone hear anything? Nothing here, but you never know whether it's just because it's been held up and will arrive on Monday! So still can't be sure, fingers still crossed! confused

Lolakins Sat 01-Feb-14 10:39:25

Post man's come and gone with nothing from RGS!

Longsuffering2 Sat 01-Feb-14 15:10:09

Not a peep here....maybe they stamped no letters 2nd class?!

Lolakins Sat 01-Feb-14 15:46:44

Sounds like it! Let's see what happens on Monday. I wonder if they even sent them yesterday.

Slideraft Sat 01-Feb-14 22:34:27

We got a No Thanks today. DS gutted. We have 1 very good "Yes Please," but he had his heart set on RGS.
Well done to all you lucky boys/mums that had no post today.
Mx

Lolakins Sat 01-Feb-14 22:38:42

I am so sorry.

Longsuffering2 Sat 01-Feb-14 23:06:47

Genuinely sorry to hear Slideraft....but glad that you have the yes please also. They are young kids and this 11 plus process cuts to the core - very hard. I will be a bit down also if DS gets a no, but will also have faith that he wouldn't be the right fit. Wish you heartfelt best wishes. It is just a school and many others out there are excellent of not better in their own way! X

Cantwaittillitsallover14 Sun 02-Feb-14 09:24:43

Sorry to hear your news but in some ways envious. As a mum of a second interview boy, I just wish the waiting was over either way. My son is so stressed by the process I almost feel tempted to pull him out myself! If you have a clever child they will do well wherever they are.

wishitweredone Mon 03-Feb-14 08:14:48

Hopefully no news today for people today. Slideraft, with dd previously I found myself finding out as much as possible for other very good 'yes please' school, searching their website for all the great things they do. Am sure this was actually more about convincing me rather than her as she recovered from all this much quicker than I did. On all these threads (they have been a lifeline) the common theme is that we find it worse than the dc. Am aware how ridiculous that must sound but ... For anyone who did grammars it has been a very long process.Does your yes please school have an offers day you can take him to?I do think it is very mean not to send all the no answers for those interviewed at this time but maybe they then operate a waiting list. My ds said he saw quite a few boys he had seen at other schools. Does anyone know how many sat 11 plus as opposed to 13 plus.

ballylee Mon 03-Feb-14 08:52:15

yes awfully long process if you have sat for grammar(s) back in October and won't hear if you are in for sure til beginning of March and then sat a bunch of indie entrance exams in January .....not sure how it benefits children to have this hanging over them for so long...at least it's all coming to a conclusion this week/next week...i don't understand why RGS don't send all the results letters out on the same day or at least can't tell the Nos sooner (especially those not invited for 2nd interview who are a straight no.) ...there does seem to be a lot of speculation dependent on the postman not arriving ...

Longsuffering2 Mon 03-Feb-14 12:06:39

Post has been. No 'no' letter here today.......not sure what to think yet. Bit early to start getting excited.

woodrunner Mon 03-Feb-14 12:45:42

Slideraft - so sorry to hear that - all the more so as he had his heart set on the school. But brilliant news that you have a really good acceptance already. Help him focus on that and all the brilliant things the yes school offers. Lots of schools have better grounds/on site facilities than RGS so you can maybe focus on those?

paranoidmum123 Mon 03-Feb-14 13:08:44

Slideraft, really disappointed for you, but I guess we need to have faith in their system. My son didn't get into the grammar school that he wanted to, and I was gutted then but now I know he would have been very unhappy in such an academic environment, and he is better suited for a school that gives sport as much importance.
All the best!! I am sure he'll be very very happy in the school he has an offer for.

HugoPepper Mon 03-Feb-14 13:41:48

I am new to this thread - my son will be trying for RGS in 2 years. Can you please share what text they used in the English paper for comprehension this year and what the prompts were for creative writing. X

Longsuffering2 Mon 03-Feb-14 14:15:21

Just spoke to Mrs Sweet in Admissions. 13+ Entry 'No' letters were definitely POSTED last Friday so should have been received Saturday or today in normal post conditions - floods may cause a delay in receipt. 12+ invite letters will be posted out on the same day as offers - 13th February. Hope this is useful. She was very kind on the phone.

htpt11 Mon 03-Feb-14 15:36:08

ohh.. what about 11+ lettres? have they been posted on Friday too?

Longsuffering2 Mon 03-Feb-14 16:41:38

Yes 11 and 13 plus nos are out now.

wishitweredone Mon 03-Feb-14 18:32:37

That's kind of you to let people know Longsuffering. On last year's thread someone did the same and at least it makes it clearer and people can hope to start to plan, unless sure that their postbag has floated off down to the ocean. This said won't be down to second hand uniform supplier (is there one?) just yet! Cross with myself for wishing his life away but whatever and wherever it has been tough but we have all learnt quite a bit along the way

Longsuffering2 Mon 03-Feb-14 19:40:40

.....Ha ha, have just asked DS how he would feel about possibility of re-sitting RGS for 12+ next year - look on his face was like I'd boiled pet bunny! I realise many would be delighted for that opportunity but can't help feeling it would be the wooden spoon for us. )-:

ballylee Mon 03-Feb-14 20:21:46

More idle speculation while waiting ....but I wonder if the "come back at 12+ because we are uncertain" is going to be limited to a portion of those who were interviewed rather than those who were not invited for second interview and also have not had a no letter ...

Alternatively, the ranking might have been simply sorted after the exam of:
1) those who get a yes
2) those who get a second interview
3) those who will be invited back at 12+ and
4)those who get a no...

where 3) and 4) will consist of some of those in 2), but not all of 3) would have been in 2)?

JaneyPal Mon 03-Feb-14 21:00:06

Unless it's changed since last year ballylee, you can't be second interviewed now and be invited back at 12+.

Latter is only for those who went for 13+ entry - school see no need to interview them so quickly as they can let them develop for another year, ten check again.

So, distinct interview paths for 11 and 13+ entry routes.

ballylee Mon 03-Feb-14 22:23:18

ah I see...that makes perfect sense then JaneyPal...

nodumbblonde Mon 03-Feb-14 23:12:46

Had such lovely feedback from two other schools ds applied to it starts to make you think...

Longsuffering2 Tue 04-Feb-14 11:46:36

Would anyone out there happen to know (or dare to ask!) how many offers are made versus invites to sit 12+?......I've a feeling that's where we may be at now. Of course, it is what it is....but I just can't resist doing the probability calculation. Got to wait til the 13/14th now. )-:

ballylee Tue 04-Feb-14 12:22:23

You'll have no nails left by then Longsuffering! Think optimistically, I imagine the invites to try again at 12+ are a small number - can't imagine they'd want to leave that many hanging out there and also because they may have offers from other schools to decide on

Longsuffering2 Tue 04-Feb-14 12:48:11

I'm not Longsuffering without reason - cant be optimistic or I'll end up jinxing the thing. Tbh even if gets 12+ invite then, I'm a really proud mum as he'd made a good job of a hard exam. Ps have never had nails to chew! X

paranoidmum123 Tue 04-Feb-14 13:18:55

The head at my son's school said that the number of boys called back to take the 12+ is very small.
But sadly, the way I understand it is that those children will only be given places if they have any vacancies and not enough children take up the place after the year 7 intake.

ballylee Tue 04-Feb-14 13:23:07

Interesting, so are there also wait list boys ahead of the "come back and try again at 12+ boys", or no wait list at all? I mean at some point there must be some who make would suit but the school is just too oversubscribed

Longsuffering2 Tue 04-Feb-14 15:37:00

You've lost me a little Ballylee.....I would imagine the only waitlist folks would be 12+ boys waiting for ad-hoc vacancies. Headmaster made no mention of any waitlist on speech morning. I'm a little twitchy on the 12+ thing as our school enters very few boys to RGS as a whole. Last year a lovely lad got the 12+ invite which they declined to take up. To accept 12+ invite would mean declining a firm offer from elsewhere or taking up another offer and putting deposits down.....I know some folks do that but its messy and stressful, surely?

ballylee Tue 04-Feb-14 17:01:41

Longsuffering

"Invite to try again at 12+" is not a waiting list as such, it's just an invite to sit the exam and interview again in a year's time - and in the Admission Supplement they also allow boys who have not sat the 11+ to try at 12+ assume this will be for a very few places that may still be available for year 3 entry at that stage and it would still be conditional on getting 70% at CE if from a prep school.

I was wondering if they had an actual wait list at all for those who pre-tested at 11+ (which would mean you may get a conditional offer if someone drops out) without having to sit the 12+.

Chances are if you have not been rejected as yet, as the number for invites to sit again at 12+ are v small, you will get a yes in mid Feb.

I don't think you have to decline any firm offers at all if one gets a "No but try again at 12+" letter - but you will of course have to pay the other school's acceptance deposit and risk losing that if you later get an offer and accept for RGS after sitting the 12+.

Slideraft Tue 04-Feb-14 18:27:00

Delighted to see so many still holding hands & supporting each other!
A huge thank you for all the kind words.
DS was shocked & upset, but it didn't really last long.
We have made our decision, paid our deposit and I can't tell you how good that feels! I am sure he is going to the right school for him, we got lovely feedback from the head & received a certificate telling him he was comfortably in the top 25% of candidates. Made him feel so much better.
I wish you all a very happy 15th Feb.
Jx

Longsuffering2 Tue 04-Feb-14 19:08:35

That's a heart-warming and happy end to your story Slideraft! Hopefully he will trot into his new school full of confidence and excitement. Well done and very best wishes!!!!

nodumbblonde Tue 04-Feb-14 22:50:08

Brilliant news slideraft, so pleased for you and your ds, so lovely that you have had such positive feedback - the best motivation any child could have!

woodrunner Wed 05-Feb-14 12:38:49

Slideraft how lovely that they sent him a certificate. He'll thrive. That sounds like a great school. (Which one is it? I'm intrigued...)

Longsuffering2 Wed 05-Feb-14 15:31:21

Hi all - I have a query on the RGS 13+ CE condition of 70% average. Is this something to be particularly worried about? Does anyone out there know of a poor soul who didn't get that and lost their place? My question is slightly self-serving because I know in the lucky event of an offer, I will have to break joyful news of 70% CE condition to him and I doubt he will whoop with delight! Especially as he is 11+ offer from Reeds with no CE at all. He average 78% across his term end exams, so perhaps I'm worrying. Can't really trust our schools opinion as not many go to RGS. Any help much appreciate all. Thanks!

Longsuffering2 Thu 06-Feb-14 13:53:32

Is anyone else out there feeling peeed off with this waiting? Read last years RGS entry thread last night - a DS got the 12+ invite, she sounded very depressed. I wonder why they can't feasibly get those 12+ letters out earlier with the 'Nos'...? It does seem a bit sadistic to leave it to the very end. My mind is now saying that I want the 12+, then we can say 'No'. Thinking the 70% CE seems tortuous in every way. Would be nice for poor DS to just be a kid for a few years pre-GCSE rather than slogging his guts over some archaic system. Humph!!

Longsuffering2 Thu 06-Feb-14 14:00:23

To top it all, husband had a 'wobble' last night over fee planning next few years. Felt like strangling after all DS effort. "How much.??!!" ....followed by much sucking of cheeks and finally "right well...we'll have to find it!" - he gets a cold sandwich for dinner tonight! Grrrr!

Slideraft Thu 06-Feb-14 14:46:41

Oh poor you!
I can't tell you how good it feels to be out of the game! I think that if any boy is clever enough to pass the RGS entrance exam, then common entrance will not be a problem. (Even to guildfords standards)
Why don't you give Mrs Sweet a ring.....she's lovely & I'm sure can reassure you.
Hang on in there, 1 week to go! ������

Longsuffering2 Thu 06-Feb-14 15:17:36

Thanks Slideraft...you are lucky to have it sorted,well done! Wouldn't want to ring Mrs Sweet, she might think I'm trying to pressure her for a thumbs up on the results. Just gotta wait. Discussions on cash late at night make for very bad karma. )-:

htpt11 Thu 06-Feb-14 18:07:36

Agree with you long suffering - I'm in a panic mode too, having offer from Reeds makes it feel safer but on a like to like basis Reeds seems much more expensive for what they can offer.. Has anyone sit Reigate this year? No letters from them either, assume we have to blame Trinity agreement for all this ..

Longsuffering2 Thu 06-Feb-14 20:15:28

Thanks htpt11 - really pooped by whole thing now. I don't want money to be a major factor but husband not so.....Reeds is a delightful school but fees are eye watering. Plus you always have to fund trips etc which adds more cost. I just want DS to be happy. Not too bothered about kudos etc. DD trips have ratcheted up an extra £2000 this year. )-:

Longsuffering2 Thu 06-Feb-14 20:21:53

Actually gleaned an interesting snippet today (can't divulge sources but can state it was solid) for anyone else out there who might be panicking about RGS Common Entrance conditions.....Reeds average CE mark last year was 70% (they require 55) minimum. The highest CE mark received by Reeds was 87%. So, RGS requiring 70% very attainable - and very fair actually.

ballylee Fri 07-Feb-14 01:00:14

You may not be comparing apples to apples Longsuffering -

Reeds talks about "qualifying"papers whereas RGS talks about sitting the 'highest tier" CE in English, French and Maths (Reeds don't mention that they have to be highest tier levels) . Having said that a boy that gets into RGS should be able to achieve 70% at CE as it is an average. I think they set it at that % (it used to be 65%) so prep boys don't simply get complacent and coast for 2 years before they join at 13 after succeeding at the 11+ pre-test .

Reeds say:

Following the Pre-Test offers of a place will be made which will be conditional upon a pass at Common Entrance. We require a minimum of 55% average on the ‘qualifying papers’ – Maths, English, a Modern Foreign Language and Science. A similar quality is expected from the other C.E. papers in Geography, History and R.S.; Latin is optional.

RGS say need 70% average:
Candidates must sit the Highest Tier Common Entrance papers in English, French and Mathematics together with papers in Biology, Chemistry and Physics. The RGS would expect the majority of boys to offer Geography, History and Religious Studies and would welcome Classical Greek, German, Latin and Spanish. Candidates choosing to offer these must sit the Highest Tier papers available.

ballylee Fri 07-Feb-14 01:03:20

glad you've moved on so quickly slideraft and good luck to your boy ...people who succeed in the long run are often those that can bounce back quickly after setbacks, so well done to your DS for that

Longsuffering2 Fri 07-Feb-14 08:52:30

Thanks for raising note of caution on CE papers Ballylee.....the CE papers sat/marked for Reeds are the same papers sat/marked for RGS - this is the case at our Prep, can't comment on others.

Longsuffering2 Sun 09-Feb-14 19:29:12

Sorry.....this is another idle question whilst waiting for the letter........does anyone have a view on the important question of 'encouragement of all' at RGS? Our DS is smart but not Einstein, he thrives on accolades as a bit insecure. Gets lots of these at prep school. Am worried that being a small fish in a very big and clever pond might not be the best. Do RGS only applaud the best? What about your average solid student?

barbour Sun 09-Feb-14 20:34:04

longsuffering2, you are going to have that issue with any highly selective school coming from a non-selective ... a child at top of top set may have to get used to being perhaps half way down but I imagine it's in the school's interest to get the best out of all boys though there will be a large number (half?) who are accelerated in maths and do the IGCSE a year early ...not sure how or when they set the rest of the subjects. Curious to know when and how they start to identify and the "honorary scholars" (eg is it based on end of year exams?) being who those who did not qualify or enter for scholarship at 11+ or 13+ but are subsequently given the scholarship in name but no money and what are the extras that that brings.

Longsuffering2 Sun 09-Feb-14 21:05:12

I do take your point Barbour, but just wonder if some better than others at nurturing all and where RGS stacked up....do we know if only attainment publically applauded or effort also? Was saddened to read older thread of leaver saying her older RGS DS got GCSE 6A* and 4A's but felt very average within the school. Sure, there's got to some nature / nuture at play but being humble comp educated myself, had hoped one thing indie education would give would be a bit of shelf confidence?

Longsuffering2 Sun 09-Feb-14 21:06:47

Sorry...that's 'self-confidence' (without a lisshp!)

barbour Sun 09-Feb-14 21:12:51

hmm...I think that's always the risk with going to any very academically selective school though...feeling average even when in the grand scheme of things, one is not at all...

Ozboz Wed 12-Feb-14 13:18:08

Just to wish you all luck for results (hopefully) this week. I'm watching this thread with a similar decision point next year.

My dilema is - would ds be happy where he was no longer top of the class with increased academic pressure or whether, if he is smart enough to get into RGS, am I short changing him by sending him somewhere where he gets an easier life, still swans about at top of the class but has less academic doors opened.

I still have to persuade him that the football issue is one we could manage outside of school.

barbour Wed 12-Feb-14 13:25:48

I don't know ...there is an argument that if you have a clustered clever cohort of boys around you, where it is cool to be smart ...then "all boats rise"

woodrunner Wed 12-Feb-14 19:21:15

Ozboz, I used to worry that, until my DM pointed out that it was quite good for DC, who were effortlessly top of class in state primary, to need to put some effort into things and still not come top. Confidence is crucial but a bit of humility and the need to knuckle down and really apply yourself are also vital qualities that the brightest might not learn in a less selective school.

Longsuffering2 Wed 12-Feb-14 20:17:06

It's a tricky one Ozboz....to be within a school where DS is king of the castle might be nice, but a bit of a false reality. He will encounter gifted and talented others at some point - university, employment. But then he will glean benefits from being with those folks and raise his own game. I say all this, but a mum's instinct is also to protect.

Ozboz Wed 12-Feb-14 20:59:39

Good points all. He is smart but quite lazy. He likes the adulation of being smart- which is good because it motivates him to stay there, but not enough to come home and do homework without being told.

He is not a genius, unless it is in charming those around him, but he is at the top of his year, he is a fab piano player but only because I insist, not because he loves it (trying to keep his options open in case he doesn't get the England football team job). He was school chess champion even when in year 3 but has given it up because it clashes with football........he doesn't seem to be the boy that everyone describes here. He isn't quirky with thirst for knowledge unless it is about sporting results. He doesn't read unless it is football magazines. But give him a verbal reasoning and he gets 100%. I maybe need to look at quasi academic but with lots of sport schools. I am disappointed that so many eg RGS, Churchers, Lord Wandsworth do not do football. How to motivate a 10 year old boy about schools........

As you all say, at some point he needs to reach a point where he finds life a little bit harder and realises that it so doesn't all come that easy....

nodumbblonde Wed 12-Feb-14 21:34:48

So, do we think THE letters will be posted tomorrow?

Longsuffering2 Thu 13-Feb-14 08:10:47

Yes they are being posted 1st class Thursday. Not much longer - bit grrrr that RGS is one of the first indies to test yet one of the last to dish results. Ozboz my DD couple of years ago was languishing at top of class without breaking a sweat....bit of a loafer at heart and always will be. Decided to put her in GHS at 11+.....first 3 months had melt-down "everyone's amazing, I'm totally crap....blah blah blah". Year and a half on things have settled. She's a solid, middle of the pack student within GHS - not Einstein but certainly has much more to give. Lovely friends. Loves the school. Will always be someone who needs the occasional whip crack. We are all glad that she is where she is. Hope that helps!!

woodrunner Thu 13-Feb-14 18:26:16

Ozboz, sounds to me like your DS would suit Reeds or Hampton, both near RGS but in the direction of London. Both sportier than RGS in many ways. Hampton does football. I know this because it was the decider for the son of a friend of mine. It is a very sporty, academic school. Brilliant in many ways. My DC are a bit geekier by nature so RGS suits them better. But I don't want to give the impression RGS is only geeky. It's..quirky. Lots of the boys are slightly eccentric in an absent minded professor sort of way. But not all. DS1 is rugby mad and was rugby captain. He too used to be a chess champion - all those day-long Megas hmm but gave it up because he preferred to be outdoors, and he is extremely happy at RGS. Thriving there.

woodrunner Thu 13-Feb-14 18:29:03

Longsuffering, I think that's a really helpful, reassuring post about your DD.

It's so easy when they are still at primary to be concerned that they'll shrivel if they are not top dog in the pack. But the truth is, being middle of the range of a really bright class can be the best thing that ever happened to bright but lazy DC. (Not referring to DS2 at all here!) grin

Ozboz Thu 13-Feb-14 19:08:05

Thanks both. Given us something to think about.

barbour Fri 14-Feb-14 11:57:00

Received an offer for (13+) 2016 entry today together with hard copy of excellent new ISI Inspection Report 2014 for RGS.

nodumbblonde Fri 14-Feb-14 12:20:49

Well done to your DS barbour. My DS has an offer of a first first form place and we have some decisions to make...

barbour Fri 14-Feb-14 12:28:19

well done too nodumbblonde, we are lucky in that we have decisions to make over the weekend too! Nice problem to have though....RGS is an excellent school and the new ISI report resoundingly confirms that.

htpt11 Fri 14-Feb-14 14:04:50

Ohh .. Received offers from RGS and Reigate! So glad for my DS. But he quite like an idea of coed school (which is Reigate) and I''m torn between them now..

Has anyone please considered pluses and minus between them? BBC league tables from last year rate them almost identically with Reigate being even a bit stronger..

Footballteacher Fri 14-Feb-14 14:17:54

We got a "No", so well done to all the boys who got through and best wishes for continued academic success !

barbour Fri 14-Feb-14 14:23:03

oh really sorry footballteacher ...brave you you to post a "no" as most don't when that happens....hope your DS succeeds in finding a great school soon. It must be a 'No but try again at 12+' (which leaves some hope) because all the Nos went out early on I thought.

Longsuffering2 Fri 14-Feb-14 15:18:04

Yikes...we got an offer. Very surprised and shell shocked. Footballteacher - genuinely sorry no offer - have faith it will work out elsewhere. Barbour, Htpt and Nodumb - many many congrats! Not a no brainer for us - like Reeds ALOT and DS happiness is a major priority. Nice problem to have I guess. Thinking time.

htpt11 Fri 14-Feb-14 16:11:18

Thank you for your kind support long suffering, It was such a long and painful process and so glad that it's one or the other way over for all of us.

Congratulations to those who passed today and really really sorry for footballteacher, not everyone would share it.. agree.

Footballteacher Fri 14-Feb-14 19:03:09

We have a good comp in our village so no complaints ! I don't agree with only posting success - after all, we were all in it together and I'm pleased for the rest of you - it was certainly an arduous process !

Longsuffering2 Fri 14-Feb-14 20:06:41

Football teacher - i do wish I had a good comp in my village 'cos if I did that's where my 2 would be going. No question. But we don't. )-: your DS will be triumphant!!

barbour Sat 15-Feb-14 06:28:13

what a great attitude footballteacher

longsuffering - isn't it about time you had a change of name now you have an offer smile

Longsuffering2 Sun 16-Feb-14 14:17:33

Would anyone know if there's going to be a chance to get around the school after half term break? We are umming and arring and chance to revisit RGS and others would be good....

surreygoldfish Sun 16-Feb-14 19:26:10

Well done to all your DS who were successful - we had this 2 years in a row which was pretty stressful.
Long suffering- I don't think they do anything formal in that way but I'm sure you could ask. We have DS1 in year 2 and DS2 deferred so will join at 13+. I understand your dilemma, It suits DS1 perfectly - he's a bit quirky - although has also really enjoyed all the sport and the independence of being at senior school. DS2 is more of a 'normal' boy and loves his sport. However I'm comfortable that there are plenty of boys like him there too and there's plenty of sport for those that want to do it. Good luck with the decision making!

Longsuffering2 Tue 18-Feb-14 14:57:56

Thanks Surreygoldfish - we are definitely in the quirky camp, so that sounds good! Hope you don't mind me asking if you have an opinion on 13 year olds being accepted into friendship groups.....? I just worry with DS coming in at 13 v 11 if the main groups of friends are established and therefore unwilling to welcome newcomers. I know that's not a thing to consider but obvs just want DS to settle and be happy.

nodumbblonde Wed 19-Feb-14 21:33:46

We are not quirky. We are sporty and quite straight forward. Would love DS to go to the RGS but the more I hear, the more I think that this is not the school for him. So hard....

barbour Wed 19-Feb-14 21:36:49

just curious...nodumbblonde why you say that...is it because you feel it's not sporty enough?

nodumbblonde Wed 19-Feb-14 21:54:27

Of course RGS excels at sport as it does at so many things but DS has got used to daily sport at his prep and it's a big priority for him. His favourite school is boarding as well as day so would keep up the daily sport and make him v happy. Am aware that I am not comparing like with like, will come down to DS's happiness in the end I think - as it should !

Ozboz Thu 20-Feb-14 13:22:27

Nodumbblonde - I understand where you are coming from. I think he will do best where he is happiest. For our parts we are not looking at boarding schools and so can compensate with out of school clubs etc. still I don't want him feeling like a fish out of water.

tealady Thu 20-Feb-14 17:22:23

Just to reassure you on the 13+ entry longsuffering, my ds joined at 13 and all the 13+ boys are placed in two tutor groups, so they are all newbies together. Then in 4th form the tutor groups are mixed up again. There is no problem with integration. It is a brilliant school and the pastoral care is as good as the academic side. My ds is now a sixth former and I am so happy we made the choice to go to RGS. The teaching is truely excellent and there are plenty of other things on offer as well, eg drama, music, art, sport.

Longsuffering2 Thu 20-Feb-14 20:48:22

Thanks for that reassurance Tealady. Have been doing my 'due diligence' - spoken to 3 RGS mums. Am told that RGS has a real mixed bag of boys - some mega sporty, some not remotely sporty, some geeky, some IT focused but within the classes there is a genuine acceptance of one another and no hierarchy based upon sportiness v non-sportiness. The school seems to have a high achieving but also understated culture, which I have to say, I think sounds lovely. Thought I'd share this info, I hope it rings true with what others have also heard........

tealady Thu 20-Feb-14 22:22:45

Yes - I totally agree that there is a good mix of sporty, geeky, cool types and they can all find their own niche at RGS. I'm not sure if I can easily put this into words but the school itself has a nice 'character' and that somehow rubs off on the boys.

I was worried it would be pushy and overly concerned with results and that my son would be put under too much pressure. Those worries were completely unfounded. They get wonderful results because the teaching/teachers are so good. The homework is fair and reasonable (and much less than my dd gets).

Communication with parents is great, careers and further education advice brilliant. Its a great school!

surreygoldfish Thu 20-Feb-14 23:39:31

Longsuffering- our 13+ DS isn't there yet (joy of CE next year still to go- good to hear that they integrate well. (DS1 opted to go at 11+ but DS2 at 13+.) I completely agree with your last comments - the hierarchy re sports etc doesn't seem to exist. Sport is there for all who want to get involved but it doesn't define the school. DS1 has found it very inclusive. What really comes through is the relationship between teachers and the boys. DS1 is pretty laid back and this hasn't changed so far - he needs to be somewhere where the expectations are high so the environment works well without bring overly pressured.
DS2 is not as quirky (would rather be outside kicking a ball) - and I have worried whether it would be such a good fit for him but I'm comfortable that he'll find his own peer group - there's a good enough mix of 'bright but normal' boys.

Good luck making your decisions.

Longsuffering2 Fri 21-Feb-14 11:44:55

Good luck to you also Surreygoldfish and with CE, which I am sure your DS will do just fine. On the CE requirement, the current RGS mums also said school took a reasonably pragmatic approach....if any papers are seriously below par then you are asked to have another crack at it and then that's normally fine....so stress levels shouldn't go through the roof over this. I have been advised however, that scholarship papers v hard work for small chance of success for the majority. CE will be superb prep for GCSE.

alpha2014 Sun 02-Mar-14 09:54:06

Congratulations to everyone accepted! And good luck to everyone!

Would anyone please know how the wait list goes? I understand that there is ranking on the list and also the school has over offered.

How did it go on previous years? The school would not offer statistics.

Also, is it really a ranked list, or more a pool of candidates? The school did say there is ranking. On other posts I have seen that at other schools the HMs of the current schools (or even the children on the wait list themselves!!) lobby for a place. Is this really an appropriate practice?

Thank you!

nibs777 Sun 02-Mar-14 14:11:59

Certain schools do have a willingness to talk to a head about border line cases or waiting list applicants...especially for 13+ applicants who have sat a pre-test...this is because there is a significant time gap between taking the exam and perhaps in some cases, coming off the waiting list ...I wouldn't call it unfair lobbying as much as the head will be doing what a good head should do ..that is periodically updating the next senior school on any significant achievements (music,drama,sports or academic) in the meanwhile to show how a child has developed over time since they sat the test.

In 11+ cases there may be borderline candidates, where other factors /achievements may weigh in and further input may be given by a head to support his/her initial report.

alpha2014 Tue 04-Mar-14 11:41:32

Thank you, nibs777

Would anybody have more specific information on this school, please?

Should the HM really volunteer the information, or wait for the rgs to request it? and would the additional feedback really matter at this point?

Longsuffering2 Tue 04-Mar-14 13:20:25

Sorry Alpha....sounds like the waitlist process is a little 'off-piste'...I guess the only way with your approach would be to try. Worst that could happen is they set you straight and spell out what's to be done. Good luck!

nibs777 Tue 04-Mar-14 15:44:00

Alpha....rather than speculating, why don't you call RGS Admissions to see if they would be open to more supporting info. from your head ....I don't know how RGS works but some senior schools are open to that kind of discussion on waiting list candidates. There should be no big mystique on these things and they should be able to tell you if it is worth doing that.

alpha2014 Tue 04-Mar-14 15:50:54

Thank you, nibs777. Will try to gather my courage to call...

Longsuffering2 Tue 04-Mar-14 17:33:05

......so for 13+ entry...is that it now for the next 2.5 years? Feels like an anti-climax now after all the build up and the wait on results....don't get me wrong, v.happy but, you know fanfare or champagne reception would be nice!

nibs777 Tue 04-Mar-14 17:37:20

alpha - I sent you a pm....

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