The final push

(41 Posts)
Teddingtonmum1 Mon 16-Dec-13 00:09:34

My DS has 2 entrance exams whitgift & reeds in 4 weeks , he has been working hard but his results on practice papers seems to still be erratic one day he gets 100% the next day its 60%. am planning to stop study over Xmas but will need to resume work w/c 30th as I'm at home for the next 10 days. Am planning to have an intensive 10 days before the exams can anyone advise the best way to tackle it , DS can't do long sessions works better doing short bursts for 30-45 mins is it better to do one day on one subject or mix it up ?

MiniMonty Mon 16-Dec-13 01:31:19

Entrance exams in January ????
Pretty weird...

antimatter Mon 16-Dec-13 01:59:39

I wouldn't at this stage stop for Christmas.
Mixing subjects is ok providing he has breaks.

I would limit screen time. Let him relax with somr physical activity. If you are at home between now and beginning of spring term you can easily do 2 or 3 tests a day. He needs to learn to work with clock and read instructions. Not to spend too much time on each question etc.

Ladymuck Mon 16-Dec-13 08:04:22

Are the papers you are doing of similar standard or are you doing the various sample papers on websites? Ie are you comparing like with like?

For each paper, are you happy that there are no knowledge gaps and that you are simply looking at exam technique and stamina? Don't underestimate the stamina needed for a day's worth of exams, especially as Whitgift have a lengthy essay in there.

basildonbond Mon 16-Dec-13 14:45:12

Minimonty - all the independent 11+ exams are in January confused

OP - you have to strike a balance between keeping them on the boil and overdoing it. Dd is doing two exams in January and will be doing lots of reading (as always), quite a bit of general chilling and dog-walking and a little bit of brushing up any areas in maths and reasoning where she doesn't feel 100% confident. Her school gets the year 6 children to go in on the last Friday of the holiday for a full-scale mock exam - if yours doesn't do a similar thing then maybe you could set that up at home?

JustAnotherUserName Mon 16-Dec-13 14:57:56

I'm planning on stopping doing full papers.

DS knows his maths and grammar by now; or should do and if not its too late. I am confident he won't forget what he does know in the next four weeks or so. Just general chilling, and doing 20 or 30 mins a day over the holidays, so he can remember the basics and a little practice of the more stretching maths questions.

I suppose every DC is different - mine is just completely fed up with all the practice over the last months, its time to rest for the frenzy of activities in January.

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Teddingtonmum1 Tue 17-Dec-13 21:44:50

At the moment we are doing an hour a day , bond, GL, he is weak in VR and English so will have to have a bigger push the week before averaging between 65-85% depending on which part of the day u catch him !!! His strong in Non VR but unfortunately they dont test for at whitgift Have consoled him that theres only 3 weeks to go then its all over and then i start to grow an stomach ulcer through worrying & playing the waiting game got 3 options would be happy with just 1 offer at this rate !!. Got 2 weeks over Xmas so will try and keep up the hour a day then up to an hour am & pm in jan for the last few days but as they say you can't know everything and if he doesn't know it now it's too late !!.... Anyone have any idea on pass mark for whitgift entrance exam ? Admissions advised they will interview a large number of boys who sit the test am guessing they won't bother with the ones who totally flop it but am told the interview can make or break a boy that's borderline luckily ds is confident in an interview and can chat away so no concerns there just got to get him to interviews and hopefully he'll shine otherwise I give up I'm totally exhausted as we've DIY 'ed but on the upside my verbal reasoning has improved roll on march and it's all over ( unless ur on a wait list sad )

basildonbond Tue 17-Dec-13 21:48:15

you're not seriously thinking of sending your son from Teddington to Whitgift each day????

Teddingtonmum1 Tue 17-Dec-13 22:03:10

there is a school bus from Worcester park or Wimbledon or the train to clapham junction then change for south Croydon plus we have family in Croydon or worst ways I could move and rent not sure , will worry about getting the place first !! Wanted weekly boarding but whitgift has such a lot of extra curricular he could easily be kept busy til 5.30pm / 6 pm but we shall see ...

basildonbond Tue 17-Dec-13 22:29:58

it just seems bonkers to me, sorry - don't get me wrong, it's a great school and my ds has been very happy there but no school is worth that kind of journey ...

Teddingtonmum1 Tue 17-Dec-13 22:39:16

Does your ds take the school bus ? I work with someone and they live in hounslow and their daughter used to go to Reading grammar it seems the distances kids are travelling are nuts the admission officer at whitgift said they have someone who commutes from Brighton !!! Am thinking anything over 45 -1 hr is too much ?? What's normal ???

basildonbond Tue 17-Dec-13 22:50:25

no he gets the train - the bus would be hideous as they'd get stuck in traffic both ways and it's not that flexible

the train is easy - but (and it's an enormous but) the train journey is less than 15 minutes and he doesn't have to change

just because other people are making their dc do stupid journeys to go to school doesn't make it any less stupid ... sorry to be blunt but just think of all the good schools he'd be passing, state and private, every single day for 7 years, any one of which would be able to meet his needs just as well as Whitgift or Reeds

dd's doing exams in January - she's exceptionally academic and her current school were pushing for her to sit for SPGS - I vetoed that as the journey for us would be too much for an 11 year old - she's my third and as I said before I have realised that NO school is worth that kind of disruption to your child's life on a daily basis - they would miss so much by having such a long, difficult journey - time, easy socialising with friends, flexibility

Teddingtonmum1 Tue 17-Dec-13 23:32:57

I agree have seen some crazy journeys on mn especially to tiffins etc I even think some of the school buses are a tad early some pick up at 6.55 am !!! I wouldn't do that myself for work everyday let alone a 11 year old but I guess kids must do it or they wouldn't run them.

Ladymuck Wed 18-Dec-13 07:44:09

Do pay close attention to the weekend fixture list too. Whitgift do put a lot of their clubs etc in lunchtime, but sport fixtures are more likely to overrun. If your Ds has contact with his father at weekends then he will need to know what he is being signed up for.

Most local boys find the pace quite gruelling in the autumn term. Adding 2 hours of commuting will not help. As you're aware a key part of the application process is the interview and Whitgift interview parents too. You will need to be prepared to answer the "Why Whitgift?" question.

ll31 Wed 18-Dec-13 07:52:40

Seems like an awful lot of pressure for 11 yr old. Does he want to go there? Are his friends going?

Ladymuck Wed 18-Dec-13 08:05:24

In terms of passmark, if you are after a full fees place then provided you do decently (over 75%) in the VR paper and don't do disgracefully in the others you should get an interview.

basildonbond Wed 18-Dec-13 08:11:14

Ladymuck is spot on - ds was exhausted in the first term if he'd had to cope with a really long journey on top of that it wouldn't have coped. I can guarantee that none of his friends will live anywhere near you so that parties, sleepovers etc will be a logistical nightmare. Plus there are frequent parents evenings, concerts, talks, sports fixtures etc which somehow you'd have to get you and your ds to. My parents live in Teddington, just next to the extremely popular state school you disregarded, so I know just how gruelling that journey can be.

Whitgift is a fantastic school and has been perfect for ds and if you lived closer I certainly wouldn't be trying to put you off but honestly, what you're suggesting is simply not fair for an 11 year old - there must be more suitable alternatives (inc state schools)

MrsSteptoe Wed 18-Dec-13 10:13:16

Not applying to Whitgift, but out of curiosity: are they more interested in the VR score than the maths score? Our tutor has given us the impression that Dulwich at least is primarily interested in the maths (and the NVR, tho I don't think W tests NVR)

Ladymuck Wed 18-Dec-13 11:30:53

Maths is more of a qualitative mark than you might expect as the boys either:-
a) get it all right
b) make some silly mental maths mistakes along the way (of the 5+8=12 sort), but clearly know the maths
c) have gaps in their knowledge (usually space and data (averages) related), but are otherwise sound
d) haven't a clue.

So if a boy gets 65% say, you know he isn't in category a, but you don't know, just from the score, whether he is in b, c or d.

English similarly is qualitative.

The reasoning paper which is usually written externally and is standardised is therefore the one purely quantitative number.

This is where indie markings are very different from the grammar computer-marked process where the score alone matters. Ideally you want a good showing across all the papers, but a good VR score can get you an interview if one of the other papers is weak.

MrsSteptoe Wed 18-Dec-13 11:46:25

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks.

JustAnotherUserName Wed 18-Dec-13 12:00:17

Interesting, but for most Maths:

b - most indies emphasise you must show your working. That will show whether silly mistakes have crept in.

c - most indies tell you that no more than usual KS2 maths is tested, so most DCs will have been prepared for that (even if some schools are lagging and yet to cover it all by january). So I doubt (or am I being naive) that any will not know the full "curriculum" for the test (gaps having been filled by parents or tutors).

d - won't get anywhere near 65%!

JustAnotherUserName Wed 18-Dec-13 12:06:38

Out of interest, LadyMuck, did you pick 65% at random (or is that a "passmark" for a school like Whitgift - which my DS is sitting, as it happens?)

Ladymuck Wed 18-Dec-13 12:31:17

The point I'm trying to make is that there isn't a "passmark" as such for maths. There are plenty of boys at Whitgift who scored less than 50% in either English or Maths (but not both, and with a decent reasoning score). 65% was plucked out of the air as the highest mark I could think of that someone scoring below average in reasoning might achieve in maths.

Ladymuck Wed 18-Dec-13 12:36:25

And as for being naive, in terms of standards, Whitgift have an extensive primary schools outreach, and an incredibly generous bursary scheme. There will be children sitting the exam who are incredibly underprepared compared with most MNers. It may be worth preparing your son for this, as it was clear some boys had never sat that sort of exam before (eg would ask the teacher to explain the questions to them etc). It is not only the brightest kids who sit.

GinAndIt Wed 18-Dec-13 12:46:54

Also bear in mind that the school bus only works to get boys in for ding dong. If you have before-school commitments (eg swimming, etc) then the bus is no good. And don't even talk to me about getting up and out in time for Saturday morning sports (and we live nearby!) grin

It's a fab school. Just possibly not fab enough to justify a long or complex commute. The boys are shattered, even those who live with an easy distance. If your heart is set on it I would seriously recommend moving nearer.

Teddingtonmum1 Wed 18-Dec-13 12:55:32

Hi
Whitgift unfortunately don't test NVR which despite just starting for the first time oct DS seems to have picked up quite easily just our luck !!.
Am still in court as some mn may know with ex as he doesn't want DS to weekly board hence seeing whitgift which is nearer to his father so could share parenting but his totally unreliable so have to have a back up as he says a lot but does very little , am looking to move from my flat next summer ( 2 bed in outstanding Collis primary school catchment if anyone is looking !!) so may have to rent in Croydon til he settles in or boards at 13. who knows everything is so up in the air which is driving me INSANE . unable to plan for anything at the moment ... will keep plugging away only a few more weeks to go am taking DS lap top shopping on Friday for his Xmas pressie so that should give him a boost . Hopefully !!.....

JustAnotherUserName Wed 18-Dec-13 12:56:19

LadyMuck - thanks. Hadn't thought of that. You are right of course. (We have prepared him ...)

Teddingtonmum1 Wed 18-Dec-13 12:58:12

Ginandit

Yes when I done the open day the boy who was showing me round said he gets to school by 7am 3 days a week for conditioning sessions for rugby. DS isn't very sporty but think that might change if he gets a place !!!

GinAndIt Wed 18-Dec-13 12:58:39

It sounds like a really difficult situation, OP - hope you get the result you want (and is best for ds of course!)

Teddingtonmum1 Wed 18-Dec-13 13:04:08

Ginandit
To be honest I've had enough already filling out forms headmasters interviews at reeds last week ( think it went ok but you never know !!) just be glad to get to march with 1 offer. if we get anymore ill have another meltdown at least if you only get 1 there's no choosing ...

GinAndIt Wed 18-Dec-13 13:04:36

Sorry, cross-posted!

Yes, that sort of early start isn't unusual if boys make it into one of the top teams. Even if he's not sporty the school will find a way to get him there 6 days out of 7 wink...

Don't get me wrong, ds loves it to bits, but please don't underestimate the level of commitment (and therefore to-ing and fro-ing from school) that's expected.

Anyway, back to your original question - fwiw, I think we carried on throughout Xmas but at a lower, more casual level. I was of the opinion that what ds didn't know by mid-Dec he wasn't going to know, but we just kept things ticking over, half an hour at a time. Best of luck.

mary21 Wed 18-Dec-13 15:52:11

Does the x26 go anywhere near whitgift? Boys from Teddington use it to get to Sutton grammar. If is does try a rush hour trip to see how long it takes

Teddingtonmum1 Wed 18-Dec-13 17:42:14

It does go to croydon but I think it would take ages DS sat Sutton but didn't get past the first round but it would have been the only wanttogetgoing there will have a look.

antimatter Wed 18-Dec-13 18:42:47

x26 doesn'g near whitgift
he would need another bus to get there, it would make it too far

Teddingtonmum1 Wed 18-Dec-13 19:20:11

Yep just had a look it stops at wallington then east croydon but takes about 50 mins as it only makes about 10 /15 stops might be easier than the train would have to do a dry run IF he got a place of course !!!

Teddingtonmum1 Fri 20-Dec-13 00:08:32

Ginandit I hope you don't mind me asking but did you get a bursary ?

antimatter Fri 20-Dec-13 00:32:57

50 min at night not in the traffic. You need to double that time.

makemelaugh Fri 27-Dec-13 15:41:16

Re long journeys...I recently read a study about how much sleep teenagers really need. Apparently they need more than adults and more than many children and they never get it. The result is underachieving, grumpiness, lack of concentration, mood swings, lower stamina, etc. On top of that, think about secondary school.... Time spent travelling is - with exceptions - time they could've spent doing homework, activities, resting or sharing quality time with you. They will also want to stay in school for clubs, sports, rehearsals, library... They will want to go to a friend's house, have that friend around to their house... Think about having to pick up when ill, or after a late activity, or attend parents evening, events, sports fixtures... I have been to DS school at least 15 times already just in one term!
Just saying... Because someone gave me very good advice re distances last year when we were choosing schools and I am so grateful for it! And so glad I listened!

havinganightmare Fri 27-Dec-13 19:13:06

DS gets Wimbledon bus to Whitgift. Nearly killed us all the early start the first two terms but one year on we are seasoned pros at the 6am start for the 7am bus which is a hair raising 5 minutes race in the car! He is learning to manage his commitments with homework and clubs so that he hasn't too much in the evenings once home - and that makes a huge difference The problem is weekly fixtures when he misses the bus home but we are juggling that pretty well too. And of course Saturday fixtures..... Great school and definitely worth our journey - but adding on the extra time from Teddington is questionable. What about Hampton?! Good luck with it!

Teddingtonmum1 Sun 29-Dec-13 17:48:03

Hi havinga nightmare

Have resolved myself if he gets a place I will move, as from teddington at 11 would be impossible there is the bus from new Malden but I doubt if I want years of having to get up at 5.30 am .

Ginandit
Did try and pm you back keeps kicking me out will try again !!

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