School refusing to tell DS his GCSE Results

(64 Posts)
LocalSchoolMum Sat 24-Aug-13 07:10:30

My DS took 2 GCSEs this summer in Year 10: Maths and Biology. I think that the school put most off Year 10 in for the Maths GCSE, going back on an earlier promise to only make them take it when they were ready to get the best mark they could get.

When we went to ask for his results on Friday, they said that they intended to give them out on the 1st day of next term - 9th September. Does anyone know whether other schools do this?

I thought it was pretty barbaric.

englishteacher78 Sat 24-Aug-13 07:28:22

We give them out to those prepared to come in at 1:30 on results day (which is Thursday) when there are teachers available to explain and help if necessary. As they know these results aren't as important as they can re-sit most don't bother and wait until the first day back.

exoticfruits Sat 24-Aug-13 07:50:38

Why didn't you go on results day?

mysteryfairy Sat 24-Aug-13 08:27:00

My DS school did this for the 1 GCSE he took in Y9. He took 4 in Y10 and was able to pick those up on results day, an hour after the Y11s went in.

You could submit a data subject access request making it clear that you want all data on him which will be a total pain for the school to gather but say that if they can provide just the GCSE result immediately you won't pursue this.

TBH though with the one result in Y9 we didn't have a problem with waiting.

noblegiraffe Sat 24-Aug-13 08:47:05

You might have had luck if you'd gone in on results day when teachers are in. If they gave them out to parents who just rock up to school on any old day you can guarantee there'd be a steady stream of kids over the next few days also wanting to know what they got. As teachers are on holiday and if they are in school it's because they have got a billion things to sort before term starts, this would be a complete pain in the arse.

noblegiraffe Sat 24-Aug-13 08:48:35

Oh and a data access request doesn't need to be fulfilled immediately so you wouldn't get the results any sooner. School is closed, teachers are on holiday.

Groovee Sat 24-Aug-13 08:50:36

Why didn't you go on Thursday?

ShipwreckedAndComatose Sat 24-Aug-13 08:56:18

yes, this is exactly what we do if the results were not collected on results day.

IamFluffy Sat 24-Aug-13 09:01:24

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

LocalSchoolMum Sat 24-Aug-13 09:05:39

I or DS would have gone on results day, but DS was on a course all week and I work full time, so we asked DP to go. He rang the school on results day and asked whether it was ok to go on Friday instead. They said yes on the phone. When he rolled up on Friday they asked if DS was in Year 10, if so he isn't allowed his results until next term. It isn't about which day you go in, it's about Year 10 sharing their results all together on the first day of term.

IamFluffy Sat 24-Aug-13 09:09:11

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

englishteacher78 Sat 24-Aug-13 09:11:36

I still don't understand why the result wasn't collected on results day. There will probably be loads of year 10s without results. When I've had year 10 forms (4 times now) very few of them have bothered collecting them before the start of term.

LocalSchoolMum Sat 24-Aug-13 09:12:36

Is there a general feeling among teachers that Year 10 results don't matter and you can just resit them in Year 11?

If so, that is extraordinarily cruel. Any public exam that you sit is important to the person who sat it, if they've worked hard for it. That attitude tells you more about teachers worrying about their league tables rather than how the kids feel.

mysteryfairy Sat 24-Aug-13 09:13:09

The DSA idea is not that this will provide the results quicker but that the schools eagerness to avoid the work of fulfilling in full a DSA will lead to them capitulating over the results alone and release them to a faster timescale. I've seen this work before in a similar situation.

My dd just finished year 10 and they all went in on results day to collect their English and science results.

If you couldn't make Thursday you had to wait until the first day of term, or arrange in advance to have them posted.

No, I don't think our school took the yr 10 GCSE less seriously, they don't paticularly want the students to re sit, they want them to get get good results this year.

englishteacher78 Sat 24-Aug-13 09:16:30

If it was so important why wasn't the result collected on results day? You can ask to have the results posted I believe if you know you are going to be away. The results do matter to teachers BUT we're on holiday at the moment. Many of us give up our time to come in on results day and beyond to help students and the priority goes to years 11 and 13. We have students who need to reconsider their A-Level and Uni options. When term starts ALL the teachers will be in and can give your DC any support or advice they need.

TSSDNCOP Sat 24-Aug-13 09:19:12

I don't think you can take the attitude that teachers everywhere think like that, yet not one of the three of you turned up on results day or bothered to find out in advance what the school policy was.

Hope DS passes his exam.

TheFallenMadonna Sat 24-Aug-13 09:19:24

Our exams officer, if she was in, would have given your son his results on the Friday. Most of our year 10s picked their results up on Thursday. Of course they're important to them. And re-sitting is a big deal now - no individual modules. However,only the exams officer or deputy head would hand out results. If they weren't there, you wouldn;t get them.

christinarossetti Sat 24-Aug-13 09:21:27

I think it's pragmatic rather than cruel, tbh. Of course exam results are important to the person who sat them but there is a reality that y11 are 'more important' I'm terms of children being able to confirm or not further study courses etc.

You don't say much about your ds how does he feel about having to wait another week or so? I guess if he really wanted to get the result on the day he could have nipped out of his course?

christinarossetti Sat 24-Aug-13 09:25:37

I'm sorry but saying the teachers at the school are being 'extraordinarily cruel' is horrible.

Neither you nor your sh nor your ds were there to puck up these results which really matter to you. I don't understand why you think the school is at fault. You have to wait less than a fortnight, that's all.

SPBisResisting Sat 24-Aug-13 09:27:31

the OP has explained a couple of times now why the results weren't collected on results day - her DP rang and asked if he could collect on Friday - was told yes. Was then told no on Friday itself. Presumably if he'd been told no on the phone he'd have gone in.

englishteacher78 Sat 24-Aug-13 09:28:45

But why didn't DP just collect them on results day?

englishteacher78 Sat 24-Aug-13 09:29:43

My school wouldn't have given them to someone they didn't know was collecting them. Another person collecting your results needs to be agreed in advance in writing/email

SPBisResisting Sat 24-Aug-13 09:31:25

because he was told he could collect them on Friday instead!
I don't know why he wanted Friday, is it relevant?

ProphetOfDoom Sat 24-Aug-13 09:32:24

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

englishteacher78 Sat 24-Aug-13 09:33:46

Potentially, I would be angry with the person I'd asked to collect the results not collecting them when asked.

camptownraces Sat 24-Aug-13 09:34:51

If neither the candidate nor the parent could take time out of their busy schedules to come in to collect the result on the appointed day, at the appointed time, why would you expect the school to rearrange the busy schedules of their staff?

And yes, their staff are incredibly busy at the moment arranging a whole year's new work, don 't for a moment imagine the staff are on holiday.

flipchart Sat 24-Aug-13 09:37:30

Barbaric? extraordinary cruel?
Get a fucking grip!
Annoying maybe

SPBisResisting Sat 24-Aug-13 09:48:02

camp, because the asked and the school said yes
if she was on here ranting because they'd said no I'd be saying YABU, but they said yes then said no when it was too late
Am I the only person who sees that?

TheFallenMadonna Sat 24-Aug-13 09:50:40

Nope- I'd be annoyed too, with the misinformation.

christinarossetti Sat 24-Aug-13 09:54:47

No we've all got that there was some misinformation (although it's not clear if sh specified he wanted to pick up Y10 results).

Being a bit annoyed - yep fine got you.

Calling if barbaric and extraordinarily cry - workers over reaction.

Still no idea ager OP's ds minds or not.

christinarossetti Sat 24-Aug-13 09:55:16

Bonkers over reaction I meant to say.

Ponders Sat 24-Aug-13 09:59:21

Maybe the DP is fibbing & forgot to go on Thu so made up the phone call...

I'd be surprised if a school would tell a random parent on the phone they could stroll in for something like this without pre-arrangement; & anyway it does make much more sense for them all to be handed out together in the new term.

I collected DS2's GCSE results because he was away but I had to give the school his written consent beforehand

NoComet Sat 24-Aug-13 10:16:28

Science didn't even bother to tell them when the y10 core science marks would be available.

However, when I looked on the online reporing system that said 6am on the 23 and they were there at 6.45 when I happened to wake up.

The exam office are far more in the ball than the science dept. which is just as well or some people wouldn't be in the right places at the right time.

NoComet Sat 24-Aug-13 10:49:27

I'm with the OP it's damned disrespectful in this E world not to put the results on the school distance learning system or email them.

DCs work way harder than we did and deserve a weeks holiday not thinking about results.

OPs DS can't help thinking about them as results are all over the news

englishteacher78 Sat 24-Aug-13 11:01:12

There were available though. They weren't collected.

NoComet Sat 24-Aug-13 11:47:24

The OPs DH asked if he could go on Friday, this definitely the school being unnecessarily shitty for the effort of sending one Email. Totally disrespectful of the work the DCs put in.

nennypops Sat 24-Aug-13 12:35:49

Many of us give up our time to come in on results day

I wouldn't view this as giving up my time. We are after all paid throughout the holidays.

Cerisier Sat 24-Aug-13 12:36:22

Our school has an e-portal where results are posted up for students. You log on and can see your results from anywhere in the world.

It seems strange in this day and age that some students have to go into school or wait for the post to get their results. You would have thought things would have moved on for everybody by now.

OP if the school really did say that to DH then that is not good. However it was a shame he couldn't go in on the appointed day.

LoopyLoopyLoopy Sat 24-Aug-13 12:40:30

No, nanny, teachers are not paid for the holidays.

LoopyLoopyLoopy Sat 24-Aug-13 12:40:56

nenny

englishteacher78 Sat 24-Aug-13 12:45:35

Indeed we're not. We're paid for what we work but it is spread over the full 12 months.

Chopchopbusybusy Sat 24-Aug-13 12:48:19

Barbaric? Extraordinarily cruel? Disrespectful? Massive overreaction. Year 10 results can wait.

noblegiraffe Sat 24-Aug-13 12:51:32

Yes, if we were paid for the holidays we could be told to come in on results day, instead of just asking for volunteers! It's not directed time.

glaurung Sat 24-Aug-13 13:10:32

dd's school didn't give the yr 10s their module results (they didn't do any full GCSEs) until they went back. Then the subject teachers wanted to give the results out in class so they had to wait until the right lesson came up in the timetable (which took one over the next weekend) before getting them. Annoying (especially when wondering if resits might be required), but not the end of the world. They've waited 2 months already so another couple of weeks doesn't make that much difference.

ravenAK Sat 24-Aug-13 13:14:05

Also, lots of schools make a big hoohah of giving out year 10 results all together. It focuses the minds of the less motivated - which is intended to engender a more serious approach to year 11 study.

Yes, a minor cock up was made by whoever told OP's dh that he could collect the result on Friday, but 'cruel teachers' is somewhat hyperbolic!

& yes, we are on holiday & don't get paid to go in & give out results.

NoComet Sat 24-Aug-13 14:24:00

DD put in a huge amount of work for her science GCSE, I'm glad that school respected that and put Y10 marks up on the e-portal, as I'm sure they have the Y11-13's.

For her it's vital to her future to get good science marks and she both wanted to know and know in private!

Lomaamina Sat 24-Aug-13 14:31:10

I sympathise OP. My DS Year 10 was able to see his lone GCSE result on the online system. Maybe you should push for this to be available in time for next year?

goingmadinthecountry Sun 25-Aug-13 00:09:36

If your hairdressing appointment is on Thursday that's when you go in. Don 't expect to get your hair cut on Friday. How much does your son's education matter? Teachers aren't required to come into school in the holidays at all. Tough - you messed up.

SPBisResisting Sun 25-Aug-13 07:12:51

Unless of course you ring up and change your hairdressing appointment to friday a d get told thishhas been done for you.

WorrySighWorrySigh Sun 25-Aug-13 22:50:54

It wasnt possible for anyone to collect results on Thursday
DP asked to collect results on Friday
DP was told 'okay to collect results on Friday'
DP went in to collect results on Friday and was told 'no, wait until start of term'

This is poor communication by the school. The school owes OP's DS an apology for poor communication.

For external exams the school is acting as an exam centre. It isnt 'their' information. It is the information of the examining body and the OP's DS. They should not be withholding information when they had agreed to pass it on.

WorrySighWorrySigh Sun 25-Aug-13 22:55:50

There was obviously somebody in the school. How hard is it to look through a box of brown envelopes, check the name and hand the right one over?

It wasnt like the results had to be hand illuminated on vellum!

happygardening Sun 25-Aug-13 23:12:50

This picking up results thing drives me mad. DS1 yr 11 (state comp) had to go and get his we've moved apparently they cant be emailed or accessed electronically for a reason completely beyond me. DS2 independent boarding yr 10 logged onto school system at 8 am and there they were no teachers required to come in on their precious holiday. DS1's state school won't even tell me the results it's "confidential information" but apparently it's not confidential in the independent sector I could log onto the same system as DS2 st 8 30am and see his results.
IME a yr 10 child is as anxious to know his results as a yr 11 child after all they've put the same effort in why should they be expected to wait.

FannyMcNally Sun 25-Aug-13 23:13:22

Why does a year 10 student need their results in the middle of August? They've waited for months so another 2 weeks won't make any difference. The other years have decisions to make before term starts.

WorrySighWorrySigh Sun 25-Aug-13 23:20:42

It doesnt really matter when the results are released so long as they are released when they are promised. It is extremely unfair and unprofessional to mess students around like this.

englishteacher78 Mon 26-Aug-13 03:05:06

Yes, miscommunication from school but possible from DP as well. Schools do not release exam data to just anyone. To give results to someone other than the candidate, it must be pre-agreed in writing/email and that person must bring ID. I think there must also have been some misunderstanding.
As I said up thread I would be angry with someone who agreed to pick up these important results on the day and then didn't.

cumfy Mon 26-Aug-13 13:12:39

Many of us give up our time to come in on results day

Surely it will be covered by Terms and Conditions of your contract ?:

Teachers are also required to be available “to perform such duties at such times and such places as may be specified by the head teacher” … for 1265 hours in any year, “those hours to be allocated reasonably throughout those days in the year on which the teacher is required to be available for work.”

englishteacher78 Mon 26-Aug-13 13:15:45

It is not a required part of a teacher's duties to come in on results day. It is up to the individual teacher. I have always gone in so I am there for my students.
The holidays are not part of our directed time so the head does not tell us what to do in our holiday time.

ShipwreckedAndComatose Mon 26-Aug-13 13:16:24

Yes. But we are not 'required to be available for work' at any other time except those within the term times specified by the county/school.

So results day is entirely voluntary

WorrySighWorrySigh Mon 26-Aug-13 13:29:49

Why does it need to be a teacher? IME results are handed out by the examinations office team. For them I would expect being in school once results come out isnt voluntary but is part of their normal service.

Ponders Mon 26-Aug-13 23:39:18

when I collected DS2's GCSEs in his absence, on GCSE results day, the place was swarming with actual teachers, who were doing the handing out of the results sheets

exam office deal with the admin but it seems to be teachers who talk to the students on the day (because they have a better idea than exam office people of what the consequences of unexpected results may be?)

2rebecca Tue 27-Aug-13 08:16:44

Do you not get them posted any more? My kids are in the Scottish system and get texted or emailed their results with a copy arriving in the post the same day. When i did my o levels in the 80s i got posted the results.
Seems odd some schools insist on a trip up to the school to collect them. Does it vary with exam boards in England? It all sounds very archaic.

englishteacher78 Tue 27-Aug-13 09:04:24

The students tend to like the results collection day. Even though they tend to know their grades in A level but still turn up to see everyone and get support etc.
A letter goes out to students before study leave explaining the procedure and asking them if they'll want the results posted or collected by someone else. If so, it's agreed in advance.
Particularly with A levels the postal system could result in missing university places through clearing. Of course, the way in which people apply to university before their results is a whole other question.

ShipwreckedAndComatose Tue 27-Aug-13 09:12:17

Yes, the postal system would mean the results getting there the day after. Personal collection on the day they are released is quicker and means you can talk to staff if things have not gone to plan

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