Mumsnet poll needed. If you had a year 7 child...

(58 Posts)
seeker Fri 15-Mar-13 18:10:46

would you take him out of school for a week in June to go to a Tall Ships Festival in Rouen with his dad? Staying on a tall ship that's part of the festival- helping to manage the ship, show visitors round- and seeing Madness would, wouldn't you? Even if you are massively against holidays in school time?

pansyflimflam Fri 15-Mar-13 18:11:34

Yes without a backward glance.

BooksandaCuppa Fri 15-Mar-13 18:11:58


Notquite Fri 15-Mar-13 18:11:58

God yes. Highly educational.

BooksandaCuppa Fri 15-Mar-13 18:13:05

And I would already have my request for absence formulated: ask for it to be put down as 'educated offsite'.

BooksandaCuppa Fri 15-Mar-13 18:13:39

(except the Madness bit).

YellowAndGreenAndRedAndBlue Fri 15-Mar-13 18:14:24

Yes, not a thing a child would experience in a week at school would compare to an amazing learning experience like that.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

BooksandaCuppa Fri 15-Mar-13 18:14:59

This, I feel certain, would be approved at my school.

fieldfare Fri 15-Mar-13 18:15:11


Niceweather Fri 15-Mar-13 18:24:01

Yes, say that it's a "once in a lifetime opportunity". This is a circumstance that they should approve.

sandyballs Fri 15-Mar-13 18:26:16

Definitely as long as he isn't struggling at school or behind.

BrianButterfield Fri 15-Mar-13 18:30:25

I'm a teacher and I'd be OK with that - much better than the crap most kids get taken out for. As long as you train him not to say "but I was awaaaaay for that" for the next three weeks as it's very annoying.

No wink
But I might take him out to spend a week
Practicing his foreign language skills
Learning about social, economic and maritime history
Studying the Hundred Years War and the story of Joan of Arc
Polishing his public speaking and presentation skills

lljkk Fri 15-Mar-13 18:48:54


seeker Fri 15-Mar-13 18:53:56

Ooh- I'm getting excited for him now- he's going to have such a fab time......!!!!!

Sounds very cool.

Can he invite another yr 7 who he doesn't know and that year 7s mother? Sounds brilliant.

Erebus Fri 15-Mar-13 19:00:10

Yes, but you'd need to make public apology to everyone you'd vilified as feckless, irresponsible parents when they took DC out of school on holiday. And recognising that your OP was written in a biased, how could anyone deny their child this wonderful, educational experience? way.

And do try to reign in the hypocrisy in future! Many of us, yes, me included, should ponder that!

Sorry, being a bit 'heavy' on a Friday night but it is something to bear in mind. Hope DS has a wonderful and educational experience grin

insancerre Fri 15-Mar-13 19:02:20

of course

poppydoppy Fri 15-Mar-13 19:05:53

I sure would. These are memories that will last a lifetime. I hope he has a great time.

Talkinpeace Fri 15-Mar-13 19:23:49

Get him to take pictures, write a diary and get everybody in the class a small pressie and

I took mine to Germany for a week when they were in Primary (DH working there)
We brought back our pictures of Hamelin and the teacher had a ready made topic for the week!!

I also took mine out of school for a family funeral overseas and again they took back enough info to make a topic of it so school cared not a jot.

Disney on the other hand biscuit

DameFanny Fri 15-Mar-13 19:27:40

Hell yes. Room for a year 4 and his mother?

JourneyThroughLife Fri 15-Mar-13 19:33:18

Yes, I'd take him out without question, if the school weren't keen I wouldn't be asking, I'd be telling them he was going.....

FlatsInDagenham Fri 15-Mar-13 19:35:07

Yes - he'll learn far more than he would in that same week at school.

timidviper Fri 15-Mar-13 19:41:21

Yes. Some friends of ours took DS to Egypt with them and their DS and, as the boys were at different schools with different half terms we had to ask for time off. We just told the school the plans of where they would visit and that they would also have some sports coaching while there (just making clear it was not a beach holiday). Got a nice letter from the head saying he was very envious!

Blu Fri 15-Mar-13 19:47:28


Tall ships, how exciting.

seeker Fri 15-Mar-13 20:07:43

Erebus- I would be happy to. If I had ever "vilified as feckless" anyone in even remotely similar circumstances.

teacherandguideleader Sat 16-Mar-13 08:01:39

That's not a holiday, it is an educational experience. Through managing the ship he will learn about how the ship operates, and will also develop team work skills. Showing visitors around will help develop communication skills (presumably some may not speak English so he will have 'barriers of communication' to take into consideration). This will also enable him to develop leadership skills. Does he do French at school? He will also get the opportunity to practice his French skills, and learn a lot of history and maybe geography.


Takver Sat 16-Mar-13 11:14:51

I would be surprised if the school wouldn't ok it. DD is in Sea Cadets, several of the older cadets (in yr 7 / 8) went for a week on a training ship in term time, & it was definitely fine with the schools, I remember talking to a couple of the parents about it.

wheresthebeach Sat 16-Mar-13 12:35:31


adeucalione Sat 16-Mar-13 14:41:00

Without any hesitation at all, and our school would probably approve it too.

morethanpotatoprints Sat 16-Mar-13 14:44:08

Like a shot, can we come too please. Far more educational than school
Go for it!

Startail Sat 16-Mar-13 14:46:32


TheOriginalSteamingNit Sat 16-Mar-13 14:46:41

Well no, but then I have no interest in tall ships! If it was a passion of hers and a once in a lifetime thing.... I still don't know tbh!

AtiaoftheJulii Sat 16-Mar-13 17:53:46

I guess if I were massively against holidays in term time I might wonder why I thought my kids were more entitled to one than others hmm

But personally I don't really give a shit about such things - my y7 has just had 6 days off sick and he seems to be doing ok - so I'd go for it smile

bulletpoint Sat 16-Mar-13 18:01:17

No i wouldnt.

seeker Sat 16-Mar-13 18:05:16

Oh god...............sad

ReluctantBeing Sat 16-Mar-13 18:13:39

Yes. And I'm a teacher.

TheFallenMadonna Sat 16-Mar-13 18:25:43

Personally, I don't have much beef with a year 7 having a week off (mine won't because I'm a teacher), but this is essentially a really fab holiday in term time, and setting it in contrast with other less worthy holidays is not great.

If it were my DS, I'd absolutely send him. And perhaps limit my objections to exam years.

seeker Sat 16-Mar-13 18:28:10

I suppose there is the fact that the festival is happening then, not in the school holidays, so it's go in school time or not go at all. Oh, I don't know........!

BOF Sat 16-Mar-13 18:30:15

I'm surprised you are doubting yourself, it sounds like a no-brainer to me.

slipshodsibyl Sat 16-Mar-13 18:31:55

I was just about to type what BOF said. Why do you need to ask? You know it's the right thing to do.

noblegiraffe Sat 16-Mar-13 18:35:43

Why not ask, and if the school say yes your conscience is clear. If they say no, then would you send him unauthorised?

He may have exams in June though?

EverythingInMjiniature Sat 16-Mar-13 18:44:06

I disagree with madonna, yes it's a holiday but its a working holiday where you're DS is actively learning things he couldn't in holiday time, and not because its more expensive etc

tiggytape Sat 16-Mar-13 18:45:48

Our school has exams in June so it would be a no. The exams are used to inform levels and tweak the sets for certain subjects so are pretty important to the school but also to the pupils.

seeker Sat 16-Mar-13 18:56:27

I'm doubting myself because people are saying that it's just the same as any other term time holiday. I genuinely thought it wasn't.......

TheFallenMadonna Sat 16-Mar-13 19:03:11

Of course it's not. It's a fab opportunity for your very fortunate son. But... a holiday away with family is pretty fab for quite a lot if the considerably less fortunate children I teach. As rare an occurrence. Wonderful for them.

He should go. It is indeed a no brainer. I just think you could perhaps allow some shades of grey into your position on the back of it.

Wolfiefan Sat 16-Mar-13 19:04:12

I am a teacher and believe holidays shouldn't be taken in term time except in truly unusual circumstances.
But... This sounds like a once in a lifetime experience. I'd do it! I doubt Y7 exams couldn't be sat just before you went or on return. (They are not set by an external board.) Tell teachers what he'll do when away (research food, try new language skills, learn about local geography/history or they could set a piece of work if they REALLY felt the need!

BOF Sat 16-Mar-13 19:07:03

I'd have the courage of your convictions- it's not a week in Majorca etc, is it?

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

radicalsubstitution Sat 16-Mar-13 19:19:58

I don't see that it's particularly different from any other term time holiday.

Then again, I don't see why a child with a good attitude to learning and good attendance/punctuality should not be granted a term-time holiday on occasion.

I hate the fact that head teachers have had their 'discretion' taken away from them by politicians/civil servants.

I trust that OP is already well aware of assessment dates and other vital 'stuff' at school during that period.

I would, without any shadow of a doubt, go for it! It sounds like a fabulous opportunity. I would, however, not ask DS' teachers to sort out school work for him to 'do' while he is away (not sure if you were thinking of doing that).

radicalsubstitution Sat 16-Mar-13 19:32:52

I have also moaned many times on these threads about the 'educational' value of some 'educational visits' that pupils take part in. Most are very good, but I question whether any educational visit to Thorpe Park is much more than a day out. It annoys me some headteachers will refuse all term-time holidays as a matter of course and yet allow 'educational' trips to Disneyland Paris'.

Blu Sun 17-Mar-13 16:34:16

I wouldn't take DS out of school for a holiday of the kind we take (a typical mix of relaxing leisure activities....beach, day at zoo, day at historical sort of place, a few walks) but I would for a one-off opportunity for an activity from which he would gain things in terms of personal development and education. I would take him out for the trip you describe, no question.

I took DS out of school for a day trip to CERN, but never for any other holiday. I think there is a difference. It isn't about being entitled or more worthy.

YellowandGreenandRedandBlue Sun 17-Mar-13 17:16:28

He is your child, stick with your own opinion, if you think this is a good opportunity, go for it.

I don't get why you care what others think really?

lottieandmia Sun 17-Mar-13 17:18:39

yes, I would!

Arcticwaffle Sun 17-Mar-13 17:20:55

Yes, I would. But I'm not particularly against term time holidays, we only don't take them because we both work and it would mean we'd have to pay more holiday childcare/organise more holiday entertainment, so it wouldn't actually save us any money.

Loshad Sun 17-Mar-13 17:26:54

Yes as a teacher i would be happy with a y7 taken out for that reason, i do think he will learn a lot, and yes i do think it sounds a lot more educationally valid than a week on a beach in Ibiza. (In general against term time holidays btw).

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