decision on 1st March? Anyone want to sit and sweat it out with me?(418 Posts)
Urgh I am starting to feel queasy. I just want to know now. PFB (dd1) doesn't care which school she gets into and dh is being irritatingly pragmatic.
Is anyone else twitching nervously?
Nope - there is a massive chance chez ByTheWay1 that the first choice will be given.... her sister goes there, it is in catchment and her birth year locally is soooooo low that her current class has 20 in - and it is the same at the 6 other feeder schools.... will be a BIG shock if she doesn't get in.....
so not twitching, but available to hand hold and soothe worried brows..... can supply (virtual) lemon drizzle cake too!
I don't envy you at all. We were at this stage last year and will be again in a four more years for DD. Just hang on in there and don't panic. I know it's easy to say, but it's worth remembering that even if you don't get your first choice school, there's an awful lot of movement in the first month and if you hang on in there you will probably get the outcome you are hoping for! .
To be fair we are lucky in thay we have 2 great schools and a good one as our 3 nearest schools. Our first choice is an academy though so it is a lottery and distance doesn't matter within our LEA. Second choice we are borderline for getting in based on the last 2 years furthest distance. Third one is farthest away and all 3 are massively oversubscribed I keep worrying that we will get offered one of the 2 next nearest which are both AWFUL
I'm counting down the days! DD is quite cool and calm about it and DH is so laid back about it all he's almost horizontal lol. Just so nervous she won't get her first choice and its where she really wants to go! Next 13 days are really going to dddddrrrrrraaaaaagggggg!
Agree with gazzalw - I was waiting this time last year but we had a terrible outcome on March 1st - no offer made at all as all local schools were oversubscribed including the ones we didn't list. We were one of several hundred families in London to get no place. I
sobbed fretted pretty much for 2 months and then DS got a place off the waiting list at a school which has been brilliant and we're really happy with.
I'm not trying to scare you all witless honest! Just to reassure you that the chances are you'll get a school on March 1st that you're totally happy with and that will be the end of it. But, if you don't, it isn't the end of the process at all. The lists move relatively quickly (but not for the first two weeks) and places at excellent schools can and do become available.
Of course though, it is much nicer if you know you have a safe bet and March 1st isn't too much of an ordeal.
I'm a nervous wreck waiting, but Mankyboy1 couldn't care less, and isn't bothered which school he is going to.
My DD1 passed the Kent Test and the GS that is our first choice own test but it'll come down to distance for us so its 50/50 for us. DD1 is quite cool about it and is very much 'I'm happy with getting any of the choices' but she also said she didn't mind either way about the Kent Test and danced all round the kitchen when we got the result that she had passed!! Think shes being brave for me lol
we have a low birth year so pretty likely to get our first choice, our second choice isn't bad and I'm still waiting on a bursary appeal from a v selective indie
doesn't stop me fretting though
dd is more concerned because a large chunk of her friendship group live further away than our first choice state
she's accepted that if she goes to the indie she wont go with her friends, but if she stays local and they end up at different schools she will be upset
I went through this two years ago. I managed to hold it together till half term, but then I was pretty much beside myself until we got the email.
This time is not nearly so bad as DS2 will definitely get a place at our first choice school on at least two admissions criteria, possibly three (and we only need one).
Three did you get the email at midnight or later in the day?
We also have 2 dds in year 4 so this will also determine their education too. I really want them to be at the girls academy.
Hi MsInga, Im fretting a bit now, but nothing we can do. Touch wood (touches head) for you!
Tiggytape, I'm expecting to be in a similar position to you on March 1. Choice 1 is a superselective, 2 is DC1 school; we're going on catchment as there's no sibling policy but we're twice as far away as last year's cut off, so unlikely; DC1 got in on med grounds. Choice 3 is an oversubscribed Church school; we don't fit all the criteria. Choice 4 is our nearest school but so oversubscribed that even 10-15 minutes walk is possibly too far out of catchment. Choice 5 is very nice but too far so I'm not keen even if we did get in and Choice 6 is just ok, better than the others round here so we put it down to avoid them.
What do we do if we get, for example, Choice 5? Do we have to turn it down and go on the other 4 waiting lists? Or can we accept the place, go on the waiting lists and ...wait? Do the schools deal with all this or is it back to the council?
Accept your offer xyx. If I've learnt anything from MN education threads it is Always Accept Your Offer. Nothing good will come of rejecting it.
Then go on every waiting list you fancy, even if you didn't apply there in the first place. Then wait and pray.
Yes better to accept than not. Good advice, thanks
xyz - it does sound very much like our situation. DS passed one 11+ but for a super selective school a fair trek away and didn't get an offer in the end (more pass the test than can be offered places). We didn't mind that so much as we have decent local comps but, as it turned out, we lived too far from even the nearest one to get in. Ditto every other school in the area so we didn't get any offer at all. It was a low birthrate year but the population around here is dense so the schools fill up quickly with tiny catchment areas plus a lot less people opted for private that year than in previous years.
After Easter we got offered a good school but miles away from home. It was far from ideal but we accepted it. Really, you have to accept any offer you are made even if it is awful because the LA only have an obligation to make you one offer. If they make it and you reject it, you're on your own - there is no obligation for them to find you anything else. We stayed on every waiting list though and started preparing for appeals.
Then in early Summer we got another offer from the waiting list for a local school so we rejected the first school and accepted the second and breathed a massive sigh of relief. By that stage we had appeal dates lined up and were glad they weren't needed.
As I say, it has worked out very happily for DS. He is in the right school for him and doing really well. I'm not pretending it wasn't a stressful process but it definitely worked out for the best in the end. Mind you I am not looking forward to going through it all again for DC2 (we get no sibling priority and still live in the same house)
We got the email at about 5pm ish on March 1st (Hertfordshire).
In London, parents can log on to the online admissions service from 5pm - it didn't crash last year and was ready on the dot of 5pm.
Emails were also sent at 5pm but took several hours to actually arrive in some cases
Letters arrived in the post the next day to confirm the news.
All of that side of things was very well organised but it was a little frustrating waiting all day to hear. It also meant having the children at home when the news arrived rather than having time to process it and telling them later. In other counties, they get the emails or can log on just after midnight on the 1st.
Massively nervous, thinking about it continuously
Dd sat 2 different 11+ exams and passed them both. 1 of them covered 2 schools so it has given us 3 grammars to choose from.
Our 1st choice allocates on distance and last yr they went to 7.9 miles. We live 7.1 miles away. This yr more children sat the 11+, no idea how many passed so really worried over the distance.
2nd choice is a catholic grammar which allocate to catholic children 1st. We are catholic so pretty sure if we dont get 1st choice she will get this school. 3rd choice was the remaining grammar.
My main worry is my dd fell in love with the 1st choice school and I know she will be heart broken if she doesnt get it
I phoned our school allocations to find out what time I can log on for results and was told half past midnight (12.30am) so will be sitting up to find out.
Hope everyone gets the results they want
5pm!!! I was to log on at one minute past midnight!!
thininside - many parents were of the uncharitable
probably well founded suspicion that the Admissions Office closing at 5pm just as the results went 'live' was no coincidence.
There were discussions on MN last year where we imagined one lady hovering with her hand on the light switch whilst another Admissions Officer pushed the 'send' button before they all legged it out of the office shouting 'don't answer the phones'
In Essex you can log on at midnight and, since some of Essex borders London, some people in the same neighbourhood got results long before others.
Yes, can imagine it!
Think I might still try at 00:01 though, they might be nice in our area.
In Kent apparently we get an email at 4pm bu this has been know to take a few hours to get to some!! A couple of years back a friend of mine logged on to the admissions website on the Sunday when the allocations were due out on the Monday and the allocations were there! Don't think I'll be able to resist checking the admissions website during the day despite being at work all day arrrggghhh
Gosh Tiggytape, I just remember you being so helpful last year at around this time! I can't believe you had major probs getting a school for your DS - thank goodness it all worked out in the end...
Yes, I remember having 'clocked' the logging on in the dead of night on the off-chance that the offers would be 'up' but it didn't happen in our London Borough. I suspect that for whatever reason (possibly it's related to the number of disgruntled parents there are going to be!), the London Boroughs run a very tight ship on Offers Day.
A tip though....if you are on a waiting list for your DC's preferred choice school keep up the contact with them. DS got his 3rd choice grammar school but really wanted the second choice one and we discovered that he was 9th on the waiting list, having got the cut-off score but living further away than a lot of the other boys. Well, within a month he had his place - the irony was that the school sent us the offer directly and then we confirmed with them and our local Borough too - the latter was not happy that they'd been circumvented in the offers process! I think we'd possibly have waited another two weeks if it had gone thro' official channels first. If you build up a good rapport with a school's admissions department it really helps as they will give it to you 'straight'
Good luck everyone! We have friends with DCs in Year 6 this year so it's stressful again. Curiously though a lot have gone down the private school back-up option route, just in case.
I am dreading this whole thing with DD as she, as with your second DC, Tiggytape, will be part of the baby-boom cohort. I cannot help but think that the Boroughs/Education Authorities have not really acted to increase the number of secondary school places in anticipation of the upturn in demand which is just around the corner. .
This is the thing. DDs friends are apparently all going to our 3rd choice and she wants either that one or the all girls academy. I am fairly confident that her 2 bffs are going to a local independent which isn't an option for us. We wanted her to choose a school assuming that she would be going to school with no friends from primary. That's the all girls one. She will know someone whichever school she goes to hopefully.
Would I be really pushy if I called the LEA to ask when we can access the decisions?
gazzalw, thanks for tip about phoning schools (til they get completely fed up with me!) when we go on their waiting lists. May have to do that. Re: your dd, the grammar school competition will only get worse, may have to start prep earlier or try a prep school for y3-6 as some include vr and nvr in their curriculum. It's not for us, can see dc2 following dc1 into a school where they'll be less stressed trying to keep up. Doesn't quite stop the guilt of not doing enough for grammar entry though! Good luck!!
We're dreading it too with DC2 because the numbers applying go up each year and since there weren't enough places (initially) in a low birthrate year like DS's, then goodness knows what will happen in future years. They certainly aren't expanding any schools or adding bulge classes in the way that primary schools are and, given that so many London secondaries are now academies, I don't even think there's a mechanism to force any of them to expand at all.
MrsInga - definitely ring them and ask. Most LAs have a set timetable for March 1st so they'll be happy to advise.
Good luck everyone. Not long to wait now.
Tiggytape, do you think that's why schools such as Tiffin Girls are now bringing in designated catchment areas - they can see how ridiculous it's going to be, in terms of numbers of candidates sitting the 11+, in a matter of a year or so, that they are acting now before you get situations where they will be processing over 2000 applications for 120 - 150 places?
Yes - I do think it is based on numbers but I also think (cynical me) that it largely cost motivated - not that I blame them.
Once upon a time, a maximum of 1000 children took each Tiffins test. Now it is nearer 2000 every year per school and they are obliged to test all who apply for free. It costs them an absolute fortune - over £30 per candidate I believe so tens of thousands of £.
The reason for more applying is in part people using it as a mock test for private schools. Private schools test in January as Tiffins used to do years ago. Now Tiffins are obliged to test earlier, their tests are of some value as mocks to people who have no intention of going there. People are prepared to travel to sit 'free' mock tests.
Mainly though increasing populations and less money for private schooling leads to an increased worry about not getting into schools all over London and the South East which leads to an increased willingness by parents to consider grammar schools miles away from home as long as they have no barrier in the admissions criteria based on distance.
Tiffin Girls was a prime school to target since most girl's grammars elsewhere have preference for local candidates (even in Sutton where the boys grammar have no preference for local candidates, the girls' schools do). Now some girls are effectively ruled out of a place, Tiffins are probably hoping that admission numbers significantly decrease or at least cease to rise as they were doing.
There is a lot of bluster about it being in the girl's best interests not to travel too far but a glance at the admission zone shows areas included that are well over an hour away with others 35 or 45 minutes away ride away excluded. If they've based it on travelling time, they've messed up calculations somewhere.
There are also unconfirmed mutterings I've heard about the Sutton Grammars going to a two stage process, multiple choice followed by a written English test for the top X% - the idea is to enable them to determine the truly talented more effectively, but it would be much more expensive, hence the need to cut numbers.
Yes, I see where you are coming from. It's a bit 'off' though to just use the 11+ tests as mocks - there should be some way of charging for those who are doing so. I know that we did put our DS's name down to sit the Tiffin exam but then decided not to put it on our CAF form, we let the school know directly that DS wouldn't be sitting the exam and I got a feeling that they were grateful to be saving the money - certainly got that impression! It is an awfully high expenditure for the grammars which seem to get less funding than other secondaries if their seen-better-days-facilities are anything to go by .
Yes, we are fortunate enough to still be in 'catchment' although with a walk to the bus stop it would be a good hour for our DD (should she be lucky enough...), door to door on a rush-hour schedule. And we are in SW London!
Do you think that putting catchment areas in situ makes any difference to the caliber of the DCs who get places - I imagine not!
It will be interesting to see if numbers do decrease or flatline. It might be that if they do markedly decrease, other parents who have been put off by high numbers of applicants feel that it is worth their DCs having a go.... I guess only time will tell.
I do think that the whole thing seems to have spiraled out of control though. There is such a lot of spin about the 11+ and getting into grammar schools in SWLondon that it seems to be as much about competitive parenting as it is about the child(ren)'s abilities....
They are much more than unconfirmed mutterings, the arrangements are currently being consulted on. Wilsons, Sutton Grammar and Wallington Boys are suggesting they have a joint first stage exam which is just multichoice. Those who "pass" that first stage can then sit each school's individual test which will include a written English paper and maths paper.
No similar suggestions as yet for girls grammars though Nonsuch have suggested their exam will only consist of VR and English comprehension. Again multichoice and interestingly no maths or NVR.
There are also unconfirmed mutterings I've heard about the Sutton Grammars going to a two stage process
It seems pretty certain a lot of the schools will be doing this very soon. Sutton Grammar has already confirmed that they will and others are expected to follow. Tiffin Girls' will have 2 stage testing as well but not part of a joint process - more of a knock out round type arrangement to narrow the field.
Do you think that putting catchment areas in situ makes any difference to the caliber of the DCs who get places - I imagine not!
I don't think it will because the catchment area is absolutely huge. As it is, there are always far more who pass the test with very high scores than can ever be accommodated at the school. You don't need 12 - 15 applicants per place to find the best pupils.
Ok that sounds scary! Glad we aren't in SW London! DD had to take a 45 minute NVR test and apparently all they do is sort them into 5 ability bands and choose equally from each of the bands. Not sure if this is actually what happens
The admissions team said that the emails will be sent out in batches during the morning of the 1st by the IT team...
I think our allocations get sent out in batches from 00:01 on the 1st.
I will want to stay up or set the alarm to wake me, DH, who is so laid back he is horizontal, will laugh at me if I do.
I think I'll stay up til midnight and if there's nothing by half past, give up til morning. I am so sad.
Hope you've all got something to keep you well occupied during the day otherwise you will spend the whole time just glued to the computer!
Another fretter here. DD1 sat the 11+ for a consortium and got good enough marks that she would have got in to the school she wants any other year, even though we are out of area.
But who knows, there are 18 places and about 300 girls sat for them.
Our second choice is a good local comp, much closer and we will almost certainly get in there so I swing from preferring one over the other almost daily!
I just want to know now.
We are in London, so will spend the whole day wishing it was 5pm.
I have 3000 and 2000 word assignments due for uni not long afterwards. That ought to do it
It's probably the only time ever that two assignments will be welcome - should distract you sufficiently!
I should hope so, if I finish them by then it means I have a completely free Easter holiday with the kids too. Win win.
Got my fingers crossed that you are allocated one of your preferences. I know that the last two week countdown is unbearable and can send you quite insane!
I'm getting nervous now.
1st choice is a Catholic faith school 5 minutes walk from our house. Although Ds2 is catholic, he doesn't attend one of their feeder schools, which is their main criteria. Hopefully he will get in on the next criterion which is Catholic children not attending a feeder school. This goes by distance to the school, so we are pretty close.
2nd choice is also a catholic faith school. Ds2 attends one of their feeder schools but the criteria for this school is to live in the parish, not attend the feeder school. Ds1 attends this school and I'm confident ds2 will be offered a place here but it is two bus rides and about an hours journey away.
Ds2 couldn't give a flying fart where he goes as long as I let him join Facebook to keep in touch with his friends
I actually can't remember what my third choice was
that's hysterical Vold
I am hoping ds1 gets a place at the all boys school. The alternative is the new build school, created by the amalgamation of two failing schools. If he get allocated the new school its not the end of the world, but i would far prefer him to attend a school with a proven track record. The new schools results gave actually dropped again this year.
For those of you that need to log in, do you remember your username and password? We haven't used ours since October.
He's going to get his third choice isn't he? I can just see it now. Opening the email saying, oh that's what our 3rd choice was!
Gah. I was determined not to join this thread but observe you lot getting angsty whilst chanelling calm thoughts. But Threebeeonegee has made me panic and I'm now searching for my login, which I swore I'd saved on my phone but is not there! I'll be back to join in when I've found it.
As 1st March is a Friday, it's going to be odd in terms of the DC finding out where their schoolmates are going, depending on what time the results come out. Last year I remember all the Yr 6s bouncing around comparing notes the next morning. Anyone know what time Surrey results will be available?
Last week i was getting completely stressed over remembering my log in details, so I thought I would do a trail run, only to find that our allocations office have completly removed the on line applications bit from their website
This got me thinking about if they had completly sorted all the kids allocations out and attached it to the on line applications so they have had to remove everyones log on bit so no one finds out early.
In the end I ended up phoning them to find out what happens if I cant remember my passport, would i only have 3 attempts and be blocked ( also secretly hoping they would accidently let slip which school my dd has got)
There response was unlimited attempts and there is a thing you can follow if you have forgotten your log on details and they will email them to you.
There wasnt any hint of allocated school
They're not allowed to hint Bati.
In fact your DC's primary school will also know the outcome a bit before you do but they're not allowed to hint either.
National Offers Day is now the standard day for all areas and the LAs all have to announce the results at the same time.
ChippyMinton - Aren't Surrey part of the pan London system? If so it will be 5pm on March 1st.
Nice try Bati, but I seem to remember getting the impression that all the allocations are not really entirely sorted until Offers Day or close to it (seem to recall seeing some type of timetable to that effect).
Tiggytape, yes, part of pan london. Does that mean that the emails are sent then or that I could log in then and no earlier? Not that it matters in the great scheme of things!
I seem to remember DC's Head last year swearing blind she didn't know the schools allocation but we knew she was lying! It think it's a tad unfair that the Heads get to know before parents and children -what's that all about Tiggytape?
ChippyMinton, I seem to recall last year that it was on the strike of 5.00 pm that the allocated school details were available online on the Pan-London site. And yes the official emails didn't arrive until some time later...(a matter of hours methinks).
Nooo do the heads really know before us? Why?
Feeling quite calm, before the storm perhaps ;) Quick question we shall (most probably) be appealing at one GS as DD missed out by a very small margin and had I believe mitigating circumstances. Anyway she shall of course go on waiting lists for the GS's she passed but just wondered IF she is very fortunate and gets a place from say her '3rd preference' GS waiting list after March 1st, would that then mean it cancels out all her other waiting list places at her '1st' and '2nd' preference GS? Am guessing she shall get allocated the comprehensive and then go on waiting list for the 3 GS's. Is probably VERY unlikely but wondering if she accepted a '3rd choice' waiting list place, could we still hold on for a GS higher up our preference list and hope she may get a place further down the line? I suppose knowing where she is on the waiting list/s help to see what probability of her getting a place is. She passed 3 GS exams, but due to ooc criteria/over subscription not feeling to confident she'll be allocated one.
As for the appeal, mostly because I don't want any 'what ifs' in the future. Is a school appeals are very rarely upheld but have to at least go for it. Then again I could of course be appealing at the GS's she passed at anyway! Oh the joys!!
if she accepted a '3rd choice' waiting list place, could we still hold on for a GS higher up our preference list and hope she may get a place further down the line?
Absolutely. The norm is that you remain on the waiting lists of all higher ranked schools than the one you are currently offered.
So if you're offered your 4th choice on March 1st, you stay on the list for schools 1,2 and 3. If you're then offered your 3rd choice from the waiting list in April, you turn down the 4th choice, accept the 3rd choice and stay on the wait list for schools 1 and 2 and so on..
Always email / phone to check you are on the list though. In most cases it is automatic but just be doubly sure.
Re Grammar School appeals - the overwhelming emphasis where the pass mark has been missed is on proving academic ability. Mitigating circumstances can be considered but no matter how compelling these are, it will not overcome the need to prove a child is at the correct level for the school. Mitigating circumstances also vary by nature. If it is something like a bereavement, they will ask for evidence of impact (eg recent dip in school scores) and take this into account. If it is something like being sick on the morning of the exam, they may question why the child was allowed to sit the exam and perhaps not make allowances to the same degree. If it is something like special needs where no adaptations were made for the test day, the panel will consider whether the school knew about the additional needs before the exam took place or not and whether it failed to make necessary adjustments.
If you end up appealing for a GS wheret she has passed the test, proving academic ability isn't the concern. She has proved she has met the required standard. In those cases, it is good to focus on how the school is the best match for the child eg ethos, curriculum, clubs, opportunities. You mustn't criticise the school offered though - just demonstrate why the GS is best meets DD's needs and interests.
Thanks so much tiggytape, really really helpful so thank you very much for that. Yes appreciate the special circumstances don't have the same weight as her academic ability. She was out by what would have equated to maybe a couple of questions and is strong level 5a at school
( doing the level 6 extension papers in May) doing very at school, high spelling/reading ages, YG&T. She also passed 3 other GS exams and had an indie offer (due to finances have had to decline) Was 'expected' to pass, have strong support from head and class teacher who shall be writing supporting letters and I do have documented 'medical' evidence and a SC form was handed in on the day. Of course hindsight is a wonderful thing and I did question whether I should have taken her, and postponed exam, she begged (almost) to be taken on the day she's one of those that 'enjoys' in her own way tests/exams and so I trusted her judgment. Hey ho, I like a challenge and so although I know is the longest of long shots want closure really if that makes sense.
Thanks again for explaining the waiting list thing, lets hope I have just one appeal in my hands Keep practising how to word our reasons for appeal letter, have heard both keeping it short and to the point the best, and yet others also say make it as lengthy and 'wordy' as possible as you may not get the time on the day to explain your reasons.
Good luck everyone else waiting!
Quick question, if DD doesn't get her first/second preference does she auomatically go on the waiting list of these or do we have to contact the school and add her name?
Just wish the 1st would hurry up so we know one way or another. This is my first going to secondary (can you tell lol) didn't realise the waiting would be so stressful!
Normally it is automatic and normally the school's website (if it is an academy) or the LA (if the school is a community school) will confirm this. But even if it says it is automatic, always double check - follow up any offer with an email confirming you'd like to remain on the waiting lists for the higher ranked schools named. If it is an academy, tell the school. If it is a community school, tell the LA Admissions people.
Don't expect any immediate movements from waiting lists though. Offers are made March 1st and people have at least 2 weeks to accept or decline places. After that time any 'refused' places start to be offered to those at the top of the list. But some people take a long time to reply and have to be chased. And some people who get a waiting list offer will decide not to accept it and take time to tell the council this. Don't panic if nothing much happens in the first few weeks.
((says she who was camped out by her letter box for the whole of March, April and beyond last year!!))
Ha ha thanks tiggytape We have everything crossed she gets her first choice GS but we are relying on the distance criteria after LAC, medical needs and then siblings so it could go any way just like to be prepared and ready for any eventuality x
One week to go. Hopefully we will know before he goes to school in the morning!
How do you find out what yr birth rate is for the year?
I asked our admissions office at the council, back when DS1 was starting primary, and confirmed it with them when I was doing the Secondary application for him.
Might be worth ringing yours?
I think historically it's the last of three low-birth rate years in a row (this year's Year 6, current Year 7 and current Year 8) before the huge upturn in the birth rate...
Technically speaking the 'fun' with secondary school admissions has yet to come .....
Boooo my eldest are in yr 3 ....
I would agree with that, it's what we were told too.
It's one of the reasons I am hoping we get DS1 into the boys school - if we do, the sibling rule will mean DS2, in YR2 at the moment, will have the option of going there too, if we deem it the best fit for him closer to the time.
I looked it up on the ONS website. There was a dip in 2001/2002/2003 then it creeps steadily upwards.
And as I've flagged up already, you don't see the Councils rapidly expanding existing or building new secondary schools..... yet.... They will undoubtedly wait until there is a crisis for places before they act...
The birth dip is sickening for me, because DD, who's in a lowbirth year is likely to end up going to a single sex school and hence DS will have to fend for himself in the chaos of September 2015 entries without a sibling leg-up <sulks>
Exactly the same here manky, dd2 and dsd are both in year 4, they all really want the girls school. If we get dd1 in now then the sibling rule pretty much guarantees them places.
Same here BoringSchoolChoiceNickname - DS finally got a place last year but there is no sibling link so we have to go through it all again soon just when the birthrate is higher than ever.
The real 'fun' in our area starts for those born 2008 and onwards - there is a steady increase from 2001/2002 onwards but then from 2008 it just booms. We'll miss that fortunately but still be in one of the 'steadily increasing' years.
It worries us because we failed to get a place initially in a 'low' birthrate year so goodness knows what it will be like in future year groups.
Well our DS goes to a grammar school out of Borough so no sibling rule will apply for DD (7). There are girls grammar schools around too but not sure at this stage whether with increased competition, DD will make it. The half-decent non-selective girls school in Borough is on the other side of it. It's quite possible that although historically all girls from within Borough have been given places, because of the rising birth-rate and its increasing popularity, by the time DD gets to that stage she might not even get a place.
DW is already starting to agitate about it..... and it's still four years off before we get really angsty.
My DD has done very well and hopefully has got a place at a semi selective. Has just got into the 12 number cut off. However, I won't feel happy until I have official notification and am (ridiculously) slightly anxious. Do hope it all works out. If, and just if, she doesn't get in she will go to the local school with her friends....just she is really excited about going there, making new friends and no longer being thought of as one of the nerds...
DS younger and going into ks2 - shouldn't really be thinking about his future yet.....(not sure he will do as well in the exam as very different child!). Feel for those who are in a different position....hope it all works out for everyone.....
This was me last year, wish I'd have know about mumsnet then as I was a right wreck waiting for the 1st March and could have done with lots if friendly virtual hand holding! Good look to everybody :-)
Entering the home stretch now.
Envying the majority who can check online! We have to wait for snail mail as we have applied out of borough and that's the way it's done here. And with our post, DD may not hear until late on 4th.
It's stressing me more than her. On Friday morning I phoned our 'destination' borough just to make sure (again) that she was on their list. They are getting fed up with me, I'm sure I heard some muttering about 'neurotic nora' in the background.
I wondered if there were a countdown thread... eek and argh. Can I have an especially large eek as it appears the preferred school is looking to change its school uniform, to something more formal with ties, blazer etc, and my aspie son and ties do NOT mix!
Are we nearly there yet? whiny
Hope its all good news for you.
I was here last year. DD passed her 11+ and unfortunately didn't get a place at the grammar (its the nearest 180 kids on distannce). I waited up till midnight and then got the bad news. I went to bed and sobbed and sobbed, didn't sleep for most of the night.
We lost our appeal and dd has ended up going to a comp in the next town. She's doing fine, loves the school. She seems to be doing well though probably not been pushed as hard as what she would have been at the grammar. But she's happy and enjoying it.
Just wanted to say if it isn't good news it isn't the end of the world. Her been at the comp is working a lot better than I thought it would.
What will be will be on 1st March.
If it's what you/DC want, that will be fantastic.
If it is not, then it will be the springboard for a whole world of angst, phone calls, letter-writing. appeals prep etc etc. In which case enjoy these last few days of
Yes, would go along with what VivaleBeaver and ChippyMinton have said (waves!).
I think that a term and a half down the line from starting at secondary school, most of DS's cohort's parents are quite happy with the schools their children are now attending, even if they weren't necessarily their first choice ones.
I think if it's possible (once the initial shock has worn off), just be open-minded and flexible. Primary school admissions taught us that as soon as you 'let go' and accept another option it is much more likely that you might be surprised by an unexpected positive outcome elsewhere....
Marking space as will be twiddling thumbs on Thursday waiting to log in at midnight (system usually work here - although knowing my luck....)
First choice is the boys grammar, second choice the local comp.
I actually quite like the local comp and think it would suit ds2 but everyone else wants the grammar. DS2 will be upset if he doesn't get it :sigh:
We know he passed the 11 plus, but don't know whether he got a place or is on the waiting list.
Saintlyjimjams, are you in London or elsewhere? Good luck....It sounds as if you are in a win win situation regardless of the result....
The comp isn't particularly popular (prob because of the area its in) but it gets good results and I really liked the ethos. The local rag has just published an article about the head and I read it and thought how much I liked the school and their approach to learning. I think I will secretly be disappointed if he gets the grammar I don't get quite the same vibe from it.
Because it's a low birth rate year, with the exception of the grammars, you can pretty much pick which schools you want this year (in my area I mean). I think it will be a bit harder when ds3 comes to choose a secondary school as his cohort is larger.
DD is now in Y8, and I'm relieved to have got through that first year tbh, which brought all sorts of problems, even though we felt it was the right school. DS is a different kettle of fish though, and transition for him is going to be a lot harder, because of his Asperger's. He's very immature socially (which can be adorable to me, but not to his peers)
MaryBS: come and join us on our thread...
DS1 is feeling it a bit more than I thought - it all came out last night, about how he is nervous about leaving primary. I think he will be better when he knows which school he is going to - I think it's the uncertainty that is making him nervous.
I think ds2 is the same manky. I have been trying to reassure him that we really don't mind which school he gets into, that both have pros and cons, that we really like both, but he is quite nervous. Big outburst about it a couple of weeks ago. I think he'll be better when he knows as well.
Friday can't come quick enough can it?
Poor DS, he was so upset last night, he had not been selected for one of his team sports and was talking about that, which lead into school talk and then it all came out jumbled together. He spent an hour snuggled up to me on the sofa once he had calmed down. They are so young really still.
Yes it was similar here. An off the cuff remark and suddenly tears and it all came out. They are little for the pressure I think. God knows what it would be like if we were actually telling him we wanted him to go to a particular school.
I think we get the results at midnight but I'm not telling him that.
We didn't tell DD the offer day on purpose. She is already worrying about SATS. We didn't want to pile the pressure on.
At school yesterday the teacher was asking all the children what schools they wanted to go to and then told them they would find out on Friday.
I found DD last night in the bath crying. She thinks it will be her fault if she doesn't get in. A girl in her class said she deserved a place more than DD.
So, I've sent DD into school today with coping ideas.
They are only little,ffs
i never swear
I just hope she gets in.
Just to say DS1/2 have/are at the school.
I'm actually seeing the head this week.
Ooh, getting nervous now after reading the thread.
DS1 and DS2 are in a really good, inclusive comp/academy with a great ethos but no sibling rule for DS3. And we are out of catchment. They have a fair banding test for admissions so put them into 7 bands and take equally from each band based on catchment, then location. DS1 must have been in a lucky band, and DS2 has a statement of SEN. Really want DS3 to go there too, to keep him with his brothers as their dad left last year for an OW and they need some stability.
grounds for an appeal?
DS3 has passed the 11+ for the boys grammar in the next town, but it's just a back up, third choice. Second choice is another comp that we are out of catchment for, where all his friends will go but he wants to be with his brothers.
Our LA cocked up 2 years ago and sent letters out a day too early, so we all heard unexpectedly on the 28th. It was great, really reduced the angst, so I've no idea when emails will come through or when the admissions system will be updated. <fret, fret>
We went through this 2 years ago and DD got 3rd 'choice' (a failing school in special measures at that point). I could've cried but we were positive on the outside and never let on that we were disappointed to her. We had managed her expectations from the point that we submitted the forms to the LEA and had prepared her for the likelihood that she'd end up there. As a result, she walked through the door on the first day with a positive attitude and is doing fantastically.
My message is; don't write anything off. Don't let your child know that you're disappointed or they'll start to believe that the school they're going to isn't good enough and you'll have lost them. If you're a parent who cares enough to push them and keep on their case (and the school's case), then they'll do well wherever they end up.
This Friday, I'm panicking in case her sister DOESN'T get in!!!!
Good luck everyone!
I have activities to keep myself busy as I have no lectures until friday and I don't want to drive everyone around me insane. I have you lot for that
Stroppy, that's a really positive post. X fingers for your DD2.
Good Luck everyone for Friday (Fingers Crossed for all of you).
I was in this situation last year for DS1 and will be again in the same boat for DS2 next year
It seems to me that even in London it usually works out that the DCs are allocated the schools that turn out to be the right ones for them. I cannot think of one member of DS's primary school class who is not happy with the secondary school they are now at, even though not all got their first choices.
I hadn't even realised that the secondary school allocations came out on 1st March until I read this thread. I'd assumed it was the same as the primary admissions one (in April). Probably useful I found out or I might have forgotten to accept the place or something equally stupid.
From this you will deduce that I am not at all worried about it all. I think it's much less tense up here generally, partly because we have a feeder school system and partly because it just isn't as crazy and competitive as it sounds in London. DS1 will be going into Y9 at our local high school (3 tier system). There is absolutely no way that he won't get a place (well, unless the school burns down/blows up) due to the feeder system. Even without the feeder system, there is no way that there are 360 children who are siblings or live closer to the school than we do. I still put down 3 choices out of the 4 available, just in case.
I'm more interested in DS2's reception allocation, but not at all worried. It's unlikely that we won't get our 1st choice, and if we didn't choice 3 is always undersubscribed (and I'd be perfectly happy with it). All our choices are within walking distance (for a just turned 4 year old) of our house and they all feed into middle schools and then to the same high school.
Is it Friday yet? I have tried to find out when our LEA does the emails/ online thingy, but to no avail. Only news from other people from other years is 8am ish, which smacks of someone coming into the office, logging on and pressing a button to send emails!
Havign said that, I will be there at 00:01 checking on the sly! We are not in the catchment for first choice school, but it is a tiny area and we are on the outskirts. Second choice is not her choice as 97% of all her school will have applied to her first choice school. Both schools are good in a middle class northern area, but first choice is not good at dealing with the less able pupisl and the 2nd choice school is not good at dealing with the more able pupils.
I really feel for those of you in the London and outlying areas as it sounds a nightmare.
Offers virtual gin round to all those genuinely worried.
Yes. It must be awful to have to go through such anxiety in some parts of England. When I was living in Scotland, I never really understood what all the fuss was about school admissions every year in the news (as you just amble up to your catchment school in January and apply for a place/fill in the form at some point in P7 to transfer to your catchment secondary). It's a completely insane system.
Don't all come north though. Then things will be insane up here too.
Arbitrary, I think that's what happened in my patch, loads and loads of Londoners arrived
One more sleep to go. I don't mind which of the 3 it is, I just want to know now.
Mad scramble here for password and login (london). Up to this morning have not 'needed' this thread although knew it was here. 2nd choice school gives us all the heebies - new academy, feels really stressy and sterile. DD being quite chilled whatever will be, will be.
'School schmool.' Said a friend of mine. It's not everything but a school the whole family feels good about is a wonderful thing, innit?
I am gibbering.
Ignore work deadline.
Possibly hoovering with Ipod on LOUD to DROWN OUT GIBBERING.
Trying to write an assignment for uni, failing miserably. Went out for coffee with a friend just now and bored her rigid with it, poor woman doesn't even have children and she patiently listened to my whinging on
DH is home tonight after leaving for work on Monday at 5am, I love him but I don't care, he's coming home to a DW who is distracted and crabby.
Good luck to all those waiting. I was last year and it was horrible. Email came late afternoon iirc, if that helps anyone.
A word to the wise though. Our DS said he was fine about whichever school he got before the email came. He didn't get the school he wanted which was the one his friends got. We (parents) were very upset, but didn't show it. He said it was fine, he'd be ok, started talking about the new school etc. We bigged up the school he was allocated to, and set about appealing. We told him that we were appeaing, but in the same breath, told him there was little chance he would get his first choice school, so to assume he was going to the other one.
Fast forward several stressful months of being in pre-appeal limbo land. It is not fun btw (appealing, that is), get support on here if you do end up going down that route. We win the appeal. DS tells us that he had been really sad and stressed about not getting his first choice school. He hadn't told us because he didn't want us to be worried for him. I wish I had known though, because he went through months of uncertainty (as we did), but felt he couldn't talk to us about it. It must have been a horrid time for him - it felt bad enough for us!
Moral of the story - don't necessarily take what your child says at face value. Even at 11, your children might be trying to protect your feelings! Bless him, to this day I am still not sure why he did it. I thought we did such a good job of being blase and happy about the second choice school.
Anyhoo, good luck. Hopefully by this time tomorrow, you will at least know!
MsInga - me too! Will stay up til midnight, but we're in London, not Kent - so maybe a waste of time (and cortisol)?
Fingernails? What fingernails? More like bloody stumps.
ThreeBeeOneGee - just double checked my login and password. WHEW.
TiggyTape - the school knows? I'll be able to winkle it out of them - just by catching the head's eye...
Just checked our council website. Emails will be sent in batches from 9am and we should receive them by midnight tomorrow. I am sad enough that I will still check at midnight just in case.
I asked our head last night at a meeting about camp. He will be sent a list at the end of the school day
Ah, that feels better.
This morning DS showed me what his celebration dance/scream will be when he gets his first choice.
He has already said he will be devastated if he doesn't get the one we have put down as first choice.
Arrgh, the nerves!
IIRC emails were sent out at 6am last year. Will be checking at midnight tonight, though.
2 years ago, our local authority sent them out at 8am... I've still got the email
Pan-London website says emails will be sent out in the evening of 1st March and to not log-in until email is received.
Definition of evening please!!
Not as sweaty as last year with DS1 - DS2 should get in as sibling but nothing is guaranteed is it these days !
Ours definitely go out at 00.00 overnight tonight! <spies in IT dept>
How do you know, Manky?
I wish everything was standard across the UK.
I know someone who works in the IT department, and she mentioned in passing that one of her other colleagues was setting up the links to the server and the prompts to send out the emails.
They are not involved in the allocation process at all, just the delivery of the information!
Our admissions website says we will find out before 12 noon tomorrow. They must be covering themselves....surely they'll come before that.
They know already....they must have known for months! I can't believe somebody somewhere has my son's name on a list. Somebody has that KNOWLEDGE and is torturing us like this! Arggh!
My LA says the admissions system will be updated 'from midnight' tonight and we can login to find out from that, emails are sent in the morning. I'll be on here at 00.01, you can be sure.
Tell them we want the information at 0:00!
Ellen that's good news. There is no facility for us to log on to anything here.
Did someone (a while back) mention lemon drizzle cake ?
I hope it's not all gone, but you saved a piece for me !
I'm a bit twitchy and nervous as waiting for news for DS ( and had my crazy panicky dream last night - the one I always have !) - hoping he will get a place at DD's great (secondary) school.
Am quite excited as he should have a good chance being a sibling for one thing .... but did I fill everything out right, have checked on-line and all seems present and correct ?
Need tea and cake ! Or stronger
Hope my sister's little girl gets the school they want for her too - she'll be starting school in September.
Good luck to all !
Just hoping it doesn't crash with everyone logging in at once!
My DSs are with their dad tonight and he's taking them to school tomorrow. We aren't on speaking terms, unfortunately, but if I get the news early enough then I'll want to let DS3 know. Maybe I'll hang around the school gate in disguise...
Obviously I'll let their dad know at some point tomorrow.
I'm starting to get a bit twitchy about this. If DD doesn't get the one that she really wants then the realistic alternatives are simultaneously mediocre and miles away. It should all go the way she wants but you can't help but worry, can you?
Our local council is saying that the allocations will be available "late evening on 1 March". I hope it's earlier.
DS now saying I'm not to look without him I think they'll be on-line from 1am here IIRC. So, not sure what to make of his latest pronouncement, though was thinking of leaving it till early morning/ breakfast anyway - I quite like my sleep !
Counting down the hours here - we can log on from 9.30am.
Checked today and the button next to her name has changed from 'view application' to 'view offer', but it was just trasing me, no answer yet.
DD is the only girl in her school to pass 11+, but as we live out of the borough (by 3 houses!) we don't get an automatic place. There's so much guessing involved - it's the first year the school has a year 7 so everything's different. Last year only 6 girls passed and didn't get a place, but who knows for this year?
2nd choice is ok, it's where the vast majority of her school will go on to, but I feel that the grammar is a better fit for her.
Cake please! 16.5hrs to go
I feel your pain...
In the last three years I have waited for
A senior school place (DD2 2010)
A primary school place (DS 2011)
A university place (DD1 2012)
In 2010 the LEA server crashed with the volume of traffic and I had to wait 2 days to find out.
I'll be logging on at midnight too, I hope the system can handle us all
Good luck everyone.
Wishing you all lots of luck! My very first post on MN, was about waiting for results for DD. She's 17 now.
Whatever happens, remember your lo's are still very young and there is plenty of time to turn around what you might initially think is the wrong decision.
Luckily DD had the decision we wanted, but plenty didn't. AFAIK, all those now 17 year olds have grown into lovely teenagers, who managed to get exactly where they needed to be in life so far.
I would like it settled. Not too bothered where DD goes but would like to make plans.
Website is fuzzy, implies decisions will be posted (no mention of email) tomorrow afternoon. So might not get letter until Tuesday next week.
In cheshire you can log on from 12.30 tonight although they said it will be done in batches so no gaurantee it will be there at 12.30.
I will still be sitting up, will check at 12.30 and then if nothing go to bed, saying that I can see me staying up till it comes through
One thing that has got me worried is at the moment if I go on to the website there is nothing on there about high school applications and the log in has disappeared
Arrgggghhhh dont know if my nerves can handle this for another few hours
I have just logged in and it now says i will be told on 2 march 2013...... anyone else got this..... it used to say 1 march 2013
Dh might be more nervous about it than I thought - he has just signed in to see if it was available early on the webpage log in. (it wasn't)
Daft question coming...
Our school admissions page says allocations will be visible after midnight on 1st March, this means tonight doesn't it, not midnight Friday?
Arrrggghhh! I have a nervous knot in my stomach! Tomorrow is going to dddrrraaagggg I just know it!
foxache yes thats midnight tonight. Midnight friday is the 2nd x
Thanks SoImpatient I'll stay up then.
bati - our log in page had vanished, has just returned with a 'view offer' button.
have now logged in, just says offer will be available to view on the 1st, doesn't say what time.
Ours doesnt say a time grrr..... but tried the on line link yesterday and did nothing, tried it just now and it rumbles on for a bit but a runtime error. So - do I wait up until midnight to see - cant remember from primary school place last year and no other parent from last year can remember - so they are all no use to me! Will see what is on TV!
Really hoping for first choice - DD is uber cool - she forgot it was tomorrow!! (should have kept mouth shut!)
My daughter just says she wants to know now, shes a bit fed up of all the waiting. Just hope we get her (and ours!) first choice
I feel sorry for the Year 6 parents in our authority (Wokingham)who have applied online - the council IT system is having massive problems and they have said they "cant guarantee that you will receive email notification, or be able to view the outcome of your secondary school application online on 1 March."
Good luck to all those getting their results at midnight or in the morning. We get an email sometime from 4pm tomorrow so am off to bed before I start checking the admissions website 'just in case' lol
I can't stop peeing
Never going to sleep tonight.
Cheshire login is back on website
Just logged in secretly hoping someone had pressed the button and school would be there - no such luck, but at least I remembered my password
Roll on the next few hours
Hope everyone gets the school they want
oooh ours now says 'This webiste will be available on 01/03/13' - 1.5 hours to go!!!
I'm more pissed off at the moment that I fogot to order Ds a Hogwarts acceptance letter from Etsy. It looks like my ds2 is destined to life as a Muggle and the dream of becoming Minister for Magic has been quashed
Seriously though, I just hope Ds is happy because he hasn't been very vocal in his opinions up to now.
I think the pan London system is trying to stop us all logging on at 5pm and crashing the system again! I'll still try like most of us!
I'm still nervous even though DS has sibling place! Wish all authorities would co-ordinate and let us know at the same time - it really bugged me 3 years ago that media report national offer day as 1st march when all of us in London authorities didn't get anything until the 2nd even if we had applied online! I suppose 5pm is better than that but still unfair when others find out at 12am!
Hi i live in yorkshire and have just checked my online application and my son has been offered a place at the school we wanted.yipee
Congratulations lovelytoes - I'm sure you'll sleep well tonight!
Oh well done lovelytoes
Checked mine hopefully after reading your message but it's still just showing applications
Taking a seat here.... Waiting. Our council website show nothing <sob> not a hint, a whisper, a sign that a link will be added and go live. i bet they're all tucked up in their beds, probably thinking tomorrow will be 'one heck of a day'....
Ooh well done lovelytoes and thanks for getting us off to a good start
Congratulations lovelytoes and good luck to everyone else. Not long now!
Jill - in ours we check the online application link. That then shows the school choice after midnight (I hope) but it doesn't make it very clear on the council website.
I feel sick!
It's 1st March!!!
DS2 got the grammar.
Bang on midnight the info was there. Well done LEA (I don't say that very often!)
Argh, I was wondering if there were any like minded folk out there waiting to see how soon we'd find out!
bang on midnight, place offered at 1st choice, yay! hope everyone else gets a good outcome.
Our LA has sent emails saying we can check online at 00.01 I haven't yet, but only because dd2 has passed the entrance exam for the same school dd1 goes to so will get offered a place. I really want to log in, but I know there'll be parents much more stressed than me trying so I'm holding off for a few minutes. Hence some MN distraction.
My email has just come through and first choice here too
Although I wasn't particularly worried, very low class sizes for year 6s in all schools here this year
Well the council website isn't showing any clews and the link in the confirmation email says the page is no longer available
Hertfordshire say 6pm onwards but might take HOURS depending on the network!?!
Hertfordshire say 6pm onwards but might take HOURS depending on the network!?!
1st choice here too! Shame DS1 is fast asleep and doesn't know yet!
I should probably just go to sleep then and stop obsessively refreshing my emails I guess.
So lucky!!! I still have to wait 17 hours!
Just idly checked my email (not really expecting anything till later in the day) and my DS got our first choice
Just woke DH up to tell him and he was less than impressed
Ds got 1st choice but his big worry is his best friend who lives much further away. Have texted his mum to say the offers are out but we were told "the evening of...." so it seems no-one else has bothered.
Fingers crossed for everyone.
DS3 has got his first choice! So relieved, it wasn't a sure thing at all. So now he'll go to the same school as his brothers. (no sibling policy)
Yay DD2 got her first choice, just have to go through this all again next year. Then GCSE results, university applications, job offers, argh.
Their systems have crashed. No emails and the webpage is broken. Will have to wait for snail mail. I don't even know if it's just us or every one!
Not just you, our page has crashed too. <tuts>
Will the letter arrive today do you think? Or is it sent out today? DD1 will hound me until she knows!
Dd got her first choice which softens the blow of the bursary appeal being rejected for her real first choice
Well done to everyone so far! The website still shows nothing, but after reading your threads I have just checked my emails..... And I am trying not to squeal because DS has got the school he wanted!!! Especially chuffed as it's out of catchment and he had to sit an aptitude test (and got in their top 20 after 2 weeks of mad cramming at home).
Good luck to everyone still waiting!
I think the snail mail stuff only gets sent out today, second class too!
Congratualtions to everyone that got the school they wanted!
Ds2 got first choice looks like the email came through at 12.46am. I've marked it unread so he can open it when he wakes up.
I hope he is pleased. He will likely be starting school knowing nobody, but I know within a week he will have loads of friends.
My DS has also got our first choice school
Didn't get our email until 6 this morning. Good luck if you are still waiting!
Marking my place though it's academic now for us (DD will relinquish her hard-won private place over her dead body). Good luck everybody, and congrats to those who've heard good news already.
DS got first choice, I checked online.
Yay ! DS going to his sister's school. Nice to have it in writing (on website)
Had a quiet, slightly bleary eyed, high 5 when we looked first thing this morning
DD should be eternally grateful that we didn't join the rush for a millenium baby. She's got into her 1st choice with all of her friends. We're ridiculously out of catchment and they're usually full to the brim, so thank goodness for low birth years!
I think 1999 might have been a low birth year too with lots of people holding out for a "millenium baby" I ended up having one each side of the millenium.
Still enjoying Child of Our Time though - (DS seems to be catching them all up quickly now)
An hour to go here. Refreshing emails like a loon anyway.
Congratulations to you all so far!
DD got into 1st choice, and her phone hasn't stopped since 7 am with her friends texting to see who is going where.
Not til 5 here. Just taken my hand off my mouse from hearing all your good news and my palm was running with sweat!
Having slept apallingly for the last ten days, (mostly hormones, some school stress) used a hypnotherapy cd last night and slept ridiculously well Soothed by all this talk of this being a low birth year.
DD got 2nd choice which is an excellent school but she is upset as she really wanted the girls school or failing that our 3rd choice as all her friends are going there. We're pretty happy but she isn't
Ah, that can be hard when many friends going to another school. But with DD we found that starting secondary is a great time to make lots of new friends as so many in the same boat not knowing many. And she's kept in touch with lots of her friends from primary who went to other schools or even moved to a new city much more than I thought she would. When you're a teenager you don't have to have all your friends at the same school (unlike at primary where that's often more the case) HTH Inga - glad you are pretty happy with outcome, sorry it wasn't your first choice. Hope it works out really well for DD x
My LEA hasn't sent out emails yet. They put up the link to accept your offer, but they've put it in the wrong page. It's in the 'applying to primary/first school' page not the 'transferring to' page. Silly billies. The online system isn't working anyway.
I just want to sign on and accept my place before I get all useless and forget.
Phew it's working now, my DD got her first choice. I'm so relieved!
No news yet. Excruciating!
My friend tried to accept their place (via webpage) but the system didn't seem ready to accept acceptances .... she got some message that they were too late in some way, which of course they found slightly worrying. But am convinced it must be that they haven't updated it from last year yet
For example it's still saying that deadline for applications has passed which they could have got rid of by now surely ?
I'll wait for our email (later today ?) which will hopefully have a request that we accept and details of how to do that.
Thanks Juggling. I know she'll be ok but she was disappointed this morning and it was hard to watch.
Even though we applied online and got our answer via email we need to respond with the pack that is coming through the post. Weird.
It's working now. Unsurprisingly DS1 got our first choice (just about everyone else at his school will have too). I've accepted it and now I can get back to being scatty and useless.
"and now I can get back to being scatty and useless" Arbitrary
Enfield don't let us know until 7PM - I mean that's just EVIL!!!
I feel bad for the admissions people. Today is probably their joint worst day of the year (with primary admissions day). Stress, stress, stress. From every quarter.
Sorry to all those who have to wait until this evening. That seems unnecessarily mean but I suspect it's so they come out after the staff have gone home for the weekend (and can't take any calls).
I bet you're right Arbitary - I wonder if it's because Enfield has the most annoying parents, so they've chosen them to go last so they CAN'T ring and complain!
Being the most annoying parents in the country would be quite an accolade for the people of Enfield. In comparison, those LEAs who released the offers at midnight have set themselves up for a day of phone calls from frantic parents.
I'm sure it's busy day for them Arbitrary but I find it frustrating that they don't seem to get the basics right - so for example with us there were no details of how to accept and when my friend explored webpage to try to do this she got what I can only assume is an old message (from last year) saying that the response was too late ! Crazy !
So, if they get that sort of thing wrong they'll have lots of otherwise happy families phoning in on top of those that are not happy with what they've been offered wanting to enquire about how to appeal etc.
IMHO They have the rest of the year to prepare for days like this !
I have no sympathy with the authorities !
Enfield are cowards,
but I kinda admire their thinking
dd got her 1st choice grammar school, so made up for her
Well done to all those who got the school they wanted and I hope those who didnt didnt get what they wanted get through via waiting lists
Well, yes, they are actually making the day more stressful for everyone (themselves included) by setting things up incorrectly. Other than putting the link in the wrong section of the web page (which doesn't really matter as there was a link in the email that went out about a minute before the online admissions site went live), my LEA have done well.
I think they have quite a low proportion of disappointed parents in comparison to other LEAs round the country though, so their day shouldn't be too dreadful. There are always some people who don't get any of their choices everywhere, but here you'd only end up with a school you didn't choose because you haven't been at all realistic. Whereas elsewhere in the country I think you can be totally realistic and still not get a place because everything is just so oversubscribed.
That is very true Arbitrary - I think the figures nationally are something like 1 in 6 will fail to get their first choice school but in Birmingham it is about 1 in 4 and in some parts of Lonon it is more like half of all pupils who fail to get their first choice.
In London, as elsewhere, this can be because some parents are unrealistic when they fill out their form and don't list even 1 safe option but it can also happen that a parent has no safe option to list. Their closest schools aren't close enough to offer them a place.
It doesn't offer me a way to accept the decision on the web page. Will that be sent by email?
Yay! DD got a place at the grammar school, so pleased.
I had the same experience MissMogwi, and assume the same as you, that things will become clearer later when they send out the emails.
Would be nice if web pages included more of this sort of information wouldn't it ?
They don't seem very clued up generally for this end of the process, for example web-pages still referring to applications now being closed, and very little mention of offers eg would be available to see after midnight or whatever.
DD got the girls grammar which was our first choice. We are delighted, she will be less so
We got first choice, have to write to the school to confirm our acceptance of a place.
You're right Juggling. Even if it just said what would happen next, at least we'd know.
I'm assuming the much talked of email or letter will explain further!
DD1 got her first choice, hurrah.
Still waiting here, email should land about 4.30pm...eeekkkk scary stuff. Half convinced we will get first choice and half not, one minute i think will be ok next minute I panic!!!
anyone else still waiting?
DD's in first choice school so we can relax now. Have texted her - she might be able to sneak a look at her mobile
when the teacher isn't looking at lunchtime...
My friend said glitch on our website was now fixed, but when I tried to log in find it's now closed. But at least we do know we've been offered a place (glad I checked early whilst it was open), just proving slightly tricky to accept it ATM
Waiting patiently but in London so anyone's guess as to what time email will arrive! Good luck to everyone.
@tiggytape - how is it that u get no sibling priority for dc2? Was ds1 school selective?
OK feeling a lot luckier, my friend applied for the same schools as we did but with a boys equivalent and wasn't offered any of them
Another Londoner. We've been told an email this evening. Exactly when this evening that will be is anyone's guess.
Anyone know how long you usually have to accept offers ?
No information on that available here eg. on website
But I'm thinking I'll leave it at least till Monday as they must be snowed under today.
Some information and reassurance would be good (from them I mean !)
I thnk it was 5pm in London last year.
I've been told 'between 5-6pm' for London.
Juggling our LEA said that we have to reply by 15th March.
Getting nervous here for our PFB. We are lucky in that we have a very high chance of getting our preferred choice which is an excellent school, but nervous anyway because we don't have a plan B.
I'm going to put a bottle of champagne in the fridge but look out the brandy just in case!
Ha ! Champagne and Brandy - all bases covered !
Feel sick with nerves! Also in London. I've set my Iphone up so it vibrates and beeps everytime I get an email so my nerves are completely on edge.
Last year, South London was exact 5pm.
Just a fly on the wall sharing all of your anxieties and successes .
I went through this process last year (DS1 v happy in his first choice grammar and will redo the process this year for DS2 ).
I logged in to County Council website at midnight and saw our allocation.
I then received an allocation email at 1:20am.
Then at about 11:00 am the post arrived with an allocation letter dated today!
Glitch on our website now sorted and I've accepted !
As Arbitrary said I can now get back to being scatty and useless ... pronto
Phew! 1st choice offered. Good luck all still waiting.
Have run out of fingernails, port, brandy etc. Another Londoner wondering how to take my mind off it...! FGS what kind of example am I? (not that I've let DD see ). I hate waiting when it's too early for nature's tranquillizer
Ds got his first choice, He is one very happy little boy.
Can't see how to "view the outcome of your application" on the eadmissions website. The link won't work. Any tips? London here.
hardboiled I don't think you can see outcome until you've had the email....
Waiting in London too....Why are we so late?!
Hi Verytellytubby and hardboiled - am guessing it's just cos there's so darn many of us down here with so many schools, with umpteen different entry requirements --that you need a PhD never mind a kid to get in--and the profs they have to hire to work it all out don't like overtime!
Was going through this last year(and I have got next year and the year after to do it as well !!)...but annyone who has not heard yet .....your primary school will know NOW !!!
I did not do it on line and had no post that day ...phoned school about this time and they told me !
Gibber with gibber sprinkles on top.
This is surely a ten biscuit problem.
I need biscuits.
I have no biscuits.
I want to make a mad crumb-storm of a packet of choc digestives.
Dh is downstairs, maybe a flaming row would pass the time?
I am roaring with adrenalin. Aaaaaaaargh.
btw very big hurrahs for all those with their first choice, very heartening.
bizzey, what have you just done. I can feel our school sec giving you her paddington hard stare
word have to say our sec was fab and just as excited as me !!
Am loving your approach Word - have some biscuits from me . There, not only free, but no calories!
Too wussy to try it with our school sec bizzey, glad I only have to do it once! Have been RUBBISH all day!
Just logged onto the LEA website and DD got her 1st choice, mixed feelings because it was not the one I wanted for her but she will be thrilled.Very efficent system in Tameside compared to other areas just a pity about the schools.
< nicks a biscuit from Everhopeful and Word - Just the one to dunk in my tea ? Thanks >
Ever thanks for biscuits.
Am all over the place. Have just offered DH a shag
I did think of suggesting that word, what with all that pent up energy and the need to pass the time
and a DH doing nothing much downstairs But thought it might be a bit cheeky !
He's a lucky man Word! No DH with me unfortunately. I may have to go out for a run instead.
What's cheeky abou thta with DH Juggling? Mind you, it might be a bit too intelligent for me at mo
Is it just me or has today been the longest day ever?
Still waiting here, another mum phoned the council and was told that they were having an IT issue. Argh!!
Postman has just been.
DD got her first choice. I was shaking
I'm usually so laid back
like mad when I opened the envelope.
I hope everyone else has got what they wanted.
Just been able to log on. Second choice. Gutted.
is anyone else using www.eadmissions.org.uk? I just logged in and I can't see where to find out the result. All I can find is the application.
Does it magically appear later or something?
I just emailed DS1's dad to tell him. He responded that he didn't even know that it wasn't an automatic progression. Good job it wasn't up to him to ensure DS had a school to go to next year!
Now I just have to wait until April to find out which first school DS2 will be starting reception at. Not that it matters much, as all the first schools round here are fine, even the unpopular one (it's unpopularity with the local bugaboo brigade is due to it's relatively disadvantaged catchment rather than anything wrong with the school itself).
I'm sorry Armadillo x
My sister will have to wait til April too I think for a primary place for DNiece.
Fingers crossed for them X
My heart is going out to you all still waiting but...fivehourssleep ....if you think today has been a long day ...wait for their 1st day in September !....It a looooooong day waiting for them to get home
or meet/stalk them on their way home because they are later than you expected and they are just talking to their new best friends
Yes, sorry armadillo.
It will all work out in the end anyway. Either you'll get what you really wanted in the second round of allocations/off the waiting list or your second choice school will turn out really well. That sounds like a hideous platitude but it's almost certainly true.
But tonight drink some wine and rail against the inadequacy of a system that pretend to promise choice but really offers no such thing.
therontheron Are you in London? I'm using eadmissions.org but they are saying the results won't be released until this evening
Is there any other way than eadmissions.org? Taht's all I'm getting too (that and an opportunity to look at my application...Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr)
Yes I'm planning on a few the typically awkward thing is that our second choice school is DD's first choice, although god only knows why.
Well at least she's happy. That might be the most important thing, actually.
slug - no, I am in Surrey.
Does anyone else suspect that they are holding off telling us until the office is closed for the weekend? i.e. give all the disappointed parents a chance to calm down before they speak to anyone?
The email was in my inbox when I woke up this morning telling me that DD2 has got into her next school. It's an academy upper secondary that we're out of catchment for so we weren't to sure if she would get in although she goes to one of the two feeder schools for it. As she's yr8 if she hadn't have got in she would have had to go to the school in our town in september and be separated from all her friends.
We're a relieved household today.
There's an option called "View the outcome of your application" but its just plain text, not a hotlink or anything. I don't think it was there earlier though...! Oh God, this waiting is awful!
logged on to ours at midnight - got first choice.... didn't really expect not to TBH - in catchment, sibling there, low birth year..... pleased anyhow......
was 2002 a low birth year?
Armadillo - you may consider putting her on the waiting list for the first choice school. I know a number of parents who did that and within a few weeks got their places.
There is always a lot of movement on the waiting list in the first few weeks after 1st March.
I'm Surrey too therontheron, but Surrey is part of the pan-London system so we are waiting with all the London boroughs
Just collected DS from school, all the parents I spoke to were
pretending to be laid back. Apparently the kids were excited in school. DS has just got upset because he wants our 4th choice, which is fine by me but DH is not keen (faith being a factor here). Might be a looonngg night, with a boy.
2002 seems a low birth year over here in the West - our local primary schools have NO full Y6 between them - my DD class is 20 out of 30, the other class 21, the next school along has 23, the other local one has 2 classes of 22 - so I'm guessing a low birth year.....
2001-2002 cohort is part of a general birthrate dip year, afaik.
At 3:20pm rumour emerged that we would get emailed at 3:30 and the email duly arrived exactly then. DD very excited to have got her preference.
Ooh, low birth year might be good for them generally in life ?
I'm going to google and see if I can find a nice graph of stats ...
Yay lljkk, congrats
kravings I will appeal/put her on the list but tbh I have no idea how to!
Armadillo - contact the first choice school on Monday, they will be able to advise. The council cannot do any thing for you (well, not where we live ).
Never lose hope - if you are persistent and build up a rapport with the school admissions office you will be guided well.
I hope all goes well for you.
A low birth year will really help... university places too!
Its good news for younger DC too because they can get sibling places if all goes well today.
Chippy same at my school with the laid back. Even a couple of 'oh is it todays?'
(feeling a bit calmer now btw anyone that remembers )
I have such parents at my DC's school, who act as though its the last thing on their mind - they make me feel like I have just escaped from the Looney toons world when I was bouncing around with pent up fustration on the results day last year !
wordassociationfootball - they are cracking now though - nervy texts flying around!
Just checked the website of our first choice school. All the girls who didn't get a place will automatically be on their waiting list.
Each ability band has it's own waiting list as it has to be an equal mix of all five bands. Do you think they will tell me how far down the list DD is so we know if there is any chance of a place?
Provided they don't use random allocation they should be able to tell you where your daughter is on the waiting list.
Anyone who didn't get the school place they were hoping for should check out this interesting article about what to do next and how to appeal that decision.
There's good advice over on another Mumsnet thread in Secondary education "not happy with the school place given" - you might have to work your way through it a bit but it's not too long (sorry I can't do links
pan london system is now live - good luck everyone!
London outcomes on website. Haven't had email yet but very pleased that we've got our first choice. Hope it goes well for everyone else too.
Yay - we have our first choice (phew) will now open and r-e-l-a-xxxxxxx
DS is following DD to her school - was pretty certain we would get him in, it's just great to see it in black and white!
BTW message on website about you not being able to accept your place until you get the letter?
And the London system didn't crash this time!
Got our 3rd choice. Not surprised frankly, our borough has far fewer places than students
DS has a place at our first (and only) choice. Thank God!
Feel like I've won the lottery! Got our very long-shot 2nd choice, DH and my favourite. No idea how! And that's DC2 and 3 sorted
as long as the sibling rule is maintained.
for me, coke for the DC and to you lot for the support.
Omfcrikey. First. So happy.
Yay Chippy @
We got our second (and youngest) in today, following in his big sister's footsteps
< Breathes a quick sigh of relief before DD's GCSE's the year after next ! >
word association football rugby eton mess
I had forgotten it was today!
I applied with the paper form so need to wait for the letter. Ds2 should get into the school ds1 is at because of sibling link but its out of catchment so not guaranteed but as a low birth rate yr we should be OK.
I had a hustle applying tho as we were in the process of transferring ds1 from one school to the other (yr 9) and he started after the Oct half tern which was after the deadline for applying... Had to do an accompanying letter explaining ds1 would be at the school and including ref details and emails of his transfer etc.
Hopefully it will come in the post tomorrow or Monday, if not will phone the council Monday morning.
So pleased!! DD1 (and PFB) got her first choice! Feels like a weight has been lifted! x
Yay- DS got first choice out of borough place. Very pleased
Our borough says we have to wait until we get the email saying we can log on and that the emails will be rolled out "over the course of the evening". Went live at 5pm, nothing yet. We're tail end of the alphabet so it might be a long night.
Our borough said that too, but I logged in and the offer was there anyway. Have accepted it but not yet got email...
The pan London web-site said that but I still logged on it at 5pm and it gives a link saying view outcome of application and respond - might be worth another try!
Totally in the same boat as you. Very anxious and frustrated with all the messages of results already announced. My good friend and colleague who has gone through the whole same process received her email at around midday today with relief but still trying to process the whole build up! Please put us out of our misery!
Well I just gave it a go and YAY! first choice offer - already accepted and now I can go home from work with a spring in my step knowing I don't have to keep logging in all evening as all the emails come through on my work server.
Hoorah - and fingers crossed for everyone waiting.
3rd choice offer. Buggeroux
Nice work Juggling! word association football rugby eton mess dd's bedroom nervous breakdown AA.
Sorry to here that Quint
Hi word, one more from me ....
In fact make that a for everyone ... surely it's wine O'clock already tonight
Any of you waiting for results from eadmissions.org.uk? My surname starts in a Z?
Thanks, we will be fine. The RC secondaries which were 1st and 2nd on our list are heavily oversubscribed so not sure there is a point on remaining on a list. We do have private offers so not all bad, we were just hoping we would not have to go down that route. <prepares to eat porridge cooked on water for the rest of my life>
midnight log on to the computer so exhausted today but DS got into grammar school - relief all round.
Super. We've had the email saying that the allocation has been made, while the website is saying that they're still being sorted. And it took a good five minutes to say even that.
Well done Herts.
So, you have some options Quint ?
You could become Quakers
what with all that porridge eating and transfer to a nice Quaker school for sixth form (they're still private though so would probs have to keep on with the porridge eating )
Sorry you didn't get what you wanted to see today
I've just noticed that the email saying that the allocation had been made and pointing to the Herts website also contained, um, details of which school DD had actually got. So I didn't need to waste my time trying to get to the site. Oops.
DD got the school we wanted!
I decided not to stay up until midnight as all asleep here. We got an email at 06:16 this morning which gave us first choice school. Most of her friends got first choice as well.
Well done to those happy and chin up to those no happy. If you are still waiting, then fingers crossed.
We are in Surrey and received email about 2 minutes ago.
DC got second choice as expected.
All the kids at DD's school got first choice.
Got our first choice, and so have most of our friends. Many people happily surprised. Feel for those that didn't and hope it works out for you.
We are happy with second choice. We always knew our first choice was very unlikely as we aren't religious but there wasn't any harm in trying
Got NO choices. Not one. Offered school where vast majority fail to pass their GCSEs. Thank goodness we have an indie place!
Schmedz, can you go on waiting lists? Things can move quite a lot in the next few months. Unless you have your heart set on the private school.
Definitely on the waiting lists, but without accepting the offer at the private school place by Monday, that's gone!
Oo, could be expensive. Good luck.
Schmedz We had friends who paid a deposit to secure an offered place at Indie, but then place at DD's school came up for her (was on waiting list), and she ended up starting there with DD. HTH
I guess in the scheme of things losing a modest deposit is not a biggie if you're considering private school.
Many Parents will have woke up this morning with extreme anxiety, I was no exception I felt sick with worry as I would find out what school my son has been given.
I was worried that my youngest son would end up in a school where he knew no one and would be deeply unhappy.
I suppose I was one of the lucky ones, we were given his first choice, but it wasn't in an ideal world my first choice.
Ideally we would live in a leafy picaresque village with a small school that was filled with the best teachers and in the Ofsted report was achieving excellent in every subject and school criteria.
We do not unfortunately live in a place of my dreams where all children get along, bullying doesn't exist and my son comes home each day so happy and loves the idea of going to school.
So this morning no school in my area would live up to what I believe my son deserves , so I wasn't deliriously happy when I opened up the email telling me the fate of my son for the rest of his school years.
I know some parents will have moved areas, lied on there applications, and practically drawn blood to try and get there children into there first of even second choice schools.I really feel for those parents who will have woke up this morning happy enough to be left disheartened and distraught by simply opening an email or a letter in the post.
The sheer thought of the fight to appeal against an organisation that sees your child as a reference number rather than a scared and disappointed child, do they care that your child will be the only one from his or her school year at the school they gave you and expect you to be happy with that?
I think my fear is for selfish reasons I just don't want my baby going to the big bad world of High school.
No more primary school life, weekly assemblies, pumps,instead carrying bags all round a vast school getting lost and been alone unchaperoned by a teacher with 16 year old boys and girls, well young men and women really sharing the same routes as my young naive 10 year old.
In my ideal world he would study from home staying safe from harm and cruel words, would this make him happy?
Maybe at first he would lavish the idea of no school and been content in his own home, It wouldn't be too long before he missed the interaction with other youngsters his own age.
It is down to me to learn the skills and coping mechanisms to have my primary school child take the giant leap into secondary school and help support and guide him with whatever comes his way.
I will just have to put a big brave smile on my face the first time I see him in his uniform on his first day and keep that smile there until at least 8.50 am when the melt down will begin.
If this wasn't hard enough I have to get my children through Stats and GCSE exams and support My eldest son as he leaves high school to start a very adult life at college.
On September 5th the tissues better be ready!
I hope any parents reading this will have breathed a sigh of relief when they opened there placements today and if unfortunately this was not the case just don't give up and fight for the School you deserve.
DDs BFF has got her no 1 choice. We have to wait till Monday to get ours, because we had to do a paper one, and we're not at home today. Really please for DDs friend though, from last year's catchment, she was marginal, we should be fine.
He online allocation notification system does not seem to have any further information on it, other than the fact we have been allocated first choice - nothing about how to accept the place or anything. We should get the snail mail letter today apparently, so will see what that says.
I'm now frightened to death that we need to do something to accept it and I don't know what, and they will give the place to someone else. I need a chill pill!
I thought the same yesterday Manky, so I called the department. Poor woman sounded on her last nerve!
Apparently we will get a letter from the school in the next week, which tells us how to confirm or decline the place.
That's with our LA, Tameside. Others could do it differently of course.
To be fair DD was very happy with the school even though it was our third choice. I think we are fairly laid back about schools and DD picked up in this. There was no choice where I grew up so I simply went to the closest one.
DD is a bright bunny and I'm a qualified teacher so we feel she will probably do well wherever she goes. We were far more anxious about our neighbour who got into her first choice and will be able to take advantage of the fantastic dyslexia support offers.
MissMogwi thank goodness for that, Tameside is my LA.
It's a really odd way to do things isn't it? Apply online, get offer through via email/logging into their system, accept/appeal by snail mail. Really really strange, surely do it all online or all on paper?
Congratulations to everyone who got their first choice and just hang on in there to everyone who didn't and wants a higher positioned school than they've been allocated. There is a lot of movement for all the waiting lists even for highly sought after selective schools.
Yes, I agree about the communication aspects of it all - we are somewhere between a rock and a hard place at this time in technology development. It's okay to submit the form online, find the result out online but you still have to submit a paper form of acceptance. I remember DW being paranoid last year - almost to the point of not trusting the post and hand-delivering it....
The other thing that's not entirely reassuring is that the online application results do not change from the original outcome, even if/when you do get offered and accept a waiting list place somewhere down the line....
Hello! New member (and lurker since this time last year when I went through the same process with my DD)
In my LEA (Lancashire) don't actually need to accept your offer. Quoted from website:
"Offer letters will be issued to all Lancashire resident applicants by second class post on 28 February 2013.
If you applied online, you can view your offer now. If the initial offer is not for your preferred secondary school please wait for your letter to arrive which outlines what to do next.
The majority of Lancashire parents will receive an offer for their preferred secondary school. However, if the initial offer is not for your preferred secondary school please remember that this is the start of the process and that often things change between initial offers and school start dates in September 2013.
The offer letter will contain a form which allows you to request reserve list and appeal information for alternative schools.
There is no requirement for parents to confirm acceptance of an offer with the Local Authority."
Hope this helps!
Realistically speaking, ds is nr 41 on the waiting list, there is no chance is there?
Apparently we have to hand deliver a letter expressing our wishes for the school on Monday morning, to speed the waiting list up ....
It depends PureQuintessence but no - probably not.
The reason I say it depends is that I think you were applying to RC schools in a part of London where lots of children go to private schools? As such, there is the chance that many children holding private school offers will have applied to good RC schools as a backup but when push comes to shove will reject the RC school in favour of their private school offer.
Of course, in this economic climate it can go the other way too and people who get a decent state offer drop a private school offer which they'd love to take but cannot really afford and would only have paid for private school if their state offer had been really terrible.
You can ask the school on Monday perhaps how far down the list they got last year by September and by Christmas (they are obliged to hold lists until at least the end of term 1 in Year 7).
They had nearly 700 applications! Good idea asking them about last years waiting list. As it is for us, we will take up an independent offer if we cannot get either of our top 2 choices. But it will have financial implications as we are by no means rich. We are ok, but not rich.
Still nothing for DD but we accept that we may not know till Monday as we've applied 60 miles away in a 'proper' county.
However, here in South London, I've not heard of anyone getting their first choice yet. Even DD's brightest pal who was dragged from pillar to post all last term taking entrance exams has ended up with her 4th choice, the local Harris.
Schools are such a mess here, with so many primarys carrying a 'bulge' class, and the local Council just putting up plans for building a new 5-form entry secondary due to the pupil forecasts (after they closed two secondaries a few years back).
Hoping that as we've applied elsewhere, the '71% got their first choice' headlines will favour us!
We just got the snail mail confirming his allocated place, and that the head teacher of the school allocated will be in touch soon to give more information.
Whew. It does look like they assume you will accept it as there was no other information on it about confirming the place, unless that comes from the school.
In my LA if you got your first preference, you could accept it online and wouldn't get a letter. But if you wanted to do anything complicated if you didn't get your first preference, like ask for reconsideration at any of your other preferences, you would get a letter in snail mail which you had to return. Luckily for us my DS3 got his first choice. Somehow I've managed to get all 3 boys into the same out of catchment comp with no sibling criteria.
Just to say to those worrying about confirming places - the school cannot whisk your offer away if you don't reply within 24 hours. The Admissions Code says you need to be given reasonable time to accept the place and in most areas that is 2 weeks. You should accept in writing - on the form if they send you one or by email. If for any reason you forgot to accept your place, the admissions authority is obliged to make reasonable efforts to contact you again.
For the sake of those on waiting lists, it is better to accept places as quickly as possible where you plan to do so but don't worry about not having a letter in the post yet.
springlamb - London is awful for getting school choices (or at least parts of it). It is just so competitve. The selective schools have nearly 2000 applicants and the non selective ones have tiny catchments. It is sheer population density. And whilst in theory the government says the good ones can expand if they want to, none of them seem to want to.
Quint Might I ask if your 3rd choice was St RR? or RPA? I know you said you were putting them down the preferences. Interested to hear how the LBRUT preferances panned out?
You will find plenty of the other parents at all private schools around here are not rich, certainly our experience. Just found themselves in the same position as you.
We got our letter this morning and ds2 has a place at our first choice school that ds1 already attends.
Fingers crossed for everyone on waiting lists xxx
And for those who their pfb going off to high school, yes its a bit worrying but not that bad. Ds1 is in yr 9 now and just done gcse options and yes its a worrying time and they are growing up its also an amazing time in their childhood as well and watching the transformation from child to teen to young adult is amazing as a parent.
DS got his first choice - yay! :-)
Enfield finally dropped me an email at 6pm, (an hour earlier than expected). He'll be the 4th generation on his dad's side to go there (St Ignatius), so I reckon they might be keeping a close eye on him! They must be gluttons for punishment!
Congrats to all who got their own way and commiserations to those who didn't - I think the low birth year means that their might be more successful appeals this time, hopefully...
Not looking forward to going through all this with DD, who was born in a VERY high birth year!
Copthall, our third choice was neither of those, but the school which S RR got its head from.... So the choice now stands between Emanuel, Ibs and our allocated state school. (Many in ds class got s RR, so wonder if there is something politically in it, "you asked for it, you got it, so now go there!" We live quite far away though, in the next borough east of Ibs, which made it harder)
We will have some tough discussions, but leaning towards Emanuel, giving their ethos and sibling policy. ...
Quint, we can share porridge and water recipes for the next 6 years...
Postman finally dilly dallied his way along at 2.00ish. DS and I sneaked the letter away to check if we needed to be in 'make the best of a bad job' mode. We did not, so carefully resealed the envelope and presented it.
DD got first choice and is over the moon. In fact, she shouted so loudly DS promptly fell over and I thought we'd end up celebrate in A & E.
However, DD appears to be 1 of only 2 in her class to get their first choice. Very odd and not reflective of national news, or this thread, at all.
So glad I haven't got to go through this again!
Good luck to all.
My daughter has been allocated a place at a horrible school where NOBODY wants to go to... hence there are vacancies. We had SIX schools on our list but she obviously didn't get into any of them. And now??? Well I declined the offer immediately and I will put her on the waiting list of all of them. I'd love to know if anyone has appealed for a place. Is there a chance to appeal if the schools selected provides a subject in the curriculum that no other school offers and that is particularly suited to my daughter abilities. I am referring here to a language ...her mother tongue.
springlamb - Your post made me laugh. I imagined a poor little DS aged about 2 falling over backwards in surprise as his big sister shouted. But then you said you wouldn't have to go through it again so DS must actually be about 13!
julishka - The advice is never reject an offer unless you have another school to go to. Especially not at this stage - you don't even know where you are on the waiting lists yet. You might be number 3 (good news, offer expected sometime in April) or you might be number 43 (not good news, possibly never going to get an offer). If you haven't already rejected it, please leave it open until you see where you stand. The worst case scenario is that you are low on the waiting lists, don't win an appeal and then have no place at all for September.
You listed 6 schools but you did not qualify for any of them - probably because you live too far away or because you don't meet their other criteria (eg if any have faith or feeder school priority). Did you list your local school or a school you felt sure you'd easily get an offer at? If so ask the council to double check they have you in the right category and are using the correct address to measure from. If you didn't apply for a very local school then it looks like none of the others could accept you and the council had to find you a place from all of those leftover.
You can appeal on the grounds you say - a language no other school offers. Your chances of success depend on how well the school convinces the panel that they really cannot take one more student and on how well you show the panel that only this school will meet your child's needs and interests. Statistically more appeals fail than succeed but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try.
In the meantime though, give serious thought to accepting the offer made. You are not more likely to win an appeal or move up a list just because you have rejected your only offer - in fact appeal panels frown on this kind of thing as it can be seen as trying to force their hand. And if you don't get a good alternative between now and September, the council is not obliged to find anywhere else for you. As far as they're concerned you have had an offer. If they do agree to look again for you, it is likely you'll get a similar standard school but just further away.
I accepted DS1's place online (and got a confirmation email), but I also got a letter this morning with a response orm to sign. I don't really understand why (the LEA said I wouldn't get a letter at all as I'd opted for online applications). Do I need to fill it in and post it back, or will the online acceptance be OK?
Since they've sent it out Arbitrary personally I'd send it back completed, but I'm sure your on-line acceptance will be fine anyway. I've accepted on-line and got a slightly vague confirmation email in return (we will process your response )
But if I look at our original application list of three schools on the web-page the one we've accepted does now say "Place accepted by parent" - so I think that's good enough for me.
I would quite like either an email or letter but nothing personal has arrived yet !
Anyway, I'm happy enough
Tiggytape - he's 18 actually and about to take A levels. He has cerebral palsy and is a bit wobbly on his feet!
In fact, this is my one and only time of secondary transfer. DS went to a 3-16 special school and as he said this morning - 'the only worry with me was whether I'd remember to turn left at the bottom of the ramp instead of going straight on to primary'.
I was very ill-equipped when this journey began with school visits last September, which is why I am so damn pleased it's done now.
Sending strength to those who need to continue the journey over the coming weeks.
DS got 2nd choice it is a good school Dh is happy DS knew it would be 2nd choice as he had not scored high enough for 1st choice..
We will appeal but I supose at least we have a school we are happy with.
His cousin was thrilled as He went there and loved it.
Dd got her first choice (RC convent) and ds2 (they are twin) got his second choice, which I think Quintessence is possibly the one you wanted and didn't get. Our school is so close, that everyone gets into it from here. As an ironic consequence of it being easy to get into it is usually not the top of the list (places like Oratory and Vaughan are).
So Quintessence if what you are worried about not getting a place at a school beginning with G, there will be places off waiting list, as places open up quite soon, when some people get into their first choice after all. Ds2 has his first choice at a Protestant school round corner, which he won't get into except off waiting list (his brother is at G already, but ds2 has some SNs so school round corner more suitable)
So it is a crazy rubric's cube!
So watch this space, if ds2 gets his first choice another place at G will open up for Mini*Quintessence*. PS we are v happy for him to go there, just first choice EVEN better for his needs.
Ah, that's a sweet comment from your DS springlamb about how it was easier for him
We had a bit of interesting news yesterday. We were working out that DDs first choice school has 5 ability bands and that she could be anywhere from 1-88th on waiting list for whatever band she's in. Sort of resigned ourselves to 2nd choice which is still a great school. Then we found out that the headteacher who has been there for 20 years who oversaw the change from indie to academy is leaving in the summer.
She was a big part of why we all liked the school so much happier with second choice now
inthewildernessbuild - thanks for the tip! I had not considered anybody would turn down places at the Vaughn or the Oratory, thus freeing up places at G ....
Is it true that I have to hand deliver a letter of interest on Monday morning?
I should add, there is another pressure on the waiting lists as so many in our borough has been given the new st RR, even though it has been very low down on some preference lists. I imagine the waiting lists for G therefore is quite full of children who really want G!
springlamb - I am really sorry. My comment in that case was totally out of order, you had painted such a lovely picture and it had made me chuckle but now I know the background, I feel awful and am very sorry. My DD has a mobility and other problems and we too are super anxious about the time approaching when she'll have to go to secondary school. Still haven't figured out how that is going to work.
Quint, sorry it hasn't worked out for you in the first round. What's your experience of the RR effect? From my perspective (out past the other side of LBRuT), it has changed the usual admission pattern hugely, and we have been offered StM. This is the first time in many years, afaik, that offers have extended out so far in our direction.
Fingers crossed for you.
Chippy Pure Has St RR really changed the admissions patterns for other Catholic Schools that much? Only 67 families made it first preference, and that includes out of borough applicants. At least 4 non Catholic families have been offered it even though they didn't include it in their preferences so it is clearly undersubscribed. Surely if Richmond Catholic families were continuing to make the out of borough schools like G and St Ms first preference, as presumably around 150 must have done then they would have the same chances of success as previous years, and the patterns wouldn't change that much. The Diocese wouldn't have a mechanism to implement ^ you asked for it, you got it, so now go there!^ or do they?
I am sure you can detect why I am especially interested <will be waving to littlequints friends every morning if they go there, hope they are nice and don't drop litter in my garden>
copthall Many of littlequints friends live near RPA, and know what a nuisance rubbish dropping teens, who scratch the sides of cars and rip side mirrors off as they go along, is, so hopefully they will behave.
<runs and hides>
copthall - I should think that shift of 67 to RR has made just enough difference to give us a shot at StM. We are not in LBH or LBRuT, but live in one of the deanery that get a small % of places. Residents of the LBRuT parts of the deanery usually get those places, as they are nearer to the school than the Surrey parts.
Do you think many of the Richmond Catholic applicants have been given "no" from the popular out of borough secondaries, such as G, CVMS and the O, on the basis of us now having an in-borough Catholic secondary? (I am out of borough btw)
There's no way that could happen because of the equal preference system.
But the pressure on RC places must have been taken off a little because of the new school.
Chippy Sounds like my torn off wing mirror is your gain, glad it worked out for you.
Have you got the secondary school angst or taking an interest because of RR?
I am at the other end of the secondary angst, one in 6th, one in uni but the initial angst enough to trigger an interest in improving the situation for those that follow.... and also a local interest in RR, as Sara Palin would say "of course I take an interest, I can see it from my house"
Copthall, argh, I cannot express myself. The kids at ds' school are complaining about this sort of behavior, which is why they are likely to refrain from it, I meant.
Pure My tongue was firmly in cheek Actually it's my geraniums I am worried about, and the mothers in their 4 by 4s, if the road outside St James's at morning drop off is the shape of things to come for our surrounding roads
Hey (been lurking, ready for next year - yikes)
This thread has made it into the Sunday Times!!!
There was an article on secondary school places and writer said she just had to read the thread on about it on mumsnet
so who is she
For those of you in Richmond - I don't suppose any of you know what the cut off distance was for GreyCourt?
Snowball Not yet but I am sure you will find it will be on the New Schools For Richmond thread as soon as any information is known. RISC are aiming to compile as much information as possible on how the allocations have panned out as part of their new aim to hold the Council accountable for it's forecasts. It looks as though for instance Twickenham Academy has filled up on allocations as nearby parents who didn't get their preferences were offered the more distant St RR. Are you involved in this round or thinking ahead, if the latter LBRUT will have accurate allocation maps nearer the time (this rounds allocation maps were of course not accurate since they were based on a round dictated by links).
For information this is what is known about preferences cabnet.richmond.gov.uk/documents/s24966/Appendix%20A.pdf As you can see Greycourt was not oversubscribed on first preference but was popular further down the preferences which suggests it will have had a catchment this year.
Quint - Is it worth Appealing? We found out just before xmas we didnt get our first (and only) choice for DS and he was number 36 on the waiting list (we are out of catchment!) but we appealed and he was offered a place in Feb x
we now have 4 years to sell our crap house and move nearer to schools!
I dont think there is a point appealing for us, the school we got is a Faith school, was our third choice, and there were nearly 700 applications for our second choice, where we are nr 41 on the waiting list, and 5 miles away from....
Glad it worked out for you, Julezboo! Good luck with the move....
Holy crap my OP was quoted
I would be interested in reading the whole article but don't have a subscription. Hey ho.
1st Time on mumsnet ,so please be apologies in advance.
Last year,I applied for 2 schools Graveney in Wandsworth and Dunraven in Lambeth.I did not get in, those were the only 2 choices i put down.I was then allocated St Gabes in Lambeth which i rejected and then the local authority tried to allocate me Stockwell which when i phoned the school to reject the offer had no record of dd,so i asked for it in writing.I appealed to both Dunraven and Graveney schools and won the appeal for Dunraven.I also did a very very late application (JUNE) for Chestnut Grove and she got in,as i pointed out that i was aware that all the specialist Art places had not been filled but the next day i got a letter saying i had won the Dunraven appeal.At my appeal I also stated that I was aware of the FAIR ACCESS RULE /LAW.Its complicated and risky and works better for secondary school places than primary.
Quintessence just replying here in case anyone can correct me, but my assumption is that unless you ask to be removed from the waiting list you are automatically on it, for any application which was HIGHER PREFERENCE in your original list for Pan London. I would check with your local admissions team and G though. It is not like a private school where you can register a special interest; I think any free spaces which come up for waiting list have to be allocated in a formal way in turn to each deanery. They advise you to accept the place you might not want, but you are STILL on a waiting list for your preferred school. The letter from your local authority should make this clear.
I am ringing up our first choice tomorrow to check we are automatically on waiting list, just in case, so I need to find this out too!
That's definitely not automatic in my LA. You have to send a form back to the LA asking if you want to be reconsidered by any or all higher preference schools (which takes place after acceptances or rejections have been received by early April) and then have to apply to each school if academy or the LA if community school to go on their waiting lists after start of April. For my DS1 I happily accepted the 3rd choice school and declined to be reconsidered or go on waiting lists as the others were long shots and I wanted an end to the uncertainty.
No idea what your local policy may be, but safest not to assume anything.
It used to be 12 o'clock lunchtime that they sent the e-mails in Herts. They've obviously changed it to 5pm because the admissions office was deluged.
Guess it allows time for the dust to settle.
Thanks. I know last years for GC but Kingston sent out the cut off distances with offer letters, was just wondering if Richmond did. I'll give them a call tomorrow re waiting lists
In the PAN London situation, yes, you automatically go onto the waiting list for every school higher than the one you have been offered, and you stay there even after you accept the offer that has been made to you. there is soime cut off date after school starts, after which you have to notify schools that you wish to remain on the waiting list.
At this stage you can also put yourself on to the waiting lists of schools you didn't apply to on the first place.
There is always loads of movement over the next few months and even through the summer.
Do all counties LEAs send e-mails? I've just got back from being away for a few days and haven't got an e-mail and can't log in to the online system (it just says my password is wrong and that it will send a reminder but I've asked for one three times and it's generated nothing). I'm pretty confused.
Blu and Quint I was just looking at the Hounslow Secondary brochure pdf (of which the school I mentioned is part), and it does seem to say that Faith schools manage their waiting lists in their own way. Whereas in Ealing (my borough) it says the stuff about higher pref being automatically kept on back burner. So please check Quint.
Monday is going to be a day of frantic phonecalls for most people isn't it, I pity admissions teams
OP - you are famous! Your thread title is in today Sunday Times!
Musicsavedmylife, thanks for your interesting post. This sounds like the situation I am in now. Had six choices and was allocated a completely different one. I had to reject immediately. I know this school well enough to be definite...no way. Now I will have to run around and put my daughter on waiting lists and launch appeals. How can you find out if all the specialist places have been allocated. My daughter did so many tests (art ,language, LA...) poor girl. One language test where she had to work out the patterns of an alien language...so strange. She is fantastic in observational drawing and bilingual. The whole process has been exhausting and I must say I am slightly traumatised.
dancergirl are you able to cut and paste the article please?
Thanks, but because it's subsciption only I can only read the first few lines. Never mind
The article isn't that exciting really as it's essentially about appeals and employing specialists to help you win them.
chippyminton i just hope this is okay!
Sunday Times article
As 10 and 11-year-olds nationwide waited anxiously last Friday to hear whether theyd be starting at the secondary school of their choice in September, their mothers gathered online.
Feeling a bit queasy now anyone else want to sit and sweat it out with me? one anxious mother posted on the online parenting forum Mumsnet as the hours ticked down to National Offer Day, when local authorities announce the secondary school places.
Slowly news of the winners and losers trickled through. Some parents could check their emails as the clocked ticked past midnight on Thursday but others had to wait until 7.30pm on Friday. Thats just evil, posted another mum.
With the waiting finally over, those left without a place at their preferred school this weekend must now decide whether to appeal against the decision. Parents have a right of appeal to an independent panel, made up of between three and five members of the public.
According to Matt Richards of the education consultancy schoolappeals.com, parents should always consider challenging a school or local councils decision, in spite of the lengthy quasi-legal battle they face.
Richards is part of a booming industry of experts and websites charging parents for advice and encouraging them to believe that they can take on their council and win. Such services include tips on how to contest the decision as well as access to advisers who will research the case, write a statement and even accompany parents to hearings, at a cost of anything from £50 to £2,000.
Richards, who expects to work with about 600 families this year (at £90 for the first hour), says that one in three appeals is successful nationwide and that with expert advice the rate can be improved.
His advice to disappointed families this weekend is to think of your appeal like your GCSE maths or driving test: you need to do hours and hours of preparation.
The key to success, he says, is to assemble a solid case as to why that school, and only that school, is the right one for your child.
I have one child on my books who is passionate about engineering. He is 11 but he wants to be an engineer like his dad. The school he wants has an engineering club and excellent science facilities, which he wants to be part of. That is a reason for appealing, says Richards.
If your child is good at languages and you want to get them into a languages specialist school, thats a reason for appealing. But just saying my child is bright and so she needs a great school is not enough.
The second line of attack is to show that the the problems caused to the child by not being admitted would be greater than the problem caused to the school if it admitted an extra pupil.
Paul Courtman-Stock, a business consultant, remembers feeling worried this time last year when his daughter Rebeccas application to Hertfordshire and Essex High School in Bishops Stortford was turned down. Instead she was offered a place at a school further away. The family enlisted the help of William Allen, of my-herts-school-place.com, challenged the decision and won. Rebecca is now in her first year at Hertfordshire and Essex.
Rebeccas friends from the small primary school they had all attended had won places at Herts and Essex high school, explains Courtman-Stock. At the other school she would not have had friends in her first year, which would have been stressful for her. Also she is a bright child and we had chosen a school to optimise her learning potential. Using an adviser helped the family take the emotion out of our argument, he says.
Sometimes, however, the process can be much longer and more contentious. Louise Flower and her husband, of Wilmington, East Sussex, spent several months and thousands of pounds fighting for a place for their youngest daughter, Indira, 5, at Alfriston School. They initially consulted a solicitor before turning to John Chard, of schoolappeals.org.uk, for advice.
Indiras sister, Lorrie, had recently transferred to the school from another primary, where she had been unhappy, but Indiras application for a place at Alfriston to start last September was unsuccessful. Primary class sizes are capped at 30 pupils, which can make appealing against rejection harder than at secondary-school level. Nonetheless, the family persisted.
Ooh, great beginning to that article everyone !
BTW We had a proper snail-mail letter come through the door today with a reply slip to return, so was happy to do that too, even though I'd already accepted online on Friday. Best to be sure I thought.
Sorry for anyone who's not got what they wanted and good luck for waiting lists and appeals.
Just waiting to find out which primary DNiece will be starting at now ....
Phew. DD2 got her no 1 choice. Worth the wait!
Well. The plot thickens. I phoned the council yesterday to find out how to put DD on the waiting list for our first choice, I had to leave a message, today I receive a phone call from the council saying that DD has been offered a place at first choice school and a letter went out yesterday!! I have no idea how or why but I'm over the bloody moon!
ooh, will be nice to get the letter Armadillo
Hope that works out for you all, sounds good !
That's a fast-moving waiting list Armadillo
Armadillo - it probably means she must have been high on the waiting list and got offered a place as some one else rejected theirs.
So pleased for you.
Whatever it means I'm very pleased as well. Can't believe it!
one in three appeals is successful nationwide and that with expert advice the rate can be improved. from the Sunday Times article. How can that possibly be true? I was looking at some table about the number of applications and appeals at oone local school or borough, and less than 10% of appeals were successful. And if appeals were more than 33% sucessful, popular schools would be more than a third over capacity!
I mean, good luck to everyone who is appealing, but that article mainly reads as an ad for Mr £90 per hour. that appealing will now apprantly be yet another arena in which those that can fund a £90 per hour expert can leapfrog others. But that MN has it's very own experts, prh47bridge, Admissions and PanelChair who give extremely generous tips and support for free. Ongoing to them!
Have to add to all the admissions guys and gals. There's more than the 3 fantastic posters named above. I feel very fortunate that I don't actually need them as I was expecting to have to appeal this time around for DS3.
well, am very relieved dd got a place at our local high school, by all accounts it is oversubscribed this year and the waiting list is 80+ long.
I just got a letter from out allocated school, confirming the place and asking for us to send a tear off slip back to them to confirm the place by Friday!
I'm now flapping - do I send it first class and get proof of posting, or recorded delivery?
How about Tracked? It's cheaper than recorded, and you can check on line when it's been delivered. It doesn't feel as obsessive either.
not that I've done that with all my paper work, oh no
Thanks jennybeadle, I'll do that!
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