the school that must remain nameless

(87 Posts)
gingeroots Thu 08-Nov-12 22:12:03

This is getting silly .
What on earth was libelious this time ?

SminkoPinko Thu 08-Nov-12 22:14:08

unbelievable.

SminkoPinko Thu 08-Nov-12 22:14:54

So much for free speech,eh?

TalkinPeace2 Thu 08-Nov-12 22:21:28

not Quantitative Easing again!

when I posted every day on ebay, a large alternate website had to be known as "the Big River" to stop our posts being deleted!!

gingeroots Thu 08-Nov-12 22:23:09

I guess discussion is not permissable .

But all this monitoring and heavy handed censorship creates a very bad impression .

gingeroots Thu 08-Nov-12 22:25:33

An impression that secrecy is required and that there are things that need hiding .
And it's counter productive as it attracts attention and wets the appetite for information .

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delphie Thu 08-Nov-12 23:18:02

Chickens you are not the first person who I have heard describe TSWMNBN as a cult

Alonglongway Thu 08-Nov-12 23:22:45

Lol...does this mean I have to take the badge off DD's blazer....

TimeChild Fri 09-Nov-12 07:38:43

TSWMNBN is kidding itself if it thinks that deleting threads will shut MNetter up!

DeWe Fri 09-Nov-12 09:27:50

Voldemort's school?

blindworm Fri 09-Nov-12 09:45:27

Maybe this cult practices brainwashing...

nkf Fri 09-Nov-12 09:47:09

???

sue52 Fri 09-Nov-12 10:01:51

Maybe their migraine inducing website contains sublinimal messages.

sue52 Fri 09-Nov-12 10:02:57

subliminal

nkf Fri 09-Nov-12 10:06:24

What is this thread about? Just a hint.

blindworm Fri 09-Nov-12 10:11:48

I'll dm you nkf

Durmstrang?

nkf Fri 09-Nov-12 10:14:55

Thank you.

PrincessSymbian Fri 09-Nov-12 10:17:28

Is this computer virus related? What happened? Was reading that thread last night. Pm please?

kerrygrey Fri 09-Nov-12 10:25:58

Would the name of a female Saxon monarch come into this somewhere?

PrincessSymbian Fri 09-Nov-12 10:29:16

It's something to do with a school in dulwich...

gingeroots Fri 09-Nov-12 10:31:05

sssh princesssymbian that'll be enough to make this thread go pooff.

PrincessSymbian Fri 09-Nov-12 11:05:14

But surely there are a lot of schools in dulwich?

Erebus Fri 09-Nov-12 18:51:34

Um- absolutely new to this thread but intrigued! Am I right in thinking a certain school is threatening MN with a libel action so MN is pulling threads on it?

And incidentally- I got it via 'the hints' and realise I spend too much time on MN that I have even heard of it grin

Arisbottle Fri 09-Nov-12 18:53:37

I am intrigued, someone let me know

Roseformeplease Fri 09-Nov-12 18:55:53

Me too, please let me know.

JackieLanaTurn Fri 09-Nov-12 18:56:06

Help me please?? What school is this? I've googled school and you know where, but am none the wiser! I hate to be the one left in the dark!

gingeroots Fri 09-Nov-12 20:09:31

have messaged erebus ,arisbottle ,roseformeplease ,jackielanaturn .

member Fri 09-Nov-12 20:14:14

Could you pm me please? And where do I get the backstory?

gingeroots Fri 09-Nov-12 20:58:30

have pm'd

member Fri 09-Nov-12 21:03:05

Thankyou! Am shock

lizziebach Fri 09-Nov-12 21:10:45

Can someone tell me please? I tried googling but came up with nothing confused

mumwithtwokids Fri 09-Nov-12 21:30:34

Me too!!

crazyscientist87 Fri 09-Nov-12 21:35:28

Is this related to another thread that has been pulled? I have absolutely no idea what you are all talking about but am intrigued...

mumwithtwokids Fri 09-Nov-12 21:37:32

Thanks gingeroots! OMG shock

ravenAK Fri 09-Nov-12 21:47:45

I like them with relish & gherkins, myself.

CaroleService Fri 09-Nov-12 21:48:00

Me! Me! tellMe!

lizziebach Fri 09-Nov-12 21:54:38

thanks for PMing me

Ohhelpohnoitsa Fri 09-Nov-12 21:58:12

oh please pm me someone. got grizzly half awake babe. need a good thread, not much in active conversations.

Ohhelpohnoitsa Fri 09-Nov-12 21:59:17

oh please pm me someone. got grizzly half awake babe. need a good thread, not much in active conversations.

Please PM me, if this is what I think it is then it's the same place that recently gave a giant payout to someone due to legal issues that noone's allowed to talk about...

Thanks for PMs, not the same place after all!

ProphetOfDoom Fri 09-Nov-12 22:36:55

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ProphetOfDoom Fri 09-Nov-12 22:37:48

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flossyfloo Fri 09-Nov-12 22:43:10

Ooh, can I get a PM too please?

pm for me too please!

ProphetOfDoom Fri 09-Nov-12 23:07:46

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MsAverage Fri 09-Nov-12 23:11:44

Gosh, it's a business opportunity. Everyone who pays into my account a tenner will receive a comprehensive set of explanations including links to original content.

Alonglongway Fri 09-Nov-12 23:37:49

Lol MsAverage - can I pay £20 and get the inside track on other important stories of the day?

havinganightmare Sun 11-Nov-12 06:59:18

Think I know but can someone please pm me.??i want to find out more about this lot as friend has child there and I'm worried....

Elibean Sun 11-Nov-12 18:04:00

confused?!? <wails> I never know whats going on in these threads

hatsybatsy Mon 12-Nov-12 10:47:45

PM me please -if any Dulwich school is behaving in this way then I must cross it off our potential secondary schools list right now.........

gingeroots Mon 12-Nov-12 11:13:22

Behaving in what way hatsybatsy ?

Obviously not clear thinking to disregard a school on basis of internet discussion .
You need to visit and make other enquiries to form a valid opinion .

NotQuintAtAllOhNo Mon 12-Nov-12 11:16:08

Somebody please pm me as we are applying for secondaries for 2013 entry

gingeroots Mon 12-Nov-12 11:18:28

Hasn't the deadline for applications already passed NotQuint ?

NotQuintAtAllOhNo Mon 12-Nov-12 11:30:48

Yes, but because we applying to both state and independent sector we still have a real choice until March.

hatsybatsy Mon 12-Nov-12 11:43:50

ginger roots - thanks for your help hmm - I am fully aware how to choose a school. I have no desire to send my kids to any school that is so precious abot its reputation that it tries to censor some online opinions. I would never disregard a school on the basis of those opinions, but the desire to censor them worries me.

notcitrus Mon 12-Nov-12 11:50:20

I'm just fascinated by it all as it's near me but ds is only applying for primary this year.
Though at this rate exam results might not be available until we are applying for secondary...

BanoffeeSplitz Mon 12-Nov-12 13:36:12

Worth mentioning that it may not just be about censoring opinions - sometimes online discussion accidentally identifies individuals.

If it's the school I think it is, there's plenty of uncensored online discussion going on.

Frontpaw Mon 12-Nov-12 13:37:45

Did it begin with an E?

blindworm Mon 12-Nov-12 13:43:26

No, Frontpaw. Ends with an E though.
If the school you're thinking of is the right one BanoffeeSplitz, there is plenty of uncensored discussion going on, but why should there be censorship at all? I agree that posts that identify individuals are inappropriate, but the posts that are being censored are perfectly innocent.

Frontpaw Mon 12-Nov-12 13:46:34

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blindworm Mon 12-Nov-12 13:56:10

No one is saying that Frontpaw - though I'm about ready to start spreading rumours!

Frontpaw Mon 12-Nov-12 13:58:04

If you want any juicy ones, I'm your woman!

MouseThatRoars Mon 12-Nov-12 14:09:29

We are also looking at secondary schools in Duwich. Can someone pm me please?

MouseThatRoars Mon 12-Nov-12 14:25:43

Thanks blindworm

FourTables Mon 12-Nov-12 14:30:15

I keep seeing these threads and then a couple of days later they get deleted. I wasn't bothered to know what was going on until all the mystery! Can anyone do a vague-as-necessary rundown on any of it???

Blu Mon 12-Nov-12 16:30:05

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blindworm Mon 12-Nov-12 16:35:11

It wasn't the teachers who made the investigation public though? It was reported on Channel 4 and in the Guardian which was what attracted the attention. Unless I missed something? I was aware there had been teachers on here and other forums but I thought that was after the Channel 4 piece.

TalkinPeace2 Mon 12-Nov-12 16:37:22

Blu
not publishing 2012 full GCSEs - quite a few schools have not - particularly those that were hit hard by the English paper
they will get published in January by the DFe regardless of what a school tries to do.

Sadly the whole Academy programme is a disaster waiting to happen in terms of accountability of public funds

youwillobey Mon 12-Nov-12 16:46:37

Can someone PM me the school? Really confused. I'm always the last to know! (and usually never know) sad

TalkinPeace2 Mon 12-Nov-12 16:47:51

I don't know and frankly unless one is in the area choosing a secondary school, don't care

LynetteScavo Mon 12-Nov-12 16:49:22

No, I am the last to know!

What are you all on about??

Someone please PM me (I get ridiculously excited when I get a PM grin)

blindworm Mon 12-Nov-12 16:51:25

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LynetteScavo Mon 12-Nov-12 16:59:05

OK, found another thread about it.

Blu Mon 12-Nov-12 17:02:04

Am regretting a summary now.

The original thing became internet public - but deleted, understandably and IMO rightly - ages and ages, possibly a year or more, before the paper and TV were involved.

Exactly - many schools have not yet published 2012 GCSE results, there could be many reasons for not doing so in advance of the DfE, innocent, forgetful, deliberate with good reason, deliberate with less helpful reason...who knows - but people have been asking.

Really - if it is a school you might live near enough to attend you will know, and if you don't you don't need to know. Never was the phrase 'won't somebody think of the children' more apt!

blindworm Mon 12-Nov-12 17:10:05

Sorry if I gave you the third degree there Blu - didn't mean it to come across like that. Wasn't aware of it having been made public so long ago.

Blu Mon 12-Nov-12 17:15:31

no, no, not you, blindworm - just that clearly summaries beget detail, detail will lead to.....you know were-----wooooOOOOO <<spirals to oblivion>> grin

StockwellLiving Mon 12-Nov-12 17:17:17

Why can't we just say its Kingsdale?

blindworm Mon 12-Nov-12 17:18:25

Well done, StockwellLiving.
Because the thread will be deleted. Like all the Kingsdale threads are.

StockwellLiving Mon 12-Nov-12 17:20:30

But there is a parallel Kingsdale thread to this one which has not been deleted.

I guess I'm missing something.

Surely its not libelous to say: "Kinsdale always complain about threads and ask for them to be deleted since they are libelous".

That's just true!

blindworm Mon 12-Nov-12 17:23:59

You wouldn't think so. But you also wouldn't think it was libellous to share your opinion without naming teachers or unfairly defaming the school.
But apparently it is, so I think they may be working from a different set of laws to the rest of us.

Blu Mon 12-Nov-12 17:40:37

MN have now refined the reaction to deletion of posts rather than threads.

But confusion reigns about the nature of the posts that were deleted.

Disclaimer: The following question is theoretical and bears no relation to any living individual and no animals were harmed in the making of this post.

On MN I see many many threads discussing many schools and people asking for feedback on impressions from Open Days and for opinions from current parents. I have seen detailed critique - critical and complimentary - of the Heads' (not named, just called 'the head') speeches. They are part of the normal way parents talk to each other about schools. Is it libellous to pass on your impression of an event which is publicly available and aimed at a public audience? If not, how on earth do we ever have film and theatre reviews of actors, for example? Is it libellous to allege, for example, that in my opinion 'Claire Danes' use of the widened eye in Homeland is becoming ludicrous, does she have no other expresssion?'.

Is it libellous to say 'my child had this experience at this, shall we say, swimming club, and it wasn't for us so we have moved to another one'?

Is it libellous to say 'I was unhappy working at Royal Bank of Spotland because of the pressure, but now at Republican Piggy Bank I feel valued'? (Although I can see that there could be contractual issues re talking about your employer - bit those are different from libel).

If someone's opinion can be libellous shouldn't complimentary comments be deleted too?

FWIW, I don't think rumour, innuendo and non-evidenced gossip is acceptable and we have Newsnight as chief witness on that one.

Blu Mon 12-Nov-12 17:41:27

StockwellLiving - what did you do about your admissions dilemma in the end?

gingeroots Mon 12-Nov-12 18:49:32

Blu - this is one definition I found from a quick google

^an untruth about another which will do harm to that person or his/her reputation, by tending to bring the target into ridicule, hatred, scorn or contempt of others.
it must be a statement which claims to be fact, and is not clearly identified as an opinion^
legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/libel

the tending to bring bit is pretty broad ,but the untruth v.opinion isn't .

still I expect any legal bod worth their salt can make it more complicated .

BoundandRebound Mon 12-Nov-12 21:51:27

I have a very happy child at Kingsdale and I am delighted with the school and his experience there

I am sad it has become the subject of endless online gossip and speculation, and repeated negative comments as "facts" when are just repeated gossip. I think Blu has offered a good summary.

I don't think Kingsdale is perfect but its doing very well by my very happy child and the condemnation is hard to stomach, as I said on the thread with the Kingsdale title it's like people are telling me that I'm wrong to be happy and my child is going to fail.

I can share negative stories and gossip about many schools, I work in education, but I won't because it can do nothing but damage reputations and hurt students so I'm going to channel my inner Thumper instead

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