Wandsworth Test Results

(101 Posts)
gazzalw Mon 06-Feb-12 18:59:43

DS got 95% in his WT today - we are very proud of him but gather this won't be enough to get him a place at Graveney sad....

Blu Mon 06-Feb-12 19:38:00

Oh, well done gazza junior!
It might on a waiting list - I think I have heard 96% quoted as a magic number? Or maybe it was 96% that my friend's child got, but no place...

It's bloody tough, isn't it?

gazzalw Mon 06-Feb-12 20:40:12

Thanks Blu....not holding out too much hope but who knows..... Just as well it's only 4th choice!!!!

It seems ridiculous with such a seemingly good score it's not good enough....heyho.....!

Blu Mon 06-Feb-12 21:09:10

Really really sorry gazza, of course you are proud of him, it's a fantastic score, and so frustrating because you know that really apart from a supersonically computer-minded kid, any variation of a few % points is luck of the day, and it could easily go one or two points one way or the other.

I'm sure you will get a grammar place, but it would have been nice to have peace of mind of that choice as insurance.

Keep biting those nails!

gazzalw Mon 06-Feb-12 21:23:46

Chewed down already.....!

It was his last test and think he'd passed the point of caring anyway! Lots of his classmates did the WT so we'll see how they did - would be nice if one scored the elusive 98% and got a place (as there are some who didn't pass their 11+ and are feeling very despondent as are their parents....)

It would just be interesting to see exactly how the Bell Curve works for the WT!!!!

Bethnella Tue 07-Feb-12 06:47:45

Did the primary school give you the results?

gazzalw Tue 07-Feb-12 07:25:54

no, phoned up on 0208 871 7316

Bethnella Tue 07-Feb-12 07:59:40

Thanks, interesting to see.

animula Tue 07-Feb-12 08:54:37

I think it must look pretty good for a grammar place, though, gazzalw. I know children who scored lower than that and were offered their first choice grammar. smile

KandyBarr Tue 07-Feb-12 09:57:51

It's not impossible - waiting list places certainly went to 96% two years ago. Good luck to your DS - a nailbiting time!

gazzalw Tue 07-Feb-12 16:12:09

Thank you for all your kind words and encouraging to get your positive feedback...

Does anyone know of anyone who scored over 98% - even one of DS's classmates who is a superbrain 'only' got 97.5%!!!!

Don't forget to join us on the 1st March thread for winewinewine!!!

basildonbond Tue 07-Feb-12 19:35:40

We know several children (mainly girls, but a couple of boys too) who got 100% last year. The test score only gets you a place if you're out of catchment, it doesn't guarantee a place in extension btw

CarrieAnnRegardless Tue 07-Feb-12 19:41:33

What do they do if more applicants than there are 'selective' places get 100%?

gazzalw Tue 07-Feb-12 20:57:19

Do you think that ever happens - presumably that is unlikely????

Thought the whole point was that Graveney makes its own mind up about levels anyway.....WT result/SATS result/HT report and don't they do a test 1/2 term into Yr 7?

gazzalw Wed 08-Feb-12 17:36:32

One of DS's classmates got 99.3%!!! She assuredly is guaranteed a place!

Balhamum Thu 09-Feb-12 20:36:03

If they got too many 100%s they would choose the closest ones. That is what happens as they go down the numbers - if they have 10 places left and 15 kids who got 97% then it is the 10 closest who scored 97%
that get places.
Its a heartbreaker isn't it, my son got 91% so no chance for him..........

gazzalw Thu 09-Feb-12 21:36:42

Sorry to hear that Balham Mum - was it your DS's first choice?

Presumably a score of 90something % would put them in the top band though for any Wandsworth schools (apart from Graveney???)

bizzey Fri 10-Feb-12 13:22:44

Hello i am new ,hope i can join in..? Gazzalw thank you for the phone number..i got ds1 result scores..not percentage.. do i have to work that bit out myself?? Bit worrying though,
that they can give scores out so easily..name and dob only.! Still unsure what these scores mean.!!

gazzalw Fri 10-Feb-12 15:56:28

Hi well we worked out % ourselves as that's the easiest way of interpreting the DCs results.....

Does that help????

bizzey Fri 10-Feb-12 16:27:00

Hi gazzalaw .thanks for reply but.............ummm not really!! If you get a chance, could you tell me the basic arithmatics i need to do with his 2 scores thanks

gazzalw Fri 10-Feb-12 16:53:50

right total score possible is 282 - you need to add your child's scores together (say 130 and 132) divide them by 282 and then multiply by 100 which should give you a % - yes, agree I was stuck on the conversion and had to ask DW (guess who's the mathmo in our house!!!

Does that make sense??? Let me know how you get on!

bizzey Fri 10-Feb-12 19:48:28

Thanks gazzalw..done it!

gazzalw Fri 10-Feb-12 20:12:30

Are you celebrating - do you know about this Michaela Community School which could give Graveney a run for its money at some point......???

Now you have learned how to do % again smile. DS is doing Level 6 SATS maths and some of it is too difficult for me now!

kelli111 Sat 11-Feb-12 13:00:58

my son (who is not the most academic of my children lol) got 95 and 93 could someone work that out as a percentage for me thanks

gazzalw Sat 11-Feb-12 13:49:02

Is that out of 141 and 141 - the sum is 188/282 multiplied by 100 = 66.6%!

I am certainly practising long forgotten % today!

bizzey Sat 11-Feb-12 14:30:39

HI gazzalaw..90/ whitch isn't up in everyone elses league but we got stuck in a RTA on the day(not us literally) late and he didn't finish the papers..Bit of a stressfill day....so not bad considering the morning we had!!! We are not going for Wandworth/Tooting schools so dont know anything about them ..sorry. We are hoping for one of R/C schools we have chosen but dont know how these tests will affect him getting a place...Do Graveny really only pick the top ones didn't know that was allowed at any school even the R/C'S

gazzalw Sat 11-Feb-12 14:53:03

I am not an expert on this but some other Mumsnetters are so watch this space.

As far as I know based on the information we used (we are not in Borough and probably not in catchment either) the top 60 or so in the Test get offered the selective places (but if they are all in catchment too they will get the selective places too if they score highly enough) but the others are all based on being in catchment which is some ridiculous distance of less than 760 metres (something like that!). But consider that a lot of those who score well in the test will (like us for DS) have done other selective exams too (which are higher on our preference lists) so it might work out that actually children scoring virtually 100% have other schools (for which they may well get offers) higher on their lists.

The very clever girl we know who got 99.3% has Graveney as her third option not her first..... so if she gets her preferred first choice she will obviously not get a place at Graveney too....

Still all seems a bit of a minefield....good luck with getting your choice of R/C schools!

bizzey Sat 11-Feb-12 15:34:10

OH God(sorry about pun)..I give up! I wiil just get bubbley in for celebration or wine for drowning of sorrows and working out what i do next..nice that we get a whole w/end to drink it before we can do anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sgray Sat 11-Feb-12 17:42:29

I have a son at graveney. I also have a .year 6 who scored 135 and 134 in wtest. You cannot get the percentage score in the way some of you have described as it is standardised scoring. If you google standardised scores you will be directed to the NFER wbsite where it is all explained and has a chart telling you the percentages for your childs scores. Its brilliant. Very proud of my son who acheived 99%!!!Good luck.

sgray Sat 11-Feb-12 17:49:59

So gazzalw if your child got 95% by working out in the normal way you may want to check out the NFER web site as you may be surprised. I thought my son had 95 too but actually worked out at 99% which should be enough for Graveney. We live in catchment and get in on sibling too so we wont be taking away a selective place. To confirm........ If you live in graveney catchment area you do not take a selective place even if you get100%. You just get in on area.regardless of score.

gazzalw Sat 11-Feb-12 18:42:04

Oh thanks for that! Well done to your son - you must be very proud. So the standardised scoring presumably takes into account their birthdates does it? Will look later on - just being lazy!

gazzalw Sat 11-Feb-12 18:49:21

Not sure I totally understand it as I cannot see in that explanation where birth months are factored in, but it would seem unless I am missing something that with DS's scores he would be at 99% too! Wow.... That is more exciting and made my evening!

By the way father of DS's classmate who scored so highly (as mentioned above) is by profession a number cruncher so assume he's done it the proper way to get his calculation result!

Blu Sat 11-Feb-12 18:56:37

gazza, there is hope for your fingernails yet!!

Good news.

gazzalw Sat 11-Feb-12 19:04:24

That's made me feel a lot more confident Blu (hello!) and Sgray!

sgray Sat 11-Feb-12 20:57:44

Glad i could help. Signed up today!!!!

sgray Sat 11-Feb-12 21:00:08

Have letter from council which explains birthtdates are taken into consideration.

irisjohnson Sat 11-Feb-12 21:19:38

Sorry to those who don't want it to be this way but i'm pretty sure that if you would have got in on distance but score highly enough to get a selective place, then you get in on a selective place. The only difference between you and others on a selective place who are outside the distance is that your siblings also get in.

As for the percentages, they're not really relevant other than as a means of talking about the result. Ds1, for example, got full marks in the test but has a summer birthday. So i've always thought that meant he could have got some questions wrong but was helped by the late birthday when they came to the standardising business. Of course i could be talking nonsense, in which case, apologies.

I really feel for you all. I know how agonising it is from last year. I'm just having a year off from it all - I'll be there again next year with ds2.

Skone Sun 12-Feb-12 00:03:35

Wasn't aware that the scores could be given out. What info do I need to give the council?

bizzey Sun 12-Feb-12 02:43:38

Hi skone ,amazingly all i gave was DOB and name !!!! Bit worrying how easy it is !!!!

gazzalw Sun 12-Feb-12 08:26:50

Pretty sure though that they probably mark off that someone has phoned for the result so hopefully they wouldn't give the information out to anyone else....

So are birthdates taken into consideration in the raw scores they give you or is that what they tweak around with when then determining who gets the places...?

sgray Sun 12-Feb-12 10:37:10

As i said earlier i have a son at Graveney who could have got in on test but was accepted on distance which gives his sibling a place too. This then did not take one of the selective places.
In the letter from the council which my son was given at school on friday it states "The standardised scores take into account a pupils age"
Hope this helps some of you.

Blu Sun 12-Feb-12 18:06:07

I have an out of catchment friend whose DC1 got in on the test in the days when selective places also got a sibling place. DC2 also got very high test score which would have won a selective place, but the sibling entitlement came first. That is what she was told, anyway.

As I understand it, Iris, the selective test places are the last 'slot' an applicant slots into if they do not qualify on distance or sibling.

It is of course in the school's interest to take as many selective applicants as possible.

irisjohnson Sun 12-Feb-12 18:32:57

Believe me, Blu, I'll be absolutely delighted if that is the case! I have always been slightly irritated at the thought of children taking selective places when they could have got in on distance. (Not their fault, obviously, for scoring highly and living close.) I'm still not convinced, though.

Surely if the first category in the admissions policy gives 60 odd places to the top scorers in the test, then they award those places regardless of where those top scorers live? Yes, if those 60 top scorers would have qualified under distance as well their siblings get treated differently from those who get a selective place but live miles away. Then under the next categories places go to the looked after children, children with specific social or health needs, siblings (depending on when the older siblings were admitted), and then finally they get to the distance places .

They then run two waiting lists, one for selective places and one for distance. Presumably a child who scores highly and lives nearby could be on both lists in different positions?

Who knows! All I know for certain is that I am very annoyed at living literally a few metres outside the area with a child already at the school and younger siblings who won't automatically get in. We should have bought about eight doors down the street and they could have glided in on ds1's coat tails!

Blu Sun 12-Feb-12 18:51:00

Iris, I would agree that the admissions information states that the 63 selective places are offered irrespective of whether the applicant is in catchment or not, as you said.

sgray Sun 12-Feb-12 19:31:35

When my ds1 got in i asked the admissions team if he got in on test or catchment and they told me that they keep selective places only for children outside the area despite high marks.so rest assured local children are not taking places from the selected few.
I agree its a shame that the catchment area is so small which is made worse by the amount of people who rent in Furzedown just to get their child a place and then move out a few months after application. That surely should be checked out but there lies another discussion!

Blu Sun 12-Feb-12 20:40:22

sgray - you see, my friend came away with the same message. But the admissions info they have on their website says :

"Category 1
All applicants applying to any Wandsworth School will take the Wandsworth Year 6 Test consisting of two papers – Non-Verbal Reasoning and Verbal Reasoning. The 63 places offered at Graveney will be offered to those applicants scoring the highest aggregate score in these papers, including applicants who would otherwise qualify under Category 2"

Category 2 is siblings / special medical need and then distance.

So that is in direct contradiction to what the school are telling people hmm

However, it does mean that the boundary for distance is then a little wider as any selective-succeeeders within catchment won't be taking a catchment place. And there are surely as many 'catchment' applicants biting their nails as selective hopefuls.

Blu Sun 12-Feb-12 20:43:37

Also, Iris, there is provision for siblings of 'selective' places IF the 'selective' older sib was ALSO in catchment that year...as far as I understand what they say in ii C below:

"Category 2
187 places allocated in the following order:
(i) Children Looked After
(ii) Applicants not admitted under Category 1 who have a sibling attending the school on the date of admission, and whose sibling was:
(a) admitted under Category 1 or Category 2 before September 2008;
(b) admitted under Category 2 from September 2008;
(c) admitted under Category 1 from September 2008, but whose address was within the distance from Graveney School which would have qualified for a Category 2 place"

sgray Sun 12-Feb-12 20:58:39

lost !!!!!!!

EdithWeston Sun 12-Feb-12 21:06:52

It means that this who qualify under category 1 no longer (since 2008) give a sibling priority to siblings who do not qualify under category 2 as well. So a "selective place" sibling only transmits sibling prioity if the older sibling got the place under category 1 but would also have got it under category 2 as well.

Blu Sun 12-Feb-12 21:19:01

Or, to put it another way:
If a child gets a selective place but would ALSO have qualified for a distance place, their sibling will qualify for a sibling place.
If they get a selective place but live out of catchment, their sibling will not be eligible for a sibling place.

irisjohnson Sun 12-Feb-12 21:27:42

Oh, well thanks, sgray and Blu. I no longer need to worry about friends' high scoring children who live a bit nearer to the school depriving mine of a place!

It is actually a real shame that the children who get selective places come from so far away. Nearly all ds1's friends live miles away which means it is far more difficult for him to socialise out of school than it is for his friends from primary who are in upper and middle and thus have all their classmates on their doorstep.

irisjohnson Sun 12-Feb-12 21:33:49

not that I can guarantee my children will be high scorers in the first place ... If only it were that simple.

Blu Sun 12-Feb-12 21:49:49

irisjohnson - I agree with you re the desirability of having friends locally.

We live just the other side of the A23 and some people in our area do try for Graveney. We decided against it, even though DS does v well academically, because where possible, local seems to work. But then we are lucky to have another v good school v close to us. Even so, some people still try for Graveney - I think the fact that it is selective gets their competitive juices going. Other people do not have suitable schools close by.

gazzalw Mon 13-Feb-12 08:51:49

So if my understanding is correct those of us out of Borough just have to hope that the brightest children are the ones on the doorstep of the school grin!

sgray Wed 15-Feb-12 17:16:10


Blu Wed 15-Feb-12 17:34:37

erm, isn't it the opposite?

Because if they gave places on distance BEFORE giving places on the test, the ones who live on top of the school would not take up any of the 63 selective places.

However, the rules say they give places on test results first - so only 63 selective places, irregardless of how many of those do or do not live on the doorstep of the school.

sgray - the admission rules say that if a pupil gets in on the test but would ALSO that year have been eligible for a distance place, then the sibling place will be allowed.

gazzalw Thu 16-Feb-12 08:27:06

I am rather confused because some posters seem to say that many of the 'selective' intake who get in would also get in on catchment and others seem to indicate that those places are only given to those out of catchment.

When we went to the Open Day this year and looked through the list of where the Year 7s had come from it didn't seem to me that 63 were from out of catchment at all - but then I was probably looking for the obviously out-of-Borough ones rather than DCs from Wandsworth Schools but just far away from Graveney.....

Who can say??? The whole process is shrouded in mythology and spin - and as you said you could end up on a waiting list for catchment and one for selectivity and how complicated is that???? That could well happen to us although still keeping fingers crossed that one of the 3 grammars comes up trumps for DS!

Blu Thu 16-Feb-12 11:21:29

gazza, I think the confusion arises because people like my friend who has 2 DC at graveney, and sgray have been told by the school that they give 63 selective places in addition to catchment, whereas the admissions policy given on the Graveney website is on direct contradiction to that, and says that those in the top 63 will be admitted on test even if they are also within catchment.

Mythology, spin and misinformation......

<<hums que sera sera on all your behalfs>>

EdithWeston Thu 16-Feb-12 11:48:49

The website is the accurate version.

Perhaps the confusion simply arises because someone at the school phrased it badly when speaking. The selective places could, in theory, all be won by distant children (so coukd be seen as "additional" as they are ooen to anyone) but in practice they won't be. They are allocated by scores, irrespective of whether near to or far from the school gates, except when tie breaking when distance is used as the criterion.

Blu Thu 16-Feb-12 12:03:48

yes, I am sure that it will be done according to the published policy, but that in the complicated nature of it misunderstanding and myth proliferate. I have seen the 'wrong' version rehearsed on Mn many times!

Why am I on this thread? My child didn't even take the test! (but I know many people who are hanging on the results and feel fro them)

gazzalw Thu 16-Feb-12 17:43:27

Well I am lurking on the Trinity and Whitgift one, Blu, with a vested interest in hoping that all their DSs who also took grammar school exams and passed go for their Indie options instead grin

EdithWeston Thu 16-Feb-12 18:17:01

I'm lurking and posting on a number of these threads (if you look in the various education forums there are oodles - some livelier than others), as quite a number of families we know are going through this. (Haven't recognised anyone, though).

I loads of sympathy for families going through this, in particular those in the stressy London hotspots.

gazzalw Fri 17-Feb-12 13:34:46

The problem with any information and particularly stuff to do with schools is that I am sure sometimes we all hear what we want to hear rather than what is actually said!

Less than two weeks to go now :-( or :-). I am rather hoping for a Kent type booboo with the alloction results available online before they are officially supposed to be there...it only takes one clerical error!

I wonder what happens to staff who may work in an Admissions Dept who have DCs too - are they forbidden from finding out in advance too?

Anyone know when the secondary schools get the lists of who has been allocated places...and are there options for children allocated Graveney (or indeed any other secondary school) etc...to look around again before making a decision....???

On the subject of the Wandsworth Test though you might expect that children within Borough would outperform children out of Borough just because they spend time in class practising.... As I may have said already our DS said he found the WT very hard despite having done lots of VR/NVR practice papers.

Hey ho....!

Blu Fri 17-Feb-12 13:45:41

Do Wandsworth primaries do practice for the test?

The problem with having a look round before you maka a decision is only practical though, if you end up with more than one choice on the table - which only happens, as I understand it, if you are trying for private as well as state? Otherwise you would turn down the top choice offered and then have to go on the waiting lists for any other school you were interested in.

Or is it possible to get offered a Graveney selective place AND a grammar place at the same time? Do they not all come through the CAF offer?

I know someone who is now dithering and may well ask to go on the waiting list for lower choices if they are offered the first choice!

gazzalw Fri 17-Feb-12 13:59:49

No you only get one option - think I'm going a bit mad! If DS does get Graveney rather than one of the grammars we wouldn't turn it down even if not totally convinced....Do have to say though that DS wasn't totally convinced by Graveney and it was with some parental pressure that he agreed to it being 4th rather than 5th on his list!

Think I'm getting a bit confused because I'm sure one of the grammar school Heads implied that there was an option to look round again in March...but maybe that's wishful thinking! Or maybe that's once they've actually accepted the offer of a place?

basildonbond Fri 17-Feb-12 14:05:34

They do practise a bit in the autumn term of y6 but it was all fairly low key in ds' primary

And as a lot of them are guaranteed to get in on distance and the banding isn't done solely on the test result it's quite hard to motivate themselves into taking it particularly seriously (ds got 'bored' and drew a load of smilies on his paper blush

No you can't have an offer from Graveney and for example Sutton Grammar
School .. All the same form

SWStressed Fri 17-Feb-12 15:00:42

Am totally confused about how to work out DS' standardised score from NFER website as it says figures change with every test. Help anyone? Do you think Wandsworth would tell us?

gazzalw Fri 17-Feb-12 15:40:46

Glad I wasn't the only one, SWStressed blush. Given that Wandsworth obviously do take into consideration the DCs birthdates, that didn't at all seem to have been factored into the NFER scores on the website....

Don't really know why Wandsworth couldn't actually give on the standardised scores - I dare you try to find out SWStressed!

Feel pretty sure they won't though otherwise it could be construed as the same issue as the grammars telling one one's child's 11+ score - people could use it to construe that their DC would be offered a place!

sgray Fri 17-Feb-12 23:18:06


gazzalw Sat 18-Feb-12 12:00:51

Did realise that that there is a difference twixt % scored and the NFER ones.... but I am not exactly a mathmo and I wasn't ever claiming to be! Thank you for enlightening me!

So what you are essentially saying (or should I say shouting?) is that the Wandsworth Test allocation of places to Graveney and the other schools relies on the percentile scores rather than the % scored or is it the other way round?

No you are right and I am fast coming to the conclusion that deliberating over such issues is equivalent to dropping a stone in a pond - it generates ripples (more questions) rather than resolving anything!

Think I will retire from this thread until 1st March

drosophila Sun 19-Feb-12 16:22:45

Not all wandsworth schools practice. Our head for instance believes it is not in the interest of teh child to practice proactice practice for a couple of reasons:

- test will not be a true reflection of their ability
- too much pressure on the child.

I had my own views and we did practice mainly the level playing field argument but I think he has a point.

gazzalw Sun 19-Feb-12 19:09:43

I think a lot of the Heads are totally against the whole selective education system anyway.....

KandyBarr Mon 20-Feb-12 09:45:33

gaz My DSS is in Graveney extension stream and got a place via Wandsworth test a couple of years ago. It was his top choice - distance, co-ed preference, etc - but the Sutton grammars were 2, 3 and 4. Wilson's was second choice, and he passed that test.

On March 1 we received a letter from Wilson's inviting us to join the waiting list should we change our minds about our preference. I thought that was odd, because I had thought that the pan-London form meant he only had one choice. Perhaps that is what the head you heard was talking about? We didn't take Wilson's up on it, by the way, because DSS wanted Graveney, but the option would have been there.

gazzalw Mon 20-Feb-12 16:12:54

Yes, that must mean that your son passed very well (for Wilson's) and they were trying to lure you/DS away from your Graveney choice.....it's rather underhand isn't it.....

Well done for your DS getting a place at Graveney in the first place! Is he enjoying himself? Hope so. One of our close friend's sons has just left and gone up to Uni......she has nothing but praise for the place....

KandyBarr Mon 20-Feb-12 16:27:39

Yes, he loves it. The work is demanding, they go very fast and there is a lot of homework. But we've been impressed by the emphasis on critical thinking - particularly in History and such subjects - and the way he's been encouraged to think for himself. I think he's also benefitted from being in a co-ed selective - it seems good for him to be in the same class as some v bright girls.

gazzalw Mon 20-Feb-12 16:46:10

Yes, other people have said the same thing about critical thinking which can only be a good thing particularly in subjects like history!

OhDearConfused Tue 21-Feb-12 13:20:23

So if the WT entry for Graveney is on percentiles, what percentage range (I know it depends on birthdate) of correct scores do you need to get to get to 98%?

And if 63 DCs get in by being 98%-ile or above (ie 98, 99, and 100), that's 3% of the total number of test takers meaning - grossing up - that there are 2100 takers of the WT. However, I would have thought there were many, many more than that since every year 6 child in Wandsworth takes the test plus all the out-of-boroughers wanting to get in on selection. How does that reconcile?

gazzalw Tue 21-Feb-12 16:57:26

I am confused too... I did guess that it would be more than 2100 taking the test but when I suggested that to someone I was disbelieved....! Not at all sure really!

I think we will just have to sit tight and wait and see??? Remember we are talking the top 63 for whom presumably it's their first choice???? That won't be the top 63 in the Borough necessarily anyway.

DS's friend who scored 99.3% has it as her second choice so she won't be included in the top 63 if she gets her first choice..... Likewise many others presumably.....

yotty Tue 21-Feb-12 17:53:47

Ohdearconfused- I'm no mathematician, but you need to think of the percentile graph as a bell curve. Very similar to the way they work out what percentile your baby is when you have him weighed. In other words the vast majority of scores will lie close to the 50th percentile, with the a very few at the bottom and at the top. A child could score say 75% in a test and be in the 99th percentile because no one else scored more than 75%. Or they could be only in the 50th percentile if loads scored 75%. So, without knowing what all the other children scored you can't work out what percentile your child will be in. Hope that helps.

gazzalw Tue 21-Feb-12 18:33:12

Funnily enough Yotty I was going to use the bell curve analogy but felt that I might get shot down - you explained it very well!

OhDearConfused Wed 22-Feb-12 10:16:30

Oh dear I'm even more confused.

A bell curve only bunches in the middle because most people get an average mark. So if you are saying that the majority are getting close to the 50th percentile and its a bell curve then that means the ends of the curve (to the right) are people who score 98, 99 and 100% - but that was what was rejected in the discussion above. So I don't think its a bell curve thing that's going on.

However, I now see an arithmetical / assumption error in my calculation in my last post. I assumed that everyone who took the WT would want to go to Graveneney (and that there were 63 people in the top 3% of the cohort - the 98, 99, 100 percentiles), but that is clearly not correct. There are many more people in the than just 63 - some will not have applied at all to GS and others would have had other higher preferences (grammars, indies, or even other comps).

Perhaps that's it.

Tiredofexams Wed 22-Feb-12 13:02:10

Hi, new to this thread. if you look at the raw scores of your WT we were told Graveney generally offers to pupils who get (approximately mind you as it changes of course from year to year) over about 276 in their test result for the selective places. Then after some people choose independent schools etc. more offers go out from their waiting list and usually those finally accepted for selective places will have scores of around 269/270 and above. That is of course a generalization and will vary from year to year but may help put you in the picture of whether you are likely to get a first round offer or not.

OhDearConfused Wed 22-Feb-12 14:34:24


So then out of a total score of 282, 276 is 97.8% and 269 is 95.3%, so the discussion above - if you are right - about the oft-quoted percentage of 98% being not a score in the test but a "percentile" seems then to have been a red-herring......

But then how do they adjust for birthdates??

yotty Wed 22-Feb-12 15:44:42

Try going on the Kent section of the 11+ forum website. There is thread there that talks about scores for getting into the Kent grammar schools. It might help put things in perspective and also talks about adjusting for age.

yotty Wed 22-Feb-12 15:52:43

Don'tlive in Wandsworth, so may be completely wrong, but I am assuming you are adding 2 scores together, ie. max score is 141 each. But these scores are not raw scores they are standardised scores. If you look on the Kent 11+ website you will see you actually only need to score say 70% in a test to get a standardised score of 140, depending on age of candidate. Hope I am not confusing you further. I would ask your child's head teacher what exactly the information you have been given means.

sgray Wed 22-Feb-12 18:28:23

I must apologise if i have confused people!!!! I now have no idea whats going on so am just waiting until march 1st!
I also spoke to our head teacher and he said Graveney have in the past accepted those scoring about 276 or above on their 1st intake but can get a place on 2nd intake with about 269.
I dont suppose we will understand this any more when offers are made but its fun chatting with you all.

Tiredofexams Wed 22-Feb-12 18:35:58

I agree, we so desperately want an idea of what to expect... DD got a 272 so I am none the wiser!

gazzalw Wed 22-Feb-12 18:41:20

Tiredofexams is it DD's first choice because I think that will be ultimately what makes the difference.....

OhDearConfused Thu 23-Feb-12 10:25:44

yotty I searched for 11+ forum website and found a whole bunch of different 11+ sites; which one did you have in mind?


yotty Thu 23-Feb-12 11:41:10

Try looking at this. http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/forum/11plus/viewforum.php?f=19
Hope I don't confuse you further.

geraldine62 Fri 24-Feb-12 17:55:55

Does anyone know what time the results come in on Thursday? I was told afternoon but can't find any info on the Wandsworth website.

gazzalw Fri 24-Feb-12 19:55:00

Heard it's five pm

geraldine62 Fri 24-Feb-12 20:21:28

Thanks gazzalw - how cruel is that! I'm sure last time I went through this they were released at 9am. Do we get an email then or what, do you know?

gazzalw Fri 24-Feb-12 20:35:40

I have heard (and I've been through this before so I stand to be corrected if necessary) that you either get texted (if you signed up to that) to tell you the site is 'open' or possibly a notification email (telling you the same thing) to then check the result(s) online. If you completed a paper application you won't find out until the mail is delivered by the postman!!!!!

Yes, it is cruel and I'm getting a sense that it might depend where you are in the Country. One poster suggested that they find out at 9.00 am (but that wasn't in London I'm fairly sure). The London Borough websites seem particularly lacking in information, don't they?

All I know is that apparently the Pan-London system crashed last year leaving loads of parents/children tearing their hair out and drinking copious amounts of wine (well not the children but....) :-)

Yikes, six days now.......

gazzalw Fri 24-Feb-12 20:36:48

Oh I am also wondering whether several people can attempt to log-in to one child's account simultaneously - Mum, Dad and child concerned being the obvious ones! Maybe that's why the system crashed????

geraldine62 Fri 24-Feb-12 21:39:11

I've just done a search and the only information I can find online is on the pdf of the "choose a secondary school form". It says that you will be sent an email with the outcome of the application. Nothing about texts, although I distinctly remember signing up to a text notification now you mention it.

I'll be travelling home from work at that time - my poor dd will be on tenterhooks until I get home at 7 - I'd much rather they put it back to the 2nd March and released them at 9...

And we have the extra day on the 29th to get through! I'm getting really twitchy now having been calm throughout most of this.

Yes there were problems with the website last year I remember from friends going through it.

gazzalw Fri 24-Feb-12 21:47:14

Heyho...yes, why can't they tell us on the 29th! One Mumsnetter (who obviously works in a London secondary school) says the schools already know the list of children offered places so how come we have to wait another week????

Hey ho....Poor you although if the system does crash then you will not be missing anything...can you get reception on your mobile/IPhone/Blackberry or whatever gizmo whilst you are commuting home???

By the way did anyone see the threads from last year or possibly 2010 Offers Day when one of the Councils' results were viewable through the 'print' window in advance of the official deadline.

I would strongly urge everyone to check this out next Wednesday just in case there are any such 'happy' oversights!

sgray Fri 02-Mar-12 22:41:46

ok so how did you all get on!!!!

gazzalw Sat 03-Mar-12 07:16:50

Hi SGray, DS got one of his grammar options and is very high on waiting list for another one. So despite speculation etc... Graveney is off our radar until DD gets to that age! Thank you for your support and for asking.

Have to say we have been feeling a bit all over the place since getting the result. With having had to consider that all and none of the options were a possibility it comes as a bit of a shock to get an actual result and then close on its tails a 'there's a distinct possibility' type of email from one of the options...

Know one DD who has a coveted place at Graveney but no others! Any other good news!

sgray Sat 03-Mar-12 17:33:50

Thats great news. We are off to graveney and my son is so happy that his best friend is going too. he did get 100% in wt !!!!

gazzalw Sat 03-Mar-12 18:08:46

Wow awesome!

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