Dulwich or Whitgift?

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MaMerry Fri 03-Feb-12 20:56:22

After quite upbeat interviews at both Whitgift and Dulwich, and assuming that the state offer for DS is not up to scratch, we may need to make a choice between D & W. I'm struggling to split them, TBH. They both talk about academic success, pastoral care and co-curricular activity, are set in fantastic grounds and cost an arm and a leg. Can anyone help me split them?

DS is bright, interested in most things, an enthusiastic sportsman (but not going to end up playing for England in any of them) and says he doesn't mind which of the two he goes to.

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Chelseatina Fri 03-Feb-12 21:12:15

Definitely choose Dulwich, if you get both offers. Dulwich is way more academic than Whitgift - Dulwich usually take the top 20% of the cohort, whereas Whitgift flounder in the League tables...
The boys who usually go to Whitgift are mostly the "brawn" who can give the school the sporting successes they crave. Their sports facilities are probably the best around and so are their sports teams.
Dulwich, on the other hand, are a great sporty school and have fixtures against all the other independent schools - their teams are pretty decent in all of the major sports. This fact, coupled with their academic side, certainly make it a better school. Location-wise, I would think that Dulwich is also a better bet, as they have a school bus that pupils can take to and from the school - Whitgift do not offer such a facility.

Good Luck!

basildonbond Fri 03-Feb-12 22:27:19

sorry Chelseatina but you're talking tosh!

They are different schools, certainly, but Dulwich is not in a different league ...

There are many scarily clever boys at Whitgift, and some not particularly bright ones, just as there are at Dulwich - we know many, many boys at both. Yes, there are lots of sporty boys at Whitgift but there are plenty who are musical or into drama or simply very academic.

Whitgift's sports facilities are miles better than those at Dulwich and their sports teams do the facilities justice. Dulwich aren't bad .. of course they have fixtures against other independent schools, they all do!!

Whitgift have lots of school buses plus it's very easy to get to by public transport. Dulwich have buses but it's not in such a well-connected location as far as public transport goes.

Dulwich is less of a social mix than Whitgift - its intake is much more heavily biased towards prep schools - Whitgift is about 50/50 prep/state which gives it a different, rather more down-to-earth feel, it has a much higher percentage of boys receiving financial assistance by way of scholarships and/or bursaries, and of course, it's in Croydon which will always keep the boys there grounded wink

One boy we know had major scholarships from Dulwich, Whitgift and Trinity (50% off fees) and chose Whitgift over Dulwich and he and his parents have never had any regrets

Chelseatina Sat 04-Feb-12 08:07:39

Sorry Basilonbond, but I have to strongly disagree with you about the academic standing of Whitgift vs Dulwich. Firstly, for years, Dulwich "hands down" beat Whitgift on the league tables...as a matter of fact, I do not recall Whitgift ever making the published list of league table data, as it came so far down the list... Secondly, the entrance pass mark to Whitgift must be significantly lower than Dulwich's, as I work in a primary school, I know of many year 6 pupils who failed to pass the Dulwich exam and easily passed the Whitgift one and have gone on to interview there...only to turn down their offered places there, as a result of the mediocre reputation the school possesses. Thirdly, I have a son of my own in a top, selective independent and I can safely say that the consensus amongst all the children and parents there are that Whitgift is, basically, a third tier school (i.e., not even a second tier choice).
I feel rather harsh trying to drive home my point, as I am absolutely certain that Whitgift is an excellent school - it has amazing facilities and its sports teams are feared within the independent school sector as everyone acknowledges that they are usually the best sportsmen around! Whitgift has loads going for it - but, it is not, for sure, in the same academic league as Dulwich - which, by the way, is considered to only be in the second tier of academic London selective schools.
Of course, there are "horses for courses" - not everyone will prefer the same type of school...just because one is more "academic" or "selective" than another, does not mean that it is "better"! There are so many factors involved in choosing the right school for your child - the rigour of a school's entrance test and league table standing is not the be all and end all... The cohort of children attending the school is always something to consider...if your child is a keen sportsman/woman, that is also a consideration...the arts, music and drama departments are to be investigated, if your child is so inclined...
So, what I am waffling on about is that, yes, Dulwich is academically more demanding that Whitgift, but take the needs and desires of your child into consideration when choosing a school.
Apologies for going on a bit...

MaMerry Sat 04-Feb-12 09:31:34

Thanks, guys, you've both put forward some interesting points and mentioned things for me to consider which I hadn't even thought of. Not sure this won't end up being decided on a coin toss!

Interesting, Chelseatina, that Dulwich is only considered to be second tier - are you able to expand on those considered to be top tier? so I can beat myself up about the fantasic schools I didn't even know I should be applying for

LondonMother Sat 04-Feb-12 09:51:25

I'm no expert here but I would imagine top tier would be St Paul's and Westminster - maybe City of London?

My son is in his final year at DC and it's been fantastic for him. He went there at 11 from a community primary school and was far from the only one making that transition at that age. I'd look at the journey as a potential tiebreaker if you genuinely can't separate them in other ways, but there are a few other things to consider.

Sport - my son isn't particularly sporty and one of the things I've liked at DC is that they offer lots of sports at all levels so if the boys do want to get involved there will be a team at their level, but as far as I'm aware there is no pressure to get involved in competitive sport if they don't want to. In games lessons the boys who aren't in any sort of team get coaching on basic skills, and that seems fine to me.

Other extra-curricular areas where DC is very strong - music, drama, debating.

Academically, I think things have stepped up a gear since the new head arrived. He is keen to increase the numbers of boys getting into the top universities, I believe.

luckylavender Sat 04-Feb-12 10:02:56

No direct experience of either but have a DC 15 who regularly plays against them at Rugby and Cricket (1st team for both) and I would chose Dulwich each time. They are politer, play fairer and just generally more rounded than the lads you see playing for Whitgift whose behaviour can leave a lot to be desired on the sports field. Not any less competitive but much better behaved and this is reflected in the masters. I would not want any son of mine to behave and to emulate some of the behaviours I have seen from Whitgift. I know some adults who went to both and I really think you can spot the difference. And I think Whitgift has a long way to go before it has the reputation of Dulwich.

basildonbond Sat 04-Feb-12 10:52:40

Having direct experience of both schools I would doubt there'd be much to choose from the boys in the top and bottom sets of either schools ... It's perfectly possible to f*ck up your GCSEs at Dulwich as one of my friend's sons seems determined to do ...

I suspect where the academic difference might lie is in the middle tiers of both cohorts with Dulwich being slightly higher, but for any one individual the choice is going to be down to lots of different factors, like location, ease of transport - buses, trains, school bus routes (which is where you were talking tosh, CT), where friends go to etc etc

Both schools will get good/excellent results if your son's prepared to work for them (and not if they're not).

We and other families I know preferred the atmosphere at Whitgift - and I think there's a snobbery factor going on there as well - Dulwich's intake is much 'posher'. And after ds2 was horribly bullied by a load of boys from DC on a cricket course, that didn't say a lot about the behaviour of some of the boys from there ...

As far as top tier London schools go, I would agree that neither DC nor Whitgift are in it - you'd be looking at St Paul's, Westminster and KCS Wimbledon, but again they wouldn't suit every boy for lots of different reasons, not least of them being location and fees

OP - when it comes down to making a choice, if you are lucky enough to be in that position, it's really about your gut feeling. Imagine your son's first day at secondary, which school can you see him walking into? And which can you see him being happiest at?

Chelseatina Sat 04-Feb-12 11:25:39

Hi, MaMerry, i would say that the top tier London Day boys schools are: Westminster, St. Paul's, King's College Wimbledon - and in no particular order - results from either of those three schools are quite impressive! Quite near to that level would also be City of London.

kerrygrey Sat 04-Feb-12 11:53:36

We had experience of Joe Spence (now head of DC) when he was head of Oakham. He is brilliant, unique, and if choosing again I would take any school of his before any other. One girl in my DC's year was moved from Marlborough to Oakham for 6th form because her parents had known Joe Spence via their son at Eton, and thought him worth following.

MaMerry Sat 04-Feb-12 12:08:09

This is all really useful stuff, ladies, so thanks. Are there any W mums out there who can say what it's like at W for a boy who's a very keen sportsman but not top flight - more of a happy amateur than county/country standard ( and wasn't shortlisted for W sports assessment). Will he still have the opportunity to play as much sport as he likes at W at a decent standard? Or is it all about the A teams at W?

Interesting, Basildon, that you've experience of both. How did that happen? if you don't mind me asking You're right, I should go with my gut feeling, only problem is that DH's gut doesn't always feel the same as mine, and astonishingly, he thinks he should be involved in deciding DS's future!grin

Needmoresleep Sat 04-Feb-12 17:43:31

To some extent you will need to go with your instincts. Over the past five years there as been an increasing tendency to prefer Whitgift over Dulwich, but they are both great schools. Well done!

Remember that league tables are the results of other people's children, and indeed children who entered the school 7 years ago. Dulwich also has a reputation for "importing" bright sixth formers which will again improve their results.

So: ease of journey; extra curricular; size of the year group; feel of the school...

Chelseatina Sat 04-Feb-12 18:09:58

I am sorry, but I have not had the experience that anyone prefers Whitgift over Dulwich? From my experience, pupils/parents oftentimes apply to Whitgift and Emanuel as "safety net"/"back-up" choices, just in case they do not gain entry to their first, second or, indeed, third choice schools... I am sorry to keep banging on about this, but I work in Year 6 of a local primary school and am in charge of Secondary Transfer (for the last 10 years) and can honestly say that this is how it is... Apologies for offending anyone...but I am incredulous that anyone would place Whitgift in the same category as Dulwich. Apologies, again...!

mydaddy Sun 05-Feb-12 01:44:24

Have you actually visited both the schools RECENTLY@ Chelseatina?
Or do you just form your opinion from what parents and kids at other schools say? Of course most kids are going to say the school they attend is better.As for the league tables it is false that the Whitgift is so far down they don't appear. I a lot of the kids at the Whitgift take the IB in preference to the equivalent UK A level qualification and these do not appear in league tables.
can I also refer you to the respected FT Independent tables. This puts the Whitgift above DC.

rankings.ft.com/secondary-schools/secondary-schools-2011

DC is a good school and well up there. But to run the Whitgift down as you have done with several falsehoods and inaccuracies is not fair and does not give balance.The Whitgift is certainly not just about sport.I have compared both schools GCSE and A level results for 2011 and yes though DC has a better average for A/A* there really is not much to choose between them. I'd hardly call Whitgifts results floundering as you did.

As Basisdon said:
Both schools will get good/excellent results if your son's prepared to work for them (and not if they're not).

Btw, Whitgift has and has had for several years an extensive school bus provision. So please stop telling your year 6 parents that it doesn't.

Chelseatina Sun 05-Feb-12 06:58:22

As my son often has sporting fixtures with independent schools almost every weekend for, e.g., football, rugby and cricket, I have the advantage of visiting most of the independent schools throughout the year and speaking with a variety of parents and pupils...so, in answer to your question my daddy - yes, I have been to Whitgift several times over the past few years. Further, the bus links to and from the school is something I wasn't exactly too sure about originally and I admit that that particular issue was inaccurate..however, I am correct in saying that, from Chelsea, where I live, there is no school bus route to the school... Just saying...
I agree with you that Whitgift is a good school and that I would definitely go there before considering many other schools - but, given the choice between a top school like Dulwich and it, I would certainly choose Dulwich. Just saying...

Chelseatina Sun 05-Feb-12 07:35:45

Perhaps I am being too harsh in my assessment of Whitgift, as compared to more prestigious schools - the comparisons are simply unfair- in it's own right, Whitgift is a fine establishment. Of course it is true that if your child is motivated and happy, they will thrive wherever they are- for some pupils, the diversity of academic standanding amongst other pupils gives a sense a well-rounded ness. This can be contrasted with some top tier schools where the pressure to obtain A* in every subject is enormous and, if your child is über competitive, this is the environment that they will thrive in, as opposed to the latter...like I said before, horses for courses... I guess I tend to look for the schools that will push my brightest students, as I am also responsible for the Gifted and Talented provision at our school.

Needmoresleep Sun 05-Feb-12 08:18:40

Interesting. I must live near you and have friends who are agonising over 11+ and particularly about where to send their boys.

Given the relatively small number of schools how do you rank them, assuming that transport is not an issue. Eg does Whitgift come after City and Dulwich but before Latymer Upper and Emanuel? Where does Alleyns sit? Hampton? Ibstock? Harrodian?

Sorry about the thread hijack. My perception is that Whitgift and Latymer Upper are rising fast in popularity and I have seen people caught out by the fact that neither can be seen now as a safe fall back, even for boys aiming mainly for a "top tier" school. Indeed places at Emanuel are becoming harder to get, with someone telling me that this year they received so many applications that they moved the deadline forward. (I did not really follow, but got the message that it is worth getting applications in early.)

My own view is that a lot depends on the child and Londoners are lucky to have a good range of schools to chose from. (Provided you can afford the fees and can get a place!) Certainly one of my DC thrives by being one of the strong within the cohort whilst another thrives in a pretty academic environment.

Thanks.

meditrina Sun 05-Feb-12 09:52:20

For boys/coed? With a south London focus?

KCS Wimbledon, St Pauls and Westminster are the top academic choices.

Just behind them, CLB (very fashionable at the moment, hard exam), Alleyns, Dulwich (especially with the new head, but will never top the tables as it doesn't chuck out lower performing boys after GCSE)

Others: Harrodian,(improving academically, but yet to completely shed its "rich thick" label (sorry)), Whitgift. Emmanuel.

It doesn't mean that the less prestigious schools offer are in any way bad - in /around London they're all good. And the best school is the one your DS thrives in and is happy at, and IMO that is nothing to do will a repetitional pecking order, and perhaps we'd do better if we acknowledged, then consciously decided to ignore, any such list.

Chelseatina Sun 05-Feb-12 10:29:32

Spot on, Meditrina!

Needmoresleep Sun 05-Feb-12 10:44:55

From Chelsea?

Where do Ibstock, Hampton and Latymer Upper sit in the list?

I am curious, not least because I have known certainly Alleyns and Latymer to reject children who subsequently get places at "top tier" schools, and indeed parents who have rejected "top tier" schools in favour of Alleyns, Latymer and....Whitgift.

Chelseatina Sun 05-Feb-12 11:37:17

Yes, children can be turned down by Alleyn's and Latymer, yet get offers from top tier schools - those pupils will have most likely passed all of their entry tests and proceeded to the interview stage. At the interview stage, a school will assess a particular pupil's suitability based on their school profile and other variables. The interview stage, in some cases, is the deciding factor - not necessarily the exam Mark. It is rare that a pupil will have passed a KCS, St Paul's or Westminster exam and then "failed" a Dulwich, Alleyn's or Latymer exam - the pass rate at the top tier schools is naturally higher. Saying that, however, from my experience I note that the contents of the Latymer Upper exam is excessively difficult for an 11+ exam!
Schools like Alleyn's and Latymer are, academically, ever so slightly below the top tier, but they are very sought after because they are great schools, co ed, and have a broad range of superb extra curricular activities, etc - the emphasis at those schools is less of a "hot house" environment than the top tier... Hampton is quite a good school- so is Ibstock, but they would be juxtaposed ever so slightly below Alleyn's and Latymer - imperceptibly below!
Saying that, a school has to suit your child's aspirations, interests and academic ability AND it has to have the right "feel" or give off the right "vibes" for your child and your family. Just because a school is top of the top tier, and your child passed the test, doesn't mean that they want to go there or that they'll be happy there... But, it is important that parents know the difference between schools, so that they can make educated decisions, as opposed to equating all schools equally in terms of academic rigour...

meditrina Sun 05-Feb-12 11:58:44

I've known boys pass for Westminster but choose Dulwich. Not all parents go by academic reputation. Any, indeed all, of these schools will send an academically able child out with their string of A*s, and also most children will be happy anywhere they can settle.

It should be a personal decision, based on everything a school offers plus how it fits with family logistics.

Personally, I'm a bit dubious about those who don't seem able to see beyond a narrow academic reputation. There is so much more to school life. You just need to have the confidence to do what is right for you and you DC, without worrying about what other people think.

Chelseatina Sun 05-Feb-12 12:35:58

Isn't that what I just suggested??

meditrina Sun 05-Feb-12 16:41:29

My apologies for posting useless redundant information. I'll leave the thread.

basildonbond Sun 05-Feb-12 17:29:33

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basildonbond Sun 05-Feb-12 17:46:52

For mamerry

Sports at Whitgift aren't just for the sports stars... There are A, B, C and D teams for major sports and a massive range of activities, so if no good at rugby or cricket, boys can choose rowing for example. The school also runs sports development sessions on Saturday mornings for boys who haven't so many opportunities of playing sports as many of the prep school boys which helps bring them up to the right standard.

Ds is very happy there - it suits him perfectly and he is exceptionally bright (level 4s at the end of Y2, 5s across the board in Y4) and so would have been able enough for the 'top tier' but he's also very sporty and bouncy and the ultra-academic schools just didn't feel right for him

My sister taught at DC and we know several boys there across the year groups so I've been able to compare ds's experiences with theirs pretty accurately

Ladymuck Sun 05-Feb-12 17:52:28

The Croydon preps used to send boys to Dulwich and Westminster each year (with more going to Whitgift due to geography and generous scholarships), but the numbers going to DC have dropped off. We visited DC a couple of years ago and one of the senior masters was surprised that anyone would bother to drive past Whitgift to get to DC ( and he had taught at both).

The other thing that struck us is that when we asked our obviously talented pupil-guide about art and music, he indicated that boys were expected to drop those activities by end of year 9 to concentrate on academic studies.

The FT tables looks at the Oxbridge/Imperial offer rates for schools and DC and Whitgift v similar. In fact Whitgift marginally higher.

If you get offers for both it is definitely worth visiting each again on a normal working day. The schools will expect a number of parents to ask to visit.

LondonMother Sun 05-Feb-12 18:13:55

Ladymuck, I'm puzzled by the statement that DC boys are encouraged to drop art and music from the end of year 9. I have completely the opposite impression, and my son is in his final year at DC. The music at DC is fantastic and many boys play/sing in numerous ensembles to a very high standard. The current head boy plays in the Symphony Orchestra and is also a very successful cross-country runner (competitive races). He has an offer of a place at Cambridge, I believe, so it clearly hasn't harmed his academic work.

Ladymuck Sun 05-Feb-12 18:36:03

As ever one has to take the guide's words with a pinch of salt I guess, but then again the music school was closed on Open Day which I found slightly odd. Every other school had something musical on show on open day so Dulwich stood out in that regard.

Chelseatina Sun 05-Feb-12 18:47:21

Oh, For Heaven's sake, Basildon Bond, just look up the 2011 Independent GCSE & A level results - out of roughly 400 listings, Whitgift doesn't even appear! Res ipsa loquitur! End of.

Ladymuck Sun 05-Feb-12 18:54:51

Chelseatina, as a Year 6 teacher advising on future schools you are aware that the Whitgift foundation took the decision (along with lots of independent schools) to withdraw all 3 of their schools from league tables a couple of years ago, aren't you?! They did appear in the FT league table last year (which is put together by the journalists doing their own review of information published by the schools, rather than by the schools submitting their results) and came 40th to Dulwich's 58th. But as they have an increasing number of boys doing IB whilst the majority do A levels I think that the league table comparisons are pretty difficult.

Ladymuck Sun 05-Feb-12 18:57:14

And out of interest where does St Paul's come on the league table that you're looking at?

firmbeliever Sun 05-Feb-12 19:02:32

As a prospective parent whose DS did not manage to get place at KCS 10+ entrance exam I am looking at Dulwich college and Whitgift with a view for trying for 11+entry.

Chelseatina and Meditrina you both say that the intake at Dulwich College is more academic, I have compared both OFSTED reports and there is nothing to choose between them, their intake is virtually the same! ( look at 1.2 in both reports, does the 'rich but thick' apply to Dulwich then ?) However one of Dulwich Colleges recommendations for improvement in the OFSTED report is to challenge its more able. Whitgift seem to do this by and large, hence its 'outstanding' OFSTED report as opposed to Dulwich College's 'good'.

Most academic schools incuding Dulwich College weed out those who do not get the required 'points' at GCSE. So your point Meditrana about why DC does not top the league tables does not hold.

I have looked at league tables The FT one and 'TOP 100 Senior Schools A* A and B grade' and again whitgift features in this. Dulwich College it seems is not in this catergory. These league tables recognise the IB'

I too am glad that Chelseatina is not advising me re secondary schools. I am certainly going to do my homework and look for myself rather than relying on outdated conceptions as both schools appear of equal calibre by and large

SoupDragon Sun 05-Feb-12 19:04:56

Chelseatina You can not rely on the league tables as there are significant omissions wrt the different exams available. Quite frankly, the league tables are a load of nonsense.

SoupDragon Sun 05-Feb-12 19:08:14

Here is the Trinity HMs newsletter, the first section of which explains why the league tables are misleading. I imagine this is equally relevant to Whitgift.

SoupDragon Sun 05-Feb-12 19:12:18

"just look up the 2011 Independent GCSE & A level results - out of roughly 400 listings, Whitgift doesn't even appear! Res ipsa loquitur! End of."

LOLOL. As Ladymuck says, that's because they withdrew from them.

NiceViper Sun 05-Feb-12 19:27:15

Something's amiss here. AFAIK, OFSTED have only ever done a social care inspection on DC's boarding provision.

Dulwich Music block has been closed during tours whilst it was being rebuilt, not because of lack of investment in music. Quite the contrary!

I'm another who has heard that they do not chuck out after GCSE. They have minimum GCSE result requirement fit 6th form joiners, but not for continuers. Whitgift and DC are both on the 2011 league tables, as published on BBC. But it seems Whitgift wish to repudiate their standing; fair enough, if they do not consider I accurate.

OP: I think the best you're going on get on this thread is claim and counter claim.

What did your gut, and DC's gut, say when you were at each?

SoupDragon Sun 05-Feb-12 19:50:09

The Independent Schools Council does the inspections rather than OFSTED.

SoupDragon Sun 05-Feb-12 19:51:18

Dulwich Here
Whitgift here

SoupDragon Sun 05-Feb-12 19:53:36

I would say that, academically, there probably isn't a lot to choose between them and it is more a case of gut feeling, ease of access and amount of scholarship offered smile

NiceViper Sun 05-Feb-12 19:58:04

I had a dekko at those when (paranoidly double checking) there was no OFSTED report. So I don't see where the previous poster's "outstanding" and "good" came from (esp when you look at the actual content of the report).

Is it the same head at Whitgift as when last ISI was done? DC have a new one, and I hear he is very highly regarded.

basildonbond Sun 05-Feb-12 20:12:07

Both schools have minimum GCSE points levels for current pupils as well, nice viper - I know someone at DC who is currently being warned their place in 6th form is not assured

It's fairly standard practice

SoupDragon Sun 05-Feb-12 20:16:45

If you look at the last section of the report, for Whitgift it says they are outstanding in all aspects and Dulwich a mix of outstanding and good. Not quite what the other poster said - I don't think they get an overall grade.

NiceViper Sun 05-Feb-12 20:31:39

I think it was the criticism of inconsistent marking that would bother me most. It might not make much difference to outcome in public exam, but I think it could make quit a difference to a boy's time overall.

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arniesidd Thu 23-Feb-12 00:12:59

I know I'm a latecomer to this conversation, but nonetheless, what everyone seems to overlook when it comes to choosing schools is the fact that OF COURSE highly selective schools such as JAGS, Alleyns and Dulwich get such fantastic academic results - its because they cream off the very brightest children who are bound to perform well even if they were taught by a performing monkey. School academic results are NOT necessarily a reflection of the teaching, merely a reflection of the intake. If your averagely bright child goes to Emanuel or Alleyns, I simply don;t believe they will necessarily get better results at the latter; in fact they may be intimidated and demoralised by the fact that they are outstripped by their peers academically and simply give up. So judging schools by academic results and league tables is sheer folly; it's only one, very small, measure of how good a school is. i'd love to see how well Alleyns of JAGS teachers would fare with a class of 30+ kids from some of the state schools such as Eliots, which as far as I know is still in special measures.

Mummle Thu 23-Feb-12 07:25:31

Just playing 'Devil's Advocate', arniesidd - what if your child is in the top ability band? Would you prefer your child to be in a school where they cream off the top ability and, thereby, have your child being taught within a 'higher ability' stream and, in fact, ethos, or would you want your child to be catered for within an "mixed ability" cohort which is already lacking those that have been "creamed" off? In that respect, the schools which have the higher academic results may not, in fact, have the "best" teachers, but the environment for learning is competitive and expectations are much higher and, therefore, the child will, by default, have to play their best game in order to compete... I am not saying that results are the be all and end all...but, I am saying that, if you are the type of person who is very conscious of results and wants to have your child get the best academic results they possibly can, then a selective school may be the best choice, if the child is truly a high achiever. Saying all of that,a lot more than academics make up a secondary school and the broader ethos and a child's happiness are the most important factors. Academic results are only one facet of the issue - but some parents (and children) are really 'work horses' and thrive on academia...

EdithWeston Thu 23-Feb-12 07:30:18

OP - it's after offers day now. Have you made a decision, and are to happy to share it?

MaMerry Sat 25-Feb-12 22:05:45

Edith We have now received scholarship offers from both Dulwich and Whitgift. But planning to revisit one of them next week, as still not sure which is preferred.

EdithWeston Sat 25-Feb-12 22:20:20

Congratulations! What a nice dilemma to have!

ameliacampbell Sun 16-Dec-12 13:25:51

I trust FT's rankings the most - Latymer Upper came 25th in the independent schools table this year regarding both A level results and GCSE results. It was the top co-ed school apart from the Perse School in Cambridge - which I think is absolutely brill. Their facilities are fantastic - just as good as St Paul's etc, and in 2012 they got 50 people into Oxbridge. Latymer Upper is one to watch!!! It is now considered as being among the top-tier schools in London

Robinia190 Wed 23-Jan-13 21:59:32

Hi everyone - I have read the (now quite old) discussion about D vs W. The thing to remember is that W offers the International Bac and therefore A*/A tables are not going to reflect the achievements in the IB. The only useful measure to compare the two (and any other school) is the average points per pupil achieved at A level: in 2010, for which I have figures in front of me, W average: 1003.2, D:932. W has consistently outperformed D in recent years and scores the 2nd highest in UK for IB, after Sevenoaks.

magyarmum Mon 18-Feb-13 18:31:30

Any advice if the choice is between Dulwich College and the London Oratory? Our son is sporty and would prefer the former; but we are financially challenged. Is it worth the sacrifice and stress to send him to Dulwich?

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