Holland Park school HELP!! Anyone know it?

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tonyee Sun 07-Mar-10 17:13:32

Hubs keeps threatening to take out girls out of their school (private girls school where they r super happy) n to send them to Holland Park comprehensive school. Does anyone have any experiences there? I heard there is some bullying, I also heard it can be a bit rough. Any scoop? I'd love some feedback!! THANKS!!

tonyee Mon 08-Mar-10 08:32:55

Got shown the brochure this morning to Holland Park school as children left smiling to their present school which they love. Looks like DH is hell bent of State Schools. Does anyone know this school or have friends with children there? I read on a forum there are some pretty hard core kids there and you have to make sure you encourage your kids to stay away from the dangerous ones (!!??). Jeez.

smee Mon 08-Mar-10 09:38:25

tonyee, why don't you go and look round - meet the head teacher? One comment on a forum is a bit narrow to base your view on. I don't know anybody there, but am sure others will be on soon. Or contact the PTA there and ask to meet some parents - there must be one.

KeithTalent Mon 08-Mar-10 12:00:11

Yes, do make sure your dd's don't accidently touch a working class child

mnistooaddictive Mon 08-Mar-10 13:26:18

Every school in the country has bullying. State, independent, the lot. An y school that claims it doesn't is lying and therefore not dealing with it.

tonyee Mon 08-Mar-10 16:43:05

Darling Keith T, your comment was rather cheeky. Plenty of working class children in our realm and in the family, thanks for your concern though.

ms91 Tue 16-Mar-10 14:00:05

I went to Holland park from yr 7 to 11 and loved every minute of it. Admittedly, I was bullied a bit in the first term of yr 7 by a few boys(just name-calling) because of my height - I guess they were uncomfortable with being shorter than a female, but all the other kids were fine. The teaching was really good and I left with 11 GCSEs (1 C and the rest at grade B or above). The pass rate for gcse in my year was 69%, and it's gone up since then. The facilities were excellent, as students we couldn't have asked for more, and the school was aesthetically pleasing. To this day, I regret not staying there for the 6th form. A fair amount of people from the 6th form got in to oxford/cambridge and the other top 10 universities, or went off to study medicine/dentistry. In most cases, private schools are the best, but holland park comes close.

tonyee Sun 21-Mar-10 01:25:44

ms91, Thanks for that scoop, that is nice to hear!

Thediaryofanobody Sun 21-Mar-10 08:34:44

I really wouldn't send my child there is a lot fighting and anti social behavior.
The lovely young girl I know who attends says it's a really bad idea to look at anyone you don't know, especially the girls.

Thediaryofanobody Sun 21-Mar-10 08:39:05

Forgot to add drug taking and free flowing alcohol is how many of them spend there weekends. But not all, the girl I know certainly doesn't but that does make her unpopular. Her older sister (17) has been known to try ecstasy with her classmates. These are girls from a very comfortable home with loving supportive parents whom felt that smart kids excel in whichever school they go to, their now finding out maybe academically but certainly not socially.

violetqueen Sun 21-Mar-10 09:36:11

OOh ,this is the same experience that my friend's daughter's have experienced at
Haberdashers’ Aske’s Hatcham College.
Along with bullying ,stealing blazers ,memory sticks with important course work etc.
This is a high achieving ,non maintained school ranked as outstanding in last Ofsted report .

'drug taking and free flowing alcohol is how many of them spend there weekends. ' - have you met private school kids? That's more than true of them as well. It's a parent's reponsibility to keep their children safe at evenings and weekends - NOT the schools.

Thediaryofanobody Sun 21-Mar-10 10:07:25

Yes Northernlurker I've met many privately educated kids the old chestnut of them getting drunk more doing drugs is just as much bollox as all the crap private educators say about state. hmm

I was giving info on this particular school which is what the OP asked for.

GroveMum Sun 21-Mar-10 19:43:06

My daughter is starting at Holland Park in September. Because I do not earn enough for a private school and don't go to church I don't have a choice where to send her.
The post about drugs does not surprise me - even at my grammar school in the 70s/80s it was not unusual.
My impression of the school on open day was not favourable. I felt really uncomfortable that boys are in the majority at the school and noticed there were very few girls in the top maths set for example. They are currently in very cramped and shabby conditions but the school being turned into a building site over the next three years is not great either.
I was not taken in by the Head Teacher's spin - something RBK&C is rather adept at -yes the school has improved but only 63% get both maths and English GCSE passes which is not great by any means.
I would be very interested to hear the views of any current parents. The few parents I have spoken to are either extremely defensive and will not say a word against it (oddly enough all rather wealthy middle class) or have major criticisms. It would be good to hear other views.
I also wondered if there is any advantage in the child being placed in one of the top sets behaviour wise or being awarded one of the art aptitude places?

Thediaryofanobody Sun 21-Mar-10 19:55:56

Grove mum for what it's worth the DC that hasn't gotten into trouble is in all the top sets and she does have a couple of friends at the school that are very bright too and don't seem to partake in drugs and alcohol.

miso Tue 23-Mar-10 16:42:09

If Holland Park has a comprehensive, non-selective intake (sorry no knowledge of the school) then 63% A-C is not that bad really.

There are state schools with better A-C results but I they tend to be the selective ones, one way or another.

GroveMum Tue 23-Mar-10 21:42:34

They are selective in terms of a banding test. They take 25% of the below average of the cohort tested - 50% average and 25% above. As the majority of the kids are from RBKC schools and they are one of the top performing LEAs for SATS etc I would expect that their intake is probably more capable that the GCSE exam results give credit for.

When it means that more than 1 in 3 kids do not get either English or maths GCSE - I think that is failing them. 98% do get 5 GCSE passes but that includes "soft" or vocational subjects. I understand they also push less capable kids into BTECS rather than GCSEs.

AStudent Thu 20-May-10 21:33:14

Hello to all fellow parents and careers- I am a Holland Park student currently studying at year (censored)...
The A star-C results currently are actually 98.1%! and not around 60- that is just pure cow bollocks.
Students here CAN behave but some tend to try and get a bit of attention.
Yet it is still a fun school where you learn a lot and you get a sense of freedom rather than imprisonment.
Along with that the school is getting a major modernized upgrade in a few years.
You can search up the new school model on google.The upgrade would cost alot- an estimate of 70 million pounds!
Each and every (well most of the students I know) are quite creative and imaginative. Our teachers are totally awesome. Well some of them anyways- there's like 4 or 3 teachers that are a bit too strict but you can learn to ignore them.
Did I mention, the school's quite fun? It well takes up a new stage of learning through fun rather then just the typical method.
I am not someone who's advertising about Holland park but seriously it is quite a good school.
Bullying does happen- but it's more of joking rather then bullying- I hardly see anyone that's actually being bullied (well I haven't seen anyone being bullied in the school).
I also have a few friends that are from private schools and yet they're still getting A stars in their course work. They also really enjoy the school.
Even children in the middle set 60% of them get A stars because of the nice professional staff and having no pressure at all.
Along with that the school also has various and many things to participate in at all times.
No-one in this school is a "act big, gangsta wannabe" because people know how much they suck and how stupid being one is.
There are also a few fights that go on on the school but those are just small play fights by a few immature kids.
Overall, it's quite a nice school- but if your daughter has a strong mind and doesn't get too distracted by the attention seekers (they are quite funny and amusing- the kids are).
(Note: I am from a middle upper classed family).
It is also in the top 20 schools of the year book.

AStudent Thu 20-May-10 21:36:52

Also BTEC is for kids that peroform better in their course works and class- and trust me they do.
The only reason BTEC is considered bad is because it has too many attention seekers and clowns.
Most kids that are BTEC's peroform just as good as the GCSE or the top set ones. But when the exams come- they seem to flop...
But yeah, it is quite true that they push some uncapable kids to BTEC but mostly practical ones.

IHeartKittensAndWine Thu 20-May-10 22:36:31

toynee why is Dh threatening to take your DCs out of schools where they are "super happy"? That's a big issue, regardless of where you'd be sending them next. .Regardless of whether you like/don't like HPC you have to think about how well they've settled, what year they're in etc..

bunnymother Thu 20-May-10 22:48:26

I live near Holland Park School, and would not send my DCs there. Apologies if this offends anyone. I understand that the school is the reason why there is often a police presence at school finishing time along Campden Hill Road and the Tescos on Notting Hill Gate. Frankly, some of the students are badly behaved when leaving school for the day (can't comment on other times). I know of 2 incidents where non-student women were harassed. I am sorry I don't have a solution for you, just giving you my impression from living near by and also from speaking to other locals about it.

W10 Fri 21-May-10 08:58:01

A Student-

98% get 5 GCSEs (including soft subjects)but only 63% get English AND maths. That is from the school's own figures which are published in the league tables - not exactly great is it - if a third of kids are not achieving that?

You are very unlikely to get a decent university offer without maths and English at GCSE.

I have heard from kids at the school that there IS a bullying problem or are they just making it up?

mummytime Sat 22-May-10 18:12:43

The government (last one) only aimed for 50% of the population going to university. We need trades people etc. as well as graduates.
Not all students are capable of getting 5 good GCSEs including Maths and English. 63% isn't bad, there is a thread her from someone who's local schools only get 37%.

I don't know the school, but for a comprehensive intake 63% isn't bad.

violetqueen Mon 24-May-10 16:42:40

Umm - just my opinion ,but astudent's posts seem a little false to me ,like an adult trying to be a kid .
Could be wrong ,but that's my impression.

BafanaBafana Mon 24-May-10 16:45:06

People who can afford to live in Holland Park probably don't send their children there. That just about sums it up. Is it a 'rough' school? No, it's a better-than-average comprehensive. But it's a comprehensive. Not City of London or St Paul's.

cottagemum Wed 21-Sep-11 14:06:45

Hello BafanaBafana,
I am replying from another country as we are considering a move to London. To say I am overwhelmed with schools is an understatement! My 2 children are currently in a girls private school. However, as the cost of private school is so much greater in London we (my husband) would prefer a state school. I noticed you mentioned City of London School. Do you mean the girls or boys? I noticed there are two with same name. I believe the girls school offers a partial scholarship for art ability that my daughter may qualify for. My husband is also keen on Holland Park School as my daughter who will be entering year 7 in 2012 may qualify for one of their art ability spots. Also, do you know much about these new "free" schools?
Many thanks!

hillbilly Wed 20-Feb-13 22:07:58

I would be very interested to hear people's opinions of Holland Park school in the last couple of years. We are local to it and also now there is a new academy being built at the end of our road so have a few choices for our dd who is currently Year 3.

potatoprinter Thu 21-Feb-13 08:09:55

I currently have a child at Holland Park. There are other threads about it but it is generally a very good school and results have improved dramatically over the last few years. The new building is amazing. I would have no hesitation recommending it - there are a few thinks I don't like, but then again in 3 years they might have improved. If you have any specific questions I am happy to answer.

Are you referrring to Kensington Aldridge? That is 5 mins from me too - while I think it is completely the wrong location for a school, judging by the set up of Chelsea Academy a few years back, the borough will not be prepared to let it fail despite the comparatively tiny budget.

hillbilly Thu 21-Feb-13 18:47:00

Thanks potatoprinter. There are a few things I have heard which would need clarification.

1. That they are so results driven that they "cook the books" so to speak, only allowing student who are sure to pass, take GCSEs.

2. That the classes are streamed based on Maths, English and Science collectively so an artistic student who was good in English but not so much in Maths or Science would therefore be in a lower stream.

3. That it is very difficult to move between streams once you are there.

4. That it is not a very nurturing school and under achievers are passed over.

It's mostly hearsay but I really want to get a good and honest picture in my mind. I understand that the open day is very slick and more about them presenting their best side but not addressing other issues.

Yes, I do mean the Aldridge Academy. I guess we have to wait and see who the head will be. Also very keen to here up to date reposts of Burlington Danes which I hear has improved a lot.

potatoprinter Fri 22-Feb-13 08:44:21

Hillbilly to answer your points:

1. That they are so results driven that they "cook the books" so to speak, only allowing student who are sure to pass, take GCSEs
This is not true. I understand that all students take maths and English (I can't remember about science). Some students have special needs or simply a low IQ and it takes them three attempts to pass. Some students do a mixture of GCSE and BTEC because they simply do not have the intellectual capacity to do a lot of GCSEs.

2. That the classes are streamed based on Maths, English and Science collectively so an artistic student who was good in English but not so much in Maths or Science would therefore be in a lower stream.
The initial bands are based on the admissions test when they apply. About a third of the kids move after the first term. My child is in the top group of the top band and has been since she started. She is very good at English but just a bit above average at maths and science. Her strengths are definitely in the arts and she is one of the art aptitude students. She is predicted A at GCSE in everything.
On our experience that is not true but it would depend on the overall level. I think they take the maths and English and only look at science if it is borderline.

3. That it is very difficult to move between streams once you are there.
Again it depends. I think after the first term when they sort out the kids who are definitely in the wrong stream, they are quite accurate. They do another move at the end of year 8 when they start the GCSE courses. It is unusual to move between the bands(streams) but not uncommon to move within a band.

4.That it is not a very nurturing school and under achievers are passed over.
I think they try and get the best out of all the kids. What I would say is that the kids who are compliant, are outgoing and smiley and work bloody hard are the teachers favourites, but that is probably the case for many schools.
There does tend to be a group of about a dozen kids in the school at any time who always win the Perfect Tense award, are always picked for things like school trips etc. My DD is not one of them and it is galling at times. I think quiet children do get passed over. However the school seemed very proud of her as she has had some achievements outside of school.
To be honest I think very few secondary schools are nurturing. At the end of the day, your DC will be one of 240 in a year group.

Re the open day - yes they do put on a show and Mr Hall is very charming and a good speaker. Most kids including my daughter do like the school and are proud of it. My DD has made some lovely friends there and has a good social life outside of school.

Other comments:
* I don't like the early entry for GCSEs but no doubt all exams will be linear and sat in year 11 if Mr Gove has his way! He may potentially be a fellow parent as he and his wife visited the school last year for their son.
* The school is very strict and they do tend to be very very critical and often in assembly have a go at the children for what is going wrong rather than going right.
* There is a very high turnover of staff. They are expected to work extremely long hours and put a lot of extra work in.
* The art aptitude has been a great disappointment and there is little in the way of music provision.
* The sports facilities in the new school are very good and they hired a new head of sport, and look like they are pushing that aspect.
* Admin wise the school is appalling and I have personally had experience of some rude and completely inept admin staff.
* Despite most the teachers being female, the leadership is almost entirely male. Some people describe Mr Hall as a cult figure and while I would not particularly agree I do sometimes feel the school and particularly the new building are more about him and his deputy Mr Chappell and not about the kids. For example the new houses in the school are largely named after people from Mr Hall's personal life - an ex teacher, an ex pupil (not from HP) etc. All worthy no doubt, but nothing to do with HP.

hillbilly Fri 22-Feb-13 14:29:54

Thanks P for your in depth information. We are still a couple of years off, but I just want to find out as much as possible for us to be able to make an informed decision at the time.

potatoprinter Fri 22-Feb-13 15:03:57

Well check back here in a couple of years! I hope Kensington Aldridge attract a good headteacher - I don't like the one at Chelsea Academy at all. Hopefully it will be open in time for your DC. It should at least take the pressure off admissions at HP, I know some people on the Lancaster West who didn't get in last year.

Golborne Fri 10-May-13 10:05:07

Hi Potatoprinter,

Thanks for your insightful report. Our daughter is due to start secondary in 2014 and we're thinking about the arts aptitude at Holland Park as she loves art and has some talent. Can you say why you've been disappointed by that aspect of Holland Park?

potatoprinter Fri 10-May-13 17:41:49

Hi Golborne. I think the main thing to note about being an art aptitude student is that 99.9% of it is no different from all the other art teaching in the school.

My DD was part of the first intake of art aptitudes three years ago. They had quite a few specialist classes, events etc but that has all died down a bit now though they do have special classes from time to time.

The art club after school is open to all but seems to run in fits and starts.

I have not been happy with the art teaching in the school. It is no exaggeration to say that DD has learned very little and has had to teach herself.

The exhibitions are more to do with showing off the teacher's ideas and creating a certain "image" for the school rather than the childrens' work.

The senior art teacher is very difficult and can be quite unpleasant, though she seems to have mellowed as the kids get older. There is a very high turnover of staff in the art dept.

potatoprinter Fri 10-May-13 17:48:41

Having reviewed my earlier comments, I am happy to report that the school have appointed a new head of music to start in September and they seem to be making more of an effort in this area.

The other thing that potential parents might want to note is the almost total absence of school trips, both abroad and even within London. The only ones they run tend to be rewards for good behaviour/good work etc and it is always the same kids! Not my daughter unfortunately which is very disappointing.

blueemerald Mon 13-May-13 14:54:43

I'm a student teacher at the moment (English) and HP have been advertising for English teachers for months now. This means quite a few people I know have been for an interview (maybe 7 people I know in two groups). Not one of them liked the school. Not one of them wanted to work there. They particularly disliked the head teacher. It's very much a business model (more and more schools are going this way). They reported that the students seemed (overall) afraid or unable to express an opinion or work independently.

potatoprinter Mon 13-May-13 15:50:47

As a parent I don't agree with your comment about the students. I understand that the applicants assessment is basically teaching a prepared lesson to one of the high band groups watched by the SLT. I imagine this is why they children appear to be a bit wary. I can tell you that in most lessons even my quiet daughter is able to express her opinion quite happily and has been able to work independently in class and at home since year 7.

I agree with the observation about the business model and teachers are expected to put in very long hours at the school. I think Mr Hall is more frightening to the teachers than he is the students.

heidiwine Tue 21-May-13 21:03:44

I used to be a teacher at holland park and I can assure you blueemerald has got it spot on - well done to your friends for not being sucked in by the shine and shimmer!

If I had a bright, personable, middle class child who was well cared for at home and would do well regardless of the school I would consider holland park if the other options were awful. Any other type of child and I wouldn't give it a second glance.

It is a stifling atmosphere for staff and students and I don't imagine things have improved one bit since the new school has been built - £80million and not a single extra space! I'd love to know what all the sundries cost (flowers, candles, ridiculously branded staff planners etc etc).

notfluffy Tue 21-May-13 22:33:20

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Multitaskcentral Mon 24-Feb-14 09:58:36

Blueemerald and heidiwine as a parent at this school yes, to everything you have said. Three years trying to deal with the egotistical management of the head teacher.

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