So how do you try for Eton then?

(78 Posts)
Newyearchanger Mon 20-Jan-14 22:09:18

I read that you can try common entrance at 13, but I also saw comments about putting a child's name down.... What does that mean?

Eastpoint Tue 21-Jan-14 09:48:40

The Girls' Day School Trust are unflashy & were direct grant schools and they ask for family connections. I put down that my DDs' grandmother had been to Blackheath High in the 1920s. I didn't bother to put my mother had failed to get in twice in the 40s & 50s.

grovel Tue 21-Jan-14 09:54:33

These schools like to know how many children of old boys/girls they've got. They also like data about what parents do (20% military, 15% lawyers etc). I understand that they also tend to send a rather more personalised rejection letter to parents who were at the school themselves.

Michaelahpurple Tue 21-Jan-14 10:17:11

I know several clever sons of OEs who have not secured places.

And you don't "put your name down " any more - that went out a glue ago. Like any other school you have to register ahead of a deadline roughly 6 months before doing the exam for admin purposes. In E's case, as stated, by the date the boy is 10.5.

For Eton , westminster, St. Paul's and Winchester you need to have decided you are interested, and to register, during year 5, at various different dates.

All of them offer bursaries for those on very low incomes - scholarships are different. (Chiefly for glory)

Michaelahpurple Tue 21-Jan-14 10:18:35

Oh, and I think I read somewhere that state school bursary boys are sent to a prep school for two years to bridge the gap between primary and public school, and to allow them to study for the CE exam. Not sure what happens to non-bursary state school boys

Hulahaha Tue 21-Jan-14 10:19:31

My son got into Eton , both his parents are state school educated and not from a wealthy background - it didn't matter one little bit . They were charming in the interview process . At the talk about the admission process they bent over backwards to be inclusive about state school pupils . Don't believe all the old school nonsense it has changed - although it is still very expensive !

barbour Tue 21-Jan-14 10:33:07

i am not saying the old school family history is what it takes to get in ...but I suspect unofficially they will always make sure a decent proportion of sons of OEs will get in to keep prep and OEs happy ...they can get the same data by asking it on a post-offer data request form rather than the application form...if it's only the data they are interested in. Let's face it, no superselective state grammar can ask you that question.

barbour Tue 21-Jan-14 10:40:47

My point is, yes, it is likely lot more meritocratic than it used to be, and having an OE father is nowadays no guarantee ...but don't laud in the media saying it is a true (100%) meritocracy now, and then have those questions in your application process...they don't belong in a truly meritocratic selection process which should be based on the child's abilities alone.

IndridCold Tue 21-Jan-14 13:12:56

In my experience it's quite normal for private schools to ask if there is a family link to the school. We initially considered about 7 schools as a possibility for DS (6 or 7 years ago). Every single one of them asked us if we had a previous link with the school - and that was just when I was sending off for the prospectus!

They need to gather this information for their records, in any case. How are they to refute the accusation that sons of OE's are not given a special dispensation, if they don't have accurate information of how many OE's sons they actually have?

mrsjavierbardem Tue 21-Jan-14 13:22:22

no private school can have a 'truly meritocratic system'. Private school makes that a contradiction in terms.

A private school has to balance a number of vested interests and also manage public perception which tends to see the private sector as inevitably weakening the state system. They have to let some poor clever oiks in now or their PR suffers. Where they have 500 boys who have all passed the exam they then can start weeding out based on other skills and factors. And if your dad can build a new school pool - then you will be more likely to get a place - that's always been the case.

David Cameron
Tony Blair
George Osbourne
Boris.
Nuff said.

This country right now is run by a highly privileged elite; that can't really be denied.

nibs777 Tue 21-Jan-14 16:37:11

agree with that mrsjavierbardem.....they stick the videos of the poor clever ones that get in on scholarships at sixth form on youtube for maximum PR value...the elite who come out of these schools and go on to run things are usually elite before they got there anyway.

Dapplegrey Tue 21-Jan-14 16:56:40

Eton is an independent school - it can ask what questions it likes on the application form.

middleclassonbursary Tue 21-Jan-14 18:14:58

barbour we know at least four old Etonians including one well known hereditary peer whose DS's didn't get into Eton. Every school we've ever registered our DS for has asked us about family connections. My DS was offered places at the one my DH went too and the ones he didn't (all very over subscribed). We've also always been asked our occupations, anyone with a bit of common sense would then guess that unless we had other money that at best we are comfortably off but that we aren't in the 33k+ PA school fee league. I've got nothing to hide so it doesn't bother me.

I think with the advent of the pre-tests you have to be at a reasonable academic standard before they even talk to you so if you don't get over the first hurdle your connections don't mean a lot.

I agree with previous posters, all the schools I've registered the DC for prep and senior have asked about connections to the school and occupation.

Newyearchanger Tue 21-Jan-14 19:59:40

Sounds like too late for us... Ds is yr 7 local independent on academic scholarship. Not a super selective I dontthink. He seems to have just taken off and has come top in everything so it just crossed my mind to possibly move somewhere a bit more academic in yr 9.

Ill have another look at the website anyway.

We earn too much for much of a bursary but not enough to pay that sort of money.

Thanks all.

nibs777 Tue 21-Jan-14 20:12:10

is he at day school or boarding Newyearchanger?

Newyearchanger Tue 21-Jan-14 20:17:26

Day but keen to do occasional nights soon smile

middleclassonbursary Tue 21-Jan-14 20:34:44

"We earn too much for a bursary but not enough to pay that fort of money"
How do you know this? Contrary to popular opinion there is will not be a £40 000 max earning to qualify for a bursary for a boarding school like Eton.

Newyearchanger Tue 21-Jan-14 21:44:10

Yes , 10 % scholarship would be too little but our joint income is fairly high but as I say not at 30 grand a year to spare sort of high

Newyearchanger Tue 21-Jan-14 21:44:42

Depends on the bursary level I suppose.

middleclassonbursary Tue 21-Jan-14 21:52:24

As already stated you've missed the boat for entry to Eton for non scholars but both scholars and non scholars can apply and indeed get substantial bursaries, for scholars this is added up the automatic 10% reduction.
If you earnings/assets etc are not sufficient to cover the fees then at a school like Eton and a few others it very likely you will qualify for a bursary.

middleclassonbursary Tue 21-Jan-14 21:54:31

I hate autocorrect. I was trying to say for scholars this is added onto the automatic 10% reduction.

Newyearchanger Tue 21-Jan-14 22:10:58

Had a look, so he could do the Kings Scholar exam only then , 14 in the year .

middleclassonbursary Tue 21-Jan-14 22:24:48

Yes that's right. The Kings Scholarship or KS as it is known is notoriously difficult but anyone can enter their DS for it I believe.

Newyearchanger Tue 21-Jan-14 22:28:38

Thanks, shame , but I guess we hadn't made that decision last year so can't be helped.

We just looked at the Latin. He could give it a fair shot, not ridiculously hard but fairly challenging .

ShaynePunim Wed 22-Jan-14 14:18:24

"it sort of suggests there are still a certain % of places unofficially "reserved" for those who can answer, "my father and grandfather is an OE".

Well, that would suggest that your father is also your grandfather, so probably not the type they're looking for.

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