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Surrey vs Bromley for high schools? Getting first choice?

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wineoclocktimeyet Sun 30-Jun-13 20:12:08

You really need to visit and see for yourself alembaye. Only you know your son and what will suit him. OFSTED reports are only a very small part of a school.

Also, if the property is really near to Ravensbourne, it may also be in the Ravenswood catchment.

alembaye1234 Sat 29-Jun-13 23:15:57

Am looking a secondary school for my boy at bROMLEY area,which i saw(to buy) a property very near to the ravensbourne school,buy not sure after reading the OFSTD report.I want someone send their kids to this school,i need to decide urgently . please help,am thinking to move out from dulwich.

Gilnahirk Sat 29-Jun-13 13:02:30

I also know several families happy with Bishop Justus. Its GCSE results were better than Ravenswood's last year, so I can't see why it should be so much less desirable (though I know GCSE results aren't everything).

Dominodonkey Thu 27-Jun-13 15:49:51

twistlethant yes, a good summary of why BJ is an interesting case. It took students who didn't have a school and then took a large group from All Saints/Rigby when they closed. All of those students are long gone. Most students do well there but if a child has a tendency to stray from the correct path I would not be sure that BJ would be the best choice for them.

Preezie Thu 27-Jun-13 12:59:20

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wineoclocktimeyet Wed 26-Jun-13 21:35:07

Preezie - I've PM'ed you

Twistlethant Wed 26-Jun-13 17:27:12

Oops!
I know several parents with children there who are very happy. I also know that it's very much second or third choice in this area. I think the problem is twofold: firstly, BJ is quite close in terms of catchment to Ravens Wood and Bullers Wood (highly regarded boys and girls respectively) and Ravensbourne, which has been around much longer than BJ and tends to be the mixed secondary to go for in the area. Also BJ didn't have the best of starts when it was founded (about 10 years ago?) as it didn't have a home initially ( now in fab new building) and was the place you were allocated if you couldn't get in anywhere else.
As I said, I do know parents who are very happy with it, so any negative reputation may be unjustified.

Twistlethant Wed 26-Jun-13 17:15:28

I might be able to shed some light on this one.
Bishop Justus (not Justice!) has rather a mixed reputation in the area. I know several parents with ch

Preezie Wed 26-Jun-13 13:30:52

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wineoclocktimeyet Tue 25-Jun-13 15:40:11

I realised I had forgotten Bishops Justice and that was because, allthough it is nearly the closest secondary school to our primary, not a single child in this year's Year 6 applied to it.

Please feel free to PM me if you have any further queries.

Copthallresident Tue 25-Jun-13 12:33:49

preezie the last two years have been the calm before the storm in terms of pupil numbers. Catchments in our borough had been shrinking for years but have been stable for the last two years. However our current Year 5 has 200 more pupils than the current Year 6 and year 4 300 more, a 15% jump in pupil numbers and that figure is pretty similar in all the outer London boroughs. This is a London wide issue and the Free School programme is the only way of getting new schools. We have one 150 pupil school approved but with no room to expand existing schools clearly there is going to be a rapid shrinking of existing catchments.

Preezie Tue 25-Jun-13 09:21:12

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Preezie Mon 24-Jun-13 22:34:13

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wineoclocktimeyet Mon 24-Jun-13 21:00:30

If you were referring to Hayes, their catchment didnt reach Bromley Common this year as far as I know.

Also, meant to add, our primary school is on Bromley Common and with the exception of those who took and didnt pass the selective school exams, everyone I know got their first choice of school, although I know this wasnt the case in other parts of the borough.

wineoclocktimeyet Mon 24-Jun-13 20:57:46

Bromley Common is (currently) in the catchment for Ravenswood boys, which is highly thought of, Ravensbourne (mixed) which is less academic but up and coming. The Bromley end is in the Bullers Wood (girls) catchment and that is very well thought of.

If the outstanding one you mentioned is Darrick Wood, you would have to be right up at the Locksbottom end of Bromley Common to be within catchment.

St Olaves (boys) and Newstead Woods (girls) are the super selectives and they are both in Orpington which is only one bus ride away from B Common. Also, the Bexley Grammar schools are also only 1 - if you are in the Bickley area or otherwise 2 buses away.

Please feel free to ask (or PM me) if you have any questions.

Preezie Mon 24-Jun-13 17:10:07

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Copthallresident Mon 24-Jun-13 13:10:36

You will be very lucky to get away with a max of 13k for a private school. Even the Girls' Day School Trust whose schools, Bromley, Croydon and Streatham High in your area, tend to charge the most affordable fees, charge 4.5k per term. Then you have to factor in the trips, extra curricular, music lessons etc. Those rarely fail to add in a few hundred and it would be a shame to deny your child a chance to develop a talent or be included in the same activities as their friends.

Otherwise I know that in Bromley and the area of Surrey you are thinking of, the existence of Grammar Schools means that if you want to get your child into a Grammar then you are signing up to a serious tutoring culture. Living on Bromley Common i have friends who put their DCs in for the exams to get into the Sutton and Eltham Grammars as well as the very selective St Olaves in Orpington and Newstead Woods in Beckenham. You would need to understand where your DCs had the potential to get in and whether as a family you want to persue that course, the commitment in terms of either tutoring yourself or finding a tutor and then the time and work and pressure. There are no end of threads on here on making that decision and what it entails.

Getting into an outstanding non selective state school is more a matter of finding a house in the right place than finding a house of your choice. If you have not bought a house that is safely within the catchment distance, bearing in mind that the current year 5s and 4s are part of a huge pupil bulge that is going to hit London secondary's in the next few years and put a severe pressure on school places so that catchments will shrink, then you may well be faced with being allocated a far away school you didn't even include in your preferences. We are in another part of Surrey and that is already happening. I would ring the local authority and get information on current catchments and then make sure that the house you buy is well within catchment for the school(s) you want. Again you will often find threads on here that will access you local knowledge, there have certainly been ones on Bromley on here.

Preezie Mon 24-Jun-13 12:19:29

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Preezie Mon 24-Jun-13 12:14:15

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