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No good secondaries in Warsash? Where children go after the primary?

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greenandorange · 28/05/2013 17:07

Have been looking at this area. Looks like there is a nice primary school but for secondary schools Ofsted reports are poor. Do children travel?
Thanks.

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Erebus · 28/05/2013 19:07

Answered you on the other thread.

I think the consensus is avoid all Southampton secondary schools (I mean Southampton city 'LEA'). Someone tells me that 10% of So'ton DC go to secondary schools outside of So'ton the schools are so badly regarded! Don't know where Warsash feeds into. Shouldn't be hard to find out.

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Erebus · 28/05/2013 19:10
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greenandorange · 28/05/2013 23:11

Thank you Erebus. Will check your link now.

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wearingpurple · 28/05/2013 23:21

Can't you go for Fareham secondaries? Cams Hill supposed to be good.

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Sidge · 28/05/2013 23:25

You'd be lucky to get into Cam's Hill living in Warsash - it's very oversubscribed.

I think Brookfield is supposed to be quite good?

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Tommy · 28/05/2013 23:27

where's your other thread?
what about Brookvale?
not sure which secondary the Warsash schools feed into?

Southampton schools maybe badly regarded by some ignorant people but there are plenty of very good schools there

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greenandorange · 28/05/2013 23:55

Will check Cam Hill, thanks! Tommy, my other thread is in Education section. Thanks. Southampton indeed has some outstanding primaries but the area around the schools is probably busy because of students.

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Talkinpeace · 29/05/2013 19:49

Tommy
Southampton schools maybe badly regarded by some ignorant people but there are plenty of very good schools there
I do not consider myself ignorant, but I'm absolutely certain that Southampton's schools have a GREAT deal of scope for improvement and significant parts of the city have no decent Secondary provision

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which is your feeder?

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Erebus · 29/05/2013 20:08

I'd agree with Talkin here, re Southampton secondaries. I can't speak for the Catholic schools but I don't hear much good out of many others, either, sorry. I know someone personally who cheated the system to get his DSs in Cantell 15 years ago. He watched it plummet over the next few years.

I mean look here A quick glance shows maybe Bitterne and Noadswood are in the second fifth of similar schools, nationally, by results.

It may be 'pushing the biscuit' a little to suggest caution over choosing many, if not most Southampton secondaries renders that person 'ignorant', exactly, tbf.

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greenandorange · 29/05/2013 23:02

Thanks Erebus, Talkingpeace. Warsash looks like a nice area to live but it does not have good secondaries. Check the link below and you will be surprised at the lack of good secondary schools in the whole county. That is quite worrying. Thorden stands out.
www.education.gov.uk/cgi-bin/schools/performance/group.pl?qtype=LA&no=850&superview=sec

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lapucelle · 30/05/2013 08:55

When looking at such a table you should take into account that Hampshire is not a selective county - it has no grammar schools. Without selecting on entrance its schools are not going to perform comparably to superselective grammar schools in such tables. Thornden gets high results through covert selection - its catchment has very high demographics and very few children in the school are on free school meals. Schools like Mountbatten don't look stellar in such tables but children in the top stream there do well academically and they are considered good schools.

I disagree with the statement that there are few good secondary schools in Hampshire. You need to look in more detail at the value added and progression statistics and at how different streams in the schools perform. Schools such as Thornden and King's in Winchester are so highly rated that children from prep schools go onto them rather than going to private schools. Hampshire has rather few private day secondary schools (lots of boarding schools but they are filled with children who don't live in Hampshire) because there are good alternatives in the state sector. And the sixth form colleges - which are selective - produce some of the best results in the country, with many private school children leaving Winchester, St Swithuns, KES (Southampton) etc to go there.

As I wrote on the other thread, you can only get a very limited view of schools using tables and statistics. The small differences between performances of Chandler's Ford primary schools can be mostly explained by the slight differences in their demographics. Children in the top stream of Mountbatten may well outperform many children in the grammars of the neighbouring counties even if the overall performance of Mountbatten looks worse in the tables. And so on.

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Talkinpeace · 30/05/2013 16:31

greenandorange

I utterly disagree with your statement that there are no good secondaries in Hampshire.
We have non selective schools so every school caters for every child.
And yet many of our comps get higher results than Kent's grammars.

and the 6th form Colleges get amazing results : people move hundreds of miles to get into some of them (thousands of miles in the case of Peter Symonds)

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greenandorange · 30/05/2013 18:56

Sorry talkingpeace and lapucelle. I didn't mean to undermine Hampshire secondaries. I remember while reading lots of threads on schools in/around Southampton, many would praise Thorden, St. swithun, Peter Symonds and Kings but many would also talk about how bad some schools are. Therefore I assumed that there was a lack of great secondary schools in comparison to primaries. I am really sorry if I have offendes anyone.

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Talkinpeace · 30/05/2013 19:00

Not offended, just not compared like with like.

Comps take all kids so statistically they will get around 70% of kids 5 good GCSEs and 30% of kids EBACC
Anything more than that is good, less than that is a concern.

Hampshire's secondaries, generally, do better than statistics.
Southampton and Portsmouth's worse.
But its a vicious cycle caused by "parental choice".

You cannot compare Hampshire schools with any selective school : once you do that, you can see why we rather like them.

And I'm being mean on Peter Symonds : they are the 6th form for the Falklands!

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greenandorange · 31/05/2013 19:18

thanks talkinpeace! Sorry I didn't get the last part Blush.

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