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11+ verbal reasoning and maths(34 Posts)
help!!! I'm stressing already about my daughter doing exams in sept! How much work should she be doing??!! She's reasonably intelligent but i obviously want her 2get into a good school!
the website is scary, but go to the help section and look for DIY tutoring. There are some helpful outlines of what you needs to do and how to do it. they suggest which books eg there is a good book which has an explanation of all the VR question types and how to do them. Very straightforward
A question about vocabulary. I read with my daughter and ask her for the meaning of certain tricky words. Is it important that she is able to define them or say a synonymous word or is explaining in a relatively lengthy way good enough? That is what she does. She may know what it means and give me examples etc but she can usually not define it.
Should I work on that?
We are doing same test..but not til next year. We'll start tutoring soon. I know others who have already started. I know very bright kids who did not get in this year but did get offers of scholarships to independent schools, so I think you have to see it as a bit of a lottery: there is only 1 place for every 6 children that apply.
There is a 11+ Vocab app advertised that which covers the following, which might be a good way to start:
enlondon: if she understands the meaning of the word then I think that is enough. DS1 went through a phase of explaining the meaning of each word within the context of Star Wars!
I think you just need to chill. If you have an able child they will get through the 11+ exams as long as they have some practice behind them. We started in March with DS doing the 11+ (and other selective) exams twixt early September and mid-November of the same year.
He wasn't the most willing of students so we certainly didn't 'over-do' the prep - he was doing Bond-online with half a maths/English/VR/VR test every couple of days too right up until the summer hols. But we didn't teach him per se - it was practice and just going over the questions/maths he didn't seem to get.
FWIW I think there was a reasonable amount of maths that they hadn't yet covered in KS2 syllabus (by the beginning of Year 6) but some schools might be more ahead than others on such things so you can only really find out thro' practice.
We slightly buried our heads in the sand about DS's English (wrongly so with the benefit of hindsight), so did not really concentrate on essay-writing etc....However, it became evident that when DS needs to, he is quite capable of pulling a good essay out of the bag (just that for most homework at primary school he couldn't be bothered to!) so all was well.
DS is now at a super-selective. I think what clinched it for him was less the six months' practice of the different components than speed and not getting stressed about exams. They are however less easy to 'teach' than the core skills required of the tests.
I think that the 11+Forum website is scary indeed. Some parents seem to expect the earth of their DCs in preparing for the tests. It is really not fair to put 10 year olds under that much pressure and the sense of disappointment is no doubt ramped up significantly, the more there is riding on a positive outcome :-(.
As DS passed three 11+ exams we are considered to be 'experts' by other parents at the primary school our DCs attend(ed). We are not. I would certainly not sanction prepping them for years in advance. I think six months to a year is long enough. Certainly by the time DS came to do the 11+ exams he was really fed up with the practice (even though it still constituted only about an hour of his summer hols' days) and was making loads of careless mistakes in his papers. As we all know from our own experiences, one reaches saturation point and anything thereafter can confuse and be counter-productive.
What I would advocate is starting with the Bond books and then moving to other worthy exam prep closer to the exams. It also helped that the Susan Daughtrey prep books and others had shorter tests in them so DS saw them as more appealing (and was therefore more receptive to them) in the final push to the exams!
Good luck and I don't envy any of you. We have a 7 year old DD who has all this ahead of her..... ;-(! And we've worked out that she will be prepping for 11+ as big bro' is doing his GCSEs!
allagory: if you think the academic selection test is a lottery, what is your opinion of the music selection process?
It wasn't until I'd seen two cohorts through this that I realised quite how arbitrary it actually is.
Christ's Hospital which is virtually all full boarding from yr 7 and does sports scholarships and offers means tested bursaries to all its applicants.
Oops posted on the wrong thread by mistake.
We are in an 11+ area but ds won't be doing it. I'm amazed at how many people I know reserved tutors from year 2. Some started tutoring in year 4 and everyone I know has tutors lined up to start at the beginning of year 5. This is the same whether the children are at private or state school (the private school doesn't prep for 11+ but does do CATs to assess whether the dcs are capable of passing 11+).
Before ds changed school and meant he wouldn't do the 11+ I only knew one friend who had planned 11+ tutors. After ds moved I was amazed at the number of friends who then confessed they had booked tutors. I thought I was pretty close to some of these people so I was surprised at the level of secrecy about it. Ds is committed to staying at his new school until 13 so I'm pleased we won't have to face this.
In my day (over 37 years ago!) we did three practice papers in class and that was it. No tutors, no mention of anyone getting tutored (I'm not sure they even existed back then). It was viewed as an exam to decide what was the most suitable school and there was no shame attached with failing and no reward for passing. I can't believe what it has become now. We are in Bucks and the council has revised the exam to be tutor proof but everyone is still going ahead with tutoring.
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