How does waiting list work in grammar schools?

(21 Posts)
ce09ssa Tue 05-Mar-13 11:47:24

After long wait, I received the letter from my second choice grammar school. Her marks is same as the last place offered on 1st of March. Can somebody PLEASE tell me what are her chances of getting into that school. How long do I have to wait?
I can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

prh47bridge Tue 05-Mar-13 11:53:06

If the school decides admissions based on the child's test score your daughter will be at or near the top of the waiting list. However, any late applicants may move ahead of her on the list if they achieve a better test score. Movement on the waiting list should start as soon as someone rejects the place they have been offered.

If you ring the school they should be able to confirm your daughter's position on the waiting list. They may also be willing to tell you how many children were admitted from the waiting list last year, which will give you some idea of your chances.

admission Tue 05-Mar-13 12:26:19

PRH is assuming that the admission criteria is based on the test scores, which it could well be. It is however possible that the admission criteria is based on achieving a minimum score and the admission criteria such as distance from the school.
Can you confirm what exactly the admission criteria is based on please.

tiggytape Tue 05-Mar-13 13:24:16

As admissions and prh say if test score is the only factor, it looks like you missed out on the tiebreaker (usually distance is used to separate candidates who have the exact same score) but the only way to know for certain is to look at the school admission policy because it might be that score alone isn't the only factor.

The school will be able to confirm, but I would bet you'll be quite high up the waiting list. If this is the case, the waiting lists normally start moving in another week or so and continue to move sometimes right up until September and beyond. The time it takes depends on how many are above you, whether people hang on to their places for ages before finally declining and whether other people ask to be added to the list who have a higher score but who originally didn't want this school and have changed their minds. If you're high up the list hopefully it will be a matter of weeks rather than months but there are no certain answers - it depends largely on how quickly the other parents get their acceptances sent back.

ce09ssa Tue 05-Mar-13 13:47:10

It is based on the criteria of 'out of borough'.
I phoned them in the morning and they didn't tell us anything. They just said wait until end of the month, then we will be in the better position to tell you. As I have mentioned before she had the same mark as the last person offered on the 1st March (in the same criteria mentioned above).

tiggytape Tue 05-Mar-13 14:00:16

So the school has a catchment or priority area?

If so, it can change the mark your DD will need.
Some grammar schools have 2 cut-off marks: The highest one must be achieved by children outside the catchment area in order to get a place.
The second mark is for children who live inside the catchment zone and is normally lower.

If you have the same mark as another 'out of catchment' person who got offered a place, you have probably narrowly missed out and may get in from the list.
If however your DD's score is only the same as the last 'in catchment' child to get a place, it may mean she has missed the score needed by many more points. I understand the school won't know anythign about lists until they've had most of the acceptances back which could be a couple of weeks but it might be worth finding out which score your daughter matched - the in or out of catchment one and therefore if it was a near miss or not.

gazzalw Tue 05-Mar-13 17:23:26

Hi Ce09ssa, we had this last year with DS.

He got offered his third choice grammar school on Offers Day (which we accepted) but then found out he got the cut off score for his second choice grammar. He narrowly missed out on being offered a place first time around based on our home distance from the school. We were, within a week of Offers Day, given very positive reason to believe that his second choice grammar would be in a position "very shortly" to offer him a place, as he was 9th on the waiting list. I think that by the end of March he'd got his second choice school offer and is now happily at that grammar school.

So have faith and good luck to your DD!

gazzalw Tue 05-Mar-13 17:55:38

Sorry I might have given you false hope - have just read your other thread about being on the waiting list. I misunderstood, I think. DS got the same score as the last boys to be offered a place on 1st March last year but because there were a lot of boys obviously with the same score (and we obviously lived further away than a lot of them, although same side of London, next Borough, quite close to the border) he was 9th on the waiting list.

I think if I have read the other thread correctly that your DD got 14 points less than the last girl offered a place on Offers Day? That will make a considerable difference to her chances depending on numbers of girls with higher scores and bearing in mind that there may be lots of girls sitting on one score.

Sorry sad.

tiggytape Tue 05-Mar-13 18:00:45

gazza - I think the OP's DD was 14 points away for Tiffins but on the same score for another Grammar School which has some sort of distance criteria that might be a catchment policy or might just be a tie-breaker.
You (I think) initially missed out last year purely on a distance tie-breaker having reached the same score as the last child admitted but living further away.
The OP might be in the same situation as you (in which case very likely to get an offer) or might be referring to one of the girls' grammars that do things differently by having a priority area with a higher score required if you live outside this.

gazzalw Tue 05-Mar-13 18:08:14

OOps blush yes I will crawl back into my hole!

tiggytape Tue 05-Mar-13 18:41:20

Don't do that gazzalw smile.
As you know the grammars vary so much in their admissions arrangements and oversubscription criteria that it is hard to keep track. What looks like a near-miss at one school can be a very different situation at another.

Not knowing which Grammar OP is talking about means it is just guess work. If it is a school like Nonsuch, her DD will need to beat the score of the last in-catchment pupil admitted by many points in order to get a place from out of catchment
If it is a school like Henrietta Barnett (which has a distance tie breaker) and OP’s daughter has matched the last score admitted, she is very likely to be top of the waiting list.

gazzalw Tue 05-Mar-13 18:51:16

Thanks Tiggytape! You've made me feel less stupid!

Wasn't Tiffin Girls mentioned in OP's other thread....

So glad that we've got another couple of years before being back in this situation again.... hmm!

tiggytape Tue 05-Mar-13 19:05:12

Yes - I think OP's first choice was Tiffins with a 14 point shortfall and was discussed on another thread.
This thread (I think) refers to OP's second choice grammar which is not named but has either a distance tie-breaker or a formal catchment area - it is not clear which but has some bearing on whether a matched score is hopeful news.

ce09ssa Tue 05-Mar-13 21:06:50

Just to make matter easy my second choice was Wallington.
I gave hope on Tiffins as everybody said it seems very unlikely to get DD into Tiifins. I am more keen now for my second choice.Let' s see, Fingers cross!!!!!

gazzalw Wed 06-Mar-13 06:38:03

Wallington certainly seems a more hopeful outcome for you! One of DS's classmates went there and is enjoying it. It has by far the largest intake of any of the SW London grammar schools, so, I would have thought, more likely to have a bit more movement.

Fingers crossed

kravings Wed 06-Mar-13 20:04:57

Call up the local council, they may be able to inform you where you are on the waiting list. If not, I have a feeling that your DD is certainly in the top ten and will soon receive a positive reply from the school.

tiggytape Wed 06-Mar-13 20:48:39

Wallington is an academy so the school not the council will run the waiting list and deal with any queries. They should be able to tell you your position on the list fairly soon - replies should be in in a couple of weeks and they'll know more then. Fingers crossed for good news.

admission Wed 06-Mar-13 22:19:18

Having looked at Wallingtons admission criteria it is quite complicated. There is a pass mark for the tests as decided by the school, then it depends on so many allocated places by the actually scores in the tests, so many on two different distances criteria, one from the school and one from another geographical point!
So without knowing exactly where you come in each of the categories it would be very difficult to advice other than keep in touch with the school and ask for more information on where you stand on the waiting list.

ce09ssa Thu 07-Mar-13 17:45:54

HI admission. You are really making me more confuse. We live in Wandsworth and Wallington comes under Sutton. What I think, we come in the first criteria. School is not disclosing anything yet. It's an anxious long wait. We are waiting every day hoping to hear a good news from them.
My DD had scored 378 under the first criteria and the last person went in under this criteria had the same mark 378. What's everybody think? What are my DD's chances in relation to her score under the first criteria at Wallington???????????

tiggytape Thu 07-Mar-13 18:19:20

ce09ssa - it doesn't matter which borough you live in. Wallington operates a catchment area. There are 2 circles drawn on this map to show the catchment areas for the school. If you live inside one of these circles, you'll only need a lower score to get a place than if you live outside the circles.

The map says Wandworth is outside the circle but you'd have to check for yourself as it goes road by road not borough by borough.

Knowing your DD scored 378 only helps if you know whether the other person who scored 378 lives inside or outside the catchment area.
If the person who scored 378 lives outside the circle, your chances are good and you'll probably be near the top of the waiting list.
If the person who scored 378 lives inside the circle, your chances are less good because, if the lowest score for an in-catchment child is 378, then the score out of catchment is likely to be much higher.

To give you an idea: in 2011, pupils needed 391 to get a place if they lived out of catchment but only 371 if they lived inside catchment.
I cannot find the cut-off scores for this year. They probably aren't known yet.

ce09ssa Thu 07-Mar-13 18:31:59

I do not come under any catchment bands. Really nervous!!!!!!!!!!1
Does anybody know that how may places were offered after 1st of March?????

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