Is it normal to give a DS detention for something a parent hasn't done?

(81 Posts)
Ilisten2theradio Tue 04-Dec-12 18:13:09

DS had a 15 minute detention today because I hadn't signed last weeks homework planner.

I had seen it and forgotten to sign it. BUT I think it is unfair to give him a detention for something that I didn't do.

WWYD? Or WDY think?

DoesntTurkeyNSproutSoupDragOn Wed 05-Dec-12 15:37:24

The point is that some unsigned planners will be the result of parental error and some the result of the pupil not getting it signed. It is impossible to tell which is which.

mummytime Wed 05-Dec-12 17:53:09

bigbluebus we have a similar issue for some pupils at DCs school (some come from a village by bus). I think part of the punishment of after school detentions (most are in school time) is that the parent moans and complains.

Haggisfish Wed 05-Dec-12 22:31:48

Checking planners are signed is one of the bains of my life as a tutor. It amazes me more students don't have the nous to forge the signature, or get it done weeks in advance. I tend to find parents who sign them are the sort of parent who know what is going on anyway and vice versa.

DoesntTurkeyNSproutSoupDragOn Thu 06-Dec-12 07:13:16

DSs school has a mentor system - two 6th formers in each tutor group. I think many tutors palm off the planner signing onto them!

Lancelottie Thu 06-Dec-12 09:34:22

It could make an interesting interview question, actually.
'When in school, what approach did you take to the requirement that your planner had to be signed every week?'

Persuaded parents to sign = straitlaced, organised, suitable office manager
Forged signature = unscrupulous but effective, might make a journalist
Ran two planners = tax accountant for Amazon...

RooneyMara Thu 06-Dec-12 09:49:00

God it sounds a pointless punishment for something so pathetic

Are all secondary schools like this?

chocoluvva Thu 06-Dec-12 09:56:59

grin at Lancelottie
This sort of approach by schools drives me crackers! What is it with schools these days? As if the curriculum isn't overloaded already and paperwork isn't excessive best require teachers to check that a form has been signed by parents every week.
I know this will make me sound like an old gimmer.....
But to continue this rant anyway - I did well at school despite no parental input. And like my parents I consider that I support the school by doing my utmost to have the DCs there on time, behave themselves when they're there and foster an attitude that values EDUCATION.
The older teachers I know don't approve of asking parents to sign homework planners and suchlike nonsense as they know that some parents just won't and they'd rather their pupils spent their evenings doing scouts/brownies/swimming/reading for pleasure/practising an instrument/baking etc than spending ages doing ridiculous projects.
Schools are not gods - they're institutions which are meant to provide an education for six hours a day five days a week. After that they can buzz off with their endless planners, projects, dressing-up, £4000 trips to latin america etc.

Great thread - YADNBU

mummytime Thu 06-Dec-12 10:36:37

Checking planners doesn't need to take long! My DCs school has 1/2 hour form time each day (at 1:30), some of these (1-2) are used for assemblies. 1-2 are normally "reading", the other one the teacher goes around and they have planners on desk, it takes no more than 5 minutes to check everyones planner (I have done it as a student at another school).
If you are very strict at the beginning of the year, they know you will turn to detention page and write in warning or detention.
At all schools I know planners are diaries given to students at the beginning of the year, and they are supposed to betaken to all lessons, and detentions will be given if not done so.

Students do much better if parents are involved. Yes some parents couldn't give a damn, but that isn't an excuse for schools not to try.

Also most detentions at DCs school are given at Lunchtime, often in the Hall with SLT on duty, sometimes in a central space for specific subjects.

But maybe this is why DCs school is one of the highest performing Comprehensives in the country?

seeker Thu 06-Dec-12 10:39:00

Or you could just sign it?

DoesntTurkeyNSproutSoupDragOn Thu 06-Dec-12 11:13:50

DS1 told me I had to sign his planner as he was leaving (late) for the bus this morning. I refused as there was no time and he told me it would be my fault he got a detention. I simply pointed out that it was his fault he hadn't asked me at any point in the last 24 hours or so. [shrug]

noblegiraffe Thu 06-Dec-12 11:40:50

Tutors get bollocked by heads of year if they don't monitor planners and signatures at my school, so the shit filters down.

pastoralacademia Thu 06-Dec-12 11:56:07

DS1 told me I had to sign his planner as he was leaving (late) for the bus this morning. I refused as there was no time and he told me it would be my fault he got a detention. I simply pointed out that it was his fault he hadn't asked me at any point in the last 24 hours or so. [shrug] charming!!!!

ChippingInAWinterWonderland Thu 06-Dec-12 12:08:17

Are they nice planners?

stationery addict

DoesntTurkeyNSproutSoupDragOn Thu 06-Dec-12 12:10:41

Who's charming??

pastoralacademia Thu 06-Dec-12 12:13:43

biscuit

DoesntTurkeyNSproutSoupDragOn Thu 06-Dec-12 12:19:05

What are you on about?

DoesntTurkeyNSproutSoupDragOn Thu 06-Dec-12 12:20:56

Please explain your comment, it would be most helpful.

SuffolkNWhat Thu 06-Dec-12 12:48:34

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

lljkk Thu 06-Dec-12 13:43:35

Please, SuffolkNWhat: What does it mean to YOU for a parent to sign a planner? I've never been told (apologies if answer is buried somewhere in this long thread).

SuffolkNWhat Thu 06-Dec-12 13:54:30

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Lancelottie Thu 06-Dec-12 14:09:06

Ah ha! Completion of homework, not setting of homework? So we should be signing it for a week or so previously, not up to date? (Head explodes...)

chocoluvva Thu 06-Dec-12 14:11:45

I care deeply about my DCs education - that's why I buy them books at Christmas, encourage their academic interests, ask them if they've homework to do, discourage too much screen-nonsense - but I'm not prepared to sit over them doing homework in the evening.
My DCs' excellent (state) schools don't require planners to be signed.
Most of the posts on this thread give the impression that signing planners and checking they've been signed is a largely meaningless activity.

lljkk Thu 06-Dec-12 17:48:19

So the point of parent signing is to make a statement that to the best of their knowledge homework has been completed?

In your planners, are detention plans recorded in the previous week or elsewhere, are parents expected to check different pages of the planner?

Why is none of this ever explained to parents?

Two of the local secondaries has parental logins, with info on them like homework & debits. I think I would find that more accessible (DS planner is away at school with him half the time). Sadly, DS school lacks parent login accounts.

RooneyMara Thu 06-Dec-12 17:54:03

Bit in love with Chipping, here grin

Blissx Thu 06-Dec-12 19:24:50

You didn't come on here to discuss his SN, yet mention it a couple of times with the tone that this should excuse him, so don't be too harsh on Arisbottle!
Incidentally, it appears the school is trying to support his dis-organisation by following procedures and repetitive consequences rather than just ignoring it and letting him off the detention because of his statement, with the possibility it might get worse.

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