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Ok, be gentle; where will this maths level place her?

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Iamnotminterested · 17/10/2012 17:02

DD's school will be setting them soon, think after half-term so beginning of November. There will be 3 abillity sets, plus a fourth for children who need a lot of support/SEN/ EAL etc. Where do people think a result of 4c would put her? Thankyou.

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Adversecamber · 17/10/2012 17:07

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mrsshears · 17/10/2012 17:08

Depends on which year group she is in Grin
( be gentle? coming from you?) Wink

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Iamnotminterested · 17/10/2012 17:09

Hand holding greatly appreciated. Is your DS similar to my Dd re maths?

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gymboywalton · 17/10/2012 17:09

if year 7 then i woul imagine a middle set

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Iamnotminterested · 17/10/2012 17:11

Oh, mrsshears, am I that bad?

Year 7.

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meditrina · 17/10/2012 17:14

It's so dependent on the levels of the other children. And was that her leaving primary level, or the level her new school have assessed?

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choccyp1g · 17/10/2012 17:17

Your user name always makes me laugh, you are SO interested. But seriously, Id have thought shed be top of 3rd set, or bottom of second, depending on the cohort.

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Iamnotminterested · 17/10/2012 17:17

The result of a test taken this week. Left primary on 4, think borderline c/b.

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campergirls · 17/10/2012 17:23

My year 7 dd left primary on 4a/b borderline and is at the high end of the 3rd set of 4 (but I think there's an additional group for kids with SEN etc). Large comp with a varied intake in terms of background.

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mrsshears · 17/10/2012 17:24

I won't comment on the second question Grin

As meditrina says it really depends on the other childrens levels, in our school probably 4th set but in the school down the road most likely a higher set.
I have just found out dd1 is taking the foundation maths paper for GCSE so i understand your concern.

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Iamnotminterested · 17/10/2012 17:26

Choccyp1g, yes, the irony is sweet.

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Iamnotminterested · 17/10/2012 17:32

Mrsshears just looked at your thread, a grade c would be better than fine for me!

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Niceweather · 17/10/2012 21:03

I reckon Set 3 out of 4 which is where my son got placed on a Level 4 but at the beginning of Yr 8 he got put up to Set 2. My friend's son stayed in Set 2 throughout the years and was one of 2 in Set 2 that got an A after a predicted E from his CATS tests. Not everyone in Set 1 got an A and he worked very hard.

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noblegiraffe · 17/10/2012 22:06

It really depends on the school and intake. I know at least one child last year in Y7 who got a level 4 at KS2 and ended up in the bottom set, but my school has a high achieving intake. Even at my school usually it would be the set 3.

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TheFallenMadonna · 17/10/2012 22:12

She'd be in the middle of our year 7s. Depends entirely in the school.

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trinity0097 · 18/10/2012 07:42

At my last state school a 4c would have put you in set 3 of 3 (we had two parallel half year groups). In the school I worked at previously it would have been Set 2 of 3.

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WofflingOn · 18/10/2012 07:49

In secondary?
Put it this way, I have a Y6 class and all bar a few of them arrived in class in September with levels of 4c and above in maths. They are looking at being 4a and above when they get to secondary, and around half or more will be a level 5b.

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WofflingOn · 18/10/2012 07:51

Why do you want to know? The whole point of setting is so that the children can get appropriate support to make good progress from wherever they are.

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Moominmammacat · 18/10/2012 08:57

Depends entirely on school. Oldest DS left primary with Level 5, went into set 6 of 9, got a B, higher tier, GCSE. Youngest scraped level 4, also went into set 6 of 9, scraped a C, much rejoicing.

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mnistooaddictive · 18/10/2012 11:44

Depends hugely on the school but I would guess set 3 out of 4.

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Iamnotminterested · 18/10/2012 12:43

WofflingOn Why wouldn't I want to know?

And thanks very much for your first post, that's really cheered me up and set my mind at rest.

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crazymum53 · 18/10/2012 12:50

Would be Set 3 out of 4 at dds school too. But Sets 1 to 3 still do Higher tier Maths at GCSE and many get grade B at this level.
The support set would be for dcs who did not obtain level 4 at KS2.
Hope this cheers you up!

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LilyBolero · 18/10/2012 13:26

Impossible to tell, depends on cohort. 4c is slightly below average (I HATE NC levels, for this reason, because it's horrible 'defining' where a child is, but the 'expected' level for the end of Y6 is 4b), so I would guess set 3 out of 4.

Having said that though, at ds' school, he is 2nd set, and achieved 5a at Y6, only missing L6 by maybe 3 or 4 marks, it's just a v bright year!

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LilyBolero · 18/10/2012 13:26

(That is at state comp btw)

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WofflingOn · 18/10/2012 18:50

I just get tired of parents with less able children comparing their child with the rest of the cohort.
If she struggles with maths, needs a lot of support and is unsure of some of the basics, you should already know that. You should have been having those conversations with her Y6 teacher and finding out what she lacks, and working on how to support her.
She's a 4c, which is below the national average for Y6. Depending on the cohort she is moving up with, unless the majority are below the NA, then she will be in group 3 or 4. Where she will get encouragement, the correct pace, targeted work, support, scaffolding of her learning and assessments to identify and fill in the gaps. If the school she's going to know their job.
What does she find difficult about maths?

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