Whitgift and Trinity 11+ exams and Interviews(1000 Posts)
I am new to this. I am loving this site.
Has anyone's DS taken an 11+ exam at Whitgift or Trinity this year. We have taken both and have an interview at Whitgift.
Any tips for a first timer.
We're in the 10+ cohort and know quite a few applicants. Most boys have taken both, though some have done W only.
W want to know that they are your first choice. They don't want to be anyone's backup. Do be prepared for them to ask ds which other schools he has sat for.
Other than that they seem to play the interviews fairly straight. If he is borderline either for entrance or scholarship there will be academic questions. Worthwhile asking him what he likes doing outside fo school, or what his favorite part of school is to make sure that you're not surprised by the answer. They have to take something to the interview to talk about. The prep schools get them doing projects so they have an extensive project file to talk about, but bringing in their latest reading book or a sporting award that they've got will go down just fine.
Thanks thats really helpful.
I am nervous but DS and DH seem to be quite call about the whole thing.
DS has put together a portfolio about himself including all his achievements both in and out of school. He has been scoring between 80 and 85% on his practice papers at home and school. We hope that he is not borderline as he is a deep thinker and would take a little while answering quick fire academic questions.
Well here goes everything .
Will let you know how we get on.
Good luck mummax! Ds did 11+ last year - I remember the anxiety!!!
I look back six years to when we were at this stage and I realise we were very naive. We had no idea what my son might be asked at interview and made no attempt to prepare him. It was only when the offer letters came through that he mentioned in passing that Alleyn's had asked what other schools he'd applied for and which one he really wanted to go to. 'Dulwich College', he said. Fortunately Alleyn's was not top of our list!
Good luck to this year's sufferers.
ds took in his collection of swimming hats - it's just something to spark off a conversation
there were a couple of academic questions (maths I think but it's all gone hazy), they asked ds why he wanted to go there (he was VERY enthusiastic!), what he liked doing, what his favourite subject was - all fairly standard
the format for us was ds went in first, then he came out and was entertained by one of the older boys while we went in for a chat, then we all went to see another teacher
if they've done very well in the exam they tell you - it then takes an age for the results to come through
the interviews also go on over several weeks and the length of time you have to wait to hear whether or not they've been called for interview bears no relation to how well they've done in the exam
good luck to your ds
Many thanks for all the tips.
We have now had the interview, which in our view went pretty well.
All we can do now is keep our fingers crossed for the next 5 weeks.
The tip is, if you want a scholarship for your son, ask for it. They'll soon tell you if he's not scholarship material, but if he is your request may bear fruit.
Also, if your son has done well and they want him, reveal which other schools he has tried, be non-comittal about your preference, and that too may result in something to your advantage.
Hi, DS has just taken W&T 10+ and has an interview for both.W is next week and heard yesterday about Trinity interview which is not till the end of January. Should I be worried about length of time before I heard and how long off the T interview is as I see thart some people have already had the interview? Do they contact in order of marks, alphabetical order ? DS so desperately wants this.
For T, we heard 2 days after the exam, had to wait 3 weeks to hear from W - not alphabetical as one of his friends whose surname is at the opposite end of the alphabet heard from W on the same day as us and don't think it's to do with marks either as both boys got offers of scholarships
Just joined and DS sat trinity 11+exam this week....has anyone been contacted for interview yet? I suspect he has not passed but part of me still hoping and praying!
I went through all this last year with DS1 and have the horror of it next year for DS2 [weeps]
DS1 took in a balloon powered car he'd made as its what he had to do for some inter school science competition he'd been in.
We heard from Whitgift within a couple of days which was a huge shock as it was so quick. Trinity took a little longer IIRC but not much longer and some of his friends (who also ended up there) heard a good week or so after DS. I don't know what kind of order they do it in.
I suspect that the order of contacting parents or setting interview dates is the date of the receipt of application.
I found the Whitgift interview more intimidating than Trinity, especially when we had to chat to the Whitgift headmaster.
I just hate the waiting! I feel so anxious all the time...it's always lurking there at the edge of my thoughts! I read last years posts and if I wasn't so grump
y and stressed would be laughing as we are all going through the same emotions!
Thanks Soup Dragon...I feel a little reassured by your info!
Camptown races...do you think that might be true? We did apply very late.
Personally, I don't think the application date has anything to do with it. DSs wasn't particularly early for either of them and we heard quickly for both.
IME, if your son is is in line for a scholarship, they will tell you. I believe that the scholarships are actually awarded on the basis of how he performs at the interview. The exams tell them who to consider, the interview identify those wih actual talent rather than tutoring.
I'm not sure the delay in hearing means very much at all.
And if you think this wait is bad, the wait til the letters in Feb is worse
Oh well. Will just have to sit it out and realise there is nothing more we can do now . I really hope for a phone call soon but wishing isn't going to make it happen! DS seems laid back about it...and pretty laid back about the exams too which may be all the answer I need!!
Hi SoupDragon, how is your ds enjoying school? Ds still loves it (despite the Maths homework ).
I agree that the W interview was so much worse. At least at T the parents aren't forced to meet the staff (it was particularly awful meeting the W HM and his sleepy dog........... )
My God...By Feb I will need sedation!
Trinity had over 800 boys sitting entrance exams (more than they've had before apparently) and I think Whitgift had similar.
LOL, yes, Caoimhe, ds still loves it. Although I have threatened to remove him and place him in a crap school if he doesn't put more effort in
At Whitgift, I felt like I had been actually sent to the HM for something bad (although I don't recall a dog... perhaps they save that for the "special" families )
MrB at Trinity, OTOH, was lovely and human.
BTW, DS is CT in 1L
Although I have no idea if there is more than one boy with those initials!
IS your son at Trinity or Whitgift? 800 is huge amount! Was that all years? If so do you know how many sat 11 plus? I understood it would be about 400. It did seem busy when i dropped off but nothing like the mayhem for Sutton G which had about 1600
4schoolmum, the tension was unbearable the day before the letters were due! thankfully, DS was off skiing with his father so it was just me.
He's at Trinity. I think the 800 was for all 3 exam years. They split the number. It was almost 800 now I've read it properly. I was told that Whitgift had over 300 at 11+
We didn't do Sutton G but did do Wilsons which was horrific. I understand that Wallington is worse but his father took him there.
It's mad speculating isn't it but I keep trying to calcuate the odds with each new piece of info I get! In your opinion do the schools select initially purely on the exam results? I understood that the heads report form current school also had a bearing or is this only relevent once they get an interview?
Your DS did so well to get a place . I think it is a really wonderful school and I love the building...not at all stuffy!
I think the exam gives them the boys who are academically able to give the school the results they want. From there, they use the interview to weed out those who do not suit or have been excessively tutored to pass the exam (supposition). I would imagine that information from the current school would be used in conjunction with the interview - eg it may say that X is a little sh8t who bullies other boys, and I doubt they'd give a place to a boy like that
Bizarrely, my heart was with Whitgift - the prefects wear purple capes FFS, what's not to love?! However, my head said that Trinity would be the right school for DS2 and that, whilst DS1 would thrive anywhere, he'd probably have a better time there too.
Obviously I am assuming DS2 will get a place when it is his turn
LOL at "special families" SoupDragon!!
W HM's dog was in a basket just to the left of the leather sofa (upon which I sat looking most uncomfortable whilst Dr B looked severe in his winged chair ).
Gosh yes - Mr B is a big selling point for T - much more approachable than Dr B.
4schoolmum - trust me, they definitely do not just go on the exam result - it is quite possible for a boy with a lower mark to get a place if he is a particularly able sportsman or musician, for example. Last year at 13+ was a prime example as both W and T fought over a particularly good all-round sportsman who actually needs learning support for the academic stuff.
<<SoupDragon - does your ds know anyone in 1A? That's ds's class.>>
I assumed Sutton G for DS2 as that is where DS1 went but 'twas not to be!
He does indeed. He went to school with Daniel and Peter and is on the bus with Henry
(and god, yes! I perched uncomfortably on that sofa I was probably too nervous to look for a dog.)
DS2 is, in theory, brighter than DS1. However, he is also bordering on hyperactive so whether he can sit still long enough to complete the exam remains to be seen.
SoupDragon, Henry is a similar size to ds!
How are you informed about the Trinity interview is it by phone or letter.
We were informed very quickly about the Whitgift by phone (two days later) and had the interview last week.
Either! We had phone calls but DSs friends had letters. I think they phone up the first batches to get the ball rolling quickly and then send letters out to the rest.
This whole thing is turning me into a nervous reck!
Poor DS could not sleep for worrying. We are even more concerned with not hearing as we would like to know if he will be able to sit his music scholarship exam. So frustrating!!!
It's all fun isn't it
I now have a year of hell tutoring DS2 in English for when he sits them next year.
If both of us are still alive and sane by then.
Immediate panic over DH received a phone call from T this afternoon.
Interview next week hooray. [Smile]
Sob ... haven't heard from T yet (exam was tougher than W by all accounts)
I hope you get good news soon, IroningBored!
I have a friend whose ds has now had music audition and interviews at W, but still not heard from T. Unfortunately is standard. Is making her think twice about her preferred school though.
I remember T being slower than W last year as well, LadyMuck.
The schools are chalk and cheese so I'd be surprised at someone's decision being swayed by how quickly their ds was interviewed!!
My son had his interview yesterday. Really worried because he wasn't asked to take anything in with him and we only saw the head of the lower school. Having said that, we all (son, hub and I) seemed to think our respective interviews went well. This is SO nerve-racking !
Which school? And is he doing 10+ or 11+?
The "take something in" bit is only as an ice breaker and to give them an easy thing to start a conversation about so I wouldn't worry about that
I also think most people are only interviewed by one person.
BTW, I've also been wondering about the ratio of boys that are interviewed to the amount who are actually offered places.
I'm usually a chilled out person, but find this 'limbo'state quite unbearable.
I know that I've got to relax for the sake of my boy.
I don't know about the ratio of interviewed/offered but some are definitely rejected after interview (sorry!) I can't believe that they would be a huge amount though.
Hello....We got the call..interview next week......Nervous wreck!!
4schoolmum, when did you get the call. We have not heard anything at all yet. DS2 sat 12+, he sat 11+ last year and was recommended for a place so we were told at interview, but was waitlisted and they had so many acceptances they never went to the waiting list, so am biting my finger nails before the postman arrives every morning - still nothing today.
Don't know if this helps, we got the call last Monday(17th) and received a confirmation letter this morning.
We went for a Music Audition this morning and was told by another parents that they have tried to see so many children that they could be a bit behind with contacting parents.
Good luck!!!! Hope you hear something soon
Hi, does anyone know about what is happened on the interview on Alleyn s ?My boy will go on 5.02 and we don`t have any clue...Please give me any information if you have. Thank you
It is 3 weeks today that my boy had the 10+ entrance exam at W!! Still no phone call or letter with regards to him being called for interview or rejection! Anyone else out there in the same position? Do I need to call the school or leave it until next week? Starting to get a little worried!
we waited more than 3 weeks for ds and he got a scholarship so a long wait doesn't mean anything afaik
Thanks for that. DS1 got a music scholarship at 13+ last year and is so happy there. So many opportunities, will be playing with the RPO shortly. Yesterday spent the hour before the bus (when he should have been doing his homework!) jamming nirvana with one of the teachers, came home on cloud nine. They are a wonderfully warm department. Will still keep on hoping for a call for DS2. Good luck with your DS scholarship and interview.
yehyeh, we are still waiting to hear anything at all for 12+
cooney...we heard last tues (17th) I think.Sorry did not reply earlier.DS had the interview but it was ALL maths questions! My guess is DS must be borderline Maths so I suspect these are the kids that may be rejected depending on their performance. Sad
cooney,we still have not heard a thing from W! How about you? Does anyone out there know if the rejection letters come out the same day as acceptance letters or before? Its not looking too good for our boy, he has one or two friends that sat 10+ and they have already been for sports tests.
I know of at least one boy for 10+ at W who has had his "exam results not good enough" letter, so I would ring up to see what is happening. All of the T 10+ rejection without interview letters have gone out.
yehyeh, no nothing at all yet. If boys have already had rejection letters, maybe this is a good sign (for us not the poor families who have received them obviously).
4schoolmum, my DS1 had maths questions in his interview last year and also a lot of questions on his coping mechanisms for his dyspraxia, he still got offered a place. He came out in tears after his Dulwich english exam and felt he had done very badly in it, however he completely redeemed himself in his interview and got offered a place there also. I know of other boys who were asked maths questions at Whitgift and were offered places, so don't be disheartened.
hi all, we called W and our boy did not make it in (10+).stiff competition by all accounts.185 sat 10+ and only 100 got interviews then only 60 places.good luck to all of the boys that got interviews.
Sorry it wasn't the news you wanted, yehyeh.
What a pity. I expect we will be the same. Wonder why they didn't send out all the rejections together. 11+ is their big intake so good luck for next year.
Cooney do you how many places available at 11+ and how many they reject after interview
My ds sat the 10+ for both W and T and has had an interview at both. I am very new to all this and would be grateful if anyone with previous experience could shed some light on how these schools make their final selection. It's been a stressful few weeks (or dare I say months!)and all this waiting is just unbearable. During our interview at W, we were told that my ds had done extremely well in all three papers while the T headmaster was more vague, saying things like how we should be proud of our ds.The concern I have is that my ds is not particularly sporty (sports is big at W) or musical (again music is big at T). Would he be offered a place purely on his academic abilities or do they expect more from these children, i.e. do they also have to be sporty for W or musical for T?
DS is neither sporty nor musical and he was offered places at both last year so don't worry on that account His place(s) were offered purely on academic ability.
IIRC, they use the interview process in part to weed out the boys who have been heavily tutored to pass the exams but may not actually be very academic IYSWIM. I guess they also want boys who will fit into their school.
(DS1 sat the 11+ but I doubt it is that different from a practical POV)
I'm new here, so first of all HI!!!
My DS took 11+ at both W and T and has been rejected by both. (although not in writing by W, we found out on the phone!)
W was our first choice and DS is really upset about it. He's very sporty and we have a family connection to the school so we thought these things might go in his favour, but obviously not!
I was just wondering if anyone has any idea if there is any point reapplying there at 12+, or if the fact that he didn't even get an interview at 11+ will have put them off? Any advice would be fantastic!
Thanks SoupDragon, that's really helpful. I feel like I'm the only one who's fretting! DS and DH are both quite cool about the whole thing although DS is getting increasingly excited about the prospect of starting at either W or T. He is not being stretched or challenged at his current school and I'm worried about year 6 being a complete waste of a year if he doesn't get offered a place. Do you know how many offers T and W send out? Someone told me that her nephew who sat the 11+ has already been offered places at Caterham, Whitgift, Trinity and Sevenoaks! Is that possible? I thought all the letters are sent out on the same day, i.e. 17th February. Is she bluffing?
Bilton, Sorry it was bad news. The differences in the way that the 2 schools communicate also doesn't help the process. Neither school will object to another application at 12+ or 13+, though of course you need to think about getting another head's report. Certainly the local 13+ prep schools (Cumnor House, Bickley Park, Homefield) all take in boys at year 7 and prep them for 13+, usually with good results. It has been known for boys rejected at 11 to get scholarships at 13.
Thanks so much for the words of encouragement! That certainly makes me feel a bit better! I was actually considering moving him to Cumnor.
It's interesting that you mentioned the head's report as I was wondering how much influence this has on the decision making process at Whitgift. We know his report from his current school wasn't good, so is it possible this made a difference, as that would explain alot??
Stressederica, I am fairly certain that neither Whitgift nor Trinity offer places before the February date, although it was clear from our interviews that DS1 would be offered places at both.
Bilton, did he get an interview at either?
i am slightly worried about the possibility of having no offers despite interviews for W&T. I have a feeling that the 13+route is even more competitive with a greater number of exams to prepare for. is this the case/
We were told by our DS's Head teacher and at our W and T interview that the school report carries a fair bit of weight.
We also know of a child who was turned down at 10+. He was invited for an interview after the 11+ exam on the proviso that his school report was good and showed that he had made all round improvement. At the interview he had to talk about any improvements he had made and what he would do to continue improving.
Therefore it is worth applying again.
After all things can change.
SoupDragon,how was it made clear to you? Did they specifically say so or did you infer it from their comments? Where is your DS now and how is he getting on? Thanks again for all your help.
It's nice to see some new posts. I've been reading last year's posts over and over again for the last couple of weeks! Glad I joined.
The didn't say "we are going to offer DS a place" but it was fairly clear it was simply a matter of what scholarship they would be offering. It was last year and I was a bit freaked out by the whole process TBH
IIRC, they made a big thing of how well he had performed in each part of the exam, in one case showing me his marks when they "weren't meant to". They made it clear that he was being considered for a scholarship and, in the case of Trinity, I was under the impression that the interview was a formality to check he hadn't been hothoused. Other than that, I think it was the language they used eg "he will do very well here". As I said, it's all kind of hazy and I was kind of being swept along by it all.
Oh, he's at Trinity and loving it. Although he needs a rocket up his rear end at homework time - that's the shock of going from state primary
Well, got our rejection letter today. Beack to the drawing board for next year.
OH NO...sorry to hear that (sad) I hope your DS not too upset....I think it is us parents who are most devastated. I am still hoping DS gets a place . I think he will have had good reference from current school so hopefully that helps and he says he did well answering the maths questions but he is always overconfident....I am now fretting because when he came out the teacher who had questioned him (It really can't be classed as an interview!) looked at me shiftily!!!( LOL....now I sound completely mad !!)..as if he couldn't meet my eye as DS had failed!!
Oh Soup Dragon.....wish I was in your position with son already in!
any response to my prevoius queries. i am trying to prepare for all eventualities if there are no offers come february.
If I recall correctly Whitgift and Trinity still do their 13+ on the basis of maths and English papers prepared by the school - can't remember whether there is still VR at 13+. If the boys pass this then they do sit common entrance but only for setting purposes. Wallington Boys also has a 13+ sitting, as does Caterham.
How competitive really depends on how many other boys sit and how many spaces are available, which tends to move each year. As T has become more popular the school is now making fewer offers/place as it is probably only in the last few years that they are the preferred school over W for the majority. But all schools over-offer as they know that the strong candidates will invariably get a number of offers.
It certainly isn't easier to get in at 13, but I'm not sure that it is vastly more difficult, and obviously it gives some boys the time to mature and prove themselves.
4schoolmum - don't envy me too much, DS2 sits them next January
Last year, Trinity over offered, or rather had a much higher take up of offers than they anticipated at 11+. They added an extra class. I wonder if this is why the exam this year is rumoured to have been noticeably more difficult than Whitgift.
Certainly we know more boys who were interviewed by W only, but didn't get asked for interview at T. Mr Bishop has been very clear all year that he doesn't intend to have an extra class in future years.
But then I think for both schools it has been the highest number of boys ever sitting the exams.
Thanks Ladymuck. May explore the prep school route as a back up. Ds not particularly strong academically a good average actually but loves the sports side of school life. fingers crossed that all goes according to plan.
Did he get offered a sports assessment? Has he done the various sports courses they do for potential new boys?
Unfortunately I think that both schools are primarily after bright boys, and only then look at sport/music, though of course there have been exceptions over the years (and in some years lots of exceptions!).
No didn't even go there as I thought that they have to be potentially at county level. he simply enjoys sport, plays for the school team in rugby, cricket and football but he is not exceptional. He said both his interviews for W & T went well although he did say that he found the T papers quite hard. so if they weed out after interviews I'm hoping that I do not have the.... it's with regret we are unable to offer.....
Oh god... I so do not want to have to do this again next year! It's all coming flooding back...
SoupDragon, glad your DS is doing well at Trinity. I'm expecting a real shock to the system for my DS too if he gets offered a place.His current state primary seems to be a walk in the park and that's year 5! There was a lot of talk about that year being very important, challenging, a step up etc but it's been anything but and DS is so ready to move on.
What made you go for Trinity over Whitgift? I don't envy you having to go through all this again next year.
Hi all, DS found the 10+ at T a lot harder than the one at W. Mr B told us that he wants to avoid an extra class this year because of the big uptake last year. DS's interview at T was also tougher. He had to answer some mental maths questions as well as read a text and answer questions about it.The feeling I have is T is definitely weeding out those they want from the interviews and I also hope I don't get the 'It's with regret..'
They offered him the biggest scholarship
1) he is a keen sportsman rather than a gifted one so would get more chances to play (allegedly) at Trinity.
2) It is just so friendly. I felt relaxed there compared to Whitgift (which I loved) where I felt like I shouldn't be there.
3) Trinity will suit DS2 far bettter than Whitgift. I felt that Whitgift would try to shove his square peg into their round hole whereas Trinity would gently mould him and find middle ground. He is, shall we say, a Live Wire.
Hello, sorry to hijack the thread. My children are years off from applying for independent schools in the area but their state primary schoool is unlikely to helpful in preparing them for entrance exam and interview. How do you know how to prepare your child for the process?
my ds is a 'live wire' (slight understatement there )and W has been perfect for him - the staff have only ever approached him as an individual - they know just what makes him tick and he is extremely happy and doing very well
T comes across as more gentle and touchy-feely, but to be honest, I think it's a very superficial difference
the other contrast between the two schools is that W actively welcomes boys who may have had difficulties fitting in at primary school (as long as they're bright and have something to offer the school) - it has quite a number of boys with statements for various reasons, whereas T won't accept boys with a statement
"whereas T won't accept boys with a statement"
That is not the impression we got when we asked specifically about SEN.
At the end of the day you choose the school which is right for your child (provided they'll have then ). The memory of the interview with the W headmaster still makes me squirm and feel uncomfortable and is complete contrast to the one I had at T.
OTOH, W has purple capes... [swoon]
icertainly had the impression that both schhols were highly tuned into the individual .In W the range of upper school qulaifications eg IB, Alevels, BTEC's made me feel that it wasn't a suasge machine with just one route for academic sucess. T hasn't I dont think has the same range but talks convincingly about how they nuture the children towards ultimately A levels. personally i don't mind which school as LONG AS I GET AN OFFER!!!
Given that T added an extra calss last year, does this mean that they won't have places at 13+ next year. Usually they only take 15 - 20 at 13+. W took 15 last year and also overoffered at 11+, as did St Georges College, St Geroges told us that instead of the usual 40 or os places they would be only able to offer 20 or so for the 13+ 2012.
Agree I definitely didn't think Trinity would turn down a child on basis of SEN - indeed on our tour we came across a boy who clearly had similar traits to ds, but had found a niche and passion there. Private schools don't benefit with statements in the same way so often SEN doesn't really show in stats.
We were told on our tour that the bulge class would continue throughout and no less would be admitted at 13+ into that year group as a result. However they would try to keep the overall number in school the same even with admitting girls to 6th form (so not sure how they can really achieve both without reducing intake somewhere !).
The child I'm thinking of wasn't turned down - was offered a place in fact but was told they would have to give up their statement. Whitgift on the other hand welcomed him with his statement. Statements in private schools work exactly the same way - the schools get a certain amount of money attached to the child and in return are bound to provide what's in the statement.
Don't get me wrong, I think Trinity is an excellent school, but I don't think the differences between the schools are that pronounced - it's definitely not much more touchy-feely!
That's interesting basildonbond as most people I know got very different vibes from W and T.
Personally I was completely put off by W's HT whom I found cold and unapproachable whereas Mr B at T certainly gives the impression of being more open and friendly.
Ds is at T now and I do find it quite "touchy-feely". I have friends with boys at W and their experience does appear to be different to mine at T.
Of course both schools are fantastic but I do think they suit different kinds of children.
I note the "allegedly" in your statement re sport Soupy - does that indicate that the reality doesn't quite live up to the billing? I have a similar ds1, who is keen on certain sports but doesn't play at the high levels of some of his peers, and whilst he doesn't mind being in the D team say, clearly they don't get as many matches.
I am hoping it is just early days wrt the sports thing but DS1 plays rugby every Sunday for a local team yet is in the very bottom group at T, playing with the "colours" not even the D team. I am not delusional about how talented he is but he is certainly capable of D team or even, on a good day, C (might be delusional there though!).
I am still convinced that his chances are better at T than W in that respect though.
I agree with Caoimhe that the vibes given off by the two schools are completely different and with her judgement on the headmasters. I was firmly in the W camp until we did interviews for both when my thoughts changed entirely and I knew which school was right for DSs and for me.
I've had a look at the W website and can't find an equivalent of the T headmaster's weekly newsletter. It is always praising boys for all sorts of achievements, is often funny and is rarely limited to academic and sporting achievements alone. It is that kind of thing that gives off the Touchy Feely vibes I think.
Having said that, if W had offered DS1 the best scholarship, he wold most likely have gone there. I'm not anti W by any stretch of the imagination.
Not sure about the weekly letter, but the termly update from W is so top sports oriented, it is quite offputting. Almost comes across as "off course we don't expect every boy to make the England U17s, but you should at least be on the national team for showjumping or shooting or something" Even academic achievements don't seem to get a look-in.
Sympathy on the sports side. We had a similar issue at ds1's prep school. In the end we've moved him to C, and suddenly I am spending 5 days a week washing rugby kit.
Um... Is that moving him from CH to C or from somewhere else to CH? Because I've heard similar about CH wrt teams.
The T newsletters are all on their website. The one from the snow week is one of my personal favourites.
My is missing from after the word "teams"
CH to C. Had a particular objection to the way that 56 out of 60 boys in a year would be in a rugby tournament, and the other 4 had to stay behind.
I found the sports fixation at W quite annoying (as the mother of a sportingly-challenged boy!! ) plus the fact that Dr B seems to find his way into every photo of any publication.
Of course W is fantastic for a lot of boys and the range of languages and the choice of academic paths at sixth form are amazing. So I'm also not anti-W at all!
How are you finding C, LadyMuck? Are you not considering keeping your ds there for senior school (as you've mentioned doing 10+ for W and T)? I loved C's senior school but it seemed mad to send ds there when he can walk to T.
DS1 could have walked to T had we not moved when he was 3
Our plans increased in urgency when ds1's formteacher kept breaking down in tears because the boys wouldn't do as they were told. Decided ds1 wasn't ready for 10+ in terms of maturity as we think he is better suited to T but year 6 are just in the whole mix. Opportunity came up to try for C, and we have guaranteed place at senior school. Want another year of GCSE/Alevel results before deciding on senior schools, but so far C exceeds our expectations. He'll still sit the scholarship exam for C, and many sit W&T as well just to see what they get.
The exam results at C are excellent and the school is in such a fab, peaceful location! It's great to have a guaranteed senior school place.
Do you think C H is going downhill a little? A friend is considering it at the mo. Sounds like your ds's teacher was a bit hopeless!!
I'm wondering which C ?! If the one I'm thinking of there isn't a scholarship exam as such for external candidates - academic ones are awarded by performance in the 11/13+. Perhaps different internally. fwiw we've had same issue with both boys' and girls' teams at dc prep.
CH certainly isn't the same school that it was 5 years ago. My heart sank when I realised that the 3 year 5 teachers had a total of 2 years teaching experience between them. The preprep is still excellent, but the prep leaves a lot to be desired. 60 boys a year is too many for the facilities available, and there is little attempt to look at the boys as individuals.
Yes LIZS I expect it is the same C but the arrangements are different for the prep school where entrance seems to be determined at the end of Yr4. They're still prepared for the 11+ exam but it is only relevant for scholarships.
Thanks for that, LadyMuck - I think I will suggest she looks elsewhere.
When I visited C I was shown around by a Y7 girl whose brother was at W and (in her 11-year-old opinion ) the schools were similar academically but W had the edge for sports. The Latin teacher I spoke to at C was also quite a character (in a good way)!!
Haven't CH bought the old Woodcote site though? I was under the impression they planned to move the prep part of the school there, thus increasing the facilities.
Hello all, quick hijack - is there anywhere I can download past papers for the W & T 11+? I've looked on both sites and can't see anything (this may just be me being dense, though )
Am assuming the format is English comp/essay, Maths and VR?
Good luck to everyone who's waiting for results, btw!
Both schools give out specimen papers as part of their prospectus pack, but you can't actually download them iirc. The English papers are close to the ISEB ones imo.
SoupDragon, thanks for being so helpful. God...Really can't wait for this whole thing to be over... Like morethanlikely, I've got to a point where ANY OFFER WILL DO!
No, seriously, both schools are fantastic. As we did not have the pleasure(!) of being interviewed by the headmaster at W, and saw the chaplain instead who was as warm and friendly as Mr B at Trinity, both schools are more or less on a par with us.
The sports thing at W is a bit of a concern for me as DS is more the keen, enthusiastic, will have a go at anything type.Bless him!
Nobody mentions the various clubs which seem to be so avidly promoted by both W&T. Are the kids actually encouraged to get involved? DS got very excited when he saw the list of clubs on offer, especially at W.
Why does it take so long for the schools to post their offers? Are they still interviewing? Deliberating? Eliminating? Surely they know by now who they want or don't want, don't they?
Stressederica, my DS1 was one of 3 boys who was NEVER picked for any team at this prep. Has taken up rowing at W and loves it. 4 sessions a week, two on water and two in the gym his fitness levels have increased dramatically (thats all I care about). He has been chosen for team for several races. He is happy and I am happy. As they say there is a sport for everyone. (though I'm not sure about my DS3)
stressederica, so you saw Canon B? A bit of a character, no?
That looong wait for the letters is horrible - fingers crossed for you and others waiting.
BTW, last year a big envelope (A4) was good news and a small envelope was bad news.
Thanks for this Cooney
This is exactly what I'm hoping for for my DS. I'd really like him to find a sport that he enjoys and happy to put the effort in. It's funny but during the W interview he was asked which sports he'd like to try in the future and his answer was rowing! Like you said, there must be a sport out there for him. His swimming is quite good, so that might be something for him. Otherwise there's always Mah Jong I suppose!
Yes Caoimhe, definitely a character! Very weirdly, during the interview, I couldn't get the image of Paul O'Grady out of mind! It made it very hard to concentrate on what he was actually saying!
Bless him, he did come across as very warm and friendly. He did not actually ask us any questions as such. He was very positive about our DS and said that he'd done very well in the exams. I can't help wondering whether it's the same chat that he gives to everybody. What's your take on this?
Really dreading the small envelope now!
I was feeling quite calm- in whatever will be will be mode- that was before i saw the comment about small envelopes!!
God, sorry I mentioned the envelopes now!!!!
BTW waiting list places and rejections are both in small envelopes so a little envelope doesn't mean all is lost!!!
PMSL at the Paul O'Grady comparison - I know exactly what you mean. He is quite a smiley, warm bloke, though. I'm not sure he says much to anybody!!!!
apparently Canon B is a fantastic teacher - he never shouts but always has control of the class, which when you're talking about a group of pre-teen boys doing a subject which compels them to argue is no mean feat
I'm not convinced Ws offer came in a big envelope last year. I can't remember.
Club wise, at T they have a Fair kind of thing in the second week or so where they can find. About clubs and sign up for some. DS forgot to go but is now doing swimming after school and paper geometry at one lunchtime. He has also trailed along to pottery when he had lost his swimming trunks so it seems you can just turn up for these things!
Personally, Im gutted he didn't go to Build A Dalek club
The W offer came in a small envelope, T in a big one so I'm not sure you an tell that way
(yes, i am sad enough to have kept both )
DS1 and DS2 letters from W came in the same size (small envelope) although DS1 was bulky with forms to fill in, DS2's sadly was thin with just one letter (to be put on the waiting list).
LOL - I can't believe we're analysing the envelopes Just rip the damn things open
(But yes, I think it's the thickness that counts. [snurk])
Another thin envelope today. Although this time a waiting list for St Georges College. Finger nails are ever diminishing.
Sorry to hear that. What are your other options?
Hi Everyone....nail biting day today with the results being posted...has anyone been brave enough to phone the school and ask??? I just had a friend round for coffee and she had no qualms about phoning the school her daughter had applied to ahead of time...she thinks I should just phone but I'm terrified it will be a no....
OK..the envelope thing has also freaked me out!!
Ha ha we are mad aren't we......the decision has been made now anyway so we are really seeking comfort/cushioning ourselves in case of rejection i suppose.
Also wishing I had also applied to Whitgift having read the discussions about the entrance exams. We didn't even look at it.
Brave friend ringing the school to find out, 4schoolmum.I'd be worried about completely embarrassing myself and bursting into tears if rejected. mind you the state I'm in i'd probably do the same if accepted. Ds totally oblivious to any importance attached to tomorrow.
This is SO nervewracking...
Great news! DS got offers at both W and T with scholarships! Cannot believe it! I wish everyone still waiting the best of luck. I won't mention the envelope.
God... is it today? It was half term last time
Congrats to your DS, stressederica... are you a little less stressed now? Which to choose though...
Woo Hoo! My boy's got into W. No scholasrhsip but we're just so thrilled!
Well done to your ds's. Which is your son going to go for stressederica or maybe it is "notsostressederica" now!
Well done Sammysilver.
Cooney, SoupDragon, thanks very much. Definitely not so stressed now!
Now, which one? Similar level of scholarships, both T and W offering the same facilities, both easy to get to, T possibly easier especially initially when DS still so young, so don't know what to do yet. We need to mull it over for a few days.
Any advice on pros and cons of both schools most welcome from all of you, especially from anybody with experience of T or W.
What a great day! So proud of DS!
Brilliant news! Our DS got T and W. He really worked hard and so deserves it. Very proud of him.
well done to those who did it! The boys must have worked really hard!
We're going to try again next year. Anyone else in this boat?
well done indeed.
DS2 sits the 11+ ones next year so I am going through it again having had a year off.
Pros and cons of WvT... Hmmm... I loved Whitgift. It grabbed my heart and my soul and I simply adored it. Watching their promotional DVD in the headmaster's speech brought tears to my eyes as I imagined my boys there. However, I chose Trinity.
Why? I left Triinity feeling that the headmaster actually cares for the boys at his school. Whilst I am sure he doesn't, you get the feeling that he knows each and every one of them.
I left my interview with the head of W feeling like I'd been sent there for bad behaviour whereas the T head walked me back to the meeting room to wait for DS1 to finish his interviews and we chatted, friendly inconsequential smalltalk. I felt entirely at ease and at that point my decision was made.
On a more practical level, I chose T because they said they would encourage boys who were keen at sport but not gifted at it which describes DS1 perfectly (he would have done well at either school TBH but seemed to have more chance of fun at T IYSWIM) Now, this inclusive sport thing has yet to fully materialise but it is probably far more difficult due to him being in the "bulge" year. There are simply too many boys to play in teams.
I also left with the feeling that T was the right school for DS2, and Ideally I wanted them at the same one for convenience. I felt that W would hammer his square peg into their round hole whereas T would gently sand off his sharp edges and find his niche. Whilst very bright, he has emotional issues which I felt would be better supported by T.
Facilities wise, both are superb as you would expect. W is everything you imagine a private school to be with its eons of history soaked into the wood panelling. Having moved from a similar site where the Whitgoft Center now is in the 60s/70s, Trinity is undoubtedly an uglyish building. However, it is light and airy and modern inside and seems to have space for the boys to breathe.
I think that W seduces you with it's grounds and history and exploding watermelons at the open day. Ts seduction is less blatant This suits me well. We are not a private school family (IYSWIM) and I think I would have felt completely out of place at W. I am confident that DS won't emerge at the end of his time at T feeling superior because of his education (and I have already made it quite clear that I will not tolerate this from him! )
I like that T has introduced girls into the 6th form from this Sept. To me this shows that they are forward thinking and open to change.
There is nothing concrete to choose between the two schools IMO. It is all down to gut feeling and what is the right environment for your son.
Thank you so much SoupDragon. You've been very helpful.
In terms of facilities, achievement and performance, both schools are equally attractive. We have not met the headmaster at W, so cannot personally compare him to Mr B at Trinity. I was expecting a very formal interview at W, possibly in a wood-pannelled room and to my surprise,our interview took place in a room above the gym and the chaplain couldn't have been warmer or friendlier. That's why this decision is going to be such a difficult one. We are not a private school family either and we're very new to all this. Hearing from other people who've been through this before and who actually have children at these schools is definitely very helpful. But I suppose you're right, it will probably come down to gut feeling and finding the school that we think is right for our son.
I don't think you can go wrong with either if you have no strong feeling either way.
Our W interview was also above the gym I think - kind of like a conference centre! Then we had to go to the old part of the school where we waited in a room straight out of some period drama, being served drinks, before going into the heads office which was panelled, lined with books and had a very hard leather sofa to sit on. I'm told that others saw a dog napping over by the antique desk but I can't confirm that Rather surreal anyway.
Actually, the headmaster's weekly newsletter on the Trinity website makes good reading. I couldnt' find an equivalent from Whitgift to compare it to unfortunately but I think they convey the feeling of the school quite well. I think my favourite was the one from the Week of Snow.
How come we weren't invited to the period room?
Just a table outside with a few glasses and some orange juice! No leather sofas for us, not even hard ones!
Thanks for the tip about the newsletter. I'll have a look at that.
It's because you didn't turn up in period costume. Those hard chairs in the conference room were a nightmare with my bustle. Not that I needed one <<eyes fat arse warily>>
LOL - I definitely saw that dog in the W headmaster's office - some sort of spaniel-type thing (can you tell I know nothing about dogs!!)
I had been warned about it by other parents, though, so I was on the look-out for it!
BTW, huge congratulations to everyone who had good news. Nothing to add to SoupDragon's superb synopsis above except to say that I'm sure W doesn't have a Dalek building club!
I so want to be in Dalek Building Club!
Now, that is tempting! A Dalek Building Club!
What about those W purple cloaks though! Decisions! Decisions!
Ds is in Dalek building club. They are making it out of wood, which is quite tricky!!!! There was almost a disaster a few weeks ago after some ill- advised cutting but all was saved by a teacher!!
Just joining this thread - DS has offers from W&T with scholarship/bursary. Not sporty.
We had interview with Dr Cannon at W, who was great - very enthusiastic Head of English. Had great feeling about W and all boys met there. T similarly good in different more "progressive" (?) way.
W easier for us to get too, but also waiting to hear about Wilsons Grammar School which is free.
What to do? Anyone with experience of Wilsons please?
A friend's DS is at Wilsons, he is happy there.
Decision made! W it is, despite T being closer and my first choice up until the interviews.
Why? We were pleasantly surprised by our interview with Canon B at W. He was very welcoming and really made us feel at ease. He was also very forthcoming about the performance of DS in the exams and the support that he would benefit from at W whereas we came away from the interview at T, feeling somewhat disappointed in that we weren't really told what they could do for DS, how keen they were on him joining the school etc. Instead, the emphasis was put on how oversubscribed the school was and how they really did not want to have 3 classes.
There's really not much between the two schools in terms of academic performance, extra-curricular activities, sporting achievements etc. DS has generous scholarships from both.
I think that it came down to a question of gut feeling, just like SoupDragon said. We just feel that W is the school for DS and only hope now that we've made the right choice.
Thank you very much for all your help.
New to thread - find it very interesting!
Anyone know if many boys go to W from Beckenham area?? Need to make decision and am worried about this aspect.
Hi albird, welcome
We're in Beckenham and have also been agonising over this aspect. Talked to the school yesterday about the school bus and looks like the closest pick up point to us is Langley Park Schools or Chinese garage. This still means that DS will need to be dropped off and picked up from there.DS is only 10 and I don't really want him trvaelling on public transport by himself to W.
Whereabouts in Beckenham are you? We're opposite the Beckenham Beacon. Is your DS starting in year 6 or 7?
Sorry! I meant 'travelling' and not 'trvaelling'!.
stressed I'm sure your ds will be v happy at W - ds loves it there
he started in y6 and has been happily making the journey on public transport ever since the first week - it's one of the highlights of his day as it's very sociable - he has 'train friends' some of whom overlap with his 'school friends' but some are in different years
stressed - we are near the school bus stops but would probably take him by car at first (though I am sure he will want to take bus as soon as he can!) - more worried about having friends close by. He would be going into Y7.
Congratulations on making your decision stressederica, and welcome to W, it is wonderful school. It has certainly exceeded our expectations in terms of quality of service. My son is quite content in himself and has even been know to hum while doing his homework something we had never experienced before! Your DS will be tired for the first part of half term, but once you are through that life gets much easier. The existing boys in the school were able to assure my DS that this would be so, otherwise we would probably have been worried that he might spend the next 5 years of his life permanently exhausted.
DS1 gets the school bus to T - he also has a Bus Gang with 3 other boys in his year, none of whom are in his class, so it has been good for extending his friendship circle. He loves getting the bus and, being a Mean Mother, I made him get it from Day 1.
I don't think local friends is such an issue at secondary. (One of DSs classmates is from Beckenham, although this is T, not W.)
Personally I think it would be unlikely for you to make a choice of either W or T and wish you'd chosen the other.
Thanks SoupDragon. I am sure you are right about the friends - he's not bothered by it at all so I think its just something for me to get used to - our problem isn't W or T (we've narrowed it down that far!) but W and another school- but that would start a whole new thread!
Thank you generalhaig and cooney for feedback on W. You are all so helpful! Glad to hear that both your DSs are doing well at W.
generalhaig, did your ds travel on his own on public transport from the start? Where did he travel from? I'm hoping that we will eventually end up with the same scenario, i.e. where he finds friends to travel with. This is the only aspect that is still troubling me. I still walk DS to school.
Cooney, thanks for the tip about the exhaustion. We have been warned. DS probably wouldn't know what's hit him. He is enjoying such a cruise at his current school that he'll probably get the shock of his life.
Has any of the DSs ever used the school bus service? It just seems to leave the school so late. Do the boys have lots of extra-curricular activities after school? When do they do their homework? Is there a lot of it?
Sorry about all the questions. I'm a first timer!
stressederica - yes, ds went by public transport from the start - we did a phased withdrawal for the first week - day 1 dh went with him all the way to the school gates and I picked him up, day 2 dh went on the train but left him at South Croydon, and I met him at South Croydon on the way home, day 3 we took him to the station here (one of the Streatham ones) etc so by the end of the week he was happily skipping off by himself. He had a cheap PAYG mobile so if there was a problem with the trains he could let us know. It was all remarkably easy and they do grow up enormously very quickly.
It helped that we have a simple journey with no changes and that there are loads of boys on that train plus a couple of teachers - the W boys tend to stick to the same carriage and by the time they get to South Croydon there's about 35 of them all trooping down the hill. The older ones are very good at looking out for the littlies if needed.
Homework - there's not too much (although ds would probably disagree) = certainly less than friends with dc at the grammars - if they get the school bus they either do an after school club or go to the junior library and get most of their homework done there
first half term is absolutely shattering - they really need that 2 week half term break - and they come back from it rejuvenated and ready to go
a lot of them are in the same situation - many have been big fish in very small ponds, cruising along at the top of the class with minimal effort and finding themselves in a group of similar boys can come as a bit of a shock ...
Great generalhaig! We'll give the 'phased withdrawal' technique a go. DS's journey on public transport would involve tram or train plus bus from East Croydon. Once he's through the first term, I'm hopeful that things will get easier and that he'll settle in nicely and get used to the new routine. I so agree with 'big fish in very small ponds'. DS has got to a point where he really needs to be challenged and pushed and being with boys of similar abilities will definitely stimulate and encourage him to use his full potential. So much to look forward to! Like any other mum, I just want him to be happy.
DS takes the school bus (he hasn't enough hands to carry kit bag, school bag and various instruments - including doublebass). Twice he has missed the bus and had to take public transport (doublebass stayed at home!), first time was rather nerve racking for him until he got to the station and there were a number of other W boys at the station and he followed them. At East Croydon he met 5 boys from his own class and came to school with them. The bus does leave late however DS has something on nearly everyday until the bus leaves. On the rare occasion that something is cancelled I'm afraid that it is not homework he chooses to do but 'chat' with his friends, but is OK too as there has to be time for friends also. Now, though I don't need to call him in the morning he is up showered and packed by 6.30. I'm no longer like a fishwife in the mornings trying to get him out of bed and in the car at 8.00am. It's a calmer world all round.
You're not longer like a fishwife?? How the hell did you manage that?
Ok still like a fishwife at bedtime!
Thanks for all your reassurances. Somehow, I can't imagine DS being up, showered and packed by 6.30! Who knows? I may be in for a surprise. We'll use the school bus service for the first year and see how we get on. DS is very excited about starting at W and really can't wait!
We accepted the place at Whitgift this morning - I feel a lot better now! I will take DS for first term and see how it goes, then think about the bus - may see you at the bus stop!! I can always offer lifts in emergencies!
Good luck to your DS in year 6.
Great! Congratulations! See you at the bus stop. We'll start DS off on the school bus and see how he gets on. Thanks for the offer of lifts in emergencies. Same here!
Good luck to your DS too. Isn't it so exciting for them?
I have to figure out how to keep DS interested and focused at school for the next couple of months! He thinks he's entitled to a very long extended holiday!
Postscript.......We got the right envelope!!!
Congratulations to your DS!
Got the right envelope too. DS starts W Sept.
My DS will be trying for the 10+ at both T and W in Feb 2012. can anyone advise if we have any hope of getting a bursary, our income is low but we have a lot of equity in our property, is it worth trying at all? He is also going to try for a sports scholarship. Also, if we do apply for a bursary place and he passes the exam and excels at the sporting appraisals but we are not awarded a bursary does that exclude him from being offered a "normal" place with maybe a scholarship?
At the risk of being a pedant, the 10+ exam is in January, not February. I believe that your question should be answered here, but basically the scholarships are awarded by the school and the bursaries are awarded by the Foundation. So it is perfectly possible, and reasonably common, to have both a scholarship and bursary. The school decides how much they want him (either as a normal entrance or with a scholarship) and then the Foundation determine what if any bursary he could be awarded. At the girls school there is a "no bursary before 11+" rule, so it may be worth asking whether you have a better chance at either 10+ or 11+.
Hi all. Does anyone know if the verbal reasoning at T is multiple choice or not? I forgot to ask at the open day yesterday. Thanks!
Do any of you know a good tutor for private school entrance tests in Croydon area?
Private message be great with any contact details.
Has anyone sat for W last week?? My son sat and said he feels it went quite well. He is sitting T next week, we are just hoping for one of them.
My son is 'very enthusiastic' for W but goes to state school and therefore doesn't get the additional support the private schools give.
Would like to hear from others.
Hi the vr at W wasn't...would assume similar at T
DS2 sat W and also feels he did well. Who knows? He's also at state primary, as was DS1.
He's also doing T and DS1 goes there. TBH, I don't care which DS2 gets to (vague preference for T I guess but I"m not overly bother). Whichever wants him the most can have him
Assuming someone wants him.
Hi, my DS is our first!! We didn't even think of these schools until he was in yr5 and went for a week exchange programme and came home saying "I want that as my senior school!!!".
My hubby is preferential to W but I like both...wasn't sure of W at first but now after a second visit and chat with HM I am equally happy with both. Just hope he done enough for interview!!!
Have you applied to state schools too????
Hope your DS does well
Yes our fall back state schools are Wilsons and Riddlesdown.
I think the feel at T & W are very different. I felt comfortable at T and slightly "I Shouldn't Be Here" at W. Academically, there's nothing to choose between them really.
Good luck to your DS too
He didn't like Riddlesdown, did it as a taster for him. Plus it a bit of a distance for us...
Done Wilsons but unfortunately was just off the mark...he done lots of work since then so hopefully he done enough.
He said his other favourit was Shirley High cos of the performing arts and music so he sat that...Roll on March for that one.
My preference is W to be truthful!!
I don't like Riddlesdown much but at least it is a guaranteed place. DS2 did pass Wilsons although we have no idea whether he is high enough up the list to get a place (340 passed, 120 places or something like that).
DS1 did not pass Wilsons, missed by a few marks, yet gained places at both W and T with a good academic scholarship at T. There is hope!
W - I've said it before and I'll say it again: Flamingos, purple capes and peacocks. What's not to love? W will always be my favourite in my heart but my head tells me that T probably suits us better.
When I say I don't like Riddlesdown, it;s because DS2 would just coast along there I think. He is very bright but very lazy
and stubborn as hell.
It is refreshing to talk to someone who has been and is going through the same as us.
It frightens the hell out of me that my DS is going to big school in September!!!
Lets hope he just gets into one because it will break his heart if he doesn't!!
But we told him his best is good enough for us, if not for them!!!
Here's hoping for a phone call or letter in the next week and the misery waiting for W will be over and we can then just put all our hopes into the other!! lol
Sounds promising if you DS1 was in the same boat as our DS but they look for different things at Wilsons, it because they free!!!!
Oh well a few more grey hairs over the next cpl weeks won't hurt I suppose
ooh SoupDragon just seen your second post...Your DS sounds EXACTLY like mine!!! They would get on well if they met!!!!
No, they'd probaby form a coalition and coast together
Have just recieved a call from W inviting our son in for interview early part of next week, feel physically sick! Can anyone tell me what to expect?
Will be so relieved when this whole process is over. Have already gone through it all with DS1 and thought that I would sail through the process without feeling stressed, perhaps not.
LOL. It's just a chat. You won't be pinned down and interrogated. Congratulations
When DS1 went, he went in with the interviewer and they chatted about lord knows what and tried out the balloon powered car DS1 had taken in as his "thing" I don't think he was asked any more exam type questions (I think that was a T but I can't be sure).
Then he came out and I went in. The interviewer told me how wonderful my son was and how well he'd done and I kind of stopped concentrating after that He was just asking about family stuff, what DS1 was like, inconsequential kind of stuff.
We then had an interview with the head which, personally, I found rather like I"d been summoned for some misdemeanour or other. Again, nothing major was asked or talked about.
Thank you so much for the information. Have calmed down now Will be fine on the day. Very pleased that we only have 2 children and looking forward to a few years respite before DS1 goes in for the next wave of applications..UCAS here we come!! Once again many thanks. Now decisions, decisions. Do we take "the pumping heart" or "how to build anything out of lego" too many choices.. LOL
I will be steering DS2 away from anything from the "Forbidden Lego" book or "Mini Weapons of Mass Destruction"
It's really just an ice breaker. They use it as something easy to chat to your son about rather than making any kind of judgement about it. Friends have taken photos of sport/music, their favourite book, some stuff about a hobby... that kind of thing.
We were thinking of our DS taking in his award for completing 6 years at his drama group...not sure though??? any suggestions gratefully received
Can he talk enthusiastically about his drama? That's all that matters I think.
Yes I think he probably could!! But you know what boys are like...umms and arghs!!!! He is quite shy and as long as they can get him to open up he be fine...one thing he can talk frankly and fully about is his spinal curve...maybe we should send him in with piccies of his back
At least they are completely used to interviewing boys!
hi there . does anyone know how many DS are invited for an interview at W and how many are rejected. Also should my DS expect academic questions to be asked at the interview at W . panicking .....interview on thurs.....
DS didn't have academic questions at Whitgift but did at Trinity.
I would imagine the number invited for interview depends on the number who pass. The number rejected would be the difference between this and the intake for the year (although they over offer to a degree on the assumption that not everyone accepts having had offers from other schools)
Hi all, just joining the post after a year! DS is very happy at W and it has definitely exceeded our expectations in terms of opportunities and quality of the teaching. Most of all, I'm just so glad that DS has finally found his place. He's gone from being the oddball at his primary school to someone with an amazing number of friends. He couldn't even fit them all on his page when he was asked about who his friends were! He is with a great bunch of kids who seem to be having the time of their life blowing up stuff in the science lab!
The interview at W was just a general chat. DS did not have to bring anything in. He was asked about some of the answers he gave in some of the papers, especially about the story he wrote in his English paper which was about a famous explorer. As he had just read a book about him, DS didn't find the interview too stressful. In any case, it was very short. Our interview was equally short. Canon B was very forthcoming in his praise of DS's performance and we came away thinking that he had a good chance of getting in.
The interview at T was slightly different. DS was whisked away for his interview while we had our chat with the headteacher. It was a far more daunting affair for DS as he had to answer various mental maths questions, read a poem, answer questions about it and talk about his CERN souvenir he had brought with him! Headteacher at T wasn't as forthcoming with information regarding DS's performance and we weren't sure where we stood after the interview. It was all very vague as if he didn't want to reveal too much.
We got generous offers from both and our decision to go for W was just based on the feeling that it was the right school for our DS and we could picture him there and so far, judging by how enthusiastic and keen DS is to go to school very morning despite the early start and long days, we feel that we definitely made the right decision!
Generalhaig and albird, how are your sons getting on at W?
Interesting - the head teacher at T was very forthcoming about DS1's performance when he we were there two years ago (as was Mr Beck at W). I found the head at W too intimidating and came away with the Feel Good Factor for Trinity instead
It's really interesting how people have different experiences and get a different feel about a school isn't it? It will be very interesting to see if I get the same kind of feel should DS2 get interviews at both.
Reading this post brings back so many memories of sleepless nights last year!!
My DS is at W in year 7 and really enjoying it - as stressederica says - despite having to get up so early he leaps out of the car to go to school.
Our interview experience was similar to stressederica's - he was asked about his essay but also he was asked some maths questions and about the history period he was doing at school. It was a tough interview and we sat in for the end of it (I had to stop myself answering the questions for him!). However when we were interviewed without DS we got such wonderful feedback from the interviewer we felt that the school really wanted him. In T interview he had to talk about the 'item' he took in - nothing too difficult. Think it depends on whether its a scholarship interview or not. Last year at T I believe parents were only interviewed if DS was a scholarship candidate whereas W interviewed all parents.
We are delighted with our decision - good luck to everyone having interviews over next few weeks.
My son sat the 10+ exams at both W and T last week. Have any of you received letters or phone calls yet?
hi stressed (I was generalhaig)
ds still v happy at W - definitely the right place for him
the vast majority of teachers are excellent (have had one or two slightly weaker ones over the years, but nothing to worry about) and I really feel that they know ds, both the good bits and the bad ...
Woohoo! Just been invited to interview at Whitgift
fantastic SoupDragon - well done DS2! We're off there today!!!
Good luck to ds2. Make sure that his top shirt button is done up!!!
Hi Farmer - we do did both 10+ last week. No news yet.
Let's hope you don't have a nightmare today then
DS2 won't have his top button done up because I won't be dressing him in a shirt and tie or his school uniform
Although by a stroke of luck, earlier today I booked haircuts this evening for all three children so at least he won't resemble a sheepdog!
My DS sat the W test last Thurs. 3 boys from his school have been called for interviews already. 2 by text and email last on Monday and 1 by letter yesterday. my son's surname is lower alphabetically if they select alphabetically? and I believe he is boarderline, any information out there?. i'm beginning to fret........
They don't select alphabetically, no. It will most likely be in order of papers marked - as a batch are marked, they send invitations out to another set of boys for interview. The phone ones would have been the first papers marked and they were phoned to get the process started quickly.
my friend had suggested that it wasn't alphabetical. i haven't had the dreaded rejection letter so am still hoping something will arrive tomorrow! so stressful, and DS will be anxious as his classmates have been contacted :-(
Well done Soupy...we got interview letter yesterday for our DS. Hopefully he will do well...I however am going to put a tie on my DS whether he likes it or not!!
hope your DS2 gets on well
It will indeed be interesting to get your feedback on W interviews this year.
Generalhaig and albird, nice to hear that your boys are enjoying the 'Whitgift life'!
One good reason for not putting DS2 in a tie is because the only one we have is a Trinity tie
just wanted to wish you all well.
i was also an anxious parent last year. In the long wait for that interview letter I began to seriously doubt my own judgement re DS's academic ability. However all things ended well. For those applying to W my DS is in year 7 and he is having a great time.
Yes, that would be sending a message, wouldn't it!
just wanted to wish you all well.
i was also an anxious parent last year. In the long wait for that interview letter I began to seriously doubt my own judgement re DS's academic ability. However all things ended well. For those applying to W my DS is in year 7 and he is having a great time.
Hi havinganightmare! Well done to your son for getting an interview at W today. How did it go?
Not sure how to read these things but I didn't really get a great vibe about it although DS said his interview went "well" whatever that means! He was asked a few maths questions, of which he got two right and one right on the second guess (his words!). He was very pleasant and quite complimentary about DS but I'm not sure. However, as we've never done anything like this before I have nothing to judge it against! Everything crossed please as DS now wants to go there more than ever - typical! I need to lie down for about a year....
Has anyone any tips and advice on Eltham college exams and interviews. Now very very anxious nervous figure !
just throwing this out there.. My DS hasn't been called for an interview for W as yet?? (though slowly loosing hope) We did however receive a letter from the foundation today re his Bursary (requesting more information etc..) I'm assuming the two are not that closely linked, as separate offices etc.. anyone know anything on this subject????
That is the Whitgift Foundation is completely separate offices to Whitgift School. One does communicate with the other though, obviously.
Oh Blisstina poor you!! I am sure your DS has done well.
Did he sit for T too?? We have heard from W but not T. Still hoping for interview at T, just wondering has anyone started receiving phone calls for T yet??.
We too have applied for a bursary so perhaps they are working through these now.
Hopefully you will hear soon
Does anyone have expereince of the sports assessment day at Whitgift? Any top tips?
Hi all again
Has anyone started hearing from Trinity yet??
Got interview on Monday for W but as my DS has sat for both would like to interview for both
Any interview feedback for W be good too
We just heard today that our DS has been invited for the sports assessment on Monday and an Interview Wednesday. So nervous, even phoned W to ask "does this mean he passed the exam" Doh! I understand the 'sports' is a combination of football, hockey, cricket and Rugby and they just want to see that DS lives up to their expectation which is high in terms of sports ability. A friend whose DS is at W says they grade them (0%, 5%, 10% etc unto 50%) in terms of award. But apparently success at interview is not related to the scholarship appraisal. If I thought I was nervous before today then I am a wreck now!!
Good luck to ur DS!
MyDS is having interview monday, keeping everything crossed
@those who have heard from both/either school...well done! I'm assuming (maybe wrongly) that this is for 11+. Anyone heard from 10+ at either W or T?
Feel sick as we've had a W interview but haven't been invited for sports assessment next week although we applied for sports scholarship.... Oh dear .... Good luck everyone else. I'm gutted and DS will be v sad.
My DS son did the sports assessment last year (age 9) and is having another go this year for 11+ - his assessment is on Thursday. He loved the day and found all of it enjoyable but was exhausted by the end. He came out saying what a great day it was as he got to play sport ALL day. This is what they did last year - the staff speak to everyone including parents at the beginning to say they understand everyone nervous etc but to try and enjoy it which I think is the best advice. They split them into their relevant entrance age groups and do a variety of fitness/agility/speed/power tests in the sports hall in the morning - so more than other schools do for sports assessments as most only do the bleep test in terms of fitness testing but nothing difficult or you could necessarily train for (well not before next week!). Then they do about 40 mins of each of rugby, cricket, hockey and football (not necessarily in that order). I am not sure if the swimmers and tennis player applicants do all those four sports on top of their individual sports assessment but my DS had to do those 4 sports - he is a football and rugby player and none of the boys in his group had ever played hockey which the school expect to be the case and he is no cricketer. They got no feedback from the staff just instructions and were observed and notes taken - apart from performance and potential i think they are also marked on how they cope, work as a team, communicate etc (my view i don't know this for fact). There were breaks throughout and a DS was very complimentary about lunch in the canteen! Good luck everyone
i forgot to say they told everyone last year well done for being selected for assessment as they had 350 applicants for sports scholarship (across the 3 entrance ages) and of those only 150 were invited for assessment
Has anyone heard fromTrinity 10+ yet for a boy who is not applying for a scholarship?
My son's sports assessment is Thursday so they obviously run a few so I wouldn't be too despondent yet
Good luck to all the boys...Any news on the T interview dates yet??
Just out of interest MNetters, have any of your DSs done grammar school 11+ exams too? And if they are offered a place at a grammar school and either/or/both Whitgift and Trinity schools, which school place would you accept and why - just curious as DS has done grammar school exams but not for either of the above private schools....
Have you been on a tour of the schools?
DS2 passed the test for Wilsons but I would want him to go to Trinity or Whitgift.
Oh, because he will perform better in a smaller class and I think Trinity or Whitgift will have the time to change his energies better.
Thanks for feedback! Just interesting to hear what others have to say. And no, Ladymuck, we didn't do a tour of the schools - fraid to say it didn't really even cross our minds to consider private schools too....
@Margoswaltz- my DS sat 10+ at T and have not heard anything. Fingers crossed for us all.......
that makes me feel better if no-one has started hearing!!
Hi all, just heard Trinity have started phoning...interviews start next Tuesday so good luck to everyone
@Soup...really? I thought you had an interview lined up??
Sorry Soup...just read Frankie's post and it all makes sense now...shows how razzled my head is at the moment!
@Margoswaltz re. 10+..heard from W today, interview this week.
We out to so just hope if T ring they will try our mobiles or atleast leave a message
Hi all, has anyone heard if rejection letters have gone out from W? I have heard nothing plus I have applied for sports scholarship and no news. losing hope as sports tests this week.
Maybe if u not heard by end nxt wk ring them, but if last yr is anything to go by some interviews took 3 weeks plus. Try not to worry
Heard from T this morning. Interview in a couple in weeks.
Grrrr - no phone message.
I am up at Trinity this evening and am considering attempting to hack into their computer systems :0
haha Soup look for us too if you do...we didn't get a call either...you DS1 is there isn't he? Do they give any extra points to being a sibling of a student???
I guess that depends on the quality of the original sibling...
@PoozieP..look back at morethanlikely's post on previous page which has comforting words!
@Margos DS..well done!
Wow, I can't believe it is two years since I went through this (ds now in Y8 at Trinity). Reading your posts brings it all back!!! I remember how horribly stressful it was.
Good luck to all of you - fingers crossed for interviews and lovely offers in the post come February!
seems like such a long wait!!! Never mind we half way there got our interview Monday at W...just waiting on that call from T and our DS will be an even happier bunny!!!!
Yey - interviews at both for 10+!! Anyone take up the 'offer' of a parents interview at T - if yes why and what happened? Thanks.
@10+ parents...any of your boys told to bring something in for interview at W?
Sigh of relief, W interview over and done with, think it went fairly well and DS seemed positive. When I went in all I heard was "He did very well in the test" and "What a nice child he was" before I tuned out and probably gave a terribly garbled response. I seem to remember saying something about what a wonderful school it was and how much DS liked it. We also recieved a letter today inviting DS for interview at RGS and have sat CLF and the grammars with pass mark achieved for Wilsons. What a performance, hoping that out of all the above we will have at least one yes!
Preference for W it has to be said, fingers crossed time. Good luck to everyone else out there.
I didn't get "offered" an interview with the headmaster at Trinity when DS1 was applying, I had to go! I can't remember if the wording of "offered an interview with the HM" was the same when DS1 did it though.
HELP!!!! my stress levels are beginning to rise now...my DS got his interview tomorrow...omg I hope he does well!!! It will break his heart if he don't get in!!! Oh well suppose we will just have to wait and see...off now to iron and double iron everything so nothing stressful to do in the morning. good luck to all boys interviewing and hope it all comes good for us
Farmer - my Ds has been told to take something for T, but the W letter specifically said that DS does not need to take anything with him. Still not sure wether it is the done thing to ask for an interview with T head or not....
frankies69- good luck! At least you have your foot in the door so a lot of the hard work done. Hoping we get some news tomorrow, good of course! By the way my son doesn't even own a tie!!!
They won't be judging you on your ironing skills
Nor will they be judging your son on whether he is wearing a tie
unless he is wearing tie from the rival school
Just tell your son to relax and be himself.
hopefully he doesn't umm and argh too much!!!
february seems like such a long way off at the moment
well i suppose you are all right we got a bit further!!
@pooziepuzzle fingers crossed for you
@ frankies69 All the best for tomorrow
@ margoswaltz thanks on way now
Frankies69, hope your DS did well in his interview. i havent heard anything as yet, and also nothing about sports asssessments, which I believe are this week, so losing hope there :-(
PoozieP, have you heard anything today? wishing you luck.
ps.... does anyone know if sports assessments just run this week?
Thanks Blisstina keeping my fingers crossed for you. Have you only tried W or have you tried for others too?
Interview went really well! DS was brimming with pride that he had got this far, and so he should!! . Keeping our fingers crossed now for the offer letter!!
Good luck to those who've had/having interviews and those waiting to hear PooziePuzzle and Blisstina
Took DS for the sports assessment this morning. There were approximately 25 boys present all for Y6 entry. My son is not academy level rugby, although he is decent all round but not exceptional. Some of the boys were at county level according to the parents I spoke to wait and see. collect in an hour. Interview Thursday - then nail biting wait I guess. Torture.
Good Luck Frankies69!!
Keepingittogether our interview was very relaxed, all the stress and anxiety for a very chatty chat.
What year is your DS trying for?? We in the year 7 cohort. I am sure your DS has done enough. But good luck for Thursday
Got the call from T for interview - phew! Very relieved as have put all eggs in one basket as it were. Good luck to everyone else waiting.
@soupdragon when do you go for your interview at W? Have you heard from T?
Found out today the no's are winging their way in the post by Friday but the "we want to see you's" are all being done by phone...oh well just a few more days of waiting for the telephone won't kill us I suppose!!!
Atleast we had one interview that was very positive...just a waiting game for us now and lots of breathing exercises to stay calm
Hi Blisstina, still no news. I am finding it very hard not to phone them up and ask as sports assessments this week (not sure if next too). It is driving me nuts not hearing anything when i know boys who have assessments this week. @frankies69- glad today went well.
@to those who have yet to hear, fingers crossed. Heard from T this morning, interview next week, W ths week. Well done to Asterisk and Frankie DS.
Sports assessment are apparently going in to next week so don't be despondent. Letters still being sent out apparently.... Fingers crossed all round.
Whitgift interview done Apparently exam showed no weaknesses whatsoever and he is being strongly recommended for a scholarship - whether it materialises or not remains to be seen but on the face of it I would be surprised if he doesn't at least get offered a space. That 1-2 hours of work a week and all the shouting must have paid off
Apparently he is very honest about his flaws too
Good luck to anyone still wanting, well done to the who have made it through so far!
Soupy - so pleased it went well. We've got ours later this week for 10+ - how long were you/DS in there for? Is DS interviewed away from the parents? Getting so stressed about all this!!
There is absolutely nothing to get stressed about . DS2 was interviewed by himself for 10 minutes, I was interviewed by myself for 10 minutes. And by "interviewed" I mean chatted with.
Trinity have just phoned - we are there next week.
Well done Soup, still waiting for T wish the phone would ring
Thanks for the reassurance Soupy and well done on T too! We've got even longer til that one so would be interested to hear anyones comments on T interviews too.
DS1 did the 11+ interview at Trinity. Much the same as Whitgift although they should take a "thing" along as an ice breaker and may get asked a few academic questions as well.
Yes - will have to think carefully about teh 'thing' - hate to think what DS's choice would be. I imagine his DS would not go down well
It can be anything - a favourite book, something he did at school, his collection of dead animals, that kind of thing
No, I'm not a stalker, honest!
still waiting......@PoozieP, have you heard anything yet? i rang up last Thurs and was told that they wouldn't give out any information over the phone, but that interviews were being conducted this week. sadly we are now nearly into the middle of this week and nothing.
well done to your DS Frankies69, and thanks for well wishes.
well done to all who have had interviews and excellent news re your DS Soupdragon.
@Havinganightmare, thanks for the info re sports assessments, fingers are blue from being crossed sooooo tightly!!!!!
does anyone know when rejection letters are being sent out??????
@Frankies69, Thanks - deep breathing for Thursday now! Interrogated DS over sports assessment (he is trying for y6 at W), which was like pulling teeth (hmmm now thats an idea), about an hour after we got home, he came in and said "Oh something a bit strange did happen Mum, the Rugby coach pulled me out of the group for a few minutes to ask some questions", "WHAT!!???" I asked "Exactly what did you do wrong?". "Oh he just asked if I played for an academy, that kind of stuff". He claimed no one else was taken out of the group. Why he never mentioned this between 4PM and 7:30 PM I will never know.
@soup- well done, you can't ask for more than that!
@havinganightmare- ooh, interesting. Fingers crossed.
@blisstina- nothing yet. No post yet today, think the postman is avoiding me, perhaps he knows I am stalking him!!
Just wondering... is there joined-up thinking between the head and the teacher doing the interview? Will the head know anything about DS or is that 'chat with parents' an entirely unconnected with the child? Also, is being invited for a 30 min interview at T the norm, or can we be hopeful that it indicates in running for <whisper>scholarship</whisper>?
I think the head will have some knowledge of the child, although when DS1 interviews the head interview was a matter of course rather than "If you want one"
I can't comment on the length as DS1 was being looked at for a scholarship and I assume DS2 is as well (LOL - listen to me: Mrs Smug McSmug of Smugsville!)
Thanks Soupdragon. So did they say how long your interview was for when they phoned from T? You're entitled to feel smug! Wish I could too. On hopeful side, nice person phoning seemed to expect us there for head interview, and also said DS did v well in exam. Don't want to be complacent though...
Yes, half an hour.
I am SO glad I have a good few years before I have to do all this with DD. It is utterly horrendous.
Well thanks all for good wishes...still sitting with the phone PINNED to my ear and the postman has a tracking device on his foot that goes off when he nears my door!!!! Atleast if we don't get a phone call by Friday we know our DS isn't what T are looking for.
To all those worrying about W interview must say it was fine, we were exceedingly nervous but had a lovely chat and can only keep our fingers crossed. DS done brilliantly in the exam and now it is up to whether he is their sort of thing!!! I AM convinced he is their cup of tea but you never know.
He came out from the interview feeling confident as he did from the exam so if his confidence is anything to go on....he is IN!!!! ha ha one exceptionally excited mother here!!!!!
Part of me feels that if they did well enough in one exam, they are uniquely to have stuffed up the other unless they are a borderline case anyway. I don't know...
Yeah, Frankie, it seems really unlikely that if he's done so well at W he could have fluffed T. What are you thinking for DD, Soupy? Mine v happy at OP.
Is there a link between who interviews the boys at T and W? Do the more 'senior' teachers interview the scholarship/borderline boys do you think?
DD is 6 in February - I've got a fair while to go before I have to worry about her
I don't know about a link between interviewer and boy - the Whitgift one said he was delighted to see DS2 as he "doesn't often get let loose on the scholars". I did wonder if the headmaster at W interviews those boys who are borderline scholarship ones - DS1 was being put fraud for one but I don't think he did well int he HM interview and he didn't get one. DS2 is (apparently) very strongly recommended and didn't see the HM but a friend of his was. I don't know - I guess you can come up with all sorts of theories!
Wow!!! I started this thread 12 months ago, how time flys.
We eventually went with Whitgift. Our DS is in year 7 and having a great time. He has to be reminded that it is not a HOLIDY CAMP!!!
He was concerned about leaving his Prep friends but has made loads of new friends at W.
Good luck to all of you. I remember all to well what you are going through!!!
DH took the call from T and says he'd stopped concentrating after he'd written down the date and time, but doesn't think we were given a time for the interview length - MEN!! That was on Sat and still waiting for promised confirmation letter. Has everyone else been told it's 1/2 hr??
@SoupDragon - I too have a DD but 8 in July. I've already started worrying about her - there seem to be much fewer opportunities for girls in this area?
Has anyone out there received offers from W following interviews last week? Have heard that some letters are coming out this week, trying to hold it together and struggling to be calm, no letter!!!! Words of comfort would be greatly appreciated.
I understood that they would not make any offers until 16 February 2012 when they send them all out at once? Are you sure your intelligence is correct? Bit worrying if so.......How was your interview? Did you come away feeling you might be alright?
@beanie no letters are being sent till 16 feb in line wiv others
Still no news for us from T but no rejection letter either so still hoping
@beanie, I was told that all the offer letters go out together. A friends DS was accepted last year and they (her and five other stressed Mums) all heard at the same time, even though interviews were days/weeks apart.
Just had an excited cal from friend who received an interview date/time from W today for next week - so for anyone waiting they appear to still be in the process. My friend's DS was 11+ not 10+ like mine.
@keepingittogether...glad our friend has interview date
Well we still not heard from T either way and have been told they are ringing and sending letters right up until Friday!! Still gotta wait!!!!
@frankies69 How utterly agonising. I hope it's good news for you. Did you phone to get the info on what's going on? I wonder if they would divulge how many are being interviewed if one asked directly?
@frankies69 - I am sure it will work out fine and hopefully you will hear soon with a date, then you can relax
@Asterisk, I rang them to be told everyone will hear by Friday!!! they were fine about me asking...but no I don't think they will tell you how many etc. I know a friend heard at 6.30 last night so still a bit of time to go
@keepingittogether I would just like to know one way or the other really...whatever the answer and then a large will be in order!!!
Following this thread with interest.
Im thinking of trying DS1 for T and W next year BUT we have no idea of the standard expected. He's a bright lad but no genius, and in a good state primary. Can anyone tell me, are most boys who apply from a prep school background or state and do they have to be super-bright and/or tutured?
Oh, and I can feel the nerves from here, so good luck to you all
Thank you all. I heard from a friend who said her friend had told her that her DS was offered a place as he was one of the top candidates/scholarship offered etc. I'm starting to wonder who to listen to, playground talk? Should know better. I think I will avoid the drop off and pick up for a while. I too thought they were all sent out at the same time. I'm sorry if I freaked anyone out! Back to sanity and keeping calm until the letters arrive. Thank you for your support
We came away feeling that it went fairly well, we were told "nice things" and I'm pretty sure that I didn't babble on too much although I couldn't tell you what I said after they told me that they liked my DS and he'd done well in the tests. I can't testify to having asked any intelligent questions at all! DS came out very relaxed, he'd been asked 2 questions and a big chat about which rugby club he plays for, he seemed positive, apparently lots of smiling and laughing went on! All that having been said I have no doubt that they were as pleasant to everyone. It's anyones guess really. Trying to stay grounded ! We really want W as does DS so fingers crossed and likewise for everyone out there in the same position. How did you feel?
Sounds very similar, son asked about football, no challenging questions. Tried to gauge how keen we were on W and I was fairly sycophantic but it is true I think it would really suit him. Did get the sense that he fitted the bill, academic and sporty though so feel hopeful.
@TheregoesBod, my son too is at a state primary school and has achieved highly in the W exam. We still waiting to hear from T so this is why we, I mean me!!! are stressed!!! My DS had 6 sessions with a tutor over 12 weeks two hours per month but that was just because his primary school don't offer any assistance to pupils trying for entrance papers. I know of a tutor I can recommend if you are interested nearer the time, private message me if your interested
@TheregoesBod, I believe T & W take about 60% from state schools. If your DS is achieving at Level 5 in Maths and English on the National Curriculum by the end of Year 5, he probably stands a good chance of getting in. Get hold of the sample papers and the Bond 'How to do 11+' series (maths is particularly good). You'll quickly identify which topics your DS needs help for. You don't necessarily need a tutor. My kids were happy to work through the Bond books with me (in fact my DS consistently outstripped me in the maths - I learned a lot!). We sent him on a 2-day 11+ preparation course to reinforce exam techniques as a precaution. I figure that even if it doesn't necessarily translate into a place, it is good consolidation and groundwork for Year 7 wherever they end up. My DD sat for three indie schools and got offers of scholarships at all of them without any outside tutoring. But doing some preparation is very worthwhile as it really helps to be familiar with the types of reasoning questions - they are not intuitive. Good luck if you do decide to go for it.
This thread is huge. How come? My brother went to Whitgift years ago and I don't recall it being exceptional or exceptionally popular then. Why is it so sought after? Is it purely pressure of demographics or what?
Maybe the thread is so long, not because the schools are exceptionally sought after, but more because there are some really chatty people in the south London area?
Or because the thread was started last year!
I totally agree with asterisk about tutoring, my ds was high 5 achiever but was told he would need to b a 6! Something I have now realised isn't true. However I am pleased we did 6 1hr sessions as it just helped him with the papers, and his neatness!!! I wouldn't say he wouldn't neaten his work for me, but the rows and screams from me and the tears from him was too much, so for us and him it was a better option!
Ps still no news from T, really beginning to loose all hope
Our DS did bond books and sample papers over a period of 6 months at home, no tutor as such just a lot of effort. DH covered English and I covered maths with DS.
@Yellowstone W & T are special. The world is a far more competitive place and they add an extra zing in sixth form in order to help them achieve the right vocation or Uni. An older cousin went through W on a sports scholarship, was taken on by a leading academy and is now a professional player - W gave him a lot of attention & support plus extra after hours coaching to get to the top of his game. My DS is not at that level BUT W will find a strength in him somewhere that I am confident of - if he gets in
Has anyone actually had an interview at T yet (10+) or are they a bit behind W? Looking for feedback before next weekend
T exam was later than W so the interviews I would imagine are later Good luck with it when it happens
Of course - I forgot! The 10+ was only 2 days later on the Saturday....I shall have to be patient (although I already have no nails left)!
@Seeline - I don't think any of us have nails left!!
@everyone - I am soooo losing the plot, sending messages to wrong people etc, although you are all great
Would anyone please let me know if they have had 'thanks but no thanks' letter from T, I am going out of my mind waiting!!! Can't concentrate on anything!!!
frankie and asterisk - thanks so much for the info. Its good to know that it could be a realisable aim for him! If/when we decide to go for it I will pm you re.that tutor if you don't mind frankie.
Oh, and it's not the end of the week yet so don't give up hope!
@theregoesBod No by all means that is fine
Anyone know if the school report is obtained for all applicants or only those who have passed the test and they are considering?
The requests for school references seem to have been sent out before they sat the test. My DS's teacher said she received it on the Friday before they sat the test on Tuesday.
My DS teacher also received referrence request before they sat so nothing to do with the pass/not pass
Do you know if this is the case for W too? I think you are talking about T.
@frankies69- any news from T? good luck.
Yes definitely case for W too
NOooooo still no news, Dh keeps saying there's still one more day but think I gonna have to resign myself to T being a no and pin our hopes on ds choice and forget a 2nd option sad really would've liked him to have a choice. But suppose we are luckier than some who haven't got either
Son did sports assesment today at W and it was very tough, all hopes of sports scholarship disappearing...what were other boys' experiences? So depressing
@SWStressed...keeping fingers crossed
I have been following this thread for days and have finally decided to join it. The stress has got to me so much that now I have started tearing my hair out arrrrrgggghhh...
My DS took the T and W exam, had the interview with W and it all went 'well'
@frankies69 - I am in the same situation as you no news at all from T.
@soupy - I envy you - you've had both the interviews!
@all - has any of your DS sat grammar schools?
loosing all hope....
We've not actually had the T interview yet - next Wednesday.
It's a horrendous time of year. Roll on 12th Feb when it is really all over.
DS sat, and passed, Wilsons. Where he is in the pecking order for places we don't know.
same here, mine sat Sutton Grammar and passed, but have to wait until 1st March.
@kravings maybe we will both be lucky tomorrow trying not to give up hope
@Soup good luck for Wednesday nothing personal
@frankies69...I am not going to leave the house tomorrow and camp next to the phone ...hope (fingers crossed) against hope
@kravings...I gotta go to work but will have this on all day to watch for updates ...gonna ring T and demand an answer ...fingers crossed tightly for us both x
Kravings and frankie, sorry to hear you are still waiting. I know it is no consolation but obviously some people have to be the ones contacted on the last day.
Honestly, if your boys got interviews at W then it is highly likely they will get one at T.
Fingers crossed you get called tomorrow!!
If I don't get a call by 4pm then I am def calling them up
SWStressed - any tips on the sports assessment? DS has his tomorrow..... am now worried! Were the boys a very high standard? Were the fitness tests really tough? Must get DS to bed!!!
Oh nice flowers!!
Kravings, just spotted that your Ds passed Sutton - very impressive!
Ds flunked all of the grammar schools but still managed to get interviews at W and T. Not that W offered him a place in the end but that's a different story!!!
I can't recall anyone getting an interview at one and not the other at 11+ (although I've known it happen at 13+).
I'll be checking in tomorrow to see if there is any news. Good luck!
Thanks Caoimhe I am v happy about Sutton, but again its how high he is on the rankings.
I'll keep you updated.
oh the waiting game....
good luck to all those waiting for the phone to ring tomorrow, going to see if i can sleep for more than a cpl hours ready for the dreaded wait
Marbleslonggone, yes fitness tests all morning, that was the toughest part then 30 mins playing each of their main sports. My son is a football player and they did that last so he was knackered and thought they didn't really see him at his best. Most boys looked pretty normal to me but my son did say a couple were amazing. They continually mark them on their ipads which he also found offputting. I suppose that is the fairest way but it feels like it would be very hard to excel accross the board. He enjoyed it though but expect a limp rag at 3.45pm! Good luck
@kravings and all those waiting for the T phone call....good luck!!!! I am unfortunately at work today and so am going to try not to stress until after lunch when I will be picking up the phone . I just want to be able to tell my DS what is going on!!!
To all those who have got their interview dates, best wishes
Interviews yesterday at W, our DS came out all relaxed smiling. The process for us was relaxed, I guess. It is all a blank though as I was too stressed, never really had a feel either way from the Dr, quite cold but polite and formal. Feel even worse now and more stressed !!!! DH was convinced it went well and feels confident, but he said that a couple of years ago before he was made redundant - head in the clouds!! I wish one of you had come with me for a reality check.
possibly my last posting on this thread. in the past 2 weeks I have flitted from biting my nails up to my elbows, to thinking "in the grand scheme of things, this is okay". we havent heard from W and assume that we wont at this late stage. I am now resigned to that, and so is my son as the other boys from his class have had their interviews and sports assessments.
i'm now looking to find out if anyone knows when the rejection letters are coming out. will need to have a chinese ready for my son and a bottle of fizz on hand for me......then we will cuddle on the sofa and eat chocolate.
@keeping it together...glad interview is done fingers now crossed for your DS
@blisstina...I am in the same position with T, boring myself with my comments of no news yet!!! . Have you considered ringing them to find out what is happening?? which is exactly what I am going to do in the next hour!! Good luck to you DS wherever he goes. x
I have finally got to the stage where I don't think my ds has got T . I have just been told not to ring and if he is to be offered an interview I will receive a call by the end of today!!! Oh well he will be disappointed but I must just keep my fingers crossed for W - his first choice if truth be told
Someone does have to be called for interview last, it's true. That really isn't any comfort at all if you are still hanging on though
@blisstina - can I join you for the chinese food and , you have no nails, I have no hair !
@frankies - I just CALLED T - they said that today is the day when all final calls are being made, so if we don't hear from them then we wait for rejection letters to come soon...aaaaaarrrrrgggghhhhhhh.
Ditto kravings on all accounts x
@ frankies69, called them and they wouldn't give anything away, said interview letters still going out this week...hello it's friday!!!! ( clearly didn't say that :-) hope you get a call from T, so difficult playing the waiting game.
@kravings lol - least you will save on the hairdresser bills. chinese at mine it is then.........
Hello everyone, I can't believe it's been a year since we went through this whole nightmare! Reading your comments just brings it all back (in a bad way!) I just wanted to wish everyone waiting for offers the best of luck and courage. I know exactly what you're all going through!
DS did the 10+ last year and is now happily skipping along to W every morning (He is up at 6 and dressed by 7 ready for another day, which is nothing short of a miracle!) He is having a great time and I also have to keep reminding him that it is not a holiday camp!
The waiting is atrocious but take heart and it will all be over before you know it. My DS's birthday is on 12 February and the offers came out on the 11th last year. Was absolutely dreading the day! By the time the letters came through the postbox, I was hyperventilating! My hands were shaking so much I could not even open the envelopes. Read the first line of both letters and collapsed! I didn't even realise that DS had got very generous scholarships from T and W until my much calmer DH(who thought it best to stay home that day in case I have a heart attack!) pointed it out to me. To those with DSs at state primary school, my DS was too and he did very well in the exams. We had a tutor for 6 months just because the state primaries do not cater for those taking 11+ and other entrance exams. They don't cover everything, especially not in year 4 and 5.
Once again, good luck to everyone!
Soup dragon: Just saw that you had a DD. I do too and although she's only 4 and a half and has just started primary school, I want to start looking into secondary schools but not sure what's on offer in the area. There does not seem to be as many options for girls. Any idea what you're doing for your DD yet?
No idea what to do with DD. There are the neighbouring grammar schools of course but I guess the options are Old Palace (not heard great things), Croydon High (know nothing) and Royal Russell (heard mixed things). I'm not worrying about it because so much can change over the next few years
and DD may turn out to be not very bright
And, I'm told, if you've phoned T to ask you may well speak to people who have no idea whether your son will be offered an interview. Honestly, they don't know and even if they did, they can't tell you because you could be anyone.
@blisstina- I too have come to the conclusion that my DS will not be invited in as sports tests done all this week. However, I too phoned and was told they are holding a day back at the end of next week for sports assessments and letters still going out. I am trying to forget about it and except it is a "no" so anything else will be a surprise. I was also told that they finish interviews on the 30th Jan so no news by then will be obvious! Also told rejection letters come out the same time as the others, a bit harsh I thought to keep people waiting.
Hi all again,
I have just got in from work and found the letter saying my DS hasn't made it to T I must say now that I know I am actually relieved! I know his first choice is W and if he had got an interview at T I don't think he would have performed as well as he could !!
I am now waiting for the letters on 17th feb but am feeling ok about that because we had a good interview and came out feeling confident.
I am going to be watching all your posts closely and wish all your DS's the best in their future and hope they all get the schools they want!!
And to all those who have given me encouragement and support x
@frankies - I am very sorry hear that...in my case, no letter, no phone call. I guess the dreaded 'r' letter might be dropped on my doostep tomorrow. Just interrogated my DS as to how he did his exam papers, he seemed to be v confident !
@stressederica - I agree, primary schools do not cater at all for 11+ prep. I did most of it myself (I teach in Uni) and then just to brush him up we had a tutor for last 6 months.
Thank you got heads up swstressed - sadly only saw once he had left!!! He just phoned in great spirits as had a fab day but that obviously doesn't mean much as a any day of sport for ds is fab!! "Cricket was tennis balls only" was the only moan! Has bounced in the door just now and wants to go out to play football....! Let the waiting commence......
@kravings I must say I am now not I am in actual fact happy that the decision is taken away from us . He has done his absolute best and got the interview at the school he LOVES!!!!!! I am sorry however that you haven't heard and that it seems that it is not good for you .
Fingers crossed for W then Frankie
And a nailbiting for Kravings
So sorry Frankie. Everything crossed for W for your ds. And everyone else too!!
Thank you so much . Keeping everything crossed for all the DS's
@SWStressed thank you so much for the info which helped set him up this morning in terms of what to expect. V tired DS tonight. He enjoyed it I think but some really strong players there not sure my DS that level - county/academy standard boys not just all rounders like mine. Think he was overwhelmed and felt out of his league. Roll on feb 17th - I think! Now it's time for !!!
Marbleslonggone, exactly how I feel but do think it can't hurt for their name to have been in the frame for the application generally. Now going to stop thinking about it all!
Hi all. New-be here. Ive been reading all your posts last few days and as a result i have laughed so much, cried, taking up smoking, failed suicide and now enjoying a large glass of!! My DS is attending interview next Wed and sports test due Monday. Bare with me as im a great one for asking stupid questions however does anyone think that going for a scholarship would aide their decision and if doesnt do well in trials then thats it then? I mean, if DS just scrapped through however they think theyve got a budding Jonny Wilkinson coming their way then that would sway their decision OR now just solely down to interview? Ramble over ;)
I think if they were of the impression he was the next Johnny Wilkinson, they would overlook an average exam pass.
Also, Frankie my heart sank when I read about T, everything crossed for W!!
Don't fear stresscity, exceptional sporting or musical ability will trump pretty much any exam mark! I personally know one boy who was the subject of a battle between T and W despite needing learning support because he is a superb all round sportsman.
Sorry for those who have not got the news they wanted - sometimes it can be really difficult to fathom the reasoning behind the schools' decisions (and of course they don't always get it right).
Fingers crossed for good outcomes for everyone.
Gutted for you, frankies (and kravings and blisstina if it's definitely a 'no'). I'm sure your DSs will go on to do just fine. It may seem a big disappointment now, but things have a way of turning out for the best. Feel free to quote my words back at me when my monosyllabic DS flunks out at the interview stage.
still no post or phone...I have no hope now and resigned myself to think that he has def not made it to T
@all - apart from W and T, what other options have you all considered?
@Asterisk - When is your interview? don't worry about your DSs interview, they know how to survive when they are on their own. My one did v well in the W interview, he usually v shy, in the interview he was v chatty and answered a range of (difficult) mental maths questions, he talked about his passion for sports and a range of other topics.
@kravings - my DS doesn't do 'chat' (although he does speak mental maths fluently). Interview is at the end of the month. I'm encouraging him to be more loquacious but he is on mild side of autistic spectrum and it gets really obvious in a one-to-one situation. He's a lovely child, and one of the reasons I'm keen on T is that there does seem to be a nurturing environment, but I don't think he's going to come across at all well at interview.
How infuriating that you haven't heard anything. What's with relying on post and phone anyway? We ought to be able to log in to get status of applications. Surely it would be easier for the schools to manage too?
I agree, Asterisk, re the reliance on phone calls and post - you'd think in this day and age they could manage something a little more modern.
Actually I think the system of people being left dangling whilst others are getting calls and letters is really horrible. Surely they know early on if they are not going to offer interviews? Why the delay?
kravings, it is grim that you have been told nothing. Some of the results seem quite bizarre - how can your ds have passed Sutton and not got an interview at T (if such is the final outcome)? Truly strange - do call T on Monday in case there has been some sort of muck up.
What a time for us all, especially for those who still havent heard-thats awful!Caoimhe-thanks for that, unfortunately he is no budding JW! I just wondered would they have put him to interview if we hadnt completed a scholarship. Also we heard last Tuesday about the interview and they said would confirm in writing-we too are still waiting for confirmation. Has everone received theirs in writing? DH remebered time and date but not who apt is with.
I think its not all black and white! Is there even a pass mark? As Ive been saying, I think they look at the whole picture hence the delay, taking into consideration of scholarshops compeleted.
I don't think you were told who the T interview was going to be with, I wasn't. I was told a date, a time, that it would be half an hour and asked if i wanted to speak to the headmaster whilst I was there.
No confirmation letter yet from T re interview. I think they must decide how many they're going to interview and work down results list. Perhaps some people decline interview and those at the boundary then get consideration? It seems unlikely, but why the delay in sending out rejections once all the papers are marked? Another thought that struck me is that I wonder if they take into account what a child has written in the composition exercise? If, for example, there's swearing, does that mean an automatic veto? Not that Mumsnetters' children ever would. Just speculating on the judgement calls that might be made...
@Asterisk n @all,
Thanks for all your support - oh Yes! English Composition mattera A LOT. My DS wrote about a Summer Day out at Thorpe Park with the family, the 1st question asked in the W interview was about the Composition and a range of questions about time spent with the family. The same with Kingston Grammar interview - the starting point of the interview was the Composition!
Well some news, DS didn't get pass mark for Sutton or Wallington on the grammar tests so only hope for grammar is Wilsons, no idea how far up the list he will be! Letter in post this morning from CLF and he is on the waiting list so at least it's not a final no and interiew at RGS next Saturday.
The waiting is just horrible, we are holding out for W, it's our preference even over Wilsons and just hoping against hope that if it ends up being a no that we at least have an offer from one of the others. I haven't planned any further ahead than that, what to do? and start feeling ill when I think about it! Hope all of you are all holding up too
@marbles - well done to your DS atleast he has given it his best shot!!!
@stresscity - [flowers] the disappointment is now gone and we looking to our DS future
@asterisk - I am sure your son will thrive wherever he goes
@kravings - I am soooo sorry you not heard . Just resign yourself as we have that T is not the right school. And as my DS said last night - who wants their second choice!!! He is soooo bloody philosophical!!!!
@beanie - don't give up hope, my DS didn't get Wallington, Wilsons, Riddlesdown and now Trinity!!!! HA HA he got an interview at the school he wanted all along, W!!!!
@everyone, I can't say how much the feedback from you all has kept me sane and grounded!!!! I am sending you all love and good wishes for the schools your DS's get into and hope mine gets into W above all!!!
the only thing that keeps me going is you all , DH is too cool about everything and thinks I am going mental. The waiting is really getting to me, not just an answer from T, but the overall wait for 16th Feb and 1st March! Never felt this many mixed emotions before
kravings I understand, our DS tried all the grammar and others and the only one he really wanted was W. I am beginning to believe that whatever the outcome of all this is we may have become the closest group of people who have never met in this country!!! I can't say I wasn't upset yesterday the T didn't want our DS but am glad we know...My DH sounds as laid back as yours so I think I will be doing all the worrying for this family. Sit back now with a nice or and think 'MY SON WILL GET THE BEST SCHOOL FOR HIM!!!!' because that is exactly what I am going to do!!!!!
Frankie, you are absolutely right!
I remember when Ds got his rejection from W that he was happy as he preferred T! In retrospect, I can see that W got it right and that T suits him better.
Things have a funny way of working out for the best.
ditto Kravings all that you said-thank god for you guys!
I too was under the impression ( and hoping) that they look at the bigger picture , not just exam results. Seems not the case as my DS plays one sport at County level and another at Academy level yet have heard nothing from W. Depressing!!
Oh poozie that is awful!!! Keeping everyting crossed for next week can't believe that your son is that level and not been called . How did he think he had done in the exam??? just seen your update, I missed!!! from other day saying everything stops on 30th Jan...good luck
you are right frankies - we are the closest group of people online who have never met because we are all aiming for the same goals and yet pulling each other on to the finish line
I've been following your posts over the last couple of days and I have my fingers crossed for you all!! It's great to see people really encourage each others, think some of the mother's on the elevenplus forum could learn from this.
It's my first time going through the whole secondary school scenario so I feel your pain.
@stressedcity We too received a phone called from T re interview last Saturday. Got given date and time and told confirmation letter will be sent. So far we haven't received any letter from them...
@frankies69- to be honest my DS was not that confident about the exam so I was hoping they would look at him for his sporting ability and what he can offer the school that way. Hopes diminishing fast. You can't help but take things personally, my attitude now is it's their loss!! Good luck with final results in Feb.
I really would not worry to much if you DS failed Grammar results.
We failed to reach pass marks at Sutton, Wilson's and Wallington but got offered places at both T & W.
@poozie - that is how we feel at T, they not good enough for us
@mummax - we really sat the grammars for a taster for him and to see if he was really serious about W, and they never put him off so we supposed he must be . We are all nearly there now thankfully
DS1 did not pass either Wallington or Wilsons when he sat them but got an offer at Whitgift and a 30% scholarship at Trinity.
@mummax - it would be gr8 to have choices - what if W does not offer him a place even after good interview and good exams - we will then be offered the local comprehensive
@poozie - ditto - you can't help but take things personally, I am in the same boat as you - my hope have all gone now and told DH that we have lost out on T as well.
@frankies - 16th/1st seems too far away from my eyes
oh need a and to calm down!
@all - makes me wonder then who are these mums whose boys get offered at Wilson/Wallington? ?
I was told that the interviews at T&W make it clear which boys were heavily tutored and which are naturally bright. The grammars don't do this, it is purey on the pass mark.
@kravings the boys i have heard about are all prep boys...or have been tutored for a very long time!!! It is really unfair that the indie sector are getting the grammar places, but the only thing that you can do is join them!!!
I am keeping my fingers crossed fro your ds. I too am in the same boat as you that it is either W or a local comp...not giving up hope!!!!!
@soup...well done to your ds he deserves all he has got
same here, tutored and bright. I guess its 'on the day' how they perform that counts
@frankie - , your support means a lot.
@soup - you are v lucky, I hope, too, that your DS2 follows in the footstep of DS1.
I have a DS2 who will also make me go through this whole process in 2 years time...again..
will be watching closely to see what happens with your DS2 kravings...We have a DD but she is only 3 so got many years before worrying about her...our DS will hopefully be in uni the same year we go through this with her so am going to have a double wammy!!!! ...planning was bad!!!!!
he he he...frankies...you are funny, yes, bad planning I guess
I'm sure the majority of kids at grammar schools are actually from state primaries but the majority will have been heavily tutored - a friend's ds is at Wilson's - he went to a very ordinary state primary but was tutored from Y3 for grammar school!!!
There are lots of prep school kids who don't make the cut to grammar schools either!!
kravings and frankie - are your local Comps that bad? If ds hadn't got into T he would have gone to my local Comp but it is fine (and most of my neighbours' children go there so I know what it is like from the "inside"). Your boys are obviously bright so would be in top sets anyway!
I hope that you get the schools you really want, though!
I think that when i will be looking at secondary for DD I will have DS1 doing GCSEs and DS2 choosing GCSE options.
When DS1 does A levels, DS2 will be doing GCSEs.
oh soup much better planning than us...we got an 8 year gap and yes she was!!!! ha ha
@caoimhe you obviously don't live in the same area as me, because my DS is NOT going to my local comp it is horrendous and i will home tutor if i have to . I have applied for schools slightly out of my area
frankie - which is your local comp? I am in streatham area and the one which I will be offered could be Dunraven or St Jospeh's
Soupdragon we have a son who was lucky enough to pass all three grammar school exams and no he wasn't tutored heavily (we did some work with him from Spring Term Yr 5), no doesn't attend private primary and is clever but not so much so that he is either geeky or would particularly come across like that - he is just competitive and has no aversion to tests and potentially stressful situations....
Has anyone had a confirmation latter from T following up a phone call? we were rung last sat and still nothing - I'm beginning to wonder whether it ws all a mistake [worried]
On the plus front - interview at W yesterday went well and felt very positive. Fingers crossed.....
if you all have received phone calls then shouldn't that be enough to attend the interview? or would the letter confirm other details?
seeline-it seems most of us have received phone call but no letter-you are not alone. I really dont know how im going to last until mid Feb. Those of you that have had interviews, please tell me you feel a tad better now as there is nothing more to be done? Also, did you meet with the HM or for those that are awaiting interview, are you going to?
I'm not sure I felt better at all with DS1 because, although it was all out of my hands, there was the nagging feeling that they would now be rejecting my child personally. Which isn't reassuring for anyone I guess
WRT not having a letter from Trinity, it is all well signposted up there so turn up 10 minutes before the time you were given and you'll be fine. A word of warning - the big entrance int the building that looks as if it is the main one isn't; it's for the boys. The visitor's one is round the side where the visitor parking is and is much smaller
Thanks SoupDragon-knowledgeable as always
@kravings I live just outside Croydon on way to West Wickham...not great for schools round here
Ah, frankie69 - your closest school wouldn't happen to be the Oasis Academy, would it?
@ stresscity and Soup - thanks for the reassurance. I wouldn't be worried normally but DH took the original call and I am really concerned that he missed the vital detail
@Stress - we too don't know whether to 'volunteer' for the interview with the HM. It's partly why I want the letter - to see exactly how it's worded! Orginally, I couldn't see the point, but having been to the W interview on Friday, I can see that we were able to clarify several points with the Master who spoke to us which I think helped with their assessment of DS, so now wondering whether we ought to request it? Arrgh!!!!
Hi does anyone know when Whitgift send out rejection letters or when the interviews finish?
@caoimhe..no not Oasis but that looked better than my local one!!! AH initials hated it on sight!!!!
@yr6mum all letters are sent 16th Feb to arrive on 17th...fingers crossed for us all
Oh god, frankie, I feel your pain!
What state schools did you apply for? Obviously not your nearest if it is that one!
Hope W come through with good news in Feb.
yr6mum - have you had your interview at W?
We done Shirley High, Hayes, Edenham and Oasis as a complete final result!!!! Yes it is THAT one!!! My husband went there years before it changed its name and that is all they have changed in over 30years!!! Depressing!!!!
If he is put there I am not sending him!!! !!!!
frankies/Caoimhe - I am not familiar with your area, but from the sounds of it looks like your local comp is as bad as my local comp . Just pray for both of our DS's future that W comes.
Some good choices there, frankie!
I give you: Quest Academy, Selsdon.
Thankfully, DS2 is at least guaranteed a place at Riddlesdown if all else fails! He will just need constant prodding to ensure he doesn't coast.
oh dear! so grim and depressing
when all other choices gone Soup, our DS is gonna have to go there it is better than our other local option!!! We are in the catchment area for Hayes so fingers crossed if W and Shirley don't come through!!!
@Caoimhe they are the best we got really so doing what we can...he sat the academic test at Shirley so hopefully as he passed for W then he will have passed that too
But W is ALWAYS gonna be first choice!!!!
no and really no idea of what to do!
yr6mum, have you rung W to see what is happening?? Feel for you this is exactly the position we were in last week with T. Got letter saying no thanks thankfully so all our worries about that are gone. Fingers crossed for you
I think i may call tomorrow. Just worried what i will hear. Has anyone been given information over the phone from W.
no info is given but they will tell you if they have finished contacting peops, you could say you haven't heard and can they check if you should have been sent a letter...worth a try...keeping all crossed for you
@frankies69 Thanks I will call tomorrow. Feel so anxious. Poor son is finding it hard as W is the school he wants.
Oh dear to the Quest Academy too! I'm sure it won't come to that, SoupDragon!!!
Frankie, Shirley is my closest non faith school so I know it well. I know children at Hayes as well - either would be a good choice. Fingers (and toes!) still crossed for W for your Ds, though!
I've been following the nail-biting journey of not only yourselves, but the children at the dcs prep schools. Can I offer some unsolicited advice, being part of the unwritten rules that the prep school parents are briefed on:
In answer to the question should I ask for an interview with the HM, unless you would need a translator, or you are aware that you don't come across well at interview yourself, then the answer would always be yes, take every opportunity to meet and talk to the HM.
In answer to what happens at offer day? It depends on which private schools you have applied too. T & W obviously have 13+ and 12+ entrance. Equally there are other schools in reasonable commuting distance to which you might not have applied in the first instance (eg Dulwich, Reigate Grammar, Royal Russell and Caterham). Both W&T as well as these other schools will often consider late applications (from memory W in particular has a date in the school diary for late entrance exams). In particular if you have a child who passed at least one of the grammars, do make sure that you phone around after offers day. I know one boy who didn't apply to Whitgift until June 9late change of heart by parents) and still got a sports scholarship.
Caoimhe, it won't come to Quest (although I used to threaten DS2 with it) as he passed the academic exam for Riddlesdown and is thus guaranteed a place, regardless of distance.
WRT the HM "chat" at Trinity, I would take it - I wasn't given the option with DS1, it was compulsory and it was a very nice chat. Not at all like an interview. I won't bother this year though as, obviously, I already have DS1 there and it seems a waste of time for all concerned.
Hmmm, can this be true? I heard over the weekend that a DS interviewed on Friday was actually told in the interview that an offer of a place will be made. Can this be true? I do not know the boy, but naturally wish him well but I just cannot imagine W telling parents them in the interview. Mean while, Feb 17th is a long way off for me and I might have to hibernate till then otherwise the stress will do some harm. I have never been through this before and thought getting to the interview stage would be a relief, but this state of limbo is awful. Sorry to rant, no one else to confide in
apologies for typo's, brain and fingers seizing up
Keepingittogether, it is certainly not uncommon for parents of v bright boys (the ones who will get offers, and probably scholarships from all of their schools) to come away from the interview confident of an offer. One of my friends posted on how proud she was of her son's scholarship on FB before the end of Jan (he did get scholarships to both T & W, and frankly this was no surprise as he is top of the class academically as well as a county level sportsman). I don't think that it is the norm however.
@keepingit - we were interviewed on Friday at W by one of the Senior staff (not HM) who told us that, obviously the HM has the final say, but he could see no reason why we wouldn't be offered a place. DH and I were a bit and between us engineered the chat full circle and said that it would be a long month until 16 Feb and he again said that we really had no need to worry. So whilst not actually told we're definitely in, I would be axtremely disappointed if we don't get an offer now. Obviously we haven't told DS in case it still goes horribly wrong.
Thanks to everyone re comments and chats with the HM at T - interesting. I just wish teh blooming letter would arrive so I can see what the actual situation is!!
From what was said in DS2s Whitgift interview I would be extremely surprised if he was not at least offered a place. Actually, I think they said "... and he will get offers from all the schools..." when discussing his exam results.
It is entirely possible that it was not said explicitly but yes, I would imagine it is possible to know your child has definitely got a place in certain circumstances.
I am still following this thread and reliving the stress of the whole process. I am feeling sick, elated and hopeful for you all. I know only too well how the doubts and then that creeping dread of 'maybe he will be rejected after interview' takes over your life between now and offer day. I am posting because I remember just how better I felt once I had my back up plan in place and discussed it with DS. As LadyMuck has said there are schools out there that will still consider applicants and let you know quickly about outcomes. pooziepuzzle if W doesn't come through for you have you considered Ewell Castle? They offer good sports scholarships and accept a wider range of abilities than most.
@Ladymuck & @seeline, many thanks. Just has a chat with a friend whose DS was interviewed last year by Dr B (as we were Friday). She said that those that are borderline see the Dr, which makes sense as our DS was asked a few maths questions and quizzed on a few other points. Friend said that the DS's they really really want normally see Mr B whose job is to sell W to the parents of these pupils. This makes sense as our DS will be borderline, not the best sportsman (but OK), smart but no genius.
So, if you are interviewed by MrB and Dr B, they really want you but you're borderline ?
@all....FINALLY...We received the CALL FROM T! DS called for an interview on Sat morning. We were just about to leave for work, DH took the call, I stood with a gun ove head to ask all the right questions . No mention of a 'letter' in post !
@Soup - They haven't offered the 'chat' with the HM...do you think I should ask for it?
Any help/tips/hints would be greatly appreciated
@keepingit - I know exactly how you feel about hibernating away until 16th - but I will do that after Saturday...
I think the HM is available for a chat if you want one. I don't think you have to book, just ask on the day. As a first time parent I do think you should talk to him though, yes.
I have a friend whose DS is being interviewed on Saturday too - he found out last week.
@soup - thanks for that - They said that the HM is available all day and we can talk to him, however, if you want to meet him then she will have to book an appointment at a later time/date. However, you are right, as 1st time parent, we should ask for the talk with the HM.
He's worth talking to as he is, IMO, wonderful, down to earth and cares about the school and the pupils.
kravings: Awesome! Really SO pleased you got good news after all that anxiety. Good luck to you, and EVERYONE, with interviews in the next 10 days. <where's the icon for a 4-leaved clover when you need one?>
@ PoozieP. so sorry to hear that your son hasn't been contacted either, especially with his sporting ability. my son is a great all rounder but football is his passion. I also feel that it is their loss, and shall be emailing them in 9yrs when he is a premiership player :-) Really inconsiderate to leave the rejection letters until the end, I was under the assumption that they would come out with the interview ones. perhaps they are keeping some options open ie if some of the boys who did well in the exam but not what they were looking for in interview???? am i just clutching :-0
@Frankies69, sorry to hear about T, but as you said, perhaps it takes the pressure off somewhat if your DS loves W, good luck for Feb!
another week of waiting then, if interviewing up to 30th Jan.
am ignoring the postman now after hounding him for 2 weeks, he clearly thinks i'm a maniac.
Kravings-im so please for you!!!!Soup and LadyMuck thanks for your advice. Took DS for sports scholarship this morning-YIKES-gosh there were alot there, and booked an interview already. KeepingitTogether-im right there with you, sick and incredibly anxious! I hope this horrid feeling goes away soon! Well done all on keeping everyones spirits up, as you say DH's have no idea. My DH said he is going to ban me from the laptop!! I threatened no dinner, he soon submitted :-)
@ stress - was that at T? Does DS interview happen today or is that separate? Is your interview with HT separate too? I want this letter to tell me the details!! My DS is not sporty so no info there Hope your DS does well!!
Seeline-yes at T. Interview Wednesday not sure who with but am awaiting phone call to confirm details as i told them that i hadnt received a letter. My message will be passed to Mrs Mayer so awaiting call from her. Thanks for support-Leaving soon to pick him up
All, think I am gonna go off of here for a bit, just to give myself some time to get my sanity back!!.
Every time I read something different my stress levels are going up and I am getting absolutely no work done. Thanks for all your support [flowers] and I wish all yours Ds's luck in their interviews and assessments. I will be back on on 17th Feb with my news hoping for good!!! You are an amazing group of people and I am looking forward to hearing from you all in due course where your Ds's get .
Take care everyone...back soon
Oh well, can't help myself...lasted all of 1 hour
Am going to try and just check in once a day wonder how long that will last
@frankies69 - I have tried not to login but there really is no one else who understands that is the trouble. It must be against the Human Rights Convention to make us wait nearly three weeks and not use modern communication like email and text. Who on earth only relies on post nowadays!! Sure a bright T or W DS could invent an iPhone App - thats an idea
@stresscity - yes, husbands don't understand the stress we go through, my one thinks I am a loon
@frankie - I have tried that - try not to login - but I can't see to keep away, as I feel you all the only group who understand and relate to my anxieties
Even now I can't keep away
to you all you are keeping me sanish .
I just wish the 17th was today and it was all over!!!
What to do with halfterm? Dare I be away when results are posted or would it all be too much?
Just spotted your good news, Kravings - yippee!!!!!!
I am working as normal half term, want to see the letter before Ds so I can be prepared if its not the news we want
Just hope that DS does not get nervous. He has been told to bring in an object to (kick) start the interview . What a long process we have to go through, first the exam, then the interview and finally the agonising wait for the results!!!
Am really interested in this process given historical family connection with W and length of the thread and at the pressure that demographics clearly make.
Ok, naive, but why are parents interviewed now? Mine never were, for DB. I went to W's sister school and parents weren't interviewed there either. What questions do they ask beyond Can you stump up for fees? And does any grammar interview parents? Don't think so. Which indies do? It seems bizarre, though I must be missing a perfectly sensible point.
Another question: how many applicants are there for how many places now at each of W and T? Presumably lots.
I was asked why I thought the school was right for my son and told how wonderful he was. [shrug] I think that pretty much sums it up
Yellowstone, Trinity have had around 800 applicants across 10+, 11+ and 13+ this year.
Yellowstone - the "monitor" at W who escorted us to our interview told as they'd been told in assembly there had been over 1000 applicants this year, more than any other independent school in the country - not sure how W would know they had the most applicants nationwide though if indeed that is the case...
oh, the numbers scare you, the indie sector is almost getting as bad as the grammar sector where it is a norm to have about 1700 applicants for is is about 140 places...what chances are there of getting in??
Just wait for a few more years. Croydon had around 4,500 births in 2001, up to around 5,400 by 2009. No sign of those extra 900 secondary spaces per year...
The super selective stats vary hugely around the country kravings but that seems to be about the norm in London and nearby.
The W website is definitely impressive, I've just looked at it. Interesting to view a school that I knew well as a child from a different perspective.
@Yellowstone. The schools are quick to stress that parents aren't actually interviewed. It's a chance to ask the head about any concerns you may have. My DD is at Old Palace, and there the interviews are held after offers are made. It's a whole lot less stressful.
Yellowstone You went to OP? Small world! I grew up in Croydon (hence why I follow this thread) and lived not far from W. and went to school not far from T.
Although the numbers of applicants are scary, they are generally the same applicants for all schools, give or take a few.
WRT "no sign of those 900 new secondary places" for Croydon, I did v recently read something in the local paper about new schools - in the north of the borough though. I can't remember the details as I wasn't really paying attention. Someone told me that the 2000/2001 birthdate was low though - too many people trying to cram in a millennium baby in the previous school year probably.
You know what, regardless of how we all fair in the coming weeks the FACT is we are all loving parents, wanting the best for our DS's, the amount of effort we put in has resulted in them having a chance at T & W etc and wherever they final end up they will ALL have a better chance in life than the masses of children who travel through the system unguided and left to their own devices. After two hours of meditation I have now developed this coping mechanism see how long it holds up.
Spoke to a lady at T this morning who says that a huge batch of letters re interviews were posted yesterday.... My poor postman will be nervous again this morning!!
We are trying to think of what thing" to take in.
ds2 : My DS?
Me : No
ds2 : Crossbow made of biros?
Me: No! How about a photo of your older brother so you can say I'm like him only even brighter"?
Soupy! We are in a similar position. DS has come up with all sorts but I can just imagine where the conversations are likely to go so we are still thinking too!
If it is any comfort at interview at W I did ask about numbers and was told they have to over offer as obviously a lot of people apply to several schools so I think that once you are at interview you have pretty good odds. I think that is why they are so keen to get a feel for whether you really want the school and are therefore likely to accept a place.
Trinity over offered in DS1s year - they have a bulge class because so many people took up the offers.
oh you guys do make me laugh, what with nervous postmen and converstions like SoupDragon. Mine suggested bringing in our dog. He said they will definitely offer him a place there and then ( We have a Doberman!!) I received letter from postie 10 mins ago confirming interview tomorrow. It also stated there will be a parent there to answer any questions. Interview tomorrow so big glass of vino tonight ( for me that is ). Actually, may have to start lunch time!!!
Wow I have managed to stay off for a whole morning .... Good luck wiv your T interviews all....I have decided to just relax and what will happen will happen
"...whatever will be, will be..."
KeepintIt - hear hear!
Frankie - admit it, you can't keep away
Soupy/Seeline/Stresscity- Yes, we are in a dilemma as to what to take to T. @Soupy, I love your idea of the photo , I suppose, the reason they have asked us to take an 'object' is to guage our DSs personality ,
Soupy I am that you have your 2 in the correct birth order. Would it be going too far to change ds2's surname in order for him not to be associated with his brother in 2 years time?!
Arrgggh - no post at all today. I am going to go slowly round the bend.....
Kravings, the "object" is purely for use as an ice breaker if necessary. It gives the boy something they know they can talk about. Which isn't to say that I will be letting DS2 take in something he's made from the "mini weapons of mass destruction" book he got for Christmas.
Ladymuck, I did indeed have my two boys in the right birth order. Not least because ds2 would probably have been an only child had he been first It's not entirely without cause that DD is 5 years younger then him! Seriously though, he is, I think, perhaps brighter than DS1 but my god it comes with a huge flip side - he is also more defiant, more full of life and more challenging all over.
Seeline, I did get my letter today for interview tomorrow - to paraphrase:
* 20 minute interview but could be there for up to 40 minutes
* current parent present to answer questions
serve tea and biscuits
* If you want to make an individual appoint.. to see the HM he will be happy to meet you either on interview day or a later date incl evenings and saturdays
* bring something which might be useful as a topic of conversation to begin the interview - trophy/souvenir/small bit of work/
large cash bribe It won't be assessed and they would like to stress that your son shouldn't feel the need to produce something especially for interview.
WRT birth order, I have gone in first with DS1 to lull them with a false sense of security (bright, bidabble, generally calm and lovely) before hitting them with the pent up volcano that is DS2. They'll love him.
Alas my two are the other way round. Really not sure if ds2 will appreciate his brother's reputation in years to come....
Oh, I had that kind of reputation to live down from my 2 older brothers. It means you always come as a pleasant surprise to teachers so it's not so bad!
@soupy - your DS1/DS2 sound just like my two - the older one is a role model while the younger one (2 yrs younger) is a force-to-be-reckoned-with! Everyone keeps on telling me that I will not have any problems putting him through 11+ process , full of confidence with an elephants memory!
Thanks for the abridged version SoupDragon - I was getting convinced that they had withheld something vital in our telephone conversation Paranoia on top of everything else now (and I don't think I can even spell it right!!)
Good luck at your interview tomorrow -
I've DS has to wait until Saturday.
seeline - our interview is on Sat as well - good luck, see you there
I'm trying not to log in but have to admit that I'm still reading, daily, well actually hourly! A huge thank you to all on here who are posting, it's helping to keep me sane and making me chuckle, so comforting to know that we are all in the same boat. I sincerely wish the best outcomes for all of us. If the worst comes to the worst perhaps we could set up our own school!!??
@all of you posting...very funny comments as I'm feeling all similar sentiments re interviews and prickly sons! Had W interview last week and T on Saturday so I will be giving you a nod and a wink Kremlin-stylie over a cuppa...watch out!!
@beanie....must admit I am doing the same, hourly checks ..... most of the W stuff has finished now cos I think most of us have had interviews .... its the T interviews now and unfortunately we didn't get that one never mind hey
beanie34 - oh, I love the idea of a school of our own. Imagine the force of its PTA ...we could be the best run school in the country