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Sleepy Sootikins no 5

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KittyAndTheFontanelles Fri 10-May-13 10:27:24

Shall I start it as I finished the last? I bet no-one sees my last postsad grin

Can someone link for me please? I can't on my phone.

SummerDad Fri 10-May-13 10:37:57
SummerDad Fri 10-May-13 10:38:49

What is sootikins by the way smile

KittyAndTheFontanelles Fri 10-May-13 10:57:26

Er, ask themidwife hmm

It's anatomical blush

Cafe will draw you a pictureconfused

themidwife Fri 10-May-13 14:19:50

Oh Dad - just google it <runs to hide>

But otherwise yes Cafe's friend can draw it from memory!! gringringringrin

themidwife Fri 10-May-13 14:21:02

By the way, you do realise visitors must think we are completely bonkers!!

Minimammoth Fri 10-May-13 15:51:35

I think sootikins has got a friend called Sweepikins.

KittyAndTheFontanelles Fri 10-May-13 15:53:36

I knowgrin But we are really quite sane confused

KittyAndTheFontanelles Fri 10-May-13 15:54:58

grin mini and sue-sikins keeps them both in order

SummerDad Fri 10-May-13 15:59:05

My sixth sense telling me not to google it, hmmmmm!

themidwife Fri 10-May-13 17:37:08

It's educational Dad - you'll learn a lot about history if you do!! wink

KittyAndTheFontanelles Fri 10-May-13 18:00:20

and derty chuffs....wink

SummerDad Fri 10-May-13 18:02:48

confused shall I google it, shall I google it NOT ...

KittyAndTheFontanelles Fri 10-May-13 18:09:16

do it! grin

SummerDad Fri 10-May-13 18:14:30

Kitty can you give me some hint please, it is tough not to search for it, arrrrrgh smile

KittyAndTheFontanelles Fri 10-May-13 18:20:24

It's a condition which the less genteel females used to suffer from when knickers were scarce, bathing was scarcer and soot and dirt was in abundance shock

SummerDad Fri 10-May-13 18:28:54

blush thank God I did not google that, you are my saviour kitty smile

themidwife Fri 10-May-13 18:47:46

It kept the church wardens busy with their brooms in the rear pews!

MrsShrek3 Fri 10-May-13 18:55:45

pmsl @ thread title grin

themidwife Fri 10-May-13 19:05:09


KittyAndTheFontanelles Fri 10-May-13 19:06:28

Anytime, dad smile

Hi Mrs grin. I thought it might be easy to spot.

Ew, themidwife, that is horrible confused

Minimammoth Fri 10-May-13 19:29:08

My eyes are crossing and I am losing coherence, and that's just from sitting at the keyboard all day and not obeying the law. Have rests every 20 mins....pah.
It's GnT time. Oh no it's question of sport... Am sport duffer.

KittyAndTheFontanelles Fri 10-May-13 19:52:22

Hmmm, GnT grin

A question of sport? You lost me there mini

Naughty mini, give those peepers a massagesad

MrsShrek3 Fri 10-May-13 20:01:06

kitty, yes I saw your last post on t'other thread and tried to post a reply blush

ds1 doesn't have parties, in fact he prefers to do family stuff (aww) and it has to be on the exact day obv, when you're an aspie grin one year we joined up with a friend for a January party.
dd often gets a summer bash and ds2 usually gets his mates round too, they are only two years apart and have a lot of friends with sibs in same classes iyswim. So we end up with a load of siblings round, one from each dcs class as they seem to share friendsip groups! ds2 is the child with the insane social life and couldn't fit in a Royal Birthday as well as his actual one grin So all are happy!

how are we all this evening? And should I inbox anyone [does head count]

KittyAndTheFontanelles Fri 10-May-13 20:45:34

Thanks Mrs smile I'm sure it will be fine. grin. I'm a bit fixated on it at the moment but I'm sure that will melt away after the scan grin

Stars, bluey, jynier, bears Harriet, cafe are all still to find us I think. I'll get messaging...

KittyAndTheFontanelles Fri 10-May-13 20:56:30

Ok done. Have I missed anyone? hmm

Treads careful onto thread am wearing flipflops and dont want any sootikins stuck in my toes ewwwwww grin

Thankyou kitty for message [smiles]

WouldBeHarrietVane Fri 10-May-13 21:03:16

Thank you Kitty smile

Hello all, Harriet Vane signing in. It's a hard life being pursued by a filthy rich and discerning lord while trying to create detective fiction, but I have managed to find time to rejoin the merry throng smile

KittyAndTheFontanelles Fri 10-May-13 21:17:10

So glad you did, Ms Vane grin It simply wouldn't be sootikins without you.

<hands Harriet a whisky sour>

Stars, what an unfortunate choice of footwear shock

<hands stars a pair of wellies>

Minimammoth Fri 10-May-13 21:18:16

I am several GnTs down the line, popped down to a friends place and was presented with a pint glassshock. Well you have to be polite don't you. I am supposed to be staying sane and preparing for my working weekend. Ah well, best laid plans and all that.

Hops franticly around trying to put wellies on

squeezes fat calfs into wellies

Oohhh the wellies has stars on aww thankyou Kitty

Oh yes mini you have to be polite i guess you will be sleeping tonight then

^ hands mini a bucket just incase^

WouldBeHarrietVane Fri 10-May-13 21:26:50

Stars you should wear glass slippers like cinderella... Did you see what I did there? smile

KittyAndTheFontanelles Fri 10-May-13 21:30:55

Ha ha mini's pished and it's only 9.30. Nice one mini grin

Glad you like them, stars; specially chosen for you smile

Hehehe harriet oh lord dp has charge of the tv remote and is watching the NEW Eddie storborts i know dp is a hgv driver ( when he got work) but god i loath this prog even Duck Commader or Moonshiners is better than this sigh

WouldBeHarrietVane Fri 10-May-13 21:49:56

Poor you stars smile my DH likes to watch snooker and started telling me snooker stats tonight!!

KittyAndTheFontanelles Fri 10-May-13 21:51:50

Stars I didn't understand a word I'd that. grin

I imagine they are all television programs confused


MrsShrek3 Fri 10-May-13 21:57:29

very pleased to hear several of us are getting pished wine I've got Ruby Port maltesers and dd. [NB I'm not planning to eat dd yet even though she is so sweet (aww) wine makes me silly btw] I have soooo much work to do and had an inspection today so Im doing absolutely nothing [except wine obv]

MrsShrek3 Fri 10-May-13 21:59:23

ohhh noooo not the Eddie programme shock shock Ds1 addicted. trainspotting meets HGV hmm pure geekery


Ohh harriet not snooker im luckly dp doesnt 'do' sport but sadly likes crap/wired american reality tv programs we both dont 'do' soaps so thats a plus

Yes kitty tv progs

Its finished now so we watching NCIS grin

KittyAndTheFontanelles Fri 10-May-13 22:03:13

I want ruby port Maltesers envy grin

How was the inspection?

KittyAndTheFontanelles Fri 10-May-13 22:04:10

Ooh I know like ncis grin

Mrs Shrek its worst as dp has driven as angency for eddie and when the drivers talk about stats and roads etc dp goes into overdrive (no pun intended)

WouldBeHarrietVane Fri 10-May-13 22:23:30

Good that he likes his job, stars smile

MrsShrek3 Fri 10-May-13 22:25:40

shock blimey. Driver geekery a whole new level don't tell my GeekShrek for which you must deserve earplugswink (or a large wine )
aww can have virtual port wink so here wine

<high fives mini>

MrsShrek3 Fri 10-May-13 22:26:09

oooh Harriet. get some wine

KittyAndTheFontanelles Fri 10-May-13 22:27:46

Thanks, Mrs grin

Slurpy. wine wine wine

jynier Fri 10-May-13 22:43:18

clairecoo posted on another thread this a.m. about sexual abuse. I did respond and signed the petition. She had another post this evening at 10:52:48 repeating her story and quoting her site "Positive Changes For Abuse Victims." I don't know how to share it but am convinced that one of you brainy lot will be able to do it (if you're interested, of course). She needs 100,000 signatures.

Yep he loves his job working nights on his own no managers yapping except despatch manager at the depots royal mail have many managers then sits in his truck listing to radio 2 or sits at tge depot playing angry birds on his phone when his run has been canclled onrues he did a 8 hour shift and drove for a whole 1 km !!! Rest of time he was on sofa in rest room ok i stop typing now grin

onrues = on tues

jynier Fri 10-May-13 22:55:19

Have just invited "clairecoo" to post on here; WTF is she gonna think??? Hide your drinks, ladies, and act sober if she arrives!!!

P.S. Hope that you're all ok!!!

jynier Fri 10-May-13 23:09:41

sorry, mixed up asterisks with quotation marks again. Anyway, clairecoo is not here ... as you were!

themidwife Fri 10-May-13 23:14:41

Arrived just in time - on train from big kitty type city to hippy hills vicinity after soothing red wine & pasta comfort food. You're all trollied!! gringrin

themidwife Fri 10-May-13 23:17:04

Can I get my drink and my sootikins back out now Jynier?!

jynier Fri 10-May-13 23:35:26

Oh, good grief!!! themidwife - yes ... and ... no!

Seriously, folks; don't know how to share clairecoo and her amazing campaign; found it on FB this a.m. which is where I signed and shared!

Won't be with you tonight as have to be up early tomorrow; have a peaceful (and, hopefully, funny) time together!

themidwife Fri 10-May-13 23:44:52

I am also working in the morning & will have to stop being thewino & start bring themidwife in a very professional & most reassuring manner (no tattoos or toe rings or Indian trousers allowed --too late--)
<hurriedly checks off duty to see if starchy team leader on tomorrow> grin

MrsShrek3 Fri 10-May-13 23:47:25

Phew, can come back out with my wine grin
Been watching Hugh Laurie, Olivia Coleman and Suralan all on Graham Norton. Brilliant!

MrsShrek3 Fri 10-May-13 23:48:13

Erm, thewinomidwife? wink

themidwife Fri 10-May-13 23:51:07

Oooh I've recorded that Mrs! Can't wait - big crush on Hugh!!

MrsShrek3 Fri 10-May-13 23:53:08

He sang too wink

themidwife Sat 11-May-13 00:11:12

Corr blimey my ideal man! wink

jynier Sat 11-May-13 00:57:54

Grrr! Am not tired and really need to get to bed in order to be up early tomorrow!

I watched Graham Norton's show, too! Always listen to him on R2 on Saturday mornings - absolutely hilarious!

Hugh Laurie had a documentary on ITV last Sunday night (5th May) entitled "Perspectives" in which he explained his love of the blues. Think that his idol was Professor Longhair.

Rambling ... forgive me!

cafecito Sat 11-May-13 03:25:00

marking my insomniac place..

cafecito Sat 11-May-13 03:26:33

thanks for message Kitty smile

I was so tired earlier I had 6 coffees and now cannot sleep. I have to be up at 7am hmm


cafecito Sat 11-May-13 03:28:43

I've done something awful. I joined twitter. why did I do this confused I have no time for such things. I am confused by it. Yes I will take on the challenge to draw a sootikin grin

working tomorrow, dreading it.. arf...

bluey yeay for good news and hahaha at DS pants!

MrsShrek3 Sat 11-May-13 05:48:04

oh not twitter ...they talk a whole different (@hashtag) lingo in there and I don't understand it. confused impressive if you understand a word they say. Me, I need spaces between my words grin
jynier i saw the programme too smile fascinating stuff. music and what motivates it is right up my street.
anyone around?

MrsShrek3 Sat 11-May-13 05:58:39

kitty, just seen your most about vintage clothes grin

MrsShrek3 Sat 11-May-13 05:59:10

post... not most (bloody auto incorrect again)

WouldBeHarrietVane Sat 11-May-13 07:13:44

Lurvely Hugh Laurie is my hero too. If Peter Whimsey falls through I may take up with him!

Awoken by mini H well over an hour ago and he is now galloping all over the upstairs, setting off musical toys and bringing things in to show me while I lie here nursing my cold.

Mw if I was looked after by you in labour I would love to chat about hills, vino and so on. In my labour with DS we talked to my first mw all about her son who had just got an amazing degree result and my second shift mw told us all about her stbxh affair with a teen. Dh tells me i was giving sage advice while high on g and a dread-/ --to think what grin I think patients prefer human to starchy myself!

KittyAndTheFontanelles Sat 11-May-13 09:06:26

Morning all grin

We had a brief 5ish wake but a good night otherwise. Of course by then I'd had 6 hours sleep so found it difficult to get back off again. We looked at pictures of how big littlelittlekitty is on google images. smile

I really want thewino for my midwife; tattoos, cheese cloth and toe rings, proper hippy!

Mrs I saw your post too grin. I'll let you wear mine if I can swish about in yours grin

Oh, cafe shock Not a shitter account confused I don't understand it either. What's with this hashtag nonesense? I really don't care get it.

Harriet, little H bringing things to show you, how lovely smile

I also loved bluey's pants story. I wonder if she's fished them out yet?

Sorry jynier, I'm not on facebook and font know your Clairecoo.

What are people's plans this weekend?

We've got a party in the hills today and an art show at my friend's commune community tomorrow. Lovely

MrsShrek3 Sat 11-May-13 09:09:04


KittyAndTheFontanelles Sat 11-May-13 10:05:02

What's with this nonesense nonsense?! grin

Afternoon i was up at 5:30am in the supermarket for 6 doing weekly shop ots was a big shop beacause was running out stuff glares at dp cos he only likes proper pop got home packed it all away mumsnetted for a bit then fell asleep

Just up now got friends visting for dinner so have to tidy flat and cook

Just got a text from friend she doesnt eat eat pork ie roast dinner so meal change so off to supermarket to get right wine and a different meat for a different meal

So now having Italian beef stew with mash and veg.

I have a twitter account but only use to get info on the m6 -- carpark-- and trains and a few celebs i may snoop on dd1s account to find out whats shes up too. So far shes got drunk, gone to work in a nightclub, and got a speeding ticket

Ohh yes need midwife to be 100% hippy

BlueyDragon Sat 11-May-13 14:19:04

I'm here I'm here! Thanks kitty for the PM.

DH and I were getting very quietly trollied last night but skipped all the TV and watched Argo instead. It's really good! Now we are off to see the new Star Trek - it's film week in the dragon cave.

DS's pants have gone, never to be seen again and I am not fishing them out! Talking of grimness, did anyone see the worm thread? Eeeeewwwww (in _Chat I think, can't link as I'm on my phone, but you'll never eat spaghetti again).

Gutted I missed the party again sad. Must try harder.

themidwife Sat 11-May-13 14:29:57

I'm working today but took a chance to book a sneaky groupon massage at lunchtime it's ok can shovel food down while driving Now that's what I call a lunch break! smile

Minimammoth Sat 11-May-13 19:21:20

Have been working today too. Been fed, now relaxing. Groupon massage Midwife?? Best not have GnT today, being good. Perhaps we should host a hippy party and everyone can add 'ikins' to their name in deference to thread title. Minikins.

KittyAndTheFontanelles Sat 11-May-13 19:34:37

kittikins confused

We sound so cute minikins grin

themidwife Sat 11-May-13 19:35:57

Bought a massage through Groupon - £12! I can't drink either as on call so delighted to join in virtually!

themidwife Sat 11-May-13 19:36:50

Or winokins? wink

WouldBeHarrietVane Sat 11-May-13 19:55:23

Harrikins and LittleHarrikins reporting for duty.

We had a good Sat at Vane Towers! LH had jelly for the first time today - was so sweet to see the surprise on his face when it wobbled grin

Minimammoth Sat 11-May-13 20:09:39

Btw, DH another NCIS addict, he thinks he is Gibbs. We now watching back to back past episodes.

Minimammoth Sat 11-May-13 20:10:26

I love jelly

BlueyDragon Sat 11-May-13 20:37:34


BlueyDragon Sat 11-May-13 20:38:03

New Star Trek movie is ace btw

WouldBeHarrietVane Sat 11-May-13 20:40:12

Bluey after your DS's funny pant antics you could be undikins!!

themidwife Sat 11-May-13 21:07:55

And where's our little poppet Daddikins?! gringrin

themidwife Sat 11-May-13 21:08:43

Minikins that has to be the comment of the year so far!

I love jelly


themidwife Sat 11-May-13 21:09:09

And what is NCIS?

MrsShrek3 Sat 11-May-13 21:56:18

shrekikins doesn't quite have the same cute ring as the rest of youhmm

massage? wink hmm.

themidwife Sat 11-May-13 22:36:31

Lol - maybe Mrskins - oh hang on that sounds like Mr Skins! gringrin

WouldBeHarrietVane Sat 11-May-13 23:43:58

Right, trying to go to sleep now, with mini H accidentally kneeing me lovingly in his sleep grin

Am really grumpy due to having a horrible cold and DH has it too so has gone to bed really early envy

MrsShrek3 Sun 12-May-13 00:55:58

sleep well, Haarriet.

TheMw - as in short for, umm, foreskins? grin shock

praps not then

jynier Sun 12-May-13 01:09:24

Was unable to log in for some time tonight.

Had a great day with my family but, sadly, back to reality now.

Sending best wishes to you all, x

BearsInMotion Sun 12-May-13 06:39:18

Checking in grin

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 12-May-13 07:27:09

Morning all smile

themidwife Sun 12-May-13 07:46:14

Morning! I woke at 515 - why?!!!!!!

KittyAndTheFontanelles Sun 12-May-13 08:12:48

I'm exhausted. sad Been up half the night with littlekitty. Didn't post because she was sleepily feeding on me for hours and texting disturbs her. she's gone off again. so hoping for another hour

BearsInMotion Sun 12-May-13 08:46:41

Know the feeling kitty. sad Was out with DP yesterday, who was telling our friends what a good sleeper DD is as "she only wakes once a night" hmm He must sleep through at least 3 wakings and doesn't notice when she's feeding for an hour at a time!

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 12-May-13 08:54:25

Bears and kitty, I feel your pain!

sad kitty that you didn't get much sleep. Definitely have lots of biscuitbiscuitbiscuit and brew today to make up for it!

BlueyDragon Sun 12-May-13 08:57:52

Lots of brew for bears and kitty.

Harriet, I did a proper snort at undikins!

KittyAndTheFontanelles Sun 12-May-13 09:01:19

Thanks you two. smile

Trekking out deep into the shire today for an art show at my friend's houde. It will lovely but I really need to just curl up. Mr kitty isn't available to help either as he's got to work this morning.

Ha ha bears that's classic grin

KittyAndTheFontanelles Sun 12-May-13 09:01:52

undikins grin

KittyAndTheFontanelles Sun 12-May-13 09:36:12

oh craps sad littlekitty has just eaten an undetermined amount of sudocreme while I was out of the room shock We hardly ever use the blasted stuff angry

Should I be worried? sad A&E?

Cafe, themidwife. professional opinions?

Everyone else, parenting opinions?

She looked Like a baby Santa.

I walked in and she said "oh-oh"

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 12-May-13 09:46:45

I would call 111 just to be sure.

This thread is helpful:

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 12-May-13 09:47:57

Wanted to post quickly just to give you the info, but posting again to send hugs - I'm sure it will all be fine.


KittyAndTheFontanelles Sun 12-May-13 09:59:29

Thanks Harriet smile

I will do. She seems absolutely fine.

clairecoo Sun 12-May-13 10:09:58

Hello everyone!

I've been directed here by jynier who said I should share my previous post on here.

I'm just trying to drum up some support and ideas. Any will be very gratefully received. smile

KittyAndTheFontanelles Sun 12-May-13 10:51:47

Harriet, thank you for your support smile an update for you...

111 were very speedy and have given her the all clear. A totally inert substance by all accounts. She said she might have some sloppy ploppies though.

The irony is that that is the only time we use sudocrem - on the few occasions that she's loose so a bit redconfused Otherwise, because of the washable nappies, she never gets nappy rash.

Hi Clairecoo I'll check out your post when I've got time later.

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 12-May-13 11:04:07

Oh brilliant Kitty - I have been wondering but was pretty sure it wasn't really dangerous! What a relief for you smile

This parenting lark can be v scary, can't it sad I once thought DS had eaten a small metal spike - I can remember how my heart pounded but then luckily I found it stuck in the floor.

I bet you are full of adrenalin now!

BearsInMotion Sun 12-May-13 11:07:01

Oh dear minikitty! Glad she's ok though smile. Babybear hasn't done this yet, but it's only a mattercof time, by all accounts! Interested in what you said about nappy rash though, Babybear has washable nappies and still gets quite bad nappy rash confused

KittyAndTheFontanelles Sun 12-May-13 11:19:24

Oh really, bears? which do you use? We use wee pickles in the day and close parent at night. This pot of sudo is the original one we were given when she was born 18 months ago grin

God Harriet that must have been an awful shock sad

themidwife Sun 12-May-13 11:42:39

Hello! Sorry been busy working!
Don't worry Kitty - all baby lotions & potions are designed to be safe to be consumed - when you think of the contamination in infant formula a bit of sudocreme isn't going to hurt her!
I'm loving the "uh oh!" smile

Harriet - yes metal spikes def more terrifying. I know what you mean about the thud thud of your heart! Like when I left the cot side down with DS2 & he fell out head first onto a hard floor! blushblushblush

BearsInMotion Sun 12-May-13 14:26:24

We're on the Tots Bots easy fit here!

themidwife Sun 12-May-13 15:03:08

I got on really well with bamboozles smile

BearsInMotion Sun 12-May-13 15:33:23

She's ok 90% of the time,but has had a couple of really nasty spells, blistering and all sorts sad She had thrush cream and it went away eventually. It was just after she started nursery, so I wondered if they used a different cream or didn't change her enough (we do have to change her more often than if she was in disposables I think!).

KittyAndTheFontanelles Sun 12-May-13 17:55:58

Gosh that sounds awful, bears sad The blistering I mean.

I definitely change more often than my disposable friends. I think they take this as a sign that the disposables are superior. I personally hate the look of a totally soaked, sagging wee, drenched nappy so I would probably change more frequently either way smile

Yay themidwife grin.

What do you mean contaminants in formula shock

Spoke to my friend about the community you are interested in; he said it requires a large stake of cashiche to get in, is this right? Doesn't sound very communard to me? Any news on that?

clairecoo Sun 12-May-13 18:06:02

Thanks Kitty, it's much appreciated.

themidwife Sun 12-May-13 18:54:24

You buy your own property within the community at the current market value. They have properties of all sizes. Everyone has their own front door. It's not communal living, it's having a share of the organic farm & it's produce & the gorgeous surroundings. There are some communal things like saturday pot luck supper & bonfire night & christmas but otherwise everyone does their own thing. You have to commit to working on the farm a few hours a week either practically or administratively. You can sell your property if you wish to move any time to someone on the waiting list. We have been invited to a visitors weekend in September. Slooooowww process!!

themidwife Sun 12-May-13 18:59:38

Infant formula is at high risk of contamination either accidentally or by evil nutters. Most people don't make it properly (water too cold) so bacteria grows at an alarming rate once opened (usually from dirty hands). shock

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 12-May-13 19:00:23

Link on contaminants here, Kitty:

KittyAndTheFontanelles Sun 12-May-13 20:07:42

Blimey, having never used formula, Littlebittykitty being a total boob monster wink , I had no idea about formula contaminants. I'm well aware of the nestle babymilk campaign though and as a consequence have boycotted nestle and all its associated products since eve was a lass grin

Thank you for the link, Harriet. I shall delve deeper when littlekitty is asleep.

I've eaten far too much today and look 8 months rather than 8 weeks pregnant blush

Littlekitty had such a great day running all over her Gobfather's mansion. He taught her to do his signature 'robot dance' grin

themidwife Sun 12-May-13 20:15:39

Sounds a great day Kitty! I was a baby milk action campaigner in the early 90s Pre midwifery. Not much has changed sadly. They just advertise follow on milk instead sad

BearsInMotion Sun 12-May-13 20:17:42

Wow. Didn't expect formula bashing on this thread. Leaving now. sad

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 12-May-13 20:19:52

Oh there really are a lot of synergies on this thread, midwife and kitty!! I've also been boycotting Nestlé since student days and am still involved in bf promotion - won't say exactly what in case it outs me. Little H is exactly the same as LilKitty, Kitty grin

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 12-May-13 20:22:26

Bears sad you are upset.

No intention of ff bashing here - I totally respect every woman's right to feed as she chooses. But companies need to make formula as safe as possible and stop advertising formula in a way that undermines bf. Iirc the boycott is mainly about the way ff is promoted to women in developing countries.

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 12-May-13 20:24:04

Bears please don't go - this is such a lovely community and no one meant any offence at all sad

themidwife Sun 12-May-13 20:44:02

No there's a difference between formula bashing & wanting it to be safe to use Bears. I have 4 children & only 1 of them was breast fed for any decent length of time. It's about making it an informed choice & not an advertising campaign. That's all!

KittyAndTheFontanelles Sun 12-May-13 21:02:46

Oh bears, how crass of me. That really wasn't my intention at all.

I've sent you a private message, I hope you don't mind thanks

themidwife Sun 12-May-13 21:17:23

Oh dear - it's an emotive subject I know sad

Sorry if you are offended by this debate Bears confused

jynier Sun 12-May-13 23:08:21

Bears may come back; I used to donate BM to prem baby unit (years ago, obviously!) until I was told that I would have to present it in person; hospital was too far away so said no. Sad, as breast milk was always considered best for babies in intensive care. Does this still go on with BM donors? Curious!

jynier Sun 12-May-13 23:39:19

Sorry, everyone; my mind is all over the place atm! It's because I will be seeing DD1 soon for the first time in 2 1/2 years and my GD2 for the first time ever (she is over a year old now)!

Did any of you respond to Clarecoo's post at 10:09:58? It seems that she is extremely disheartened!

AmFuckedCanSeeNoWayOut Sun 12-May-13 23:49:36
SummerDad Sun 12-May-13 23:51:31

Hello Am..

I am here and I am sure other nocturnal creatures will be here for you too in no time. I was already reading your thread, you have been going through a very very hard time I dont have words to admire your courage and spirit.

AmFuckedCanSeeNoWayOut Mon 13-May-13 00:00:58


SummerDad Mon 13-May-13 00:03:41

Am would you like to talk about something specific ...

WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 13-May-13 00:07:02

Jynier, I don't know, but my milk was rejected when I offered it, due to my various health problems, which did make me worry about whether it was alright for DS! They said it was, but just not idea for the prem babies that need donor milk most. Thank you for asking Claire to post here.

Claire, I am so very very sorry to read about what your and you have been through sad I am also so sorry that she was so let down by the system. Is it worth speaking to an organisation like Rape Crisis to see if they have ideas for how you can take this forward?

WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 13-May-13 00:09:27

Am, I am here, virtually alongside Summerdad. I have also just read your thread and am sending you lots of very un MN hugs. I used to be a so called high flier myself, so totally understand how to the rest of the world one can look very sorted while actually feeling anything but. The strength that got you that high powered career will get you through even this darkest of times, though.


WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 13-May-13 00:12:45

Am, I just wanted to add that you will never be alone on MN - someone is always asleep and here is a good place to try. I know a lovely children's lullaby, which goes:

Sleep gently now
Nothing to fear
Sleep little one
I will be near
All through the night
I will be there for you
Although the dark night
I will be here

Although it might sound cheesy, MN always makes me think of that song, because someone is always always there for you.

WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 13-May-13 00:13:27

Sorry, am tired and my post makes no sense - meant someone is always awake blush

SummerDad Mon 13-May-13 00:17:24

Hi Harriet, good to know that someone more sensible than me is here to be with Am.

Am reading your thread, I felt my heart literally sinking. But, I would reiterate what harriet said you wont be alone here on MN and it is a great place for support.

SummerDad Mon 13-May-13 00:20:21

Very true harriet someone on MN is always there for you smile. Last Christmas season, was very isolating and dark time for me and the kind souls on MN did really help despite me being a man and see I am now a permanent liability smile.

WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 13-May-13 00:20:59

You became an addict Dad!!

WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 13-May-13 00:21:28

I'm totally addicted to now blush

jynier Mon 13-May-13 00:23:17

Hi, Dad! Think that Am has taken medication so may not be back for a while ...

Am so sad about the way people treat each other, especially as every meaningful relationship starts out with happiness and love.

WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 13-May-13 00:23:56

I am falling asleep now, but people on here will be awake on and off if you need us Am. Please do call the Samaritans if you need a RL chat to someone.


SummerDad Mon 13-May-13 00:38:17

yes harriet you are right I am really addicted to it. Still, there are some days when I need some sincere company smile.

Hi jynier how are you doing, I sent you a pm earlier did not want to disturb the momentum of the thread, a lot to catch up still smile

SummerDad Mon 13-May-13 00:39:14

sweet dreams harriet smile

AmFuckedCanSeeNoWayOut Mon 13-May-13 01:12:20

Meds not worked, but thank you all for thinking of me - it helps. Going to try eat now.

Thank youthanks x

jynier Mon 13-May-13 01:39:37

Best wishes to all of you who are troubled!

Am - didn't even think to ask if you are in the UK! Are you?

Hunger is quite good and a step forward; what did you have to eat?

jynier Mon 13-May-13 02:30:00

am - May be helpful for you if you see the posts of drfayray. She is an inspiration to all of us!

themidwife Mon 13-May-13 07:03:24

Yes I signed the petition & shared it on Facebook Claire! Good luck with it!

themidwife Mon 13-May-13 07:10:50

Am, have just read your thread. I'm so so sorry. The phrase from that song everybody hurts by REM keeps going through my head.
"Hold on, just hold on" until something changes or improves. Whereabouts are you? thanks

Minimammoth Mon 13-May-13 16:57:34

It's all a bit fraught here. FIL has fallen and broken hip. He's 95. sad
Cat is def. worse.
Sorry we have lost Bears.
Thinking of you AFCSNWO, flowers don't know how else to help.

themidwife Mon 13-May-13 17:37:27

Hugs Mini!! thanksthanks

SummerDad Mon 13-May-13 19:41:24

I would also like to say hugs to Mini but that's not appropriate I guess grin

On a serious note though, I wish every one here the best smile

Jynier, looks like my private messaging is not working or may be they have disabled it, I would be surprised if that's the case though. I don't think I have stalked many women here grin.

Can someone please volunteer to check if my pm is working? smile

Minimammoth Mon 13-May-13 19:55:21

Hugs gratefully received dadsmile and Midwife. I have been trying to sort out work cover so that we old have a few days hols at a friends caravan, but not sure whether that will happen now. Ah well, I am trusting that all will somehow work out. Still tired here but sleep somehow not refreshing. Am trying a nightcap again tonight. <head stuffed in cupboard searching out that single malt....sniff sniff>

themidwife Mon 13-May-13 20:09:23

Hope the single malt helps Mini! if only I still had a snifter of that Port Ellen left you would be welcome!

I am just about to install my Paul McKenna hypnotic gastric band! I've read the book, watched the havening DVD, just about to listen to the 2 CDs. Have been emotionally eating & getting bigger - time to take control!!!
Wish me luck!

Minimammoth Mon 13-May-13 20:12:43

Go midwife go. Keep us posted. I would love to lose a stone.

SummerDad Mon 13-May-13 20:15:47

Good luck midwife smile

Did you find the single malt Mini smile

SummerDad Mon 13-May-13 20:16:51

Good luck midwife smile

Did you find the single malt Mini smile

SummerDad Mon 13-May-13 20:17:30

Hi Mini just sent you a pm to test my pm working, could you please reply if you get this.

Minimammoth Mon 13-May-13 20:52:42

I rooted in the cupboard and found the dregs of a Laphroaig. Well you just have to finish the bottle it's tidier.

WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 13-May-13 21:01:54

Omg I think this thread title has had unintended consequences. Tonight while cooking dinner I realised mini H had gone very quiet and found he had crawled into the fireplace and was eating handfuls of soot - when I found him his mouth was black shock

themidwife Mon 13-May-13 21:04:00

Well it's "in" - oooo errrr!

It was weird actually - during the trance part of the cd when the hypnotic band was being fitted around my stomach I actually felt a physical tightening!

themidwife Mon 13-May-13 21:05:09

gringrin Harriet! Literally littlesootikins!!

WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 13-May-13 21:05:44

Ooh the midwife, it's like hypno birthing almost, isn't it!

themidwife Mon 13-May-13 21:12:56

Yes I guess - although I must admit the only hypno births I've attended haven't really worked for the women as well as they'd hoped but I think that's because they were first timers & didn't really know what they were up against in terms of what contractions really feel like perhaps?

Minimammoth Mon 13-May-13 21:14:21

Woooo Midwifikins..... Weight falling off.
Harrietshock still it must be good for the digestion, or is that charcoal?

WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 13-May-13 21:30:27

Well that was what my mother said about the charcoal, mini!

Midwife, I know what you mean - I think telling women it's not going to hurt and is just 'pressure' is unhelpful. I used yoga breathing techniques and walking during contractions up to 6 cm, then the pool and then g&a in the pool from about 7 cm and had a note in my birth plan saying I was open minded on pain relief, but asked my mw not to offer it. As a result I made it through augmentation on the drip without anything other than g&a. It really helped me expecting it to hurt quite a lot but be manageable - my mother had lots of pain relief with me but a natural birth with my DSis and she briefed me on what to expect! DS was also well positioned which helped.

themidwife Mon 13-May-13 21:45:54

Yes the women are told that they will have "surges" not painful contractions & when they get into established labour they have quite a shock shock They have all said to me afterwards - bollox to that it
f-ing hurts!
Being open minded, having confidence that your body is designed to do it & that you can cope with anything with the support of birth partners & an encouraging midwife & that there is pain relief if you need it is the best approach I reckon!

jynier Mon 13-May-13 22:17:53

Anyone seen cafe? She hasn't been on here for a while!

WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 13-May-13 22:18:30

Good point Jynier! Cafe, we are bleeping you smile

MrsShrek3 Mon 13-May-13 22:26:52


Bleeping Café grin

WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 13-May-13 22:28:20

The midwife, my mw support was amazing when I gave birth to DS smile I did say to my DM when DS was born, did you secretly smile when I was practising 'serenely breathing the baby out'? I said she must have thought 'that's not going to cut it at transition!' grin She pointed out that she did say very mildly that she couldn't see any form of planned patterned breathing being achievable at the very end of labour! I must have blocked that out at the time grin

WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 13-May-13 22:28:37

Waving to mrsshrek too! smile

MrsShrek3 Mon 13-May-13 22:34:49

got an early start tonight, folks wink

I should be revising
or planning
or marking


themidwife Mon 13-May-13 22:35:39

Yes a lot of women anxiously ask when I'm going to teach them to "breathe" in the parents to be classes but I always say don't worry, you already know how to do that but your birth midwife will guide you if necessary.

WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 13-May-13 22:43:59

That sounds very good! Also Ina may says 'let your monkey do it' doesn't she? So trying to recall set breathing could work against that, I guess?

themidwife Mon 13-May-13 22:47:54

Yeah definitely. Just go with it - the primitive you will take over if you let it.

WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 13-May-13 22:52:30

I'm thinking of having a doula next time as I moved away from my lovely mlu where I had DS and in our local hospital they leave you alone a lot in labour. Any thoughts on doulas?

cafecito Mon 13-May-13 22:53:06

my bleep is going off grin hello hello

cafecito Mon 13-May-13 22:54:13

I am battling my laptop
It has deleted my assignment shock it crashed earlier, I had a 3 hour gap and wrote 2000 words of genius hmm

cafecito Mon 13-May-13 22:55:05

something complicated and lots of error messages, on spare sad- I wasn't online at the time so nothing is backed up at all


what's this I hear about sootikins

WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 13-May-13 22:55:47

Hello Dr C smile

Aagh re laptop sad don't know if this helps, but my old Uni lecturer used to say its always much faster to get it back down when that happens as you half remember it.

WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 13-May-13 22:56:21

Do you think it matters, dr, that DS actually ate some soot tonight?

cafecito Mon 13-May-13 22:56:47

I never went to antenatal classes, I just winged it wink was a bit loud I think, but did the trick. Not looking forward to delivering babies to be honest, I have to get so many signed off,persuading the mums is half the problem and the other half is the fact I am so risk aware due to my previous incarnation that it terrifies me! I would find midwifery very stressful I think

cafecito Mon 13-May-13 23:00:10

I want a hypnotic gastric band. I have been eating excessive amounts of sugar since my last set of exams, have ballooned hmm I'm not obese, or fat, but I am considerably bigger than I should be. It's kind of habitual scoffing late at night and always bad things, or good things, but too many of them..

cafecito Mon 13-May-13 23:01:18

I'm quite stressed. I have to do 5-7000 words by Wednesday now. I have a full itinerary tomorrow. I currently have.. a title *sobs

cafecito Mon 13-May-13 23:04:07

this was set back in February hmm

sad if Bears has gone - sad it's an emotive subject and many manh people cannot breastfed for all sorts of reasons. AFAIK there has been no contamination in the UK, but there has been in China (?) but there were cases abroad a few years ago too. Very sad for the families involved. FWIW DS had formula for quite a while, I did breastfeed til he was 10 months but I had to add formula from about 6 months and he was on aptamil til he turned 2.. DD had aptamil when she was about a year old. Both refused SMA etc. fussy buggers

cafecito Mon 13-May-13 23:06:26

Harriet, I will be your Doula!

grin personally, I would have hated a doula but only because I am seriously antisocial so any extra people would have pushed me over the edge to homicide

cafecito Mon 13-May-13 23:08:12

Yes, your old lecturer's remarks are reassuring. At least I have an idea of the order of what I want to say now. Sigh. what's a kernel error? It's
new and has crashed repeatedly

waves to all!

went to an amazing talk tonight by a very experienced consultant, was brilliant (in the MrsShrek line of things)

themidwife Mon 13-May-13 23:13:00

Doulas are useful at hospital births I think cos they're so short staffed the midwives can't be with you. At home births not really necessary IMHO just cos that's what we are there for really! You get 2 experienced midwives at a home birth anyway.

Oh no Cafe - you must feel like crying - how awful! Sob indeed!

I'm feeling a bit post op with an aching stomach - weird!!

BlueyDragon Mon 13-May-13 23:15:37

Kernel error = misdirected apricot or poor army tactics grin.

I'm still sniggering after going to order some replacement bits for my cooker and finding one of them described as "knob - cooking area". Ouch.

WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 13-May-13 23:18:53

Bluey smile

The midwife, I would love a Hb if u ever get pg but tbh after my pph last time I think DH and my DM would be most displeased if I suggested it.

cafecito Mon 13-May-13 23:24:52

how do I get hypnotised themidwife?

I was just rummaging in a cupboard looking for a USB stick and the shelf and boxes of filing fell down and smashed a VERY precious large glass light shock and someone tripped and fell and injured themselves badly on the steps today at the royal festival hall, as I was walking behind them en route to coffee. It's one of those days where I am nervous at what will happen next <looks over shoulder>

cafecito Mon 13-May-13 23:26:22

*snigger at Bluey smile

ouch at Harriet PPH [eek] HBs make me a bit nervous but I overmedicalise everything, natch wink

BlueyDragon Mon 13-May-13 23:26:50

kitty, how's mini kitty following her sudocrem feast?

mini, so sorry to hear about your FIL. How is he doing?

MrsShrek3 Tue 14-May-13 00:11:42

oooh café, what was the lecture? [nosey]

kernel error sounds nuts to me [boom boom]

I don't understand half of what was going on here since I last posted
Bluey sounds drunk, Harri is bonkers, mw is on drugs call or something, and café is bleeping grin
Please take no offence, hopefully I have just insulted pretty much everyone. wink Feel free to trade some back, ta.

cafecito Tue 14-May-13 00:34:12

It was a consultant forensic psychiatrist and psychologist, was really really interesting -would tell you more but would be a. perverse and b. I'd be identifiable!

I am sat here wondering how to restart my assignment, suspecting I might stay up all night!

OOOOH I, foolish I, of overloaded self, now have an editor grin I have deadlines and articles and such like to write <twirl>

cafecito Tue 14-May-13 00:35:50

mini sorry about FIL. I read Bluey's post as 'mini's sudocrem fest' blush

I have never written an article in my life - scared

jynier Tue 14-May-13 00:56:49

You didn't insult me, MrsS, feel strangely neglected!

Did you read Clarecoo's post? Trying to drum up support!

Will see my GD2 for the first time at the weekend; she is already over 1 year old! DD1 and husband are coming back to the UK for a holiday; just can't wait! Have not seen my DD1 for 2 1/2 years!!!

SummerDad Tue 14-May-13 01:19:09

jynier it sounds too strange how parents go for years without seeing their children, can't even imagine it when I think of my lil son. Life is strange.

I can imagine how excited and happy you would be smile

jynier Tue 14-May-13 01:51:10

Hi, Dad! - It's just the way of the world now; my DD1 lives overseas. Thank goodness for the internet; have seen many pics and videos of my GD2! Can't wait to meet her for real, though!!! Only a few more days!

jynier Tue 14-May-13 01:59:36

mini - was so carried away at the thought of seeing my DD1 and forgot to say sorry about your FIL! How is he doing? Must be hard for the family.

Your cat is poorly, too? So sorry. Know that you were very upset before. x

Minimammoth Tue 14-May-13 02:25:30

Awake here. Thanks for all of your thoughts, FIL's op was cancelled as they had an emergency, so we are waiting to hear when it might be. DH will go tomorrow ( they live 2.5hrs away) . My SIL is there so MIL is being taken care of she has Altzheimers so have no idea how she will be taking it, or how they will manage should he come through safely. I am trying to judge how much 'quality of life' our Fluff has, don't want her to suffer. Not sure if she's in pain as she is sleeping lots. I want it all to be easily solved.
Hard decision to take her to vets to die. sadsad

cafecito Tue 14-May-13 03:21:04

oh mini sad I'd hold off on taking fluffy to the vets if I were you, if she doesn't seem in pain, but I only deal with humans confused it's a very hard decision to make but maybe she will go of her own accord at home? hope it goes well with FIL

I am going blurry eyed trying to type a new assignment. arrr, you know when the wording is just right? then it's gone? ,harumph

Tim rolls in at a screching halt

Does morse code .....---.. like lassy put in trolley speak

Stars is stuck not in a mineshift but under 2:5k of tax returns please bring help and coffee and cake

Minimammoth Tue 14-May-13 07:48:39

That's what I would like for her too cafe.
You need the Angel of assignments to be by your side cafe.

themidwife Tue 14-May-13 07:56:43

Ah poor fluffy cat but if she's comfortable just let it be I reckon.
I am definitely on something Bluey!!
Stars! Now you're riding Trev?!! Norty!

themidwife Tue 14-May-13 07:57:00

Sorry Tim!! Wrong bloke!

KittyAndTheFontanelles Tue 14-May-13 08:20:03

Morning all.

Mini I'm very sorry about your father-in-law and fluffycat sad. Is your father-in-law local or far away?

Harriet, that's so spooky about your little sootikins because I had one too, although not as sooty as yours. Yesterday littlekitty did her "uh-oh" then the sign for frog then the sign for face washing....then she showed me her frog finger puppet. She'd stuck him up the chimney in her room and rubbed his face in the soot grin Froggy sootikins grin He was l blacked up like a west midlands Morris dancer grin It was the conversation of the day and she told everyone she met.

Re: giving birth, I'd have made a great scientologist hmm I was silent throughout the whole process apart from a soft "nnnning" towards the end of the final pushes. My midwife kept asking me questions and I couldn't say anything in response blush How very rude of me!

Can someone clear up for me which bit are the contractions? Is it the cervical opening? That was the painful bit for me, I was induced, so that started Ar midnight and went in till about 10.00 the next day. The pushing part was glorious, I loved that, didn't find it very painful, it was like blessed relief. I like the thought of my monkey taking over grin

Now I've got that Beatles sing in my head "Everybody's got something to hide, except for me and my monkey" wink

I feel really unwell at the moment. My continuous headache and face, neck, legs, shoulders, everything ache sad Slept badly because of it. Also got sinusitis sad

Ok need to keep catching up on the lengthy thread, I'm hoping bears has returned smile

KittyAndTheFontanelles Tue 14-May-13 08:54:37

Sorry, mini I've just noticed your father in law is miles away. That makes it even more difficult. My gran had Alzheimer's and I used to work in a residential home for EMI (as it was thenhmm ). A terrible, cruel condition.

stars Tim's lassie impression made me laugh grin

Bluey She's fine thank you smile She keeps pointing at the pot and saying "durr?". I think she really enjoyed her adventure grin. She's had a lot of lovely poos since so perhaps it has given her a bit of a clear out confused Perhaps we should do it once a month grin

cafecito Tue 14-May-13 09:54:34

Oh no. I have missed 2 classes already due to oversleeping.

Still IS EMI, kitty shock

I just melted reading littlekitty's froggy sootikins smile she gets more and more adorable! awwww

stars I am about to don cape and do a coffee dash. Going to skive the whole morning now I am a little bit late hmm and crack on with assignment..sigh...

Oh thankyou cafe ^ hears postroom bell goes to door thining its cafe but alas its someone wanting me to post letter^ would help if its in a evelope with a address on bangs head against


Minimammoth Tue 14-May-13 12:09:56

Stars... Tax returns[evil grin emoticon] purrem in't bingrin

Minimammoth Tue 14-May-13 12:16:03

Calling Jynier.... Nature notes from the Shire. Fight to the death < well almost> 2 sparrows on my conservatory roof and falling to the ground, claws and beaks locked and really going for the throat. Eek. Brutal. Then large Arny Swartzeneger type spider biting a poor innocent woodlouse. Calling all Wild life at Minimansion - can we all CALM DOWN.

themidwife Tue 14-May-13 13:02:13

Oh kitty go on - have a home birth and invite me you'd be a dream come true for any midwife!
My colleagues have all said they'll refuse to look after me if I have anymore - I'm just too bloody noisy & stroppy! grin

Well done Stars - you tell em! No envelope or address?!!! WTF?!

Well - re hypnotic gastric band - I've been peckish all morning but only now had a chance to eat but get this ... Stuffed after a few mouthfuls!!! I've eaten less than half a very modest portion of falafel & cous cous & I'm really really full! shockshock

KittyAndTheFontanelles Tue 14-May-13 13:09:54

themidwife but I'm scared of a home birthsad blush

Erm, can you take this hypnoband off at the end or is this you for life? confused

Mini your post made me giggle and shook a sleeping littlekitty on my lap grin

cafe glad my littlekitty melts your heart. She's so funny and gorgeous. She learned 2 new signs today; 'orange' and 'home'

<not biased>

We are just back from kittycity where there were two ducks stood outside the post office confused Adventures, eh?

Minimammoth Tue 14-May-13 13:32:38

Kitty, I am very good at cheer leading at births, I can coach you with breathing, rub your back, press special points, give you nice smells to inhale and everything, if you have a home birth. <Joins sootikins birthing team>

KittyAndTheFontanelles Tue 14-May-13 13:47:37

mini stop encouraging her! grin

themidwife, I know I'd be safe in your hands but unfortunately I don't live in the hippy hills....

Seriously, would you advise a 39 year old with history of severe preeclampsia, medicated for months afterwards, spent 11 days in hospital before discharge, to have a homebirth? Really, really? confused

themidwife Tue 14-May-13 14:42:11

No not really - you must do whatever is right & safe for you Kitty. We can wave at you through the hospital window grin

cafecito Tue 14-May-13 19:41:58

% assignment done today: 0

oh dear. If I come on here later,shout at me to go away and do my work please smile

kitty, see how you are if you feel well later on, baby in right position, no proteinuria, good BP, no other probs, lots of plastic sheeting and no new cream carpet, no reason not to! smile

cafecito Tue 14-May-13 19:46:02

[melting at littlekitty]

Minimammoth Tue 14-May-13 20:33:27

It is deluging here. DH on his way home, from visiting his dad he has pneumonia and is in HDU. So guess surgery will not happen until he is better. MIL is totally confused. 2 older brothers are staying way away.
I am sure I have posted this once..... Losing it.

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 14-May-13 20:46:20

Mini I am so sorry about your fil sad I hope your DH is coping ok and that you are ok too.

Minimammoth Tue 14-May-13 20:57:41

Harriet, it is hard, he is old and frail and I guess will not be mobile after the op. he hates being physically unable.

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 14-May-13 21:04:17

It must be very hard to become so dependent on others, mini sad

Sending good vibes to you mini

Yes midwife i get asked at once a day i get handed the letter/form with a scrap of paper asking it to be sent sigh and when i have explained everything they then want a tracking num ie it to go recorded growl growl think they just expect me to do it err no i wont even put the stamps on

Even better when they try to get the bussiness to pay for postage when i know its personal ohhh they get stroppy when i say no ( with head tilt and smile)

themidwife Tue 14-May-13 23:20:44

Wey hey Stars - excellent input in Lost Licence thread! He he! wink

Ah Mini you sound exhausted. It really is totally pissing down which doesn't help you feel good. Hope everyone is ok in your family thanks

Cafe - norty procrastinating! Get on with it or you will have to drop out of medicine & do midwifery! grin

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 14-May-13 23:26:23

Hi all - aaagg can't sleep sad

just lying here stressing about arguing with DH today sad I wish we were getting on better and I'm feeling down. he's having a hard time being out of work and is not easy to live with - very grumpy and I feel like I can't do anything right.

themidwife Tue 14-May-13 23:26:50

Oh yeah Kitty - contractions master class! Uterine contractions are muscular contractions which pull up (shorten & dilate) the cervix at the same time as pushing the baby downwards from the top. It hurts because the blood supply to the uterus is temporarily cut off during the contraction causing ischaemia which is painful in the same way it would be if the blood supply to your arm was completely cut off. The pushing bit hurts less because you don't have the pain of the baby's head being rammed against your poor cervix during contractions & it being pulled open anymore - it's just pressure from the top pushing the baby down the birth canal. I quite enjoyed pushing too! Such a powerful feeling!! grin

themidwife Tue 14-May-13 23:27:41

Ah sorry Harriet - relationships are hard aren't they? sad

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 14-May-13 23:28:50

I feel cheated because I had absolutely no urge to push sad hope I will get that in the next labour, if I eventually get pg ...

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 14-May-13 23:30:11

Thanks themidwife, just having a self indulgent weep sad

themidwife Tue 14-May-13 23:33:50

My DH isn't speaking to me & I haven't seen him for 8 days now apart from kids handover. So much for getting back together!! sad

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 14-May-13 23:36:24

Sorry to hear that, the midwife, I didn't mean to make you feel down too sad

themidwife Tue 14-May-13 23:37:15

No you didn't Harriet - I'm already feeling utterly despondent all by myself!

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 14-May-13 23:44:19

Can I cheer you up by asking about your favourite ever labour you've attended and why?

themidwife Tue 14-May-13 23:47:01

Hmmmm - hard to recall as they all merge into each other after 18 years! To be honest the last one I did (waterbirth at home) a couple of weeks ago was pretty much as good as it gets. It was wonderful. smile

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 14-May-13 23:49:50

That sounds lovely!

I know it sounds weird but I loved my birth. Afterwards I told the mw who delivered DS that I would never forget what she did - she gave me the confidence to get him out naturally smile was nearly 3 hours pushing!!!

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 14-May-13 23:50:59

Do you get thank you cards sometimes?

jynier Wed 15-May-13 01:37:34

Hi, guys! Should be ecstatic about my DD1's return to the UK with my GD2 (whom I will meet for the first time) but am suffering overwhelming sadness at the knowledge that my little bro will not be here to join in the celebrations! Sorry, everyone, to be so morbid; know that you all have your own crosses to bear.

cafecito Wed 15-May-13 01:39:08

I am laughing so hard at 'you'll have to drop out of medicine' grin
I honestly would feel so incompetent as a midwife, I really would, but what a brilliant career to have - what better to focus your work on, really? (mutters to self) am procrastinating dreadfully, so much so I did no work, went to bed and then couldn't sleep.. and now up again.. and can neither work nor sleep [arrrrgh] also have an early morning pbl sesh. joy.

consider self educated re ischaemic pain in labour, I didn't realise blush

Re relationship gloom, mm. ex P driving me up the wall of late, <sharpens goats> it's sad how things can be so sour, why won't people learn how short life is and make the most of being nice and surrounding self with love and positivity, especially if there are children confused

Wishes she had midwife when i was in labour first time i had one a grumpy one wasnt allowed to move off bed second time midwife went off duty and took the drug cabinet key so couldnt have my peathdine. Oh and i had my mother at the 2nd one who nearly tripped up the midwife when dd2 head popped out as she scared the crap out of mother as her eyes were open !!!

So dd2 was born with just gas and air

Oh and i started a thread in tv section if anyone is intrested.

The 80's tv seris of wonder women starts next week on sky

WouldBeHarrietVane Wed 15-May-13 07:41:57

Ha ha stars about the eyes grin I lived the gas and air

Cafe you can't drop out of medicine - we need you to become a dr and set an example to the rest of them!

Would have loved to be a mw but I am way way too risk averse - I would intervene all over the shop - wouldn't be good blush

WouldBeHarrietVane Wed 15-May-13 07:42:11

Not lived - loved grin

WouldBeHarrietVane Wed 15-May-13 07:43:26

Jynier, thinking of you - I know what it is like to miss someone and I know it never stops, even in happy times. I know you will enjoy the visit but of course you will miss him too.

[Smile] wouldbeharriet i also got loud parenting from mother it was like back at school on sports day her shouting run run run all the way to the line.. just push push push grin

WouldBeHarrietVane Wed 15-May-13 08:09:19

grin stars !! My mum gave us a lift to the hospital - lived near her then which was lovely but have since moved! She stayed in the waiting room reading through my whole labour - was lovely knowing she was there - kind of wish I'd had the push push push treatment too!!

Minimammoth Wed 15-May-13 08:11:46

I have twins. They were2 months prem so v.small, easy births in one way but upside down and back to front, whisked away immediately to IC. Not enough time for meds.
With my DD1 though I was told to 'shut up' by midwife as I was disturbing other mums in labour. < I am the quietest person ever> she was evil.

themidwife Wed 15-May-13 08:18:14

Ha ha stars at the eyes! Even I find that freaky when the head is out & the baby is staring at you as if to say - who the hell are you?! gringringrin

This will really freak you out - I once examined someone & felt something nobbly on top of the head, thought fuck fuck fuck it's the cord until it held my finger! Weird feeling!!

Minimammoth Wed 15-May-13 08:25:00

Woah! What a weird thing midwife. You must have a few tales to tell. I was with my DD1 at my DGCs births, such a privilege . Plus 2 friends who also invited my to be birth partners < proud badge> one was a home birth with fab midwife, we were all on the floor and friend delivered kneeling.

themidwife Wed 15-May-13 18:52:09

Yeah even my own are scary! DD2 born in a carpark!! blush

I was born in the hostpil corrider on the way to the ward in the middle of the midwifes lunchtime rebel

Hope every one is ok this eveing i have the most awful cold i stop snezzing but on a good note i have booked dd2 train tickets for our hoilday missed her loads and her doc martins have arrived

Kitty there are in the colour of blueberry
[Smile] got loads of texts from dd saying woooo
omg omg omg
take a pic
ohhhh they r pretty
( i think she is pleased)

WouldBeHarrietVane Wed 15-May-13 22:48:09

Bet it will be lovely to see her stars smile

Hello late night compadres - wishing all if us a food night of chatting or maybe even some sleeping??!

Minimammoth Wed 15-May-13 22:57:22

A food night!! Yay.
I have been to London today,So am knackered.
News is not good for FIL, he may be having his op tomorrow but will not be resuscitated if things go awry. My DH is going to try to speak to him tomorrow beforehand < to say his bit and maybe goodbyesad>. I am just trusting that things will get sorted. MIL is beyond bewildered and keeps saying, 'I am missing someone'sad

Minimammoth Wed 15-May-13 22:59:06

Reading back. That was a bit of a weird post wasn't it. The food yay bit. hmm sorry

Sends mini hugs will send good vibes all day

WouldBeHarrietVane Wed 15-May-13 23:08:25

Oh mini - poor fil, mil and your DH sad I imagine you are also very upset. I hope the op goes as well as possible.

I didn't think your post was weird btw but then my posts can be quite weird grin

Dr cafe I hope you've finished your assignment?!

Minimammoth Wed 15-May-13 23:11:50

I thought I might see dr cafe in London. Sashaying in those sparkly hot pants with the eyelashes. But no.

Yes harriet i get to spend a whole week with her smile i know shes been down lately and she asked if we could have some alone time to rebond.

Have a feeling dafty dog will be having lots of walks on the beach may even buy a little net so can go rock pooling. Need to buy wellies though and armbands for the dog incase of rain

Wellies for me armbands for the dog though thinking about it bright pink wellies for the dog would match her pink waterproof coat

Minimammoth Wed 15-May-13 23:17:27

Stars I immediately saw dog in wellies. Maybe you should have matching ones. How lovely for you to spend time with DD. I love having mine all to myself.

grin mini. Though dog cant do red wellies as they could clash with her ginger hair.

Minimammoth Wed 15-May-13 23:32:42

He/ she must have some. It will preserve the manicure.

Minimammoth Wed 15-May-13 23:33:16

Or is that paw icure?

jynier Thu 16-May-13 00:42:14

Hi! Hope that you are all ok!

Harriet - Thank you for your very kind post at 07:43:36.

It is all so weird! Am absolutely exhilarated that I will be seeing my GD2 for the first time at the weekend (she is now over a year old) but heartbroken that my little bro will not be here. He is now a posthumous grandfather; I won't visit his family (although I adore them all) as I know that I will upset them greatly through constant crying.

Have any of you on here lost a beloved younger sibling? How do you cope?

jynier Thu 16-May-13 02:11:31

Oh, well! Par for the mumsnet course!

BlueyDragon Thu 16-May-13 02:21:04

I didn't really get the urge to push either, Harriet, it was weird especially after lots of people had told me it would be so strong. A bit more there for DS but not much. They were just comfy in there, clearly!

Oh jynier, I have no idea how I would cope if I lost either of my DBs. We don't see each other much because of distance and work patterns (one is a police officer, the other lives 250 miles away) but we lean on each other. I think if you lose someone close to you there's always a hole in your life that is never filled, always an empty chair at the table, and the only thing you can do that helps is accept that the chair is empty but love the chance you had to have that person in your life.

Good news today: the teeny tiny lump the surgeon biopsied when he went back to check on the area they couldn't see on the scan is nothing to worry about. Finally the complete All Clear!

jynier Thu 16-May-13 03:06:32

Bluey - Tx for your very kind post and many, many congratulations on the final All Clear! Yay! xxx

WouldBeHarrietVane Thu 16-May-13 06:30:21

Yay Bluey grin

Wonderful news bluey smile

Minimammoth Thu 16-May-13 07:03:31

Well done Bluey. Hope you go from strength to strength. Enjoy your new GD Jynier, it will be special. Tears and joy.

MrsShrek3 Thu 16-May-13 07:07:32

grin Bluey grin
(but don't be hmm if the info takes a while to sink in and compute in your chemobrain wink ...we are still doing same wrt DH )
awesome news thanks so happy for you!

themidwife Thu 16-May-13 08:57:41

That's fantastic Bluey!!! grin

KittyAndTheFontanelles Thu 16-May-13 10:07:26

I've so much to catch up on but I skimmed and saw the tremendous news grin grin

Oh bluey I'm so so pleased for you! Yer actual all actual clear actually!! So fabuloussmile

wine wine wine wine thanks thanks thanks thanks wine wine wine wine

BlueyDragon Thu 16-May-13 18:15:54


thanks and wine for all of you, you have been truly marvellous vipers. Thanks for the tip too, MrsShrek, I will try and remember that if chemo brain allows!

Minimammoth Thu 16-May-13 18:38:49

How is gastric band doing Midwife? Yesterday I ate rubbish and had a kitkat, pack of biscuits and almost a whole pack of Jaffa cakes. So much for trying to lose some lbs.FIL has had his op, has come through , but it's early days. Fingers crossed.

themidwife Thu 16-May-13 18:57:29

Ah mini - you must be so stressed! No wonder you're craving sugar!! How is FIL doing?

Gastric band loosening slightly & ate more and drank like a fish last night at a retirement meal so will listen to the CD in bed tonight although I've eaten small portions today - I've been making half the usual amounts & leaving some.

I had deep acupuncture for my plantar fasciitis this morning which was gruelling but better than hydrocortisone injections I'm sure. Came home & went to bed & slept for a couple of hours but still feel wiped out. So it will be an early night for me!

How is everyone else?

Minimammoth Thu 16-May-13 19:11:38

Hi Midwife. Apparently FIL has had soup! The family are rallying to try to sort arrangement for What might happen in future as they will be unable to look after each other, I think. Did you get my pm btw?
I am going to go on our planned holiday at least for a few days cos I am really tired. DH will stay home to visit his dad and mind the Fluff.

Minimammoth Fri 17-May-13 08:20:14

Morning everyone, we have been quiet, so I hope you are all ok. I had a mega sleep crashed at 8.30 woke at 6.30.
Hope your foot has settled Midwife.
Jynier I am an only child so I have no idea what you must be feeling about your dear brother. Sibling relationships, even between my own children baffle me. I hope you have a great weekend with your GC.

KittyAndTheFontanelles Fri 17-May-13 08:43:37

Good morning all smile

I'm sorry I've not been around much recently. I have been reading but not able to post for one reason or another. Mostly because I'm exhausted and can't think if any sensible to say, also because littlekitty has been having trouble settling and I find posting distracts her. There's a tiny buzz when I use my keypad which I can't switch off.

Mini I'm so sorry about your father in law sad It sounds like he's stayed independent very late in life which is a credit to him. I don't suppose that is any consolation now sad

stars blueberry docs sound lovely grin

jynier the clock is ticking till granddaughter time grin How lovely. How long is she staying for? Are they staying with you in camberwick green?

Right, I cant remember what else has been said blush I will return. I hope.

themidwife Fri 17-May-13 09:53:41

I keep waking in the night but know that if I start posting that'll be it so have been going back to sleep.

Feet a bit better today but tender from the needles. She thinks we'll need another session next week as its a chronic problem.

Hope you all get some sunny days - I think we need them to lift the gloom!

BlueyDragon Fri 17-May-13 17:02:39

I've always found acupuncture to be fab - have you had it before, midwife? Reaches the parts Western medicine doesn't reach IMO. Reflexology is also good but probably not for plantar fasciitis!

themidwife Fri 17-May-13 17:53:49

Yes I've had it many times before with the same wonderful practitioner. She turned my last baby who was breech with acupuncture & moxibustion within 20 minutes. smile

jynier Sat 18-May-13 00:02:33

Hi guys! Had a huge burst of energy and put things straight which had been neglected due to my miserableness (am not even sure if that's a real word)!

DD1 will be here tomorrow (have not seen her for over 2 1/2 years) with her husband and MY GRANDDAUGHTER (yay - will meet her for the first time; she's over a year old)!

Have been tracking their flight; think that they have left LA now. Am so excited!

Obviously, am thinking of you all and sending my very best wishes; just can't wait for tomorrow!

jynier Sat 18-May-13 00:05:21

kitty - they are staying with my DD2 in the next village.

Make sure that you take care of yourself, honey! x

jynier Sat 18-May-13 00:42:17

mini - Thank you for your very kind comments; so sorry for your troubles. Best wishes, x

SummerDad Sat 18-May-13 01:41:04

This is one of those nights ...

hello all I hope you all are enjoying your weekend,

Jynier happy for you, I hope you will enjoy your daughter's company ...

Anyone around ...?

jynier Sat 18-May-13 01:55:03

I'm here, Dad! Over-excited and freezing!!!

Are you ok? Are you "down?" You can tell us; after all, you started the thread!

jynier Sat 18-May-13 02:00:31

Has the National Grid failed? None of my storage heaters are warming-up!

SummerDad Sat 18-May-13 02:14:21

hey jynier I am not down tonight luckily, not yet at least smile just wondering would be rather nice to have company. On weekends, I realise what a blessing it is to be employed full time

Are your lights on grin !

jynier Sat 18-May-13 02:36:37

Aaw, Dad! Best wishes, x

KittyAndTheFontanelles Sat 18-May-13 04:14:49

I was dreaming I was having an affair with Stewart Lee wink grin Yum.

He was very handsy blush wink

Littlekitty woke me sad

Oh Stewart, sigh. You're the 41st best anything in my book.

<Wipes drool from chin>

Minimammoth Sat 18-May-13 09:09:42

Morning. I am running away for a couple of days. DH is going up to visit FIL, and is insisting I take some rest. So a devising a mini retreat.
Will be out of range sadly, so have a good weekend everyone.

KittyAndTheFontanelles Sat 18-May-13 09:17:40

Bye mini enjoy your mini-break. I hope you are able to switch off. smile

WouldBeHarrietVane Sat 18-May-13 10:13:57

Mini, a well deserved break - hope you enjoy it and that fil is as comfortable as possible.

Kitty, smile I dreamt I was back at Uni and I had to sleep in a dorm (was like Hogwarts) but the dorm had cots for everyone's babies shock

Have a lovely time with your gd Jynier smile

Mini H is at the swings with his dad and I'm trying to get some jobs done in the house - wish me luck!

themidwife Sat 18-May-13 16:10:10

Have a lovely rest Mini! A complete chill will do you the world of good!

Hope you're all having a great weekend! Curry & live band tonight! smile

MrsShrek3 Sat 18-May-13 18:19:47

sounds lovely, mw and mini. enjoy, you deserve it.
just read everything...sorry I have the memory of a fish and can't think what else to post. nodded sagely and grin occasionally when reading. Hope everyone doing ok.

WouldBeHarrietVane Sat 18-May-13 23:39:55

Fed up sad

We argued again today and DH is still getting over the illness he's had since last March. Little H was grumpy today as he's teething and I've just run round like a mad thing.

I'm tired but still have lots of adrenalin from arguing so can't sleep. We did make up but I'm still upset sad

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 19-May-13 00:18:41

Going to try sleeping now - hopefully everything will look better in daylight!

Sleep well all - if you read this before tomorrow smile

themidwife Sun 19-May-13 00:24:37

Oh no Harri - hope all resolved & you the adrenaline has reduced enough for you to sleep. sad

jynier Sun 19-May-13 01:28:44

Aaw Harriet! Things have a way of working themselves out. Sending best wishes, x.

I had a BRILLIANT day today! Saw both of my daughters and all my 3GC together for the first time - cried!

KittyAndTheFontanelles Sun 19-May-13 04:08:00

Hi allsmile

jynier so glad you've had s lovely day grin. Will you see them again tomorrow?

Themidwife, are you still out partying? wink

Harriet, I'm so sorry you've had another row. It must be so much pressure on your relationship at the moment. sad I hope you managed to get some sleep eventually.

Littlekitty quacked an hour ago but then fell quiet but I couldn't get back to sleep again and am all awake now. Have had toast.and satsumas.

We viewed a house today and have decided to take it.grin It is perfect apart from a small bathroom and no private parking but otherwise it is stunning smile 3 double bedrooms, utility room, downstairs toilet (for potty training grin ), private, secluded, mature garden, massive kitchen with 6 ring hob, living room, dining room, entrance hall, lovely stairs with original spindles. It's above our budget and will eat into our savings but that is what they are there for- to bridge the gap until I return to work.

Subsequently I'm too excited to sleep and know I'll regret this in the morning.

It's still subject to contract but only rental, not buying so should hopefully be ok.

Right I need to try to sleep again. The dawn chorus has started here jyniersmile

No lovely, saucy Stewart Lee dreams tonight yet sad sigh.

MrsShrek3 Sun 19-May-13 04:32:39

Hi Kitty if you're still here smile It was the six ring hob that swung it, I can tell wink

Just reading some more posts to catch up...

MrsShrek3 Sun 19-May-13 04:40:00

Jynier awwww! Heart melting moment. Hope someone had a camera.

Harri, hugs. What is your dh recovering from? (if you want to share? Don't need to say if I am being nosy) It's not easy looking after small people and a OH with long term health issue. Stop being hard on yourself.

Hoping our escapees are having a lovely weekend (mini send us a postcard!) and that many of you are sleeping smileenvy

MrsShrek3 Sun 19-May-13 05:43:57

Been up an hour and half and no chance of more shut eye now is there... Had brew now want [toast] to go with it grin oh and another brew...

KittyAndTheFontanelles Sun 19-May-13 06:00:42

Littlekitty has just woken after 9.5 solid hours sleep shock smile How annoying that I wasted a lot of those hours. I reckon I had another 45 minute sleep before she woke.

Mrs, why are you awake so early? Everything ok? How on earth did you know about the 6 ring hob?! grin. You are so right grin

Harriet, I'm sorry, reading back I'm afraid my post may seem crass after yours. I'm very sorry. We've been searching every day since January for a house and couldn't entertain the idea of a newborn in this tiny thing we are in at the moment so its such a relief. Mrs is right of course as always You mustn't be so hard on yourself. thanks

MrsShrek3 Sun 19-May-13 06:26:54

Good littlekitty smile
And new nest for new baby is very exciting stuff smile

No clue why 4.20 was wake up time tbh. I mislaid dh, silly sod had fallen asleep on the sofa so after getting him to bed I was wide awake.

KittyAndTheFontanelles Sun 19-May-13 06:35:26

I suppose that was just careless, Mrs. Mislaying your husband, I mean grin

MrsShrek3 Sun 19-May-13 06:38:39

True. My eyesight is terrible but surely nobody else could mislay something that big grin ffs he needs a full time nanny of his own hmm
I'd really like to hear more about the house, if you wish to indulge?

KittyAndTheFontanelles Sun 19-May-13 06:50:44

Ooh yes please grin.

It's in a very naice part of kittycity, on the river,--we won't fit in at allgrin -- Victorian, bay windows, some wood floors but some carpets unfortunately (only unfortunately because its rented so someone else's carpet-Ew. Hopefully they will be cleaned before we move in). The dining room is large and has a ceiling-floor window looking out into the garden. It is also open plan through to the kitchen which I love. I'm so excited! 3 double bedrooms grin. I can't believe it grin

BlueyDragon Sun 19-May-13 07:09:04

How very careless of you MrsS! If you always put him in the same place then you will always be able to find him. My DH would love that, he would volunteer bed as "his place" I reckon, as long as he could have an iPad too no chance, on both counts.

Your new kittypalace sounds lovely, kitty! When would you move if all goes well? I think renting old houses may be better than buying, you're not responsible for the upkeep <goes off to frown at the damp in the dragon cave>. It sounds like a great family home.

jynier, what a wonderful day, something to hold on to. Are you all together for a little while or was it just the day?

Hugs for Harriet, I hope you've been able to get some rest.

Aaggghhh, DS has just invaded and is demanding Octonauts. Judging by the current rate of narrative, if I don't give in he will issue a full description of every Octonauts episode he has ever seen!

KittyAndTheFontanelles Sun 19-May-13 07:56:28

Thank you bluey. Yes, exactly, a family house smile. We agree at the moment, as I'm on a career break, it is sensible for us to rent. we couldn't get a mortgage even if we wanted to grin

Perhaps we should get big bowls by the front door for our husbands. You know, like people have for for their keys. We could put our husbands in them when we come in the house grin

KittyAndTheFontanelles Sun 19-May-13 08:04:44

What plans today you two? I'd like to go to mass but it's at 11.00 and I think we might be asleep again by then blush

Roast lamb, roasties, and homegrown purple sprouting calabrese for tea, plus whatever veg Mr kitty brings home from the car boot sale. Crumble with homegrown rhubarb for after too. I've even made littlekitty a sugarfree one grin See, Mrs, you were right about the 6 ring hob grin

MrsShrek3 Sun 19-May-13 09:16:15

Sounds awesome. You can stop sending l ittlekitty by parcel post, I am coming to pick her up and see your palace wink

Like the idea of putting the dh in one place (he would need programming to tell him when bed time is, which is where it all went wrong) I prefer the idea of a hook to hang him on. In the hallway. Then I don't forget to collect him at bedtime grin
In fact why not go the whole way and have hook for each of the dc as well (upside down for ds2) wink

themidwife Sun 19-May-13 09:40:00

Morning - it sounds like you all had a great day yesterday!

The new LittleBittyKitty&bump palace sounds wonderful!!

MrMrs - how norty of him to get lost! He needs a tracking device fitted if he won't stay on the hook! I always know where to find mine at his own house at the end of a guitar or sitar!

Jynier how lovely - all your family together!

Hello Bluey! Hope you're feeling great still!

Hope you slept Harri & all is well this morning!

themidwife Sun 19-May-13 09:40:41

Now I want roast potatoes!! Norty Kitty! grin

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 19-May-13 09:42:59

Thanks for all the nice messages everyone - I'm feeling much better this morning! smile

Things always seem so much worse at night. We are off for a lovely day out and lunch at a great baby-friendly Italian restaurant we know - extravagant for a household with no income from the main breadwinner!!! grin

Kitty your house sounds wonderful - really pleased to hear it and I bet Little K and new Mini K to be will love it smile

Jynier, thrilled to hear you had such a lovely time smile

Midwife, hope you had a great meal out.

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 19-May-13 09:44:57

Bluey I am looking forward to learning about Octonauts etc as DS grows up grin your DS sounds lovely!

Mrsshrek y y to your idea of tagging these dh's - maybe we could have a system where their whereabouts appear on a map in the kitchen! Bet you could do that too with 'where's my iPhone' and so on shock

themidwife Sun 19-May-13 10:05:18

Yes a "where's my husband ap" sounds a great idea!

themidwife Sun 19-May-13 10:11:22

We had a curry - my favourite "Black Volcano" which is a speciality of our local hilly curry house. It's BYOB so we took a nice bottle of Tempranillo & then to the live music club nearby where we listened to a folk rock band who did an interesting mix of "That's Not My Name" & "These Boots are Made for Walking" shock

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 19-May-13 10:51:10

grin midwife - think my DH would love to test his chilli resistance powers on black volcano curry!

themidwife Sun 19-May-13 11:19:47

It's fantastic - loads of spinach which makes it look black, whole bird's eye chillies & major onions & garlic. I'm a bit of a chilli addict! I had it with fish & DH king prawns. Yum!

jynier Sun 19-May-13 23:32:38

Hi, guys! Dropping in to say that, yes, saw them all again today; baby is beautiful but was asleep the whole time she was here! So different from yesterday when she was tearing around at DD2's house. DD1 is still jet-lagged and said that her legs hurt (she is still very tired) but Son-i-l is fine; he doesn't look any different at all from 6 years ago!

Don't have time to comment on all of your posts as, strangely, am tired and will be off to bed soon!

Wishing you all well (what's happened to cafe?) and sending huge thanks for all the messages, xxx

cafecito Mon 20-May-13 01:45:04

was I just bleeped grin

hello all

BLUEY that's such wonderful wonderful news grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

jynier hope you're having a wonderful time

curry- mmmm I love curry almost as much as I love coffee *note to self, never ever pay for teeth whitening

I have suddenly hit massive stress exam panic - yet all I have done is 3 hours work, all weekend.. aaaaaaaaaaaaahhh.......... how I managed that I don't know, I have fumbled about trying to spring clean my flat before I start, and have become fully nocturnal, which is bad as I have an 8.30am start in the morning.. and have watched all of the apprentice and the good wife back to back.. hmm.

hope all are well, back to my self imposed exile for a bit smile wine

cafecito Mon 20-May-13 01:50:20

hooray for kittyclan house! sounds wonderful space for a private doctor and themidwife delivery team

Harri glad you're feeling a bit better

jynier- get DD to take a mini aspirin dose (don't like the sound of hurting legs) but otherwise it sounds incredible seeing your GC together! how wonderful

MrsS- how you doin? <said like joey from friends>

right must read an entire chapter and then go to bed.. arr like that's going to happen. need to reset my clock.

MrsShrek3 Mon 20-May-13 04:44:44

Well he has done it again. Mislaid himself. This time his homing device was turned on but his timer has malfunctioned. So he's just got to bed hmm but has woken me up in the process sad any sound wakes me. Ffs. In work 8am-6pm tomorrow so I really needed a good sleep for once

KittyAndTheFontanelles Mon 20-May-13 05:08:57

Oh Mrs, have you gone off again? I hope so. Littlekitty slept for 8.5hrs againgrin

MrsShrek3 Mon 20-May-13 05:18:23

Only gone for a brew grin
Good littlekitty!

MrsShrek3 Mon 20-May-13 05:19:23

Does all this wonderful sleeping mean that she doesn't have to come for nocturnal childminding any more? wink

KittyAndTheFontanelles Mon 20-May-13 05:33:19

Well I suppose so at the moment grin I'm sure it will change though confused

She's awake now though so I reckon that's it for the night. Doesn't seem like enough for. nights babu sleep does it? Are you missing her, Mrs? grin You are welcome in the kitty mansion (hmm) anytime, homegirl grin

Long day ahead for you?sad

MrsShrek3 Mon 20-May-13 05:43:09

Pmsl at homegirl grin and of course I'm missing her!
I need a non-outing hometown and all I can think of now is your suggestion wink

Sigh at "that's it for the night", unfortunately true for both of us I fear hmm

KittyAndTheFontanelles Mon 20-May-13 06:08:03

haha but that's rather very outing although terribly clever and witty grin

Hmmm, will give it some thought.

Littlekitty is yawning and whinging. sad Actually right now she's demolishing a crumpet wink

We need to be somewhere at 9.30 so this timing is perfect but not if she collapses in an hour


KittyAndTheFontanelles Mon 20-May-13 06:30:48

She's cheered up now, back to her old self telling me stories interspersed with..Erm...

Really gorgeous grin

MrsShrek3 Mon 20-May-13 07:16:51

well things turned sad here
BIL on phone at 6.30 saying get to hospital quick MIL probably had a stroke he found her lying at the bottom of the stairs sad sad sad DH in bitssad

KatyDid02 Mon 20-May-13 07:19:35

gosh, is this still going? How many yoni massages has Brian offered now? grin

WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 20-May-13 07:22:32

Mrs shrek sad also try to hear that. I hope she is as comfortable as the hospital can make her now. Poor your DH sad

Morning all will try to read the posts at lunchtime very dodgy signel in the office

Kitty that house sounds soo fab smile

MrsSherk i to have a dp that has a timer malfuntion ^ i be comming to bed in a few mins^ = 4 hours later due to ppl blowing his tanks up

I have a pasta salad for lunch with a small box of choclate crunchies I made last night thats balanced lunch isnt

Right off to office think this is going to be a long day but friday at 5pm Im on hoilday
Ordered a pair of wellies ( bright purple) off the net so hope they come before hoilday ( still want wellies for the dog though)

Have a good day

Oh no mrssherk sending good vibes (())

KittyAndTheFontanelles Mon 20-May-13 07:52:57

Oh Mrs, I'm so sorrysad That's terrible news. Just when things were picking up for your family. Strokes can be varying in severity. Thank god your brother in law found her. Hoping for a positive prognosis. thanks

I wish there was something we could do.

Kitty snuggles for what it's worth

KittyAndTheFontanelles Mon 20-May-13 07:53:32

katy I think you are on the wrong thread grin. No yoni massage here, just hills and sootikins.

WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 20-May-13 08:11:09

Mrs shrek I'm sorry, but my stupid I phone changed my post from very sorry to also try. I hope she is as ok as she can be.

MrsShrek3 Mon 20-May-13 08:27:11

knew what you meant harriet wink

themidwife Mon 20-May-13 10:52:40

Hugs Mrs - hope things are ok!! Poor MrMrs! thanksthanksthanks

cafecito Mon 20-May-13 11:15:52

Oh MrsShrek sad sad sad what a nightmare. you're so strong but it's so unjust that you've had to be, what a barrage of crap to deal with. argh. we're here for you. goats, pompoms, curries, et al. feel free to PM any medical questions (*not that I know the answer as I am currently sposed to be in anatomy class. hmm)

MrsShrek3 Mon 20-May-13 14:15:50

ta all
Apparently it is a bleed not a clot. they've got her in the ironically named observation ward. in two hrs there I only saw a disgruntled cleanerhmm DH still in bits. By 3pm I need to decide what to tell the dc - grandma was supposed to be doing the school run so they are all going to know something is going on straight away. Poor things have had to deal with so much. we have been straight with them over dh's cancer and can only think we should do the same with this. We do it so that they know first and can ask stuff, and they never overhear and start imagining terrible stuff instead. seems to have worked so far. will be playing this one down tbh.

MrsShrek3 Mon 20-May-13 14:16:47

sorry for rambleblush

themidwife Mon 20-May-13 14:50:05

Yes I think play this one down. Aneurysms are fairly common & won't necessarily lead to a full blown stroke if she gets on the right medication. They've got enough to worry about with Daddy. Hope they're ok. thanks

KittyAndTheFontanelles Mon 20-May-13 15:37:58

Oh how difficult, Mrs. Particularly, I'd imagine, with your son who has Asperger's. I hope it goes as well as can be expected. How does she seem? Is she conscious?
thanks thanks thanks

MrsShrek3 Mon 20-May-13 17:19:03

so sorry I appear to have hijacked the thread somewhat today blush

she is sleeping but seems ok (in the cirs). on her way to neuro hospital now. dc were ok with the info I gave them. sticking to facts and answering questions works best. DS1 has explained some phsiology stuff to the younger two (aspie geek scientist, obv) and they all seem happy enough with the explanations they have got, and obv that Grandma is being well looked after. I have warned them that dh is upset and therefore grumpy... only fair to forewarn them imho so they are likely to be a bit less boisterous and hopefully more considerate. DH is taking it badly so far sad

MrsShrek3 Mon 20-May-13 17:22:16

mw - left side paralysis but she seems able to wriggle her leg a bit. talk of surgery at neuro centre???

themidwife Mon 20-May-13 18:11:14

I guess it depends on the damage caused?

jynier Mon 20-May-13 23:57:32

Hugs from me, too, Mrs. - to all of you!

My DD1 is still not feeling well after her long flight; says that she is feeling dizzy! She is a very experienced long-haul traveller. Is this normal jetlag? Would appreciate your views!

MrsShrek3 Tue 21-May-13 01:51:44

unsurprisingly I am up... anyone else?

cafecito Tue 21-May-13 03:44:12

Hello Mrs. how are you? silly question cafe, silly question . I'm so sorry to hear about MIL. Yes bleeds are common, but you know what, they often completely resolve. I have seen lots of patients with terrible subdurals etc, and appalling CT scans..loss of function, etc.. and within a few months, they are back to normal. I know that sounds dramatic, but prognosis is pretty good more often than not, if it's caught quickly.
that's my optimism over and done with
what a shit day you've had shock sad [hugs hugs hugs] thanks wine how's DH ?

MrsShrek3 Tue 21-May-13 05:35:02

dh sleeping at last. i have done ten min cat naps here and there.
cafe why are you up at daft o clock!

cafecito Tue 21-May-13 05:53:24

me> looks innocent... pretends not to see the time ....

KittyAndTheFontanelles Tue 21-May-13 06:24:32

I'm here now. Sorry no-one was there for you in the middle of the night, Mrs

Please don't worry about hogging the thread, that's what we are here for. (Although we let you down last night I'm afraid).

I hope you've been granted some compassionate leave.
Squeezes and positive thoughts from your homegirl. thanks smile

themidwife Tue 21-May-13 07:05:54

Yes sorry we were all apart from Cafe of course sleeping last night Mrs. Hope you have a better day today - of course it's ok to hog the thread. We'll all need to at some point I'm sure!

MrsShrek3 Tue 21-May-13 07:15:42

thank u smile

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 21-May-13 07:50:05

Mrsshrek, have been thinking of you and hoping your mil had a reasonably comfortable night and that you are all ok.

Cafe, hope revising is going ok - I'm sure you will do brilliantly in the exam.

Jynier, the dizziness doesn't sound right to me. I'm no dr and it could just be tiredness or the start of an ear infection, but given the flight I would get her an appointment at your gp.

Slept a bit better and unlike yesterday little H did not wake me at 5.35 am - was v g smile hoping for a nice calm day today!

MrsShrek3 Tue 21-May-13 08:46:29

I'll stop hijacking here now smile had started a thread asking for stroke info and some wonderful people have turned up with experience and tips. I heart mn. could truly not have managed the last year without the awesome support on here.

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 21-May-13 09:17:49

Oh good mrs shrek re advice and you weren't hijacking at all - I think this is for all of us who can't sleep to have a light hearted natter and also chat about what is going on at home generally / potentially keeping us awake - so please keep on telling us about your mil.

KittyAndTheFontanelles Tue 21-May-13 20:55:09

How are things, Mrs?

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 21-May-13 21:08:31

Kitty, thought of your little K tonight as my mini H was posting dried pasta down the back of a bookcase while giggling shock smile I was thinking of their shared sooty exploits and wondering if she loves 'posting' as much as he does?!

KittyAndTheFontanelles Tue 21-May-13 21:13:04

Ha ha grin. Harriet that's so lovely grin. She does indeed. I think we need to get this pair together. I love the giggles. Toddler logic; pasta bookcase.

themidwife Tue 21-May-13 21:13:07

He he Harriet!
My little DooDoo may not have had sootykin fun but she definitely liked posting things, mostly in the bin!! She's finally grown out of it so I don't have to check the bin every day anymore!

KittyAndTheFontanelles Tue 21-May-13 22:00:05

Littlekitty loves putting clean laundry in her wet nappy bin. confused She also has a wastepaper basket outside her room which Jane used as a bin but is purely for her to post into. grin

KittyAndTheFontanelles Tue 21-May-13 22:03:00

Who the crap is Jane? confused I meant isn't used as a bin.

themidwife Tue 21-May-13 23:10:45

You could name the bin Jane Kitty? She could keep Stars' mates company! grin
I used to find shoes, phones, clothes, cups, cutlery - in fact everything I kind of needed in there! She liked the sound of the swing lid! gringrin

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 21-May-13 23:23:15

All these posting antics are making me laugh grin

Here at Vane Towers DH and I are getting on much better and had a nice day! He just off driving to the local garage now on a crisps and chocolate mission, the thought of which is cheering him up no end smile

Someone asked me what DH had - he's had a really painful prostate problem, not dangerous at all, but there is no cure. He's been on various medication and painkillers and gradually weaned himself off. It was so bad at one stage that we had to go to A&E (raging temp etc), but now is down to tiredness and niggling only. We couldn't TTC until he was well and drugs out of his system - July roughly is when we're going to start trying, but we'll have to hope my AF is back by then as currently it's AWOL still! I'm really broody and also nearly 39, so get your skates on body grin

MrsShrek3 Tue 21-May-13 23:30:05

pmsl @ Jane the Bin grin

ds1 was also a "bin-bin" fiend. Everything he wanted "away" went in the bin. including a mobile phone shock the git. we heard it ringing from underneath a cornflake box and some used teabags. awesome.

themidwife Tue 21-May-13 23:40:22

Thank God for the new fortnightly rubbish collections eh?!! grin

themidwife Tue 21-May-13 23:42:05

Glad you & DH getting on better Harriet. Painful prostate - ouchy!!
What's AF (apart from the legendary Any Fucker of course!)

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 21-May-13 23:44:10

Oh sorry - stupid code for cycle - basically I neeeeed to ovulate grin

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 21-May-13 23:45:01

Thanks the midwife - he has been in awful pain sad and has had horrible scans and tests too to check nothing sinister lurking - luckily not.

Minimammoth Tue 21-May-13 23:56:10

Postcard. Lovely view of sun setting over sea.
Dear you lot. Have been having a very restful time, long walks, lots of sleep even afternoon naps. Full control of the remote. no phones or emails and wine. Luv mini.
Unfortunately am back home now but still 'on holiday'. Now have migraine after catching up with SIL on happenings. SS now involved trying to get care for MIL while FIL is still in hospital. I don't think she will agree to being in a care home with 'strangers' though. Don't know what will happen. Have taken med so waiting to feel sleepy.
Love reading about the little sooties. My DGS has just lost his front teeth. Aw.

MrsShrek3 Wed 22-May-13 00:04:52

envy @ mini's postcard

getting home again ...such a b@stard of a thing to have to do RL again. Keep looking at the postcard says I.