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How can we prevent him coming back? (Warning: upsetting content)

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flora123 Fri 15-Feb-13 12:31:54

Hi all,

I'm a regular but have name changed due to the sensitive nature of my post. I am praying some of you out there will be able to help - and apologies in advance for the distressing subject matter, but I am desperate for advice.

A few months ago, a neighbour of mine was convicted of peadophilia and imprisoned for 3 years. The details of his crimes were in the press and are absolutely horrific - the police apparently had him under surveillance due to his internet usage, and basically 'set him up' in order to catch him. His intention was to rape a 2 year old girl and a 7 year old boy: he went somewhere where he thought he would be able to commit this awful crime, but it was a sting operation and the police caught him. His home was raided, and he was found in possession of a vast amount of the highest category of child pornography etc. He lived alone, had no children and is in his mid-60's. The police believe that there are other victims, and appealed for them to come forward.

When this all became public knowledge, everyone on my street was, of course, shocked and horrified. This man had lived on my road for many years, and was generally regarded by most to be a harmless, eccentric loner. Some of the older residents who had known him for many years almost seemed to be in denial about it...

So at the moment, he is, thankfully, in prison. But I am losing sleep over what happens should he ever return to our road once his sentence is over. I have 3 children under 6 and this man's house is directly opposite ours. There are twelve families on our road with children under 10. Three doors down from this man's house, a woman works as a childminder in her house. Obviously, everyone feels deeply worried at the prospect of his return, particularly as there could be the possibility of him getting out early.

I know that there might be no cause for me to be worrying at this stage. He could die in prison, given his age; or he might well choose to live elsewhere once he is released. But I am desperately, desperately concerned that he could return, and I was wondering if there is anything at all that the community can do to prevent this from happening?

I don't want to come across as 'as long as he's not near MY family, that's ok'. Obviously, he is a threat to children wherever he is. However, I do know that he owns his (now sitting empty) house outright, having inherited it from his mother - and, this being London, it is worth a pretty large amount of money. Effectively, it could be sold and he could easily live elsewhere in a place where he is not surrounded by children. A retirement community, for example. I know that, wherever he goes, the police will be monitoring him - but that would not make the families here feel safe or comfortable should he come back. One might argue that you are actually safer if you KNOW where a peadophile is - and can therefore protect your kids accordingly - but I know that I (and many others on my street) would feel on edge constantly, and utterly sickened, should he return.

So - can anything be done? Does the prison service ever ensure that people do not return to their previous addresses once they are released? I was wondering if there is anything we, as a community, can collectively do? Could we, for example, take out some kind of a collective restraining order, given that we feel that he would be a threat to our children? I am also planning to post this in legal, but felt we might get more responses here.

Once again, I am desperate for advice. If there are any steps we can take, I want to get the ball rolling. Thank you so much in advance - I am worried sick.

CailinDana Fri 15-Feb-13 12:36:52

If it were me, I would hound him out of the area and leaflet any area that he moved to in order to warn people. I know that's a terrible thing to do, and I'm not proud of it, but I would do it.

Probably not helpful sorry.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Fri 15-Feb-13 12:44:02

He will not be released until he is judged to not be a danger to anyone. I am sure he will be closely monitored on release too. I would also guess, that given the nature of his crimes he would be rehoused somewhere new where people don't know him, for his own protection.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe Fri 15-Feb-13 12:47:07

He's a threat to your children only if you let him be. Your children are young and you can shield them from him. You don't need to take this out of context - yes, he's a risk. You can make sure everybody knows that he's a risk but they probably know anyway and I expect the police have a policy in place to keep residents safe.

I wouldn't do what the poster above has suggested but I would get together with other parents (that I knew and trusted not to be abusers also) and set up an informal arrangement whereby we watch for each other's children when they're out.

Please don't live in fear of this man, he has no powers of access to your children. Ask the police for advice, your local station is probably being briefed and is geared up to having this man back in the community so will be able to advise you.

flora123 Fri 15-Feb-13 12:51:16

Thanks for response. Things like that have been said by parents living around here - 'well, if he comes back we'll do XYZ to him and MAKE him leave...'

Obviously, emotions were/are running high - but ultimately just planning to persecute him should he return doesn't do much to allay people's fears at the moment.

It does, however, illustrate an important point - everyone on our street knows he is a pedophile: the press even gave his exact address when the story came out. Surely, the authorities would think that in order to minimise the risk of violence against him, it would make sense for him to go elsewhere?

flora123 Fri 15-Feb-13 12:55:21

I hope you're right itsallgoingtobefine.

LyingWitch - unfortunately, I would live in fear if he were to return. I think that is understandable. He could point a long lens camera into my child's bedroom if he wanted to - perhaps he already has, but that doesn't bear thinking about.

The police may have a plan but other than keeping him under house arrest (which of course they can't do), they won't be able to watch him constantly.

I am aware that such risks exist to children everywhere but it's the fact that we know - we want to do something to prevent it.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe Fri 15-Feb-13 12:58:08

It's understandable that you all feel up in arms over his return but that doesn't help you, any of you.

Persecution is not a good thing, he's been dealt with by the courts and the police must have a strategy in place to manage his return - if he's going to. You could ask, as a group, what that strategy is and how will the police help to manage the risk. It's also up to us as parents to do that.

Hysteria and gung-ho attacking serves no purpose whatsoever. Anybody who is violent to him will justifiably find themselves on the wrong side of the law. I'd get some advice from my local police and look at the ways I could make myself and my family feel more secure and safe.

flora123 Fri 15-Feb-13 12:58:13

ps - it'sallgoingtofine - do you know that for a fact about release? Surely a sentence is a sentence, he'll get out once he serves the term whatever?

atacareercrossroads Fri 15-Feb-13 12:58:56

What cailin said with bells on.

A paedophile used to live next door to me when I was younger. The parents did exactly this and he soon fucked off

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Fri 15-Feb-13 12:59:33

I don't know for sure no, someone legal would know.

EldritchCleavage Fri 15-Feb-13 12:59:51

I would go and see your local police about it. I imagine they'd be reasonably sympathetic, and they should be able to explain at least in general terms what the law has the power to do and not do in relation to this man. Once you know that, then if he is released you can lobby police/CPS for those steps to be taken.

Not minimising this horrible situation, but now you do know what he is, and knowledge is power.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe Fri 15-Feb-13 13:01:11

flora.... Really??? Shut the curtains. shock

I understand where you're coming from, I really do. I've spent more time in case conferences than I ever wanted to and I know how the gut disgust battles with commonsense but you can't live like that.

If you say you're going to live in fear then move. If you can't force this man out (and you can't) then you'll need to take the initiative.

Please do try to keep a grip on commonsense though for your childrens' sake. You could have any number of unidentified paedophiles in your neighbourhood. You just know about this one. Have you thought of that?

flora123 Fri 15-Feb-13 13:03:33

I know that, LyingWitch - that's why I'm on here asking for advice. I want to know if there is anything we can do to prevent him returning to our road, where there are dozens of young children. We are within walking distance of several schools also. There are lots of places in the UK where there are not such high numbers of vulnerable children: it would obviously be better if he resided in such a place and not in an area so highly populated by families.

I know what you are saying makes sense but would YOU be ok with him living opposite you, whatever 'strategy' the police might have in place? I doubt it.

flora123 Fri 15-Feb-13 13:06:09

Lying - yes, I have thought about that - as I said in my original post:

One might argue that you are actually safer if you KNOW where a peadophile is - and can therefore protect your kids accordingly - but I know that I (and many others on my street) would feel on edge constantly, and utterly sickened, should he return.

It's that fact that we know that makes it so difficult.

LtEveDallas Fri 15-Feb-13 13:14:39

Flora, you are less at risk from this man than from anyone else.

If he is released and returns to his former home he will we watched, he will be on a register, the police will know where he is and he may even remain under licence.

You cannot force someone out of their home, and neither should you. I understand your feelings, but justice has been served and you do NOT want to put your children at risk by breaking the law yourself.

You say that everyone knows him - that is a GOOD thing, you will be able to see him if he goes somewhere he shouldn't. You can make your concerns known to the police and he will be picked up.

Your children, everyone's children will be safer if you KNOW where he is.

Oh and you say Three doors down from this man's house, a woman works as a childminder in her house and how do you know that she isn't a paedophile? She may have just never been caught, never been convicted. How do your friends know that YOU aren't 'taking photos of their children through their bedroom windows'? You are in more danger from those you DON'T know that those you do.

There is as much evil in this world as there is good. You are lucky - you KNOW where the evil is in your street - I don't.

Pilgit Fri 15-Feb-13 13:19:39

Generally speaking he will serve his sentence and be released. I believe he will only be kept in prison if provision was made at sentencing or he has misbehaved in prison. also worth noting most sentences are not fully served - someone in fir 3 years may be parolled after 18 months for good behaviour - again this will be a provision in the sentence. if he had already taken images of your children I believe you would have been informed (may be wrong there). This is a truly horrid way to view it but your children may be safe from him as he will know he will be easily identified should anything happen. Talk to the police about what happens on release. Knowledge is power. He may also (being optimistic) have obtained counselling and be battling his demons - in which case he may choose to move where there are fewer children or if he doesn't persecuting him may be counterproductive. However I cannot imagine how I would react in your situation and may well be out there with my pitchfork upon his return

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe Fri 15-Feb-13 13:21:25

flora... I'd feel as disoriented and sickened as you. No, I woudn't like him living near me, of course not. I'd feel exactly as you do and angry too. I couldn't live being whipped up in hysteria though. That isn't in anybody's best interests.

The fact that you know gives you power as you said. You can control what happens to your children and this man will have no access to them. He sees them in the street, so what? He can't touch them or speak to them because you'll see to it that he can't. He really has no power at all.

I'm sorry if my posts come across that I'm not sympathetic, I really am - absolutely on your site. I just don't find hand-patting much help so am more inclined towards cold hard logic... but I would feel the same way you do, honestly. smile

LulaPalooza Fri 15-Feb-13 13:24:52

flora, get in touch with your local Community Safety Partnership in the first instance for information about how cases like this are managed. It might reassure you. Contact details here

I agree with those who have said don't take vigilante action and who have pointed out that at least you know about this man and can respond accordingly.

CailinDana Fri 15-Feb-13 13:25:49

IMO a man who sets out to rape a 2 year old is beyond help and needs to be kept in a psychiatric facility until death.

flora123 Fri 15-Feb-13 13:43:15

Thanks for responses so far.

I'm fully aware that it in some ways it could be viewed as safer to KNOW where he is, and protect children accordingly.

But, also KNOWING that a man who fully intended to rape a 2 year old lives directly opposite you is a horrible position to be in. Most of us don't live our lives worrying about what COULD happen - it's the old 'you could be hit by a bus tomorrow' argument, as is the 'well, you don't know the childminder might be a pedophile too' argument. But if this man returns, I will be constantly worrying.

flora123 Fri 15-Feb-13 13:47:07

I am not a lawyer, obviously, but surely we there must be something we can do?

Right now he's in prison so in no way a danger to you. Your local community police will be able to advise you about protecting your DC generally. I think you need to take a few deep breaths: your children are as safe as you can make them and getting into a panic helps no one. He is in prison.

flora123 Fri 15-Feb-13 13:57:12

Thanks solid gold. I do know he's not a danger to us right now, which is great. But what I do want to do is take steps, if I can, to prevent him coming back. The community police might be able to reassure parents that he is being monitored - but I'm afraid that wouldn't be enough to make us feel safe.

What I need to know is, is there is anything that we can legally do? If we need to start contacting lawyers etc I would like to get on with it now, for everybody's sake. I think there would be far more risk of hysteria etc if everyone buries their heads in the sand praying he doesn't come back/dies, and then he creeps back in less than 3 years because he's got time off for 'good behaviour' or is supposedly rehabilitated.

frustratedworkingmum Fri 15-Feb-13 13:58:29

"convicted of paedophilia and imprisoned for 3 years" Now THIS is what is wrong here - this man should never be let out of prison. It doesn't matter that he may not ever DO anything again, i wouldnt want him to even so much as look at my children. I don't think the OP is being hysterical she is asking what she can do, i wouldnt WANT this man living near me and he gave up his rights the minute he commited vile crimes against children.

I would say OP to go and talk to your local police/mp and see what can be done, if there are alot of children in the area they may well not see fit to release him there, but the thought of him being released ANYWHERE makes my blood boil.

LtEveDallas Fri 15-Feb-13 14:02:44

but surely we there must be something we can do?

No, I really don't think there is. He will have served his time, no matter how awful he is, justice will have been done and he is allowed to live out the rest of his life wherever he wishes. Especially if it is his own house.

My MIL lives in a certain area that had what originally was a childrens care home close by - it is within walking distance of 2 local primary schools and one secondary school. In approx 2005 the care home was turned into a 'half way house' type affair for ex cons. This included known paedophiles - they were assigned their own coordinators. The community were up in arms, the home was a target of vandals a number of times and an arsonist once - BEFORE anyone even moved in. There were marches, vigils, petitions and violence.

Nothing changed. Ex cons have been living there for 6 years now, all that happened was that the locals who tried to mete out their own justice now have criminal records of their own.

Local kids know to keep away from the home and to avoid people they don't know. Local tradespeople are now employing some of these guys.

I'm happy to be proved wrong - I'm not a solicitor and have no legal training, but no, AFAIK, there is nothing you can do.

georgedawes Fri 15-Feb-13 14:05:50

I'd move house. I get what everyone is saying but that is what I'd do.

LittleChimneyDroppings Fri 15-Feb-13 14:15:10

Its unlikely he would come back there because of the risks. Although don't forget it is likely that you have other similar people living near you anyway, its just that you don't know about it. Its up to you to be vigilante and protect your children. At least you know who he is, unpleasant as it may seem.

kalidanger Fri 15-Feb-13 14:31:35

An acquaintance of mine is a convicted paedophile and he got fourteen years. He'll never set foot on the street he used to live on, I shouldn't imagine. He lived (and abused) in a small town and he'd be mad (whether he's already 'mad' is another thing...) to go back. That's if he makes it through his sentence hmm

As an aside I, personally, do not condone hounding or street justice.

Finding out about this guy doing such awful things was one of the worst experiences of my life. I've been around, you know, but this shocked me to my core and all the jokes about picking one's jaw off the floor... It was fucking horrible and I took ages to process it, including writing him a letter that I never sent. I didn't even know him that well! So, be kind to yourself as well, OP

kalidanger Fri 15-Feb-13 14:33:19

Edit: An acquaintance of mine was convicted of paedophila, not that I was chums with a paedophile.

flora123 Fri 15-Feb-13 14:38:07

LtEveDallas: of course, people released from prison have done their time, and have to live somewhere. I know I'm coming across as rather Not-in-my-own-back-yard-ish, but this is the situation I'm in, and it's horrifying. Also: one thing to think about - presumably the people in the hostel had nowhere else to go. The pedophile opposite owns his house outright that - I'll come out and say it - has a market value of close to a million pounds. So it's not like he has nothing. He could move to a much more suitable environment - a retirement community, for example.

Thanks to all for responses so far. I have to go pick up my eldest son from school in a moment, but I'll be back.

Narked Fri 15-Feb-13 14:41:50

There's nothing you can do legally. This man will always be dangerous. I would hate to have him next door too and probably move. The sad fact is that there are probably more like him around your area who are more of a danger because they're respected and liked and not viewed as a threat.

flora123 Fri 15-Feb-13 14:47:34

LittleChimney - I so hope you're right!

Kalidanger - thank you, what a horrible thing for you to go through. Luckily I didn't know him particularly well but there are those on the street who were traumatised. Some of the older residents (who now have grown up children) and had known him for 20+ years even seemed rather aggressively in denial about it to the newer families with young children. There was a bit of 'nothing ever happened to our children, maybe the police are wrong' from a few of them. It seemed hurtfully dismissive to the 'newer' families with young children - but I guess they were in total shock.

flora123 Fri 15-Feb-13 14:49:22

Narked - do you know for sure on the legal thing? I am thinking about restraining orders/injunctions, for example.

LtEveDallas Fri 15-Feb-13 14:50:15

I hear you Flora, but the point I was trying to make is that even after a year of protests etc nothing changed. The hostel still opened, there are still convicted paedophiles walking past my MILs front window day in day out. He cannot be forced to sell his home, he cannot be forced to move. If he chooses to come back I don't think that there is anything you could do about it (and if it was as well publicised as you say, he may not be able to find a buyer even if he did want to sell up).

You say he could move to a retirement community. What about visiting grandchildren? The other people in that retirement community wouldn't know his background and wouldn't know to be vigilant - shouldn't they be protected too?

I understand how you feel - more than you realise - but you have to 'get over' this. Feeling scared/worried will eat you up. Direct your energies towards that, because the other way lies madness.

delilahlilah Fri 15-Feb-13 15:03:38

LyingWitch and Eve are speaking a lot of sense. You have the advantage here, knowledge is power. He may not come back as he will be aware that everyone knows what he has done. If he does, then you will be aware and can take steps to keep your children safe. The police and probation services will be watching him. Hounding is a bad thing for many reasons, not least of which is that should he move, then people near him will be unaware and at a disadvantage. Also, he may succeed on concealing himself from the police and probation people if he goes into hiding.
I do think there need to be better plans in place for these people, but it is a very complicated issue.
Realistically Flora, your children are safer after his release than they were before his arrest, if you see what I mean.

LilyontheLeaf Fri 15-Feb-13 15:10:45

Hi Flora,

Firstly I am very sorry for the situation you and your family find yourselves in. What a horrible shock.

This man will be released from prison after serving half of his sentence. He will then spend the rest of his sentence on "licence" and be supervised by the Probation Service.

There was an excellent programme on the BBC iplayer a couple of weeks ago about the Probation Service and their management of sex offenders - look it up.

His behaviour will then be monitored in one of two ways:
1) Through conditions on his licence - which may well be not to approach children / linger near parks etc

2) Through something called a Sexual Offences Prevention Order. This would have been given to him at his sentencing and is, in effect, an ASBO for sex offenders. It means that if they do certain things (like access the internet, for example) they are liable to arrest and punishment.

I would start by contacting Victim Support. They may be able to assist you in finding out whether a SOPO was imposed at sentencing. You can also express your concerns to your local probation service, although of course, they will only become involved in release.

In reality, unless he has abused a child in the neighbourhood, he will be allowed to return to the house if he wishes to. The PP are correct to say that he is actually less of a risk to you - as you will keep your children far from him.

You and your neighbours should be very careful to engage in any vigilante type behaviour - harassment is a criminal offence, no matter how odious the victim.

Hope that helps a bit.

izzyizin Fri 15-Feb-13 15:12:05

He will not be released until he is judged to not be a danger to anyone

This is incorrect, ItsAll. This man has been sentenced to 3 years in prison and, providing he does not blot his copybook while he's a guest of Her Maj, he will be released in little more than a year and earlier if any time he may have spent remanded in custody is required to be taken into account.

On release he'll be free to live where he wishes and there's nothing you, or any other members of your community, can do about this, Flora. Indeed, if you were to be seen fomenting bad feeling about him returning to his home, you may find yourself on the wrong end of the law.

It may be he'll elect to move elsewhere but, in the absence of any 'for sale' signs being erected on his property, you're best advised to content yourself with 'better the paedophile you know than the one you don't'.

There is an old adage in urban areas about never being more than x metres away from a rat but, as it's probable that the distance between you and a human member of the genus rattus is considerably less, this man is not the only paedophile who lived/lives in your locality and the ones who haven't been identified should be of more concern to you that one who is known to the police.

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EldritchCleavage Fri 15-Feb-13 15:34:37

I don't think you could get a civil injunction on the basis of his criminal conviction alone, flora. I think you'd only get one if he indulged in some worrying behaviour after release.

Cassarick Fri 15-Feb-13 16:15:03

flora - "he could move to a retirement community". You are assuming that people in that community would be happy - why should they be any happier than you are?

izzyizin Fri 15-Feb-13 16:37:06

I don't know how long you've lived opposite this man's property, but it seems that others have co-existed with him for many years during which time he has apparently not posed any danger to children in the immediate vicinity.

As it stands, this man has done you and yours no harm and you have no grounds whatsoever on which to apply for injunctions or restraining Orders and the like.

Be very careful, Flora. I wouldn't want you to receive a police harassment warning, or be required to make an appearance in a criminal Court of Law because a known paedophile had cause for complaint about your behaviour.

Selba Fri 15-Feb-13 16:45:03

I work in a prison.
it is choc full of people who have committed terrible crimes that the world at large knows nothing about.

You are already rubbing shoulders with ex offenders everywhere you go.

flora123 Fri 15-Feb-13 19:20:52

Thanks to all who've replied with supportive and useful info. Lily - very interesting. It alarms me greatly that being sentenced to prison for X years means you actually get half that time inside? That seems insane to me. I'll try to find out what applies to him.

To those who've warned against any vigilante type behaviour - I don't think I'd be posting here asking for advice if I thought we'd solve the problem by going round with pitchforks! As I keep explaining, it is more about if we can do anything to help prevent him returning in advance of his release. Interestingly a woman in legal said that she was aware of a case where an abuser was banned from going within X miles of the village in which he'd previously lived....

Again, this man is a threat wherever he goes. But I don't think it is ''better" to know, and for him to return here. It means a) the families in the vicinity are constantly on edge and b) he himself is more at risk from vigilante attacks.

And, call me naive, but this 'well, there is so much danger out there anyway" attitude isn't hugely helpful. I don't believe there are pedophiles lurking around every corner: I would say the plotting of such a heinous crime (rape of a toddler) is thankfully RARE. And I don't believe that it makes sense for such a criminal to live in a community so densely populated by families and schools - just as one might not think it's the best idea for a recovering alcoholic to work in a pub. Yes, he'll remains paed wherever he goes, but the less kids who are in his vicinity, the better, surely?

Any more advice would be greatly appreciated.

FarBetterNow Fri 15-Feb-13 20:11:32

Flora, I think he only got three years because thankfully there wasn't a victim, except the poor kids he was viewing on the internet.
Personally, I think his perversion is incurable and he should be locked up forever.
I find Lying Witch's POV quite naive, if convicted paedophiles were only released when they were safe, why in God's name do they reoffend?

I have read of a case of a paedophile begging not to ever be released, because he knew he would not be able to control his urges. They ignored him, released him and within a week had raped another child. In that case I consider them to be as guilty as him.

Maybe, get in touch with the local probation Office as they will be responsible for him on his release - though no doubt they will cite Data Protection if they don't want to talk to you.

They decide if he is able to live at his home again or not.

wordyBird Fri 15-Feb-13 20:28:30

I know there can be a huge gulf between what ought to happen, and what does. And that authorities do not always make the most sensible or fair decisions.

Is there any way you could be comfortable living there, if he was released back to his home? This is not about how you ought to feel, but how you do feel.

If you would not be comfortable living there, and this is perfectly ok if you feel like that - could you consider moving? Given that, if you move there might be other issues where you move to. And there might not. It's expensive but if you are able, it is an option, though not without risk in itself.

LtEveDallas Fri 15-Feb-13 20:40:45

If OP cannot bear the thought of living across the road from this man, then she has no choice but to move. Rather than fight a losing battle with the authorities, living across from him when he is released and being unable to sell because she has to disclose issues with neighbours, she needs to put her house on the market now.

A sentence of 3 years means that he will be out after 18 months if he has behaved himself inside, less time already served pre-sentence.

The man that killed my brother got 3 years, he was out after 20 months.

GypsyTart Fri 15-Feb-13 20:47:56

He probably will return to live in his own house. You'll be able to tell your children not to go anywhere near him and that should probably be that. He shouldn't be hounded out of an area where everyone knows what he is to an area where no one knows what he is.

dondon33 Fri 15-Feb-13 21:03:33

My initial reaction to reading the OP was to move but having read all the posts and thinking about it I honestly feel, in your shoes, I wouldn't risk moving to an area where I didn't know the location of paedophiles.
Yes it will be horrible and upsetting to see him return but you have the advantage of being able to warn and protect your children and others in the area against this sicko.
Hopefully he'll want to sell up and move somewhere else on his release but he'll be on the sex offs register so still won't be able to live near schools etc... and it's strange how people sometimes just 'find out' about a persons history when they move to a totally new area.

flora123 Fri 15-Feb-13 21:57:54

Thanks dundon- but surely in most areas, most of us don't know the location of any paedophiles?

flora123 Fri 15-Feb-13 22:01:04

Sorry, posted too early- my point is, I think it's quite rare that people live in a community with a known paedophile? I'm not saying what is 'safer' at this point - but I'm curious as to what you mean?

Also about the sex offenders list and schools - there are 3 primary schools within 10 minutes of this guy's house.

flora123 Fri 15-Feb-13 22:03:21

Ps - evedallas, am so sorry about your brother. That sounds terrible.

izzyizin Fri 15-Feb-13 22:24:41

It isn't at all rare for people to live near a known paedophile.

The fact that there are 3 primary schools within 10 minutes of this particular offender's home is unlikely to have any bearing on his right to return to his own property as he was found guitly of intent rather than an actual act of sexual abuse of a child.

Had he been found guity of sexual abuse of a child or children, he would have received a significantly longer sentence and more stringent conditions would be applied to him on release.

As it is, once he's done his time it's probable he will resume occupation of his own home and may, or may not, move out of the area of his own volition. FWIW, the only 'supervision' he's likely to receive will be in the form of compliance with ViSOR requirements.

I'm extremely sorry for your loss, LtEve. The law in such matters leaves much to be desired sad

flora123 Fri 15-Feb-13 22:51:46

But surely the majority of paedophiles, upon release from prison, would not choose to live surrounded by people who know the nature of their past crimes? Do any of you live on a street where there is someone you know for sure is a paedophile? I wouldn't think this was a common situation whatsoever!

izzyizin Fri 15-Feb-13 23:02:44

Where do you think they're going to live, Flora? On an island populated by their own kind? In common with many other offenders, some of whom have committed heinous (in my view) crimes, the majority of sex offenders return to their usual stamping ground.

I know of 2 convicted paedophiles and 3 convicted sex offenders living within a 100 metre radius of my house which is in one of the more salubrious parts of the capital.

Frankly, I'd rather know than not know if my neighbours are not be what they seem to be as knowledge always has been, and always will be, power.

For this reason, I'm an advocate of Megan's Law coming into force in the UK.

FeistyLass Fri 15-Feb-13 23:11:23

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

WaterBiscuit Fri 15-Feb-13 23:27:56

Could someone help me with a definition of paedophilia here? As far as I know it isn't actually a statutory crime. Just saying . . . everyone needs to be careful with definitions, there's a wide range of statutory sexual offences not all of which are "serious". It does nobody any favours for all offenders to be lumped together as "paedophiles". Only a tiny minority pose a real danger. Vigilante action will only have the effect of shifting the problem and makng the ex-offender less likely to comply with whatever supervision/rehabilitation order s in place -effectively going "underground" and thereby posing more of a (unknown, socially disenfranchised, disengaged, hopeless) risk. Counter-intuitive though it may seem, re-integration and rehabilitation is probably the best bet with most ex-offenders, in terms of minimising risk and maximising compliance.

flora123 Fri 15-Feb-13 23:32:45

Izzy - my point was that I think it's a pretty rare situation, to know exactly where offenders are and have them living in such close proximity. Does everyone around you know also? I'm trying to gague how a community might ''cope' with this.

Feisty Lass- thank you. That is interesting....there is of course the argument that it's safer to know (as it may have been in the case of your sister's village). But there is also the argument that it's better for all concerned should a known offender not return to his previous abode - as was agreed by many was the case near your work...interesting and good to know.

flora123 Fri 15-Feb-13 23:36:07

Water biscuit - unfortunately the police believe that our neighbour was/is a very serious threat to children and had committed abuse in the past.

WaterBiscuit Fri 15-Feb-13 23:48:50

Flora, sorry my post was more of a general nature. Absolutely accept that the person in this case has been convicted of one or more offences. I meant more generally, the level of threat he poses after his sentence is served may be affected by the sort of environment into which he is released.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe Sun 17-Feb-13 14:31:59

FarBetterNow... I didn't say that they're only released when they're cured. I don't believe that they're EVER cured. Some can put themselves out of harm's way and reduce the likelihood but it's down to parents and custodians of the children to keep them safe and out of reach.

As I said, I spent much time in case conferences and I hated every minute of it because it's not a forgiveable crime if there are such things, just like the crime of raping and killing elderly people. Despicable and beyond reason. Child-focused crimes receive more publicity.

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