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Why are so many people up at this hour ?

(1000 Posts)
SummerDad Sun 27-Jan-13 01:25:39

Just wondering ...

MyLastDuchess Sun 27-Jan-13 01:26:32

Feeding the baby.

chocoreturns Sun 27-Jan-13 01:26:39

personally because im miserable and stressed out. You?

feellikearubbishmummy Sun 27-Jan-13 01:27:06

Just took daughters boyfriend home smile

SummerDad Sun 27-Jan-13 01:29:28

"personally because im miserable and stressed out. You?"

Ditto and because I am watching Chronicles of Narnia nth time now grin

joanofarchitrave Sun 27-Jan-13 01:31:20

Because dh is depressed and anxious and needs me to hold his hand all the time and I know that I am neglecting ds, which dh can't see because depression is such a fucking selfish illness that eats who you really are away. And I am having to sew my lips shut not to scream out loud with feeling overcrowded and empathied out during the day. So I'm up eating the contents of the fridge and watching Borgen and drinking and doing anything I can think of to feel better. Guess I don't have the depression excuse for being selfish.

luisgarcia Sun 27-Jan-13 01:31:33

12 week old is crying, 2 yo is not settling, neighbours are partying.

I used to party.

luisgarcia Sun 27-Jan-13 01:32:20

{{joanofarchitrave }}

MirandaWest Sun 27-Jan-13 01:32:43

Been on the phone to my bf and in bed now. Will go to sleep quite soon

OnceUponAThyme Sun 27-Jan-13 01:33:05

Dh is in the shower after work and I have insomnia. so planning to bore him with trivial chat after he's come to bed. I'm considerate like that grin

StickEmWithThePointyEnd Sun 27-Jan-13 01:33:55

Also miserable and stressed. Really tired but feel like I spend all my time being tired at the moment.

I'm on the phone to my sister and we are watching a film together (we're watching the same film in our respective homes if that makes sense).

dummad Sun 27-Jan-13 01:37:48

Am pissed.

chocoreturns Sun 27-Jan-13 01:38:55

I'm sad so many of us are miserable and stressed. (((hugs)))

achillea Sun 27-Jan-13 01:39:51

Night time is me time.

Because my DH is working in another country and I hate sleeping without him.

cafecito Sun 27-Jan-13 01:44:52

Because I just got home, I now am eating a coconut kitkat chunky, with a cup of tea, having a shower, and am about to get a night bus to a hospital

<fun times>

cafecito Sun 27-Jan-13 01:45:23

I cannot taste any coconut in it - bit disappointing really!

joanofarchitrave Sun 27-Jan-13 01:57:09

Coconut Kitkat Chunky?? What marvels occur while you're boycotting a company.

I really want a Bounty now.

cafecito Sun 27-Jan-13 02:07:31

it was very disappointing. I feel kitkat remorse. [hangs head in shame]

ever tried a bounty bar, frozen? or dark choc bounty - SO good

joanofarchitrave Sun 27-Jan-13 02:10:05

Ooh frozen bounty. Hmm. Would I let it defrost a bit or just break my teeth on it...

garlicblocks Sun 27-Jan-13 02:16:42

Lots of sympathy to the stressed, distressed and depressed.

While I'm usually all of the above, Mumsnet has just explained my nocturnal habit! I've got delayed sleep phase disorder! All my life, I never knew ...

So, uh, I'm up because it's not my sleep time yet smile

garlicblocks Sun 27-Jan-13 02:17:26

Joan, slice it!

Tryharder Sun 27-Jan-13 02:19:11

Just haven't bothered going to bed. Was watching Buffy on Lovefilm and then chatting to DH. He is depressed as well about work and life choices. Am trying to be the voice of sympathy and reason but not easy!

cafecito Sun 27-Jan-13 02:23:19

it would melt in your mouth in all its bounty goodness

garlic - I have that too!!

Monty27 Sun 27-Jan-13 02:24:24

I just watched 2 films with exp, we're friends. He's gone home now. (he would have stayed had I let him but it's two plus years gone, it had been 13 years). As much as I was broken hearted at the time. I don't really want him back. Too late mate sad

Still feel sad and lonely. But won't do heartbreak ever again.

Anyway, when I've finished my cig and beer. I'm off to bed. smile

controlaltdelete Sun 27-Jan-13 02:25:56

In a different time zone.

PictureMeInThese Sun 27-Jan-13 02:26:24

garlic, thanks for sharing that link. That is what I have. It follows years of random day and night shifts.

garlicblocks Sun 27-Jan-13 02:34:09

If the world would just catch up with itself and stay open 24 hrs, we'd be sorted. In fact, we'd be in high demand as we're the scarce resource!

Early to bed, early to rise my arse. <huffs>

Can't sleep, too much to think/worry about, so thought I'd make use of the time by responding to f*wit exH's application for a contact order while I'm in a bad mood angry

giraffesCantEatNHSPotatoes Sun 27-Jan-13 02:47:58

Just had sex and now my Poor lungs are not Happy!

olympicvibes Sun 27-Jan-13 02:48:01

Still angry that my dp's father drove us back from another city about 1 1/2 hours away doing 110 mph..
I'm 30 Weeks pregnant. He scared the absolute shit out of me and now I have painful tum n can't sleep. Test.

olympicvibes Sun 27-Jan-13 02:49:35

Test=twat. Auto correct cack!

cafecito Sun 27-Jan-13 03:14:35

postmanpat- my f*wit ex is doing the same hmm just out of spite

garlic yes yes yes- why is everything closed!? I have an encyclopaedic knowledge of all night places in London, few and far between though (like coffee shops etc). tssk

giraffes- did you aspirate something?

cafecito Sun 27-Jan-13 03:16:07

olympic- don't blame you, really not necessary, hope you get some sleep soon. So the kitkate has delayed my bus journey in the night, I am now working at home (won't be popular) but it's icy cold rain outside and I'd rather download ancient madonna songs and prance about on a chocolate high.. I mean, work.. yes, work... arf

Insomnia. Just had some tea and toast grin.


Stressed. Stress makes me incredibly tired and unable to sleep all at once. I could be depressed. Been crying a bit at sad programmes but it wasnt really them I was crying at iyswim.


sillymillyb Sun 27-Jan-13 03:42:01

my son obviously has that delayed sleep phase thing too.... yawn sad

Grumpla Sun 27-Jan-13 03:56:26

Just fed the baby, DS woke up whilst I was in there and started asking me why I was wearing Daddy's dressing gown. Because I'm so fucking exhausted that I picked up the wrong one sweetheart. He was WIDE awake so doesn't seem much point kicking DH to stop him snoring as DS will probably be in here in a few minutes standing creepily by the bed and poking my eyeballs if I don't wake up fast enough.

But these are small problems compared to some of you guys, I hope that you get some sleep and some better times ahead.

ipswichwitch Sun 27-Jan-13 04:07:24

Because this fecking loud wind has woken DS for the umpteenth time nd my arms are so tired from repeated settling attempts I've brought him downstairs, stuck him in the pushchair and rocked him to sleep. Now figuring out how to get him out and back into his cot without waking him or falling over with tiredness. Bastard wind. Worse than snow, at least that's quiet!

ifancyashandy Sun 27-Jan-13 04:11:29

Cold (bug not temperature) induced insomnia / inability to breathe work me up at 2.30am. Started MN (fatal) and am enjoying listening to howling wind & rain. Waiting for the Olbas Oil to penetrate my foggy brain and sinuses.

Midwife99 Sun 27-Jan-13 04:18:15

Because the rain is lashing very loudly on the window & I have shoulder & foot pain +++++!!!! Sigh!!

MrsShrek3 Sun 27-Jan-13 04:26:28

another one signing in grin

phantomhairpuller Sun 27-Jan-13 04:31:59

Because I'm 27weeks pregnant, staying at MILs in an uncomfortable bed (when I already struggle to get comfy cos of my bump) and my bloody brain won't fecking switch off hmm

Morebiscuitsplease Sun 27-Jan-13 04:39:25

dH woke me up twice, shouting in his sleep. sad then lashing wind and rain kep me awame. My car was stolen so am thinking of all the things needed to do as well as planning for lack of wheels. Rang mum in Oz and now on MN drinking hot choc.... May read my book as it is rather good.

Because I am at work. Again. And I am stressed out because I am have a week off next week bur SO much to do I really don't know how I'm going to get it all done.

Tonight is overtime. I have only had 2 days off in January because I am about to have the most expensive 5 months of my life due to:

Dsis's milestone birthday
3 Hen weekends
2 weddings (thankfully number 3 is abroad with a reception next year)
Car MOT and tax in the same week
Moving house next week.

Someone spat at me earlier.

It's still 2 hours till home time. And I have to come back tomorrow.


HermioneE Sun 27-Jan-13 05:13:05

Blimey bluesuede, why did someone spit at you? sad

Am awake because 36+5 and woke up to pee, then bump decided to start kicking, then the rain and wind kept me awake, and now have just generally woken up. Grrr.

Anyone fancy a brew? I never noticed before that that mug has the MN logo on it.

ravenAK Sun 27-Jan-13 05:17:04

Working all night on stuff for teaching - a load of resources for GCSE Eng Lit poetry.

Will be grabbing a few hours' sleep once dh gets up & takes dc swimming, then have a set of reports to write.

Bertrude Sun 27-Jan-13 05:25:16

Different time zone here too, so at my desk at work sad

Sunday mornings really frustrate me, because I'm up for work at 1am UK time and by the time I get to my desk and check faceache (3am your time) my timeline is full of drunken photos and status updates from friends back home, and I'm up for a week at work.

BubblesAndBeans Sun 27-Jan-13 05:30:33

We are up because just before 4 we were woken up by a loud dh went to check in the sitting room, where the noise had come from and a big window by the balcony had shattered completely but not yet fallen out. He rang the police because we thought someone wastrying to break in and i went to the flat next door with a very confused dd, who had been fast asleep up to that point. Anyway, to cut a long story short, when my dh checked the outside window ( double glazing) it turned out the outside was completely intact. Whenwe rang the police back to call off the unit they were going to send out, they told us that they have heard it happening before with double glazing and has something to do with difference between outside and inside temp.
The glass still hasnt fallen out so hopefully they can come to fix it before it does.
Dd now fallen asleep again, dh on the couch to keep an eye on events and me, wide awake and unable to sleep smile

Labootin Sun 27-Jan-13 05:35:22

I'm sitting on a beach in the Maldives it's 10.35am here.

muddyboots Sun 27-Jan-13 05:58:01

My bed is full of children - but thankfully not my 'D'H. He is in his new bedroom downstairs!

I am lying along the foot of the bed whilst my 3 DCs snuggle up together taking up all the space. At least they're comfortable...

Still up...have been awake and up since 12.47am!

Court docs all finished, and f*wit exH is SO going to regret filing that application! He has named his girlfriend as the other applicant for the contact order, and that means she gets a copy of everything I say in response. He has opened a can of worms that will never fit back in the can, and she will know all sorts of things he would never have told her himself. I suspect he forgot to mention his emotional, financial and sexual abuse of me during our marriage, and his ongoing emotional abuse of the children, although I know she's had hints of the latter. DDs report that he is a different person altogether when his GF is around!

waitingtobeamummy Sun 27-Jan-13 06:11:07

Gall bladder scar inside hurting. Been nearly a year since I had it out but if I get really stressed/lesve it too long to wee it sets it off like the original pain. This time it was the wee! Waiting for buscopan to kick in

Woken by the rain. Thought DH had gone mad and was having a nocturnal shower! Now can't sleep as we're at the PIL's holiday flat and I'm co-sleeping with two dds in a double bed. I have a space the size of a postage stamp to lie on and I am not the size of a postage stamp. At home we have a very big bed so much easier.

Sorry to those of you awake for shitty reasons sad

I am up to go to work, I will not finish until at least 7pm tonight. It is going to be a long day.

BikeRunSki Sun 27-Jan-13 06:19:16

Because DD is the worst sleeper in the world, and at 15 months still sleeps and wakes every few hours like a newborn. She's been up 3 times in the night. At 6am I gave up in trying to sleep and got up. Am also full of cold.

TheFallenNinja Sun 27-Jan-13 06:22:44

Trying to track down the local cat who has been through the cat flap and sprayed my furniture. I'm going to wring its neck when I get hold of the little bleeder.

HermioneE The charming gentleman spat at me because I asked him nicely to take a seat in the waiting room and wait his turn. His friend told me to go fuck myself. I luffs my job!

brew Oh! It's the logo! I thought it was supposed to be a tea leaf. Which I now realise is really stupic because it's blue... blush

Labootin you lucky lucky moo! envy

LtEveDallas Sun 27-Jan-13 06:29:02

The dog woke me up at 5am. I thought she wanted to go out, but no, she just wanted me to get up so she could take my place in the bed! Bloody dog.

ifancyashandy Sun 27-Jan-13 10:54:19

I finally got back to sleep at 6am. So that was roughly 4 hrs I was awake for. Urgh. Woke up again at 10. Am praying it hasn't totally buggered up my sleeping pattern as I'm about to do 14 days straight through at work when I'll be leaving the house at 7am and getting home after 9pm. Double sodding urgh.

MrsShrek3 Mon 28-Jan-13 01:11:47

anyone else making it two in a row?

AnyFucker Mon 28-Jan-13 01:15:40

I don't need much kip (insomniac)

I had sex an hour ago and still wired

DH snoring away.

I don't need to get up in the morning until i feel like (will probs be around 9:30, so getting enough sleep really)

AnyFucker Mon 28-Jan-13 01:15:58

feel like it

Yup. Im sick, DPs sick, the baby is sick.

There will be very little sleep here tonight.

HazeltheMcWitch Mon 28-Jan-13 01:17:55

Ooh, ta for the DSPD link. I have self-diagnosed, er, myself, as having that also.

MrsShrek3 Mon 28-Jan-13 01:22:03

lucky you AF, but that's bragging wink

eww to sick people, poor you!

gandaulf Mon 28-Jan-13 01:25:38

The Same.

LineRunner Mon 28-Jan-13 01:30:35

I'm not well again. V boring.

PigletJohn Mon 28-Jan-13 01:35:51

worked late session last night and bio clock out of order.

NewRowSees Mon 28-Jan-13 01:39:50

Nocturnal 6 week old wide awake and wanting feeding. About to seek MN collective wisdom for advice. Fear it might be one of those things that will correct itself in time.

MrsShrek3 Mon 28-Jan-13 01:42:18

Those of us who are nocturnal with happily sleeping children should round up all these nocturnal babies with knackered mothers, right? Sounds logical to me grin

Yep, I'm at work again. Tis very very dull tonight.

On the plus side, no-one has spat at me so far.


HermioneHatesHoovering Mon 28-Jan-13 01:44:30

"Cos it's mid afternoon here! wink

Letmeintroducemyself Mon 28-Jan-13 01:45:01

breastfed baby

stress, lots and lots of stress

DH away - see above re stress

breastfed baby

stress lots and lots of stress, etc

squeakytoy Mon 28-Jan-13 01:59:35

I am up because I have a flight to the USA in the morning and I am too excited to sleep!

Lueji Mon 28-Jan-13 02:02:53

I've just finished work (late from home) and I'm trying to unwind

izzyizin Mon 28-Jan-13 02:17:33

Have a good flight, squeaky, and enjoy your trip Stateside.

squeakytoy Mon 28-Jan-13 02:21:02

I am terrified lol!!! I am meeting my birth mother for the first time... and my aunt, and my cousins.. who are all meeting me at the airport!

bran Mon 28-Jan-13 02:33:57

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

HeavenlyWineandRoses Mon 28-Jan-13 02:48:05

Feeding the baby who has just woken up 45 mins after the last feed confused.

izzyizin Mon 28-Jan-13 02:57:48

Aw, squeaky, that is just WONDERFUL! How exciting for you - it's going to be one absofuckinglutely AMAZING journey in many more ways than a hundred one grin

If it's your first time in the US you are going to be blown away by the country and you are going to have the BEST time with your biological relatives, who will go out of their way to make you feel right at home Uncle Sam style.

I'm over the moon for you and can't wait to read an account of your incredible adventure... please start a thread here on your return.

Squeaky Ooh how exciting! Where abouts are you going? Have you spoken to them much before hand?

I second the request for a thread when you come back! Have an AWESOME time! grinthanks

izzyizin Mon 28-Jan-13 03:15:19

I'm up because I'm a night owl and often mumsnet work late into the night, skype with my folks in the States, other relatives down under, and assorted friends around the globe, while London sleeps. However, tonight I'm waiting for painkillers to kick in and ease my troubled knee so I can hobble up the wooden stairs to Bedfordshire.

I'm slowly getting my brain round the unpalatable fact that a replacement may be required. If all of the various potions and alternative remedies I'm necking don't do the business, I'll be booking a flight home and checking in for surgery in the not too distant future.

At this rate I might be temporarily leaving the UK on squeaky's return plane, presupposing that she decides to come back smile

PS anyone know of a miracle cure for osteoarthritis of the knee? Or even half a cure? <sob>

HelloBear Mon 28-Jan-13 03:30:12

Baby won't sleep, just screams every time put him down.

Watched Twilight new moon with him in arms, 2 unsuccessful put downs and now sat listening to my DH snoring.

Need sleep

Yakshemash Mon 28-Jan-13 03:40:15

Insomnia. Have to be up in three hours for work. <bangs head>

jynier Mon 28-Jan-13 03:48:34

Am going through deep grief.

Best wishes squeaky and thanks to AF for the succinct reminder of what I will never have again!

HeavenlyWineandRoses Mon 28-Jan-13 04:17:49

Awake again. Baby feeding again and now has done a massive poo which sounds like it might have shot up her back therefore requiring a bath and full outfit change. I am too nervous to look.

Just re-read last few posts. Squeaky, that's so amazing. Best of luck. Can you update us to let us know how you get on?

Good luck to me with this nappy change.

HeavenlyWineandRoses Mon 28-Jan-13 04:18:44

jynier, sorry for your loss.

deleted203 Mon 28-Jan-13 04:19:30

Insomnia. Rarely sleep before about 3.00am.

Another insomniac here. Given up tossing and turning - need to be up in 2 hours anyway!

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Mon 28-Jan-13 04:47:42

Feeding baby for the 3rd time tonight. Been up since 4 this time.

MrsShrek3 Mon 28-Jan-13 07:25:32

Yaks and pickle,did you bother to get any sleep?
(I sat in bed for a couple of hours, but did an all nighter. still not tired)

jynier Tue 29-Jan-13 02:47:41

Another sleepless night! Thank you heavenly.

cafecito Tue 29-Jan-13 02:49:24

Hi jynier, I am up all night. I've started to realise, maybe I should become officially nocturnal

cafecito Tue 29-Jan-13 02:52:17

sorry for your loss jynier- I am also bereaved (quite a few in quick succession) but the main, truly dreadful one is nearly 4 years ago now and still partly the reason I cannot sleep. but I was always upside down with sleeping so it's not entirely that. have you been to your GP?

SummerDad Tue 29-Jan-13 03:04:47

Just watched sleepless in Seattle, looks like I grow old and die watching movies alone smile

I wish I could have someone loving lying next to me ...

SummerDad Tue 29-Jan-13 03:06:08

I am such a needy hopeless soul ...

cafecito Tue 29-Jan-13 03:08:10

love that movie!

cafecito Tue 29-Jan-13 03:08:26

I am in a library

SummerDad Tue 29-Jan-13 03:12:29

cafecito, which library would be open at this time apart from some uni etc smile what are you doing there hehe

SummerDad Tue 29-Jan-13 03:16:33

may be I should try to sleep have work at 8 in the morning. No idea what I keep waiting for every night till I get dead tired and just fall asleep.

cafecito Tue 29-Jan-13 03:17:27

drawing immunoglobulins :p I'm in a hospital. I can't remember when I last slept grin toddler is shipped off for a couple weeks - thus working (MNing) odd hours

it's oh so peaceful, love it

cafecito Tue 29-Jan-13 03:18:34

SummerDad I do that too (on a normal, non library night) I stay up til I am SO TIRED I go to bed and fall asleep- I never ever go to bed like a normal person.
new year's resolution with me?

cafecito Tue 29-Jan-13 03:19:00

sleep well!

SummerDad Tue 29-Jan-13 03:21:42

cafecito I was trying to sleep and was thinking what kind of library would be open at this time , could not resist to check on the next message now I am hooked up to the laptop again ...

SummerDad Tue 29-Jan-13 03:24:10

I hate to admit this but I would sleep well snuggled up with someone I love, seems impossible though smile still can try to have a new year resolution wont hurt i guess grin

ladyWordy Tue 29-Jan-13 03:26:35

SummerDad, 03:04 - the day will come...

Izzy....I know it's a terrifying thought. But the technology keeps improving, it's not like it used to be. Go on, try to book it before you think about it anymore! It will change your life. It changed the life of someone dear to me.

... I am up because .. I function that way...;)

cafecito Tue 29-Jan-13 03:30:42

no no it can't be impossible!! Keep visualising it and it will happen (yes, I believe all that)

I'm obvs not the snuggly sort I take great pleasure in sleeping with my head on a desk in a library for 30 mins before doing a coffee dash. I sometimes think a relationship with someone I love would be really nice, but I'm just too busy. Or maybe I am deliberately too busy. hmm. One day I'd like that too. with rain beating on the windows outside, snuggly under a duvet

they say screens can meddle with sleep? maybe we should have a computer ban after midnight? this will clearly be impossible

SummerDad Tue 29-Jan-13 03:31:08

thanks ladyWordy I am being a bit of a moaner again tonight hehe

Tearsforfears Tue 29-Jan-13 03:33:31

Stressed and sad, horrible dreams.

SummerDad Tue 29-Jan-13 03:35:31

cafecito you sound like a very studious person smile Well, rain is beating on the windows outside and I am snuggled in the duvet, still something missing, lemme think wink

ban the screen after midnigh shock can't even think of that ...

SummerDad Tue 29-Jan-13 03:36:19

I am sorry to hear that Tearsforfears.

cafecito Tue 29-Jan-13 03:43:55

no I'm not studious at all, this is why I am here in an exam panic grin I am too good at doing nothing for 6 months and procrastinating hugely then thinking 'aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh' I think I work better under pressure anyway.

tearsforfears sorry to hear about nightmares I have them sometimes it actually puts me off going to bed in the first place.

Oblomov Tue 29-Jan-13 03:49:09

I am awake, crying over my closet friend who recently dumped me. I see her everyday in the playground and thus it is like rubbing salt into the wounds. Every now and then I wake up , in the middle of the night and just have a little cry about it.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Tue 29-Jan-13 03:50:48

I'm hear again with my little grompher. I've just been drawing immunoglobulins too cafe ; mine all had wigs on and one had a top hat and cane because he was fancy..

Do.any of you do the ABC game to help you sleep? It works for me (not the same as a.loving clutch though, summerdad )

tearsforfears how awful sad

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Tue 29-Jan-13 03:54:20

Oh oblomov I'm sorry that happened to you. sad

That must be so difficult

cafecito Tue 29-Jan-13 03:54:54

I've added a top hat to my surface antigen picture

Lostonthemoors Tue 29-Jan-13 03:55:24

Awake because DS )18 months) had croupy cough. I've eased it by getting him upright lying against me propped up on pillows and will stay awake until it is definitely under control.

He has a horrid cold and is susceptible to croup sad

Lostonthemoors Tue 29-Jan-13 03:56:23

Cafe I used to share a flat with a medic - was fun smile you are taking me back!

Lostonthemoors Tue 29-Jan-13 03:57:05

Oblomov, really sorry to hear that sad please have an un MN hug from me.

Tearsforfears Tue 29-Jan-13 03:57:23

kitty what is the ABC game, any help trying to get to sleep greatly appreciated.

SummerDad Tue 29-Jan-13 04:06:48

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles, sounds tempting hahaha

what's this ABC game?

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Tue 29-Jan-13 04:11:05

cafe and doesn't he it look smarter? grin

hi tears , well you think of a category, like, bands or comedy programs or films or something, then go through the alphabet trying to assign one to each letter
A= Absolutely
B=Black books and so on.

It works for me because it quietens my mind and focusses it. Then I find myself slipping into that good night.... I give myself parameters too like I have to get 3 of each letter or they have to be ones I like.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Tue 29-Jan-13 04:16:43

I been playing it so long now, my trouble is coming up with categories. It has to be something you can feasibly get one for letter if the alphabet for but not too easy so you race through it. The key is in searching your brain for that band beginning with k or whatever and suddenly you wake up because --your baby wants booby-
- its morning

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Tue 29-Jan-13 04:18:41

Oh lostonthemoors your poor little mite

Is there a doctor in the house? wink

cafecito Tue 29-Jan-13 04:31:06

that's quite a good way to ease anxiety as well kitty - good one! (or I can offer you an interesting article from a GIT journal on the small intestine, or worse, a HUGE textbook on teeny mechanisms in membranes of .. stuff... instant sleep

I find trying to stay awake = I get tired confused

lostonthemoors poor DS and poor you. Good that sharing with a medic didn't rub off on you too much - I am a really mean mummy I'd probably leave my DS (now 3) I severely lack empathy. I come from a family of a mum who was a nurse, she was even meaner!

if anyone's still up in an hour's time I will teach you some horribly long mnemonics

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Tue 29-Jan-13 04:38:59

Ooh mnemonics rock! Yes please!
saddo kitty

Funny you should say that, cafe because when I was little and I couldn't sleep, my mum would say

"that's ok, don't try to sleep, just lie there and see if you can stay awake till your dad and I come up"

Tiny Kitty "ok mummy zzzz"

Worked a treat taking the pressure off.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Tue 29-Jan-13 04:48:27

Ok fingers crossed le munch bunch seems to have gone off again so I'm away to do a Medicine inspired abc game.

A antibody
B botulism
C cross contamination

Good luck with your studies cafe

Hope everyone else has gone off too

cafecito Tue 29-Jan-13 05:01:42

ok hope you sleep well kitty - let me know if you get stuck on a letter!

izzyizin Tue 29-Jan-13 05:08:11

This thread makes it seem as if there's more of us around at night than there is in the day smile

Can't stop thinking about Squeaky tucking into Hershey bars at the drive-in movie show envy

I'm coming round to it, Wordy. This came out of the blue - one day lunging and squatting with ease and, literally, the next hobbling on a pair of crutches <weeps>

Our family doc is onto it; he's got my x-rays and he's sorting out the best surgeon/hospital/technique. I'm intending to spend a week riding my horse before I check in for an op because, from what I've read, it'll be 3 months before I can risk doing the the can-can getting my leg over again. NB: over the saddle, my pets, although I sure hope I can get back in it earlier grin

Aw jeez, not the start to 2013 I'd planned but I guess it's for a reason which, as yet, escapes me.

Got any dull and obtuse tomes on the comparable values of watching various brands of paint dry, cafecito? I'm desperate for some zzzzz's and fed up with counting sheep.

cafecito Tue 29-Jan-13 05:19:21

10 mechanisms of brain damage izzy- thrilling stuff, hmm, glutamate...GABA..L1 CAM...glial astrocytes... apoptosis...<randomly types words>

garlicblocks Tue 29-Jan-13 05:19:31

Morning!!! My sleep's ALL over the place atm. It's always been messy and I'm absolutely freaking out about my benefits, which have been stopped. Worse than freaking out, actually, I'm paralysed by fear which is preventing me from dealing with it.

Anyway, since I'm up again despite having taken a sleeping pill at about 10pm, I'm thinking I might distract myself by dyeing my hair (grey!) and then have another go at my benefit forms. Or go back to bed. Or summat confused

Izzy, no guarantees but try some diet adjustments for your knee. Things to try:-

1. Cut out coffee. Just a switch from istant to real will sometimes do it.
2. Gluten free. Nuisance, but works for many.
3. Dairy-free. Nuisance, but works for me.
4. Cut out 'acid' foods. These are foods which metabolise to acids, not necessarily acid in themselves. You can look them up on the Web. The main ones seem to be tomatoes and citrus fruit but you can have pineapple and berries, etc.

I hope you manage to at least dull the pain. It's horrid feeling crippled! xx

ComradeJing Tue 29-Jan-13 05:22:58

Other good way to get to sleep is to count backwards from 100 or backwards in 3s from 100.

<squeeze> for everyone feeling sad and low.

cafecito Tue 29-Jan-13 05:23:53

izzy- just seen about your knee [ouch ouch ouch]

sadly I know nothing as is the case with most real doctors too replacement sounds drastic I know, sad

cafecito Tue 29-Jan-13 05:25:12

good tips there, garlic!

cafecito Tue 29-Jan-13 05:26:26

did you ever run a lot izzy, or is it a riding injury that's been cumulative?

cafecito Tue 29-Jan-13 05:27:09

garlic- much stress! not surprised you're awake

BuntyPenfold Tue 29-Jan-13 05:29:47

garlicblocks gives good advice. I would be hobbling around if I ate acid-forming foods, yet the diet is generally unknown.
I have had arthritis since childhood and keep it at bay through diet.

Today/tonight I am on day 8 or 9 of flu, I can't work out which, and sleepless due to aching all over.

sorry you are so worried garlic, I hope you get it sorted.

AlienReflux Tue 29-Jan-13 05:50:36

have two snot filled kids, one of which has started puking . sad

izzyizin Tue 29-Jan-13 07:28:08

O shit, garlic. Have you put in an appeal? Do you have law centre anywhere near you?

Cheers for the tips, honey. I adore tomatoes and lemons but they're going out the window and I intend to to act on all of your tips - for which I thank you very much and I'm greatly encouraged by Bunty's endorsement.

It seems skiing is the most likely culprit and, more specifically, my love of slalom and moguls, cafecito.

Having once witnessed an orthopaedic surgeon carve a Thanksgiving turkey, I vowed never to put my life bod in their hands. I reckon that turkey has exacted vengeance on the wrong party confused

Just about every male ortho surgeon I've met has been a rugby player and I'm aware it's something of a a Black & Decker and quick fix cement speciality for gung-ho guys, nevertheless I won't be allowing them to shut me up put me under so I guess any conversation in theatre will be of the bellowing over the sound of the drill variety.

I'm giving it 3 months to see if natural remedies combined with hard prescription drugs get it under control and, if not, I'll bite the bullet and go for surgery. I'm a lousy very impatient patient and the pain coupled with incapacitation is already beginning to drive me nuts.

I know the species has to adapt to survive but my adaptation has taken the form of me becoming virtually housebound not being able to run to save my life hmm

This is the last time I'll bang on about it - in the general scheme of things I'm blessed and it could be both knees a lot worse.

On the bright side, I guess if I go Stateside for an op I'll get to ride in one of those airport buggys 'cos there's no way I'll be able to hobble from departure lounge to boarding gate at Heathrow or Gatwick, with or without hand luggage smile

Golly gosh, look at the time! Here come the day shift grin

cafecito Tue 29-Jan-13 08:02:02

ooh yay nearly time for caffeine (coffee does not exist here til 8am.. outrageous)

I have a good friend who frequently injures their medial meniscus in skiing and snowboarding incidents- it hasn't stopped them, they're 40 but have gone skiing every year for 15-20 years and used to be an instructor. easily done with simple turns - yes orthopaedic surgeons are a unique bunch... ehem... grin oh I hope you find some things helpful, I will let you know if I come up with anything new or interesting here that could help

cafecito Tue 29-Jan-13 08:02:49

though that would require me working rather than MNing

sadly listening to cheesy music on my ipod at same time, keep bouncing in the silent area of the library... dellliiirrrious...

have good days all

ike1 Tue 29-Jan-13 08:12:13

Garlic go to CAB with your benefits if you are struggling. ALWYAYS appeal negative decisions. Apparently somewhere in the region of 80% are successful...

SummerDad Wed 30-Jan-13 01:19:04

First vampire resurrection of the night ... grin

Lostonthemoors Wed 30-Jan-13 01:20:05

Me again too!! Just about to try a sleep though - next to a small coughing boy!

chickensarmpit Wed 30-Jan-13 01:21:27

I'm listening to my neighbours washing machine which she has plumbed into her bathroom. Which is next to my bedroom.

Lueji Wed 30-Jan-13 01:29:05

Working at the computer, again.
And having a break between tasks.

Even the cat is fast asleep.

It is not yet very late for me.

SummerDad Wed 30-Jan-13 01:31:01

bless, Lostonthemoors, I hope you get a good night sleep tonight next to your little angel smile

chickensarmpit I can understand what would you be feeling. I had a stupid neighbour once who liked to turn his washing machine on after the midnight. I had to involve the police which sorted out the problem grin

Letmeintroducemyself Wed 30-Jan-13 01:32:10

feeding - again

izzyizin Wed 30-Jan-13 01:38:59

Well done, Dad. If you hadn't, I was going to smile

Where's garlic? I hope she's had some joy on the benefits front.

Wouldn't it be nice if squeaky put in an appearance... why do I have it in my mind that her rellies live in Minnesota?

I know there's a long way to go but may I put in an early suggestion for any continuation of this thread to be titled Insomniacs Anonymous?

izzyizin Wed 30-Jan-13 01:40:12

What did the police do, Dad? Arrest the washing machine for causing a disturbance of the peace? grin

SummerDad Wed 30-Jan-13 01:46:51

izzyizin haha, it was funny the machine was still on when the police turned in and the moment they knocked at his door, he switched it off and simply refused to admit the machine was on smile. The police man told me later while they were standing at the door, the machine flushed out water. After he received a verbal warning, he never turned on machine at night smile.

Insomniacs Anonymous - where chronic nocturnals hang around hehe

SummerDad Wed 30-Jan-13 01:47:56

I hope your knee is a bit better tonight izzy.

MerlotAndMe Wed 30-Jan-13 01:48:56

I know this is an old thread, but I can't sleep because I'm worried about court with my x next week. I remembered something i forgot to include in my affadavit, but it will show up on my bank statement and i'm worried about how that will look/and what his side will make of it. totally stressed here. just had two chocolate biscuits and a bag of crisps too, after eating really sensibly all day. so annoyed with myself for several reasons.

izzyizin Wed 30-Jan-13 01:51:51

Old thread, Merlot? <looks around for time machine> By my reckoning it's only 3 days old hmm

Do you reckon your ex's side will necessarily pick up on your oversight - for that what it is and we all make them.

ladyWordy Wed 30-Jan-13 02:02:29

<Polishes fangs> gleam

Hello nightbirds. Washing machines after midnight on a party wall... Oughter be illegal!

izzy .. that knee was very sudden onset for you. Your description of the black and decker wielding, rugby playing, gung ho ortho surgeon sounded very, very familiar... shock grin. Still, he did a good job. Surgeon no 2 for knee no 2 was more subtle, and rather easy on the eye I'm told wink

I hope you feel ok to go ahead soon.. Will be thinking of you.

Who mentioned chocolate biscuits.... nooo I must try to sleep

MerlotAndMe Wed 30-Jan-13 02:04:02

Sorry! i'm glad there's somebody else up. maybe they won't pick up on it. I'm trying to decide whether to go all rinkydink with my bank statements or to shoot myself in the foot and declare what I forgot. oh decisions decisions and none of them stressfree.

If i'm grilled up in the box, I can honestly swear under oath that I forgot, cos i did. but still. I can't sleep. ARHGHG

SummerDad Wed 30-Jan-13 02:21:14

MerlotAndMe I am not an authority on these issues but what you have said makes perfect sense. I won't be worrying about this much, but that's me grin.

izzyizin Wed 30-Jan-13 02:32:52

<swings pendulum in front of Merlot's eyes>

<intones> You are feeling sleepy - very sleepy - you can't keep your eyes open - you have seen no discrepancy between your affidavit and your bank statement - no errors at all - nothing at all untoward - and if you are grilled questioned your face will remain a picture of perfect innocence as you peer at the documents before admitting you appear to have made an error -- you can now wake up and have another chocolate biscuit get ready for bed or carry on sleeping...

Ok. So that's your oversight accounted for. Now, do you want the one that turns chocolate biscuits into fatbusting dynamos or are you asleep? grin

foofooyeah Wed 30-Jan-13 02:36:19

Hello night birds, I was woken by the sound of my cat pooing noisily on my pink cardigan. Cardigan in bin and cat outside. Cant get back to sleep now after that flurry of activity

starsandunicorns Wed 30-Jan-13 02:40:12

Can i join please normaly read these type of threads when on break at work but not done night shift work for ages im fretting that i have had no work this week susopse to gone and done a shift on monday ( angency worker) but got to carpark and threw up dp drove me home still feel dizzy aching everywhere no engergy. Angency not happy sigh tonight has been all a bit too much dp working tonight though no other work for the week just cant sleep

starsandunicorns Wed 30-Jan-13 02:42:54

Oh foofoo hope it wasnt your fav one my old cat used to attack my toes at 3 am

janji Wed 30-Jan-13 02:44:28

A cough and very wheezy chest that won't go away (had for over a month now). Posted in health but no replies!hmm Hate going to doctors but think I'm going to have to?

foofooyeah Wed 30-Jan-13 02:46:41

stars - work situation sounds a bit grim.
It was a fave but is now very old and a bit too toght so not a major loss.
Cat will be put in sun room from now on at night.

ladyWordy Wed 30-Jan-13 02:50:19

Eww, foofoo, your kitty gives very clear opinions...

Hope you feel better soon stars.. and you janji. Yes, a month long wheezy chest that isn't improving is worth a doc visit. I used to find wheezy coughs get worse at sundown, worst of all in the night. Much sympathy.

starsandunicorns Wed 30-Jan-13 02:58:42

Night coughing is the worst jan hope you feel better soon. Jan feb march are always a bit slack so used to being on poor week rations. Just get the feeling the angency are pushing people out sigh have applied for four jobs in last ten days heres hoping. Been doing angency for two yrs nearly just sick of it now.

izzyizin Wed 30-Jan-13 03:03:31

The speed with which I was afflicted was shocking, Wordy. I was walking along one morning and I suddenly couldn't walk, and my right knee felt like it was on fire.

Of course, being me, I pretended it wasn't happening convinced myself it would get better with a bit of rest and carried on as per normal - or as normal as it's possible to be hopping on one leg like Dudley Moore auditioning to be Tarzan in the 'One Leg Too Few' sketch. grin I even got myself a flowery walking stick to help take the weight off the knee. ]

But <bell rings> Cafecito and yourself have given me an idea. I smashed an arm up while on the piste and had a delightful dalliance with it pinned by a charming surgeon.

Not one stitch or staple was used to repair the damage with the result that, other than a few little pinhead size marks whch only show on my arm after I've tanned, there's no visible scars of the zip variety.

I'm so vain wondering if I should go get a consult at an alpine hospital, although it will be little short of torture for me to be anywhere near a ski slope and be unable to indulge.

izzyizin Wed 30-Jan-13 03:06:03

There went my resolution not to bang on about my admission to the walking wounded club.

With all the ailments on parade, joining this thread is a tad like walking on to a night ward 'in a hospital near you' grin

starsandunicorns Wed 30-Jan-13 03:13:23

Smiling at that izzy now i want to know what type of stick you have havent done skiing since in the army hope u get sorted soon smile my condine has kicked in for my bad back so its down to a dull ache

izzyizin Wed 30-Jan-13 03:22:43

My faux Cath Kidston style fold up number was an eBay purchase as I can't walk round the bloody shops, stars, but I've moved right along since I bought it.
I'm now on sodding metal crutches of the bog-standard variety and wondering what colour metallic paint to buy to turn them into something a tad more cheerful. <sob>

starsandunicorns Wed 30-Jan-13 03:29:30

Awe bless you izzy i hate those crutches most definaliy need to spray them a fab colour. My dd1 had them when she had a op she used nail varish smile my sister has a fab folding out stick when out and about ( just found out she has ms)

cafecito Wed 30-Jan-13 03:57:11

*checking in smile hello all

izzyizin Wed 30-Jan-13 03:59:27

Nail polish? These big beasts will use up my entire OPI collection and then some, stars.

I'm off to see if jolly carbon steel numbers exist. If not, maybe I can adapt my ski poles smile

QueenGwen Wed 30-Jan-13 04:22:01

4am and I'm reading mn threads instead of a. Doing some of the work I am now a week behind deadline on, b. Apply for a job that might mean I don't have to work until 4am just to get everything done and justify my employment, c. Making a decision on whether or not to push back court hearing with ex who wants to carry on twatting about with mediation because causing pain is the only way he can continue to control mine and my ds' lives. It gets better than this right?!

jynier Wed 30-Jan-13 04:28:00

Anyone still up? Hi! Can't decide if it's best to get into bed, although not feeling tired, or whether it would better to stay awake all night in the hope that I'll sleep tomorrow night (which is today really!).

izzyizin Wed 30-Jan-13 04:31:05

Wow. There's a whole world of surgical appliances crutches out there, and I'm rather taken with a rather fetching purple pair but, as they're sold singly, I'm wondering whether one purple and one red may be more 'me'?

There doesn't appear to be any in my favourite yellow but i haven't finished trawling yet.

izzyizin Wed 30-Jan-13 04:36:19

IME, Gwen, it only gets better when you start making it better.

Apply for a job that doesn't keep you up all night and push for an early Court hearring smile

Oh, and get the work that's running into the danger zone of 'out of time' out of the way so you can feel virtuous in control.

izzyizin Wed 30-Jan-13 04:38:24

Still up here, jynier.

If you get some zzzz's now will you hear the alarm? And if you don't get any zzzz's will you be able to stay awake until tonight?

BlueyDragon Wed 30-Jan-13 04:41:56

Can I join? Up x 2 with DS, once for a wee (fine) and once because he just wants tucking in. Which is deeply cute but very annoying as I can't get back to sleep. It's getting too regular tbh - I'm horrible on bad sleep - but not sure what to do about it yet.

Sorry for those who have sad reasons for being up.

I get my workout done before children start moving if font do it early then it not get done

Then I get coffee in peace after

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Wed 30-Jan-13 04:43:15

Not sure if I'm here or not hmm

Hi though smile

QueenGwen Wed 30-Jan-13 04:48:31

Sound advice - thanks Izzy! Just need a few more hours in the day at mo to overcome my natural tendency towards lazy idealism

cafecito Wed 30-Jan-13 04:48:39

reeeeallly trying not to MN when I'm sposed to be working

jynier Wed 30-Jan-13 04:49:28

Hello izzy - am still weighing up pro's and con's! Wouldn't hesitate to stay up if it was Spring or Summer! Corner shop will be open at 6 so may stroll round for the newspaper. Am not keen on going to bed as suffer from very vivid nightmares. Doesn't matter about hearing alarm as I have a free day.

Did you find yellow?

izzyizin Wed 30-Jan-13 04:50:10

I know that feeling well, kitty. Parallel universes. Wish I could work out which one I'm in hmm

cafecito Wed 30-Jan-13 04:51:07

QueenGwen I have twattish ex P who is trying to control me and DS through court application after court application. Get rid of the crazy job (I worked in the city for years, but got to the point where I was doign 8 jobs at once- I left and have felt much better since, if a little wistful at times..)

jynier- maybe sleep 3 hours and then have an early night?

what's all this talk of colourful crutches grin links.. oh no, must not.. must get on with my work <sulk>

cafecito Wed 30-Jan-13 04:51:57

jynier- I also have the bad nightmares, I know what you mean. Hmm. Stay up then and then go to bed early and try to 'reset'

izzyizin Wed 30-Jan-13 04:52:33

You have been slogging away, cafe - I've just read your work on another thread smile

cafecito Wed 30-Jan-13 04:52:41

Humancatapult -wow! 4am workout! <looks at chocolate wrapper and multiple coffees at desk...>

cafecito Wed 30-Jan-13 04:53:05

kitty, I fell asleep on the northern line today. I am not sure where I am. grin

cafecito Wed 30-Jan-13 04:54:47

It's weird, I can only work at night. I waste time epically in the daytime. Also I do nightshifts sometimes so I have decided to become officially nocturnal

janji Wed 30-Jan-13 04:55:06

Managed to doze for an hour but wheezing & cough woke me up again. Now feel really hungry but too cold to leave my warm bed!

izzyizin Wed 30-Jan-13 04:56:35

Colourful crutches r moi us, cafe. None in yaller as yet, but I'll search again later.

Do you have nightmares if you have a siesta in the daytime, jynier?

izzyizin Wed 30-Jan-13 04:58:18

Wrap the duvet round you and make a quick dash to the kitchen, janji?

Altinkum Wed 30-Jan-13 04:59:30

I'm here, been awake since 1am, fell asleep at 9am. Exhausted,

Got laryngitis, and upper and lower chest infections.

At work in a few hrs also, aged knows how il manage.

janji Wed 30-Jan-13 05:01:20

Think dh would moan if I nabbed the duvet. Not fair him snoring away when I can't sleep.

izzyizin Wed 30-Jan-13 05:15:15

So send him to the kitchen... problem solved.. Next! grin

janji Wed 30-Jan-13 05:18:30

Like yer style Izzy!

Bertiebassett Wed 30-Jan-13 05:22:05

Glad it's not just me that's been awake most of the night!

jynier Wed 30-Jan-13 05:22:58

izzy - I have never had a siesta BUT was ill over the holiday period with "the bug" and chose to lie in bed and catch up with my reading. Kept nodding off and had the weirdest dreams/nightmares. Became completely disorientated. Once dreamt that I was kissing and caressing ExH's foot! Never, ever did that throughout our very long marriage!!!

janji - can't you share the duvet?

Bertiebassett Wed 30-Jan-13 05:23:26

...going through awful divorce with STBXH refusing to move out... Had to deal with endless text message fuckwittery yesterday hmm

izzyizin Wed 30-Jan-13 05:31:20

How you doing there, Altinkum?

Are you on antibiotics for the upper & lower chest infections? Have you got honey and lemons and a shot of whisky to make a hot drink to soothe your throat?

izzyizin Wed 30-Jan-13 05:32:06

Is he due to move out as part of the divorce deal, Bertie?

Bertiebassett Wed 30-Jan-13 05:55:56

Yes Izzy he is...but he's delaying!

izzyizin Wed 30-Jan-13 06:11:49

Is gunpowder a solicitor's letter likely to shift him?

Bertiebassett Wed 30-Jan-13 06:16:24

Well as a matter of fact I handed everything over to my solicitor yesterday (hence the insomnia). STBXH and I have just spent 2 months in mediation and a week after reaching an agreement he's already challenged 3 different things in the memorandum of understanding... hmm

izzyizin Wed 30-Jan-13 06:21:35

Only 3? grin

Your mantra is 'all things must pass', Bertie, and he this will too.

Spring's on it's way and you'll have an Absolute to hang in your loo before you know it smile

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Wed 30-Jan-13 06:38:03

Turns out I wasn't here after all smile

Sorry for all you involuntary nite owls; I send squeezes, tasty treats, honey and lemon drinks, caffeine*

*delete as required

cafe you fell asleep on the northern line? Ooh dangerous, you could have inadvertently changed at King's Cross and ended up at Sheffield grin

cafecito Wed 30-Jan-13 06:43:01

slime is a loose polysaccharide

cafecito Wed 30-Jan-13 06:43:49

yeah kitty I fell asleep - overshot my stop by a few- but so tired I didn't especially care! very dangerous!!

Bertiebassett Wed 30-Jan-13 06:44:09

Have to go now as DS woken up. Thanks for the encouragement Izzy! (I remember you offering it before in my previous threads) hope your leg feels better very soon x

cafecito Wed 30-Jan-13 06:45:45

Bertie, XP refused to move out of my (rented) flat - deliberately, and because it was really nice. So I moved out. Then he still wouldn't move out, and nor would he pay rent. Cue legal minefield of liability for his actions [aarrgghh]

cafecito Wed 30-Jan-13 06:46:33

*shakes bertie pompoms from sideline - the end is nigh!

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Wed 30-Jan-13 06:58:37

slime is a loose polysaccharide that's cracking!

Bertie that's awful. What a nobber, just dragging out the inevitable and making it unnecessarily difficult

Izzy shall add big fat pain relief to my virtual Red Cross parcel..

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Wed 30-Jan-13 06:59:57

cafe when will you next get a proper few days or nights rest?

SummerDad Wed 30-Jan-13 07:35:52

morning all the ones who are still awake smile

jynier Thu 31-Jan-13 02:02:50

... here again ...

wordyBird Thu 31-Jan-13 02:24:01

.. and me .. atm. I hope no-one is suffering trial by washing machine tonight, and that the sickly nightbirds are on the mend

izzyizin Thu 31-Jan-13 02:41:46

I gritted my teeth managed 24 whole hours without popping painkillers, but as I've just thrown in the towel necked 2 dihyrdrocodeines it's my intention to at least try to get some zzzzs in before this thread sinks to bottom of the board with the transit of the moon.

I freely confess I'm a nocturnal by inclination, but my sleep pattern of late has been disturbed to the extent I'm beginning to wonder if I've had -amnesia-- an interview with a vampire and now need to scurry to my rest before the sun makes it's appearance on the horizon hmm

starsandunicorns Thu 31-Jan-13 02:42:38

Popped in to say hi feeling better today though still no engergy sigh tucked up in bed

garlicblocks Thu 31-Jan-13 02:59:04

Hello, Thread, and THANK YOU for the advice and good wishes! I haven't actually dealt with anything today - dyed my hair (didn't work), trimmed my nails, wandered round town, posted reams of stuff on here, buggered about ... I've now run out of delaying tactics and am going to drug myself again to get to sleep.

Tomorrow the benefit forms. And the CAB, if it's still here - it ran out of funds last year.

Izzy, I'm sorry you're hurting and am wildly impressed by your PCA (positive crutch attitude)! Wishing you less pain and a beautiful doctor.

wordyBird Thu 31-Jan-13 03:04:36

hope tomorrow is better, stars brew

Izzy, I made a face at 24h sans painkillers, you are one tough lady. I have seen that pain in action sad hope you sleep soon.

take care garlic, my fingers are crossed there are some remnants of the CAB for you and that you get all the help you need.

brightstars1 Thu 31-Jan-13 03:15:27

Because I'm a first time mum, my 5 week old has a horrible cough and cold and Im physically to scared to sleep! hmm

niceupthedance Thu 31-Jan-13 03:25:00

I'm up because I'm scared! Two massive bangs woke me up - thought it was toddler DS throwing toys on floor (even though one of the bangs was in my room). Then started thinking about robby the doll which I googled earlier (don't google if easily freaked).

Hmm. That seems ridiculous written down. Going to be so tired tomorrow hmm

SummerDad Thu 31-Jan-13 03:54:18

niceupthedance your toddler DS throwing toys on the floor at this time, curious !!! <trying to avoid googling about robby the doll> smile

SummerDad Thu 31-Jan-13 04:11:04

looks like I am the only one up now hmm

izzyizin Thu 31-Jan-13 07:11:39

I only managed a short doze and was up again shortly after you posted, Dad <sigh>

O bright, I so remember that feeling. I hope your precious little babe is soon cough/cold free and you can catch up on zzzzzs, albeit IME parenthood = sleep deficiency for ever more

I'm sure an energy rush is on its way to you stars. When it arrives could you please divert some my way? wink

Are you not blessed with an easily reachable law centre in your location, garlic? If not, have a google of solicitors in your area some of whom may be willing to take on benefit matters - you should be be entitled to legal aid - as it may be quicker to get a legal consult than wait for the CAB to take up cudgels on your behalf.

The contents of your virtual Red Cross parcel worked for me kitty, can you make me up another one, please? smile

With some bribe encouragement, I can practise mind over matter , wordy, but as soon as the pain subsides I become overly optimistic that a miracle has occurred (comes from watching Life of Brian far too many times) and do too many physical tasks chuck away the crutches - on the subject of which I'm more or less settled on a lightweight dark purple number that looks as if wouldn't be entirely out of place at the Dorchester. Jeez, I could so go 6 one of their delectable whisky sours right this minute.

Two massive bangs aren't you the lucky one nice? Is robby the doll you refer to one and the same as the notable tourist attraction Robert the Doll in Key West? If so I'll share a little tale on Friday night which will help you sleep soundly grin

This was intended to be by way of a quick goodnight/good morning to all and, yet again, the keyboard has become a magnet for my fingers. I shall now prise my digits off and take to my bed for an hour or so before getting ready to participate in the ratrace sad.

Slumber on, honeys, and have a good day.

niceupthedance Thu 31-Jan-13 08:10:34

Izzy yes the doll in Key West. It featured in a thread yesterday and in the dark of night, all alone... Sounds ridiculous now. I did sit up for an hour waiting for more bangs. I probably dreamed them.

Look forward to the robbie debunk grin

janji Thu 31-Jan-13 20:47:07

Been to docs this evening.. On anti bioethics for bronchitis now!

Lueji Thu 31-Jan-13 20:51:55

Anti bioethics for bronchitis is a really funny spell checker/ predictive text failure. grin

I'm a biologist

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Thu 31-Jan-13 21:28:33

Izzy I'm so glad my my parcel worked. That's great news grin

Here, the sooner you crack this one open the better.


Hope it works as well

wordyBird Fri 01-Feb-13 02:25:03

janji that should help; feel better soonsmile

.. I love auto-correct.. there was a great thread title this evening - 'When do you let your child carry their own epiphany?' (Epi pen.. I think)

I hope all night birds are awake by choice tonight, but.. it tends not to go like that

SummerDad Fri 01-Feb-13 02:30:05

just signing in now, hil to all smile

SummerDad Fri 01-Feb-13 02:30:43

Hi to All I meant grin

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Fri 01-Feb-13 02:45:10

Hil backatcha superdad grin

Been awake since 1.00 with snuffly, coldy 1 year old. Hopefully will get some sleep now as she's just gone off.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Fri 01-Feb-13 02:46:40

Oops, summer not super blush

Though perhaps you might prefer super grin

SummerDad Fri 01-Feb-13 02:52:03

lol @ kittyandthegoldenfontanelles, I am flattered wink My little one has got cold too and he has been quite restless too. I hope you both get some peaceful sleep.I guess, I will keep awake for at least a couple of hours now ....

WhichIsBest Fri 01-Feb-13 04:20:05

Hello insomniacs. I am up as DD is ill.
Actually she might finally be going back to sleep but I've given up I think.

Not sure whether to get her up and go for a 'sit and wait' appointment at the doctors when they open, or just let her sleep until she wakes, then go. Hmm.

Altinkum Fri 01-Feb-13 04:46:17

I'm up, dh inconsiderate sod woke me as he had been bitten again in his sleep thread on AIBU and now he's snoring and I'm wide decking away.

I text dh dad to say the boys needed black socks. (We're going to a family event.

Dh dad received

*Black cocks needed*


izzyizin Fri 01-Feb-13 05:44:06

When will they be arriving, Altinkum? Friday night's the night on AIBU and I daresay you'll get some takers - don't let them go too cheap, will you? grin

FirstTimeForEverything Fri 01-Feb-13 05:54:09

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

izzyizin Fri 01-Feb-13 05:59:35

May I be the first to murder sing:

Happy Birthday to You
Happy Birthday to You
Happy Birthday dear Fiiirrurssst
Happy Birthday to YOU

and many more of 'em grin

thanks Have a GREAT day, honey, and celebrate it in style wine

FirstTimeForEverything Fri 01-Feb-13 06:00:53

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

izzyizin Fri 01-Feb-13 06:16:03

You're welcome smile

Have you got any special plans for today/tonight?

izzyizin Fri 01-Feb-13 06:26:21

Wow kitty, what a generous soul you are. That is one A-mazing box of goodies you've sent me - it'll take week for me to get through those grin

I'm off to get my head down for a couple of hours before facing another day on the treadmill sad

<plucks teddy out of box>

<cheers up smile>

Lueji Fri 01-Feb-13 06:45:59

Happy birthday, First!
wine (is it too late or too early?)

I've been up working since about 5 am. And have been a good girl. smile

Runwayqueen Fri 01-Feb-13 07:13:43

The joys of working at an international airport keep me awake at all ungodly hours of the day confused

Runwayqueen Fri 01-Feb-13 07:24:59

Although this time is not ungodly, but the 0230 alarm clock certainly was

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Fri 01-Feb-13 15:18:02

You are very welcome Izzy

I hope it was magical

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Fri 01-Feb-13 15:20:12

Ooh runwayqueen what time do you knock off?

Are you a beacon waver? grin

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Fri 01-Feb-13 21:02:25

Ooh runwayqueen what time do you knock off?

Oh dear, that reads like a come-on blush

It really wasn't meant to be hmm

cafecito Sat 02-Feb-13 22:19:13

*clocking in


had a sleep deprived crash, spent a few days like a zombie, not remotely productive- back on the caffeine and night shifts as of tonight! wwoooo (though have been up since this morning, and hospital is annoyingly busy still wish the normal folk would go home wink )

cafecito Sat 02-Feb-13 22:19:58

kitty- I did a double take at beacon waver, though I suspect the espressos are clouding my vision grin

Eskino Sat 02-Feb-13 22:27:41

Newborn just fed and is settled on my shoulder. It's quiet time between her feeding and 2yo ds shouting for something obscure which invariably happens this time of night. DP is out "wetting the baby's head". It's my first time alone in charge of 2 babies.

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 00:24:55

eskino, congratulations on new baby!

my DS has just turned 3, he gets more and more inventive every time he wants something in the middle of the night. I am almost proud at his ingenuity

LostAndScared Sun 03-Feb-13 00:39:48

feeling miserable, fed up, stressed out , just generally not good x

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 03-Feb-13 01:48:47

lost I'm sorry to hear that. thanks are you still awake?

Cafe If it had been a bacon waver I'd have been up that runway like a shot. grin

Eskino envy ooh snuffly newborn snuggles <inhales deeply> ahhhhh!

Congratulations smile

That envy face needs a smile, it's far too aggressive

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 03-Feb-13 02:00:25

Ok cafe my medical ABC is lasting ages but I'm stuck on F. I try to get 5 of each letter. I had phlebotomy until I realised my mistake. blush Any suggestions?

<Kitty walks into hospital with loud hailer>

"Attention normal people; go home and stop wasting cafe's valuable and rationed time and heard me...yes you....scarper"
[stern teacher face emoticon]

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 03:26:32

grr noisy people in a library is not conducive to optimal late night early hours dissertation writing or exam panicking!

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 03:29:12

kitty hmm are you asleep yet, if not I can offer you.... fibromyalgia... fenestrated epithelium, fentanyl, FVC, femoral line...

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 03:29:53

I may have made the epithelium up, replace with footdrop, or fluconazole

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 03-Feb-13 03:29:53

"I thought I told you lot! Scram!....don't make me come in there"

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 03:32:00

grin I've given an evil, as has the very important doctor behind me who is writing her research paper on some terribly clever stuff. I'm sat by a window, it's very cold, and my ipod is playing something ghastly but I'm too cold to change it... and the extra layers I have are in a locker somewhere in the basement where all the dead bodies are and I suspect I will get locked into the corridor if I go there for more tops, so will make do!

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 03-Feb-13 03:32:53

Thanks cafe that's great grin

I've heard of most of them too, silly me.

How are you getting on?

Chottie Sun 03-Feb-13 03:33:44

eskino I love that new born baby smell, snuggling into your neck. < sob, sob > I haven't smelt that smell for years.......

I'm up because I often wake up at this time. I lie in bed and just can't get back to sleep. So I get up, make a cup of tea and chat to others who are also awake.....

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 03-Feb-13 03:35:37

Cross post. Ooh that's not good. The dead bodies have got your woolies and your iPod is taunting you? Notvery supportive of either of them.

I'm doing my usual quacky hover.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 03-Feb-13 03:37:13

Hi chottie smile that's this thread in a nutshell

How's your weekend going then?

SummerDad Sun 03-Feb-13 03:39:59

Hi everyone, just to let you know that I am also up and running now grin

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 03-Feb-13 03:42:09

Fenestrated epithelium. Capillaries in the gastrointestinal (GI) mucosa, the kidney , and secretory glands ...

There you go! Mr Google sez

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 03-Feb-13 03:43:18

Running? Actually running?

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 03:48:14

see, I aspire to one day be able to be a morning person. At the moment I am a morning person for all the wrong reasons, I am STILL awake grin

I would say the dead bodies have my woolies. And all my other random comfortableness items, and about 10 books and 3 pairs of shoes. and a toothbrush. I got changed there today blush came in inappropriately attired en route from a comedy club, high ankle boots and a dress... quickly changed in the corridor hoping nobody saw, forgot there is CCTV which I only remembered when I couldn't get out of the corridor even with my swipe card, and security opened the door for me [mortified]

Chottie Sun 03-Feb-13 03:49:12

kitty thanks

I'm surprised I'm not asleep actually. I had a lovely day yesterday. Both DC were home together (last time was Nov 12 sad - they are adults and live hundreds of miles apart and DS works shifts), so we have had a lovely day.

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 03:49:18

chottie, hello

lost are you still up?

eskino I LOVE new baby smell oh my goodness - DD/DS? how new? *gets broody

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 03:50:30

yay for nice day chottie!

I often wonder how I will be when DS is a grown adult., Not that I see him enough now, of course, but when I actively can't see him because he is all grown up, will be hard

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 03:52:03

I had a really bad night's sleep last night (I tried to go to bed like a normal person.. early by my standards.. like 2am...) and I ended up waking up every 20-30 mins, properly got up at 6am, wasted time on facebook, attempted some work with a sushi breakfast, then went back to bed til 10. I don't like not being able to sleep. harumph

I am up most nights between 2ish and 5ish, suprised i havent seen this thread before, but its nice to hear from others who are up. I am up less lately because i found Nytol actually works for me. But i have run out, bad timing as i had to endure lunch from hell with family today, followed by some very unflattering photos of my chins to round it all off. Hello to everyone.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 03-Feb-13 03:53:10

Ha ha mortified - good choice of words for morgue shenanigans grin

What is your dissertation on?

Chottie Sun 03-Feb-13 03:53:13

cafecito hello << waves >>

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 03:55:23

haha ah yes! <not clever enough to realise contemporaneously>

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 03:55:37

<mortified again>

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 03:57:24

smile dissertation is superfluous to my main activities, just for some added STRESS and tbh I haven't even got a decent working title, I have about 3 or 4 vague ideas and I keep thinking I will get started after this round of med exams is over, but then it's like I'm balancing a little too much and really I should not be doing both at the same time. hohum. it's not medicine related, well it kind of is, but not science

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 03:59:01

la vida es un carnaval' is playing on repeat, I may need to switch playlists or I will start drunken tequila dancing and not realise what I am doing through lack of sleep

i do the abc game too, never thought of doing medical stuff (technical term) i usually do vegetables. Vegetable beginning with D anyone? Always flummoxes me.

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 04:01:00

stairsinthenight hello!

what is in nytol?

I have had various sleeping aids before (for my insomnia began very young.. before I had any substantive reasons to not sleep) but I react very badly to sleeping meds, in fact zopiclone makes me absolutely hyperactive bouncing off the walls wiiiiide awake and delirious... and benzos never really work for me either, unless washed down with a bottle of rum (not good) so I remain unmedicated

SummerDad Sun 03-Feb-13 04:01:16

Hi cafecito, hope you will be great just finished writing a long email to a friend in the early hours of this morning.

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 04:02:00

vegetable beginning with D... <tears up dissertation drafting and pharmacology notes... focuses attention on this question instead>

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 04:02:35

hi summerdad! smile have you slept yet?

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 03-Feb-13 04:03:05

Ah latin humour [spod]

chottie thank you for the flowers; they are my first ever virtual blooms.

hi stairs yes I used to find nytol worked a treat too. Glad you've found something which works when you're stocked up

You see cafe that's what happens when you mess with your circadian rhythms. That'll lern ya. sad

We really need a sleep face emoticon...thus is mumsnet for Pete's sake wink

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 04:04:02

Stairs I have been on/off MN for ooh... I don't know... 4 years, no, 5 years I think.. (had a 3 year flounce) but I have never found a thread like this before, so hooray SummerDad thank you for starting it!

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 04:05:21

or a sleep deprived face... newborn + mumsnet = why don't we have this already!

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 04:06:52

I wish I had done latin at school. My school did latin and ancient greek... but I joined after they had been doing it for 2 and ahalf years already (poncey bunch) so I sat at the back trying to teach myself german instead. I would be so much more well rounded if I could speak/read/write/quote impressively ancient yet fundamental tomes of latin

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 04:08:37

there is a lot of latin in neuroanatomy though

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 03-Feb-13 04:08:39

Nytol is herbal, don't know what's in it but it seemed to work for me pre baby, when I was doing my dissertation.

Hmm, vegetable beginning with D....

SummerDad Sun 03-Feb-13 04:09:15

well I had a very early-ish night, I dozed off at around 12 I guess mostly because of my exhaustion due to very little sleep last week, got up around 3 ish and straightaway dashed to mnet. I am getting addicted to this thread now, seems like I keep dreaming about this place when I am asleep wink

its a herbal thing with valerian. I had no expectations that it would work tbh. I still wake but only briefly and go back to sleep. Vast improvement as i have no desire to take proper meds but the insomnia was getting unbearable (have suffered for many years). I am top procrastinator too. Can find time to do anything irrelevant. Pass me your dissertation?

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 03-Feb-13 04:13:36

I only did Latin for a year and it wasn't possible to take it further but I loved it and my subjects have always been science based so it they reinforce each other. Also, a Catholic upbringing helps grin

Latin makes sense to me and definitely helps with etymology. I would have loved to have done more officially

SummerDad Sun 03-Feb-13 04:15:57

StairsInTheNight your post reminded me that I had to help someone with an assignment and the deadline happens to be tomorrow. Doh, I might end up spending the rest of tonight doing that now smile

CafeCito that was so kind of you to say that but like almost every great thing, this thread was quite incidental and I had no idea it might turn into something epic, hehehe.

i remember when DS was little and he would wake every 2-3hrs. It would take me an hour or two to get off each time. Then he would wake. grin i would read the 'sleep is for the weak' threads and sob. Still dont know how i survived.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 03-Feb-13 04:16:58

Can it be a fruit stairs or does it have to be a vegetable?

Durian? Dragon fruit?

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 04:17:58

haha stairs - me too! I am SO productive when I am avoiding my work. I think I live in fear of starting the task of my work because it's quite a big thing, so I take on more work to avoid it ...passes dissertation under the table, exchanges for thesis editing or my recent venture, doing a whole business's accounts, for free, in my 'spare time' pah..

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 03-Feb-13 04:19:43

stairs that's basically what's happening in our house at the moment

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 04:20:43

It will be epic until we all suddenly start taking nytol I guess!

MN can be addictive, I think that's why I quit before. I'm not addicted now but it's nice to have it in moderation grin

kitty you're a genius with your D fruits

Stairs I don't think I ever saw the 'sleep is for the weak' threads! where have I been!

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 03-Feb-13 04:23:27

Noooo you can't all start taking nytol! Not till my baby starts sleeping though at least

Thanks cafe ; like I say, I play this game a lot!

kitty, then i really feel for you. Maybe the Nytol might work? (unless your bf and its not suitable?). I remember saying to the midwife 'Oh im used to not sleeping, being up in the night wont bother me'... bwahahahaha! How that came back to bite me on the arse.

must be a vegetable kitty. No cheating. But thanks for fruit tips i will try to remember them :-)

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 03-Feb-13 04:30:17

Yes I'm still feeding stairs

I don't think is have any trouble sleeping if my baby would let me.

My health visitor says it's because I'm still feeding that she wakes though.

im impressed you took such a long break cafecito. I have been here 7yrs and cant imagine not having MN now. My speciality is over planning. Show me a spreadsheet and im all yours :-)

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 03-Feb-13 04:39:55

Dill? Technically a herb. I'm stumped. I'm a veg freak too so this is bugging me...must resist google....

How old is your baby? Mine night fed for a long time. I couldnt say no so all advice on stopping was irrelevant. I do remember my Health visitor coming over about a week after i had DS. He woke and started to cry, so i picked him up. She said 'your making a rod for your back there'. Um. Yes. So not got highest opinion of their wisdom.

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 04:43:39

DILL has got to be a vegetable

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 04:45:06

are you BFing? I think that's nonsense about the nightfeeding thing <no medical basis for this assertion! But I 'fed on demand' and aside from the little baby stage they slept well...

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 04:46:21

now, DS will not sleep through the night - think, 2am, 3am, 3.15, 4am 'thiiiirsssttyyyy' 'neeeed potttyyy' 'mornign time' 'monster in my room' 'coming down the stairs' NO DS it is morning time in a few hours - it's pitch black outside, go to sleep!

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 03-Feb-13 04:46:54

I'm with you stairs

She's almost 15 months. How long did yours feed for? What happened in the end? I'm reading as if yours are older now is that right? Did they self wean or did you have to do something. I don't want to stop but equally know this can't go on forever. smile

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 03-Feb-13 04:49:42

cafethat sounds so lovely ans funny to hear but not to experience I know.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 03-Feb-13 04:51:32

Oops twitchy fingers. She slept beautifully for the first 5 months. I think its since she started teething.

"Morning time" gorgeous!

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 04:54:45

it is cute, but it generally hits when I actually need to sleep grin and then I try reeeally hard not to be shouty mean mummy.

right, I am away to do some work - back in a few hours! hope you get some sleep or somesuch

*I know I'll be thinking of D vegetables

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 03-Feb-13 04:56:03

Ok, I think she's finally settled for half an hour good so I'm going to step away from the thread.

I'm sure I'll see you all in a minute!

Good luck niteowls. See you in a bit or tomorrow

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 05:24:09

argh - ipod is behaving, but the coffee machine just ate all my change and delivered NO coffee. outraged

steps away from thread to brave the basement for additional layers and a new coffee machine, before resuming smile


kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 03-Feb-13 06:41:36

Up again. So exhausted and freezing too. Not a good night here.

Hope you are warmer cafe

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 06:44:13

I am indeed warmer, but no more productive. I am wondering when I can get some caffeine. I must've wasted about 5 hours earlier have suddenly got a bit daunted by my work sad grumpy cafecito. I'm planning on showering here, and carrying on all day and all night....

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 06:46:33

sorry you're up again - will you get any sleep in the day? is it only you that is up? (sorry, missed if you are exclusively BFing)

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 06:48:12

brain fog- how old is she? I seem to think 14 months?

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 06:48:52

I guess you're not exclusively BFing then, probably teething - can you get DH/P to help you at night?

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 06:51:19

I was very lucky with mine actually at that age so Ihave no words of wisdom. I carried on BFing though until about a year - I think by 10-11 months I had started cups and stuff instead, but there are wrongs in everything too, like bad for teeth and so on - but I guess that might be why they settled themselves back to sleep. also co-sleeping helped me with DC1 never did it with DC2

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 06:52:15

my friend breastfed until her son was 4 shock ignore your health visitor! (medical advice fail)

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 06:53:52

I guess would be a teething/separation/comfort thing for her at this age thanks and brew for you kitty!

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 06:54:17

and a medal and some wine

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 07:49:54

kitty- in your honour, and to consolidate my learning, I present to you...

the ABC of immunology

(3 of each, 5 would take me all day) I have to challenge myself later today to explain random terms in this ABC and I may do this for my other subjects also, thank you!

up time! Kitty my DS is 5 now. I bf on demand for ages, till he was 2ish. He was never a good sleeper. Then restricted to morning and evening (this was def for comfort) until he was maybe 3 and a half. He still makes suck suck noises in his sleep now :-). I didnt really wean i just said 'in a bit, not now, lets have a biscuit/story' etc instead. Sort of distraction. I stopped when i had just had enough, when you start resenting doing it then stop i think. DS finding a comforter helped. Sorry to hijack i hope something here is useful!

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 08:05:54

*procrastinating again



bacteria/bone marrow/ B-lymphocyte

chemotaxis/complement components/CAMs

diplococci/defensins/ dendritic cells


formyl-methionyl peptides/ fomites/ functio-laesa

Gram-negative/ granules / gamma delta cells


integrin / immunoglobulin/ interleukins

Janthospirillum oxalobacteraceae ('sall I've got)

kuppfer cell / kidney mesangial phagocyte/ er kill

lymphocyte / latency / lysozyme

macrophage / myeloperoxidase / microaerophilic

neutrophilia/nitrogen/ N-acetylmuranic acid

opsonization / opportunistic / organism

phagocytosis / pathogen / pyrogen

quite bad at thinking of things with q

rolling/ rotavirus/ RNA

selectin/ serum-amyloid -A -proteon / staphylococcus

transmigration / teichoic acid / toxin

uracil uuurrrggh nearly giving up asleep

vasodilation / vibrio / vesicular

west nile virus/waldenstrom's macroglobulinaemia .. kind of ... er.. werewolf


yersenia entercolitica/ yellow fever

zoster, virus - varicella


cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 08:07:48

stairs that's adorable smile

up time! this means coffee time *cafecito leaves the comfort of MN to forage for caffeine in the wildnerness

have good days all

<wild applause> that is impressive procrastination!

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 03-Feb-13 10:48:15

Oh lovely people I've just woken to all your lovely messages! I shall read and respond in a min. My husband took her so I could sleep. It must have looked like I was ignoring you sad

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 03-Feb-13 11:28:18

My husband is very good but I've given up work to stay at home with our daughter and he brings home the bacon (hmmm, bacon, slurp) so I see it as my job to be up with her in the night. Plus, I feed her to sleep so its always booby she wants to resettle her. Some nights are worse that others but I certainly don't resent it. In fact I'm so grateful that we are able to have me at home as to me it means I can just go with this without additional work constraints.

Other people say I shouldn't be doing this though and I'm not sure if I'm helping her by feeding to sleep. As you said above cafe it means it's all on me but equally that's what I consider I'm here for at the moment. I really do love it and have waited a long time to do this.
[soppy face emoticon]

Thank you for the various liquids, cafe and I am currently wearing my medal joyously smile and my lovely flowers.

Dr cafecito your ABC was inspired grin Definitely a round of applause if not a standing ovation for that. Now I'm going to have to google all those and find out all about them because I'm that way up. Glad I've given you a new study tool too.

Wouldn't you be more productive if you had a catnap and started afresh? I'm concerned these 48 hr marathons are not good for you <nag nag>

Midwife99 Sun 03-Feb-13 11:38:53

Kitty re the BF. I think your toddler has just got into a habit of needing to BF to go to sleep so if she wakes in the night she doesn't know how to get back off to sleep by herself because that's how she goes to sleep at bedtime. I guess it's only a problem if you think it is but I'd definitely be wanting my sleep after 15 months of it!!
If you do want to change things you could change the bedtime routine so you feed her downstairs, don't let her drop off, go upstairs for teeth & story etc & then tuck in, say goodnight & then leave her to go to sleep cuddling a teddy or rubbing a blankie or something? My DD strokes her earlobes!!

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 12:30:04

ah thanks kitty smile but no, I can't go to sleep as well, I would not be able to sleep, and I would waste an hour getting home, then I'd procrastinate terribly. I need to tire myself out so I will definitely sleep. I feel exceptionally awake but perhaps it's the newly found coffee shop in the other wing - soooo much nicer than the usual one (took 30 mins walking there, too, so that's my exercise done for the day grin )

also I have so much to get through, I need to be strict with myself and not leave til I have done at least the end of what's on my hitlist for today, then go away and sleep a little bit tomorrow, then back again. this is the plan cramming

I absolutely agree with midwife about it being a habit and not knowing how else to go back to sleep. If you're happy with it for the moment there's nothing wrong with it, but if you're suffering from lack of sleep then having a new bedtime routine would be worth trying - might be a nightmare for a week or so and it's hard to be strict when they are so adorable and don't understand why you're doing what you are, but certainly it's fixable. They say the same with adults (though I have many bad habits I intend to resolve, hhmm.. one day)

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 12:30:50

and good grief grin if I hear silence on the other end I think 'yaaaay she's asleep' it makes dr cafe very happy!

I agree, if you can make that happen it would be helpful! Good luck. You could try the 'No Cry Sleep Solution book'- it had lots of useful tips. And bear in mind if there are teeth involved then boob is always going to be the best comfort so she may occasionally find it more difficult to sleep even if you think you have cracked it.

I got Nytol, 3 for 2 in Boots today! Very much looking forward to sleeping all night... or if not I guess you'll see me here about 3am!

Midwife99 Sun 03-Feb-13 18:09:06

I tell you what works for me if I have a couple of wakeful nights - a couple of night nurse capsules at about 7pm. Asleep by 9 at least 10 hours!!

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Mon 04-Feb-13 00:48:29

Hi all. Here I am.

Dr cafe how's yer waldenstrom's macroglobulinaemia?! Ha ha, forgot to say; loved U, Q and Z, werewolf and kill! Very entertaining grin

Midwife99 and cafe thank you for your thoughts and advice. smile

I do know the thinking behind that and it does make sense. However, I do know that she is able to get herself back off again sometimes though and this puzzles me a bit. I just hate the idea of 'sleep training' her all of a sudden and her not understanding why and getting upset sad

I know I'll have to do it at some point though. I'll start giving it some serious thought.

So who's about?

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Mon 04-Feb-13 00:50:52

By the way doc I've got a sore throat and look a creamy yellow bit right down there on my throat <ahhhhh>

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Mon 04-Feb-13 00:56:56

stairs I hope you aren't about as your nytol has done the trick smile

KatyPeril Mon 04-Feb-13 00:58:49

I'm hideously depressed, and having a cry.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Mon 04-Feb-13 01:05:22

Oh no katy I'm so sorry sad thanks

Is there anyone with you?

KatyPeril Mon 04-Feb-13 01:12:06

No. I'm used to it though. Cest la vie!

KatyPeril Mon 04-Feb-13 01:12:20

Thanks by the way x

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Mon 04-Feb-13 01:14:25

Oh that's not right. No-one should have to get used to that.

KatyPeril Mon 04-Feb-13 01:18:06

I think some of us are destined for it :-p I do appreciate your concern though. Thank you smile

RibenaFiend Mon 04-Feb-13 01:28:37

Crying. Can't sleep. Have given up in bed and moved onto the sofa because I feel like I'm going to throw up thanks to the crying and don't want to disturb DP who I am in desperate need of a conversation with. confused

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Mon 04-Feb-13 01:28:50

I don't believe that, Katie. It's not your lot in life. Things can change. I'm talking broadly of course and from experience as I don't know your situation.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Mon 04-Feb-13 01:32:26

Oh ribena sad

Won't you wake him for a chat? Might it not be best?

Oh god I remember that crying retch.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Mon 04-Feb-13 01:34:53

Or her of course. How presumptuous of me. blush

RibenaFiend Mon 04-Feb-13 01:43:01

DP is a him(!) and waking is absolutely not the best course of action. He'd be cross which is understandable as he's sleeping so very poorly at the moment. I'm convinced that he's suffering from depression which as he's all "stiff upper lip" about everything and NEVER visits a dr means whatever's wrong is festering and hurting us both. I'm just playing out the situation in my mind where I am in fact now too stupid, fat, self absorbed, uninteresting and moany for him to deal with any more and he wants to break free.

RibenaFiend Mon 04-Feb-13 01:43:44

Ridiculous eh? But I can't stop worrying and crying about the whole thing.

SummerDad Mon 04-Feb-13 01:44:08

Hi all, really feel for the posters who are facing a tough time, wish I could offer my shoulder to cry on if that might be of some solace. I strongly wish the best for everyone here tonight sad.
I will be up almost whole night tonight for some work but might be lurking around this thread off and on though.

cafecito Mon 04-Feb-13 01:55:30

well, I have not slept since the night before last.. sigh.. I am in a hospital eating an M&S salad and up popped an enormous photograph of pus in a kneecap on my large computer screen [ick]

I'm so sorry katy and ribena that you are both feeling so low, and to all the others also feeling down.

ribena, what has made you feel like this? is there anything else that has happened? is it just your DP's character to be stoical and refuse GPs etc? I'm like that but by no means would it be a reflection on anyone around me.

katy - feel free to offload here if it helps you

I am meanwhile plotting how on earth I am going to get any sleep within the next week shock and the hospital water has exploded so no shower for me. and I'm a bit worried that might mean the supply to the coffee machines is cut off [horror]

so much work to get through tonight but zoning out, ipod battery has died so listening to sensible yet depressing stuff by ludovico einaudi while working

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Mon 04-Feb-13 01:58:05

Oh ribena, you do need to talk don't you but I can understand why now is not the right time.

I've heard, though never tried it myself, that writing down your problems and/or a course of action can be cathartic. I suppose you need to march that man of yours off to the docs as soon as possible. Would he respond to a nag firm suggestion? I'll bet it's not what you are thinking.

My daughter seems to have dropped off for now so I must catch some zzzz while I can.
I'm sure I will be about later though. Strength being sent from me too to you both (and any lurkers in need) thanks

Hi summerdad smile

cafecito Mon 04-Feb-13 02:00:22

good night kitty smile

MrsHoarder Mon 04-Feb-13 02:07:28

Baby has croup. He won't sleep lying down. Anothe 2 hours until I can swop with DH...

DontEvenThinkAboutIt Mon 04-Feb-13 02:10:52

I can't quite be bothered to go to bed..... (and I enjoy the quietness)

Actually,I can be bothered.


cafecito Mon 04-Feb-13 03:22:31

mrshoarder hope you're doing ok there, horrible for you but good you get to have some sleep soon

I've done so much work my head is going to implode. I am feeling too zapped to even stumble to the bus to go home. I may just sleep right here *has visions of angry cleaner prodding cafecito awake in a busy hospital unit at 6am

still, 3 hours better than none right! [sackable offence no doubt]

SummerDad Mon 04-Feb-13 03:33:08

cafecito I hope it is safe to take a night bus at this hour smile If I were you, I would just doze off on a chair with my head down on the table wink

Altinkum Mon 04-Feb-13 04:51:10

Up with asthma/pneumonia.

I drank a full bottle if wine so I could sleep, now feel more ill than ever.

Think I need to be admitted to hospital, but will phone the dr tomorrow, bloody waking up struggling to breath is bloody vile.

Steroids, inhalers nor nubliser is bloody helping!!!

Midwife99 Mon 04-Feb-13 05:15:23

Oh no Altinkum - hope you're ok!!!
I have the man flu & now a 3 year old snoring next to me which isn't helping!! Sooooo tired!!

im up! Slept well thanks to the drugs :-) now going to head into work early and Get the corner desk, Yesss :-) this will really annoy a man who always sits there in our teams section. Ha ha!

jynier Mon 04-Feb-13 05:53:27

Hope that you're all ok! Have been reading posts on here all night as am unable to sleep.

SummerDad Mon 04-Feb-13 06:14:53

Hi jynier, at least I am ok so far grin thanks, been awake all night was working on something now too tired to go to work, might take a day off wink, what kept you awake.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Mon 04-Feb-13 07:01:02

Morning all

My daughter slept from 2-630 with just a little quack so I feel rather refreshed.

stairs so glad the drugs do work. Enjoy that luxurious corner desk grin

cafe where did you and up, Doc?

midwife you're a man ? Who knew? Hope you feel better soon.

summerdad naughty!

Midwife99 Mon 04-Feb-13 07:43:56

Well I'm an honorary man for the duration of this cold major flu bug!

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Tue 05-Feb-13 08:54:28

Was nobody up and aboutlast night?

Well done everyone smile

SummerDad Tue 05-Feb-13 12:09:11

Hey kitty I was absolutely shattered after having literally no sleep night before so I just crashed at 11 last night seems like a good idea to have a flip flop routine ;)

I slept. How are you doing Kitty? Hows the boobmonster?

Midwife99 Tue 05-Feb-13 20:02:43

I slept under the influence of night nurse again (have sinusitis) but DD has taken the opportunity to get into bed with me the last 2 nights somehow sensing that I'm too drugged up in no fit state to send her back to her own bed!

Have you tried that stuff you squirt up your noose, Midwife? It took me ages to discover it works quite well (have suffered for many years with sinuses)

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Tue 05-Feb-13 21:35:54

Well by hook or by drugs crook most people seem to have had a good nights sleep smile

summerdad you'll be joining us tonight then by the sounds of it? That's a bit like my daughter's sleep pattern; she will stay up all night then sleep well the next.

midwife ouch, you poor thing, sinusitis is truly awful.

Hi stairs, you said it grin
She is indeed a boobmonster but so gorgeous and funny that I can't say no.
How was the corner desk?

But where's our Dr cafecito?

Never got the desk shock he still got in before me. I was there at 8.15 too- very annoyed I was!

I couldn't say no either. DS loved it, he used to pat and kiss my boob. grin

SummerDad Tue 05-Feb-13 21:56:56

I am already here wink kitty, planning to start trying to sleep at midnight grin not sure what to do for these two hours. I am bored watching tv, movies on my own <sigh>

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Tue 05-Feb-13 21:59:36

Mine too! And she tweaks one nipple while feeding on the other. It's lovely.

Damn that corner desk hogger
<shakes fist>

SummerDad Tue 05-Feb-13 22:03:02

ehm ...

A long bath Summerdad? With lavender and stuff and whale music? grin

SummerDad Tue 05-Feb-13 22:08:32

but that will make me sleep Stairs grin ...

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Tue 05-Feb-13 22:13:03

summerdad shock
Was that aimed at me?

SummerDad Tue 05-Feb-13 22:25:05

what was aimed at you kitty? I aimed nothing at nobody grin

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Tue 05-Feb-13 22:39:30

Sorry summerdad I totally misunderstood your 'ehm' blush

My apologies smile

SummerDad Tue 05-Feb-13 22:43:10

don't apologise please, I read my messages again and my message was rather at wrong place at wrong time, apologies smile

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Tue 05-Feb-13 23:47:58

S'ok smile

Nearly bedtime now grin

cafecito Wed 06-Feb-13 01:05:16

what've I missed? grin nipples I see

I totally crashed the other day - I flipped a coin (yes, I really did) and staggered home at 6am, slept all day (ah, a luxury I shan't have in a while) but then was up til 4am the next day (in a cafe in central london cramming eating croissant) and then went to bed and slept.. tonight was supposed to be a nightshift, a real one where I actually have to see patients, but 'phoned it in' blush as jillian michaels would say.. now have spent whole day freaking about exams which has meant I have done anything BUT study - sheesh

so I am home, and going to try and sleep soonish- and then I will be up all tomorrow night for sure as I have a big scary exam to be at by 8.30am the next morning (and knowing me, I'd sleep right through it)

prepare for cafecito and coffee aplenty tomorrow night

hope none of you are about though! well done on the sleeping grin

izzyizin Wed 06-Feb-13 01:17:23

A good night's sleep is a dim and distant memory sad

I was up all last night doing what I should have done during the daylight hours when I become a tea drinking snooze grabbing zombie. I didn't dare come on mumsnet otherwise there would have been another pile of work to add to the backlog.

On a brighter note , my snazzy new Ossenberg crutches have arrived. They're available in yellow but as it looks to be a tad too in your face colour for my taste I chose blackberry, a muted purple shade which won't look out of place in a fancy establishment - not that I'm getting to many of those these days.

They've got reflectors (!) on the front and rear of the arm pieces. All they need is go faster stripes. and possibly fluffy dice. and I'll be revving round Brand's Hatch grin

How are you Altinkum? Have you had a home visit from a doc or got yourself to hospital?

cafecito Wed 06-Feb-13 01:29:32

your crutches sound rather fabulous izzy but sorry you're not sleeping

yes I become a tea drinking coffee guzzling zombie in daylight too, despite my very best intentions

altkinmum, just seen your post- how awful, I hope yiou're being taken care of you really should be in hospital - x

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Wed 06-Feb-13 06:42:39

summerdad did you sleep?

Everyone else?

I got 5.5 hours broken by a little quack- glorious

Izzy congratulations on your mulberry lovelies grin they sound amazing.

cafecito good luck with your exam thanks

SummerDad Wed 06-Feb-13 06:47:36

kittymorning, yes I had a broken sleep, every time I got up I did check this thread though smile

Lueji Wed 06-Feb-13 07:48:35

Not very late or early now, I know, but just to report that I have just finished the project proposal (pretty much) after being up since 5am.
I'll be sure to have a full night's sleep at least for the next two weeks. smile

MrsShrek3 Wed 06-Feb-13 08:51:07

aaaages since I caught up on this thread...have read the last few posts and pmsl a bit where appropriate. I've resisted coming on here at stupid o'clock in case it keeps me awake hmm grin bugger that then, it clearly didnt work.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Wed 06-Feb-13 22:39:48

Well done lueji grin enjoy your Grande kippola

Welcome back MrsShrek smile

I'm on the mumsnet Android app. I've just downloaded it. It's really odd confused will take some getting used to.

cafecito Thu 07-Feb-13 01:13:27

ooh apps scare me, I am such a technophobe I bought an ipad mini more than a month ago (christmas present to self) and it is STILL unopened, in its box,inside a bag, on the top of my bookcase hmm I bought it to help me learn things for THESE exams ... never did I think I would be scared of it

cafecito Thu 07-Feb-13 01:16:27

hello by the way - if you see me here for, hmm, 2 hours, shout at me to go away - I am meant to be working not MNing... but shall indeed be up all night. Sadly my tea is a revolting centile of stone cold and I have again left my woolies with the bodies in the basement. *waaa...

the good news is, that I feel awake! hurrah!


*sobs... future career flashes before eyes... *sobs some more... looks around for escape.. loses focus...*found maniacally hitting the coffee machine in a disused corridor at 7am by a cleaner.. carried away....

starsandunicorns Thu 07-Feb-13 01:25:02

How is everyone this morning still wide awake as still staring at my phone for most of the day waiting for a call from angency for work got told on tues to not keep calling asking for work but cant go anywhere incase get called sigh bread sandwichs next week again heavy sigh oh and got a rejection email today for a job as a cleaner wails

cafecito Thu 07-Feb-13 01:36:36

sorry about that stars - do you work nights? or just miserable about it generally? what do you mainly do?

cafecito Thu 07-Feb-13 01:37:39

I used to live with someone who only did supply teaching, they HAD to wait by the phone on the days they had said they were available - and then often wouldn't get called, was very frustrating for them

starsandunicorns Thu 07-Feb-13 01:52:25

I prefer nights as better money ie 6:58 a hour did royal mail over xmas and hoped the angency would pick me up for the year but again as last year i havent grr so to bring in money i done min wage contracts tis sole destoying would love to be back in a office doing postroom or filing clerk ( which i did for 8 weeks last year though have lots of pervoius exepernice) but having a degree which i did to not be on benfits hasnt helped i change my cv about etc for jobs but yet again dont get anyway sigh i cant do telephone customer service as being dislexic i cant type and talk at the same time. Its a good job i have my colouring books to destress and dp who is angency too tells me not to worry but having had 2weeks of no work im flapping anyway thankyou for letting me vent will try and get sleeps sorry no paragrahs on phone and it wont let me

cafecito Thu 07-Feb-13 02:02:37

don't be sorry stars, sounds like you have loads of valuable experience and the education behind you that many don't- I worked in a few minimum wage jobs too, it can be soul destroying unless you pick the ones that will try and get you where you want to be, but having been helping someone with their accounts in a minimum wage paying shop recently, I know the number of people who come in with cvs.. well, it's such crazy times with jobs at the minute, they don't ever get looked at. not sure of the statistics, but even in my old firm we had hundreds and hundreds of applicants many of whom were very overqualified for the very entry level positions. There are always things out there though, and you do sound like you have a good strong work ethic which is a rarity! and a lot of solid experience. don't give up smile try and get some sleep - but vent away any time at all if you can't sleep smile

MrsHoarder Thu 07-Feb-13 02:37:39

Hope you get that phone call tomorrow stars.

ds has gone on sleep stroke do despite Tyre fact that my alarm clock is set for 5:45 we are gently bouncing in the hope he will sleep before then. And i'm planning final changes to my complaint email to my university department.

starsandunicorns Thu 07-Feb-13 03:02:06

Thankyou Cafecito and MrsHoarder well given up on sleep dog and dp began a snorning compation so snuggled under blanket in lounge with brew and doing so colouring ( posh book. Stain glass colouring book) just choosen a page to do which can be sent to the mother for her birthday grin Mrs Hoarder sleep strike ( does your ds have a union rep you could plead to ) grin is the worst my dd1 did that for the first 4 yrs she would do a 40 min nap then up for five hours

MrsHoarder Thu 07-Feb-13 03:10:31

I'd love a union. I'd she anything for him to sleep right now (especially as giving unlimited cuddles and boob isn't exactly demanding). Can't really grumble though, he's usually a fab sleeper, just the croup at the weekend has muddled him up.

starsandunicorns Thu 07-Feb-13 03:27:39

Croup is awful bless him dd1 had bad ear nose and thoart probs when a toddler of the joys of watching pingu at 3am it got to the point I could work out which esp she was watching by the music and pingu talk. Do remmber her saying mummy open your eyes your not watching it I replied that I was and told her which esp it was my dds face was in awe with the special power of watching stuff with both eyes closed smile

InTheNightGarden Thu 07-Feb-13 03:52:38

Pumping milk out my boobies for 5 day old ds who otherwise chomps holes in my nips!!! smile

jynier Thu 07-Feb-13 04:08:03

... hi, everyone! Can't sleep so just dropping in ...

cafecito Thu 07-Feb-13 04:10:36

...trying desperately not to MN... trying to cram pharmacology... sigh... need coffee...

InTheNightGarden- congratulations!! 5 days *ooooohhh

MrsHoarder Thu 07-Feb-13 04:11:46

Well DS is not asleep in his cot and I'm writting the dreaded email on the laptop. And dunking McVities breakfast biscuits in my hot milk DH scoffed all the Galaxy.

That much Pingu sounds horrific, stars. Isn't it against the Geneva convention or something? smile

Congratulations InTheNightGarden. Have you got all the lanoish etc to keep your nipples in full working order? It is soo much easier past the 6 week mark.

jynier Thu 07-Feb-13 04:29:54

cafecito - often see your posts but can't work out what you do! Are you in the UK?

I am feeling ill and stressed. Have finally given up all attempts at sleeping Nd moved downstairs to the sofa. Am stressed because I have spent the day supporting colleagues in 121 meetings with our director and HR re redundancy (starting with my own, where I supported myself!). Now stressing about the volume of work I need to complete before close down, plus possible need to find a new job in six weeks time. Plus currently TTC #2 and have spotted EWCM and having suspected ovulation cramps and DH went to bed early and is sound asleep, when he should be attempting to impregnate me!

Feeling better for a little moan on MN thought. smile Now going to get a nice brew and clear some work emails...

equinox Thu 07-Feb-13 04:33:28

In the winter I go to bed at 9 p.m. and wake up 3 or 4 a.m. as I only need c 6 hours sleep!

Once spring is here I generally go to bed 10 or 1030 but even then I am still up by 5 as I don't need more than 6 hours sleep now I am the tender age of 49!!!!

MrsHoarder Thu 07-Feb-13 04:38:31

YorkshireTeaDrinker: I like your taste, we have only Yorkshire tea in this house.

As for redundancy, you have my sympathies. Don't stress about work needing completing too much: if they needed you to work for longer then they shouldn't have made you redundant. So put down the work emails (I assume they don't pay you for the early hours of the morning) and get yourself a nice book.

And having sent my complaint email sad I'm getting on with some programming. Much less stressful.

just logging in, the drugs did not work tonight sad. I sort of woke up thinking over stuff that annoys me and need to MN a bit to turn brain off. Cafecico i hope you are asleep now. Or working!

starsandunicorns Thu 07-Feb-13 04:52:44

MrsHorder Pingu was the best choice as dd1 grew she got into the new program of the teletubbies however she stayed faithful to pingu ( inculding collecting penguins) ( a ceral had a collection to get from their box one penguin a box one year I have never eaten so much cearal in my life) she fell out of pingu when she discovered Shaun the sheep at 14 yrs old !! Yorkshire tea drinker that must be so stressful for you sad

starsandunicorns Thu 07-Feb-13 04:55:15

Waves to Stairs hope you get to de- stress smile

singaporeswing Thu 07-Feb-13 05:10:28

In Singapore, should be in work but woke up at 3am with the most awful stomach cramps, nausea and upset stomach. Feeling slightly better now (1pm) but not gone into work.

Boss will probably be pissed off that I've not gone in (I had a week off with kidney stones before Christmas and I NEVER get ill) but both he and my colleague have young babies, I don't want to pass anything on to them!

Doing work from home but need someone to assuage my guilt please!

cafecito Thu 07-Feb-13 05:10:54

I am but a lowly medical student, jynier I am in the UK, alas...

not asleep here, but about 4 hours behind allotted schedule before this morning's exam (OK more like 4 months behind, but I had hoped to have finished pharmacology by 1am...)


I am jealous of the tea and biscuits- I just grappled with the coffee machine, revolting stuff and it did not give me change

sorry for those who are stressed

cafecito Thu 07-Feb-13 05:12:46

singapore- I had a boss like that in my old firm. I never NEVER once took a day off sick. I then had a half day off.... and he sulked for a week...tsssk

don't work from home, eat biscuits and MN instead grin I wish more colleagues were as considerate as you. The amount of people who go in sick and infect everyone else is just too high, very selfish of them

cafecito Thu 07-Feb-13 05:18:24

caffeine is a glycine antagonist...

jynier Thu 07-Feb-13 05:20:13

cafecito I'm an old lady! You spend far too much time on MN when you are in the hospital - how do you get away with it?

singaporeswing Thu 07-Feb-13 05:22:21

Cafecito - I never used to get ill or have days off, but since moving here and starting my job in October, I've had 7 days off with illness. When I think of it that way, maybe it does look like I'm taking the piss!

Thank you for your kind words, I'm going to switch off for an hour and watch CSI! Good luck with your cramming.

cafecito Thu 07-Feb-13 05:34:38

's alright jynier, I don't do it when I'm on duty (I do night shifts sometimes, 12 hours... eeeuurrgh) I only do it when I am studying or on a break- I'm somewhat nocturnal, I find studying at night much better than in the day (DS-permitting, that is)

thanks singapore- no no no, 7 days is not taking the piss at all!!! honestly that is nothing compared to the average employee, you have very high standards of yourself - love CSI (the original vegas one I hope) smile

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Thu 07-Feb-13 05:35:25

we are here toosmile We've been up for an hour so far and baby just starting to settle. She was really restless for the first hour. Didn't help that she leant right back whilst I was carrying her in the dark and she nearly fell out of my arms. I only had her by the legs and she swung right out sad it must have hurt her back or neck. Poor lambkin.

cafe I'm going to send you a thermos of black gold. You shouldn't be relying on shoddy machines which don't deliver. Poor quality caffeine makes me as angry as a luke warm shower angry
Good luck with your exam wink
stern words awaiting here if you need to be persuaded back to your books grin

stairs sorry about the drug fail sad

stars sorry about your situation and I hope you get that call tomorrow sad

It's far too easy for me to do emoticons on this app so sorry if I abuse them. I'm sure the novelty will wear off soonhmm

jynier Thu 07-Feb-13 05:38:54

but Cafetino - you must be receiving a very handsome remuneration for all of these night shifts! Do you work for an agency?

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Thu 07-Feb-13 05:41:53

so sorry about tour situation too Yorkshireteadrinker sad
I we.t through the same a few years back so I know how stressful it is. So good of you to be supporting other colleagues though. I wish you the best outcomethanks

Singapore say hello to grissom for me grin

we are making our way through the entire box sets at the moment. Lovelovelove the original Vegas ones.

get well soon smile

cafecito Thu 07-Feb-13 05:46:09

no jynier, I don't get paid at all - I do it for the placements in trauma because it's at a trauma centre so it's really good experience

thanks for the caffeine kitty! I have now lost a very tiny piece of paper with some crucial notes on it- aaarrrhhh <surrounded by heaps of paper, thinks probably threw it away earlier this evening...>

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Thu 07-Feb-13 05:46:20

jynier don't worry, cafe is studying in the hospital library in her own time. She isn't mumsnetting while supposedly on shift and being paidsmile

she's merely procrastinating grin

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Thu 07-Feb-13 05:49:38

oh craps. perhaps it is in your woolies with the bodies

bendy spined baby safely ensconced in cot so I'm off too.

good luck later brew

cafecito Thu 07-Feb-13 06:03:31

I am mighty proficient at procrastinating grin

yes don't worry I'm not being naughty smile

I think I left it in the other library...which is currently being hoovered into a frenzy by a cleaning team. drat.

cafecito Thu 07-Feb-13 06:03:54

have good sleeps all!

MrsHoarder Thu 07-Feb-13 06:27:51

Good sleeps? I'm showered, fed and ready to head into uni.

Good luck with the exam!

InTheNightGarden Thu 07-Feb-13 07:02:36

Thank you!! Yes I'm on my second tube of lansinoh...probably over using it but I do not care hahaa!!!

Midwife99 Thu 07-Feb-13 07:22:11

It was a busy night!! I slept - bliss!! Good luck with the exam Cafe - you must be completely exhausted what with working shifts, studying all night when off & exams - I know that the medical students who've worked with me have been pasty, exhausted & existing on coffee, diet coke & hospital canteen sandwiches!! Well done for remaining so chipper! smile

cafecito Thu 07-Feb-13 08:48:44

- surveys desk area, sees bottle of coke zero, 2 empty coffee cups, one full coffee cup (hurrah), broken pens and some chewing gum...

oops smile thanks for good luck wishes!

mrshoarder what do you study?

Lueji Thu 07-Feb-13 11:38:21

Thanks Kitty
I deserve congratulations mostly for having been away from MN and not procrastinating anymore. grin

And cafecito, how can you possibly be afraid of an iPad, mini or otherwise?
I'd be more like "my precious". In fact, I hardly let go of my iPod touch.

First, you turn it on, put your finger on it for the first time, then you get sucked into its wonderfulness. wink

And had a wonderful full night's sleep today. Yes!

jynier Fri 08-Feb-13 02:00:57

cafecito - please forgive me if you think that I am being too probing; you seem to be working in a hospital but do not get paid. Do you receive accreditations towards your exams for simply being present? Sorry if this sounds naive but I am really out of touch with current practice!

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles - thanks for posting but I became even more confused.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Fri 08-Feb-13 03:30:20

jynier how was my post confusing?

I can't sleep now because Ive seen a dream house at an affordable price and I want to arrange a viewing grin. My mind is racing. Babu asleep though so must quieten my mind and join her smile

cafecito Fri 08-Feb-13 06:28:28

Hi jynier- mainly I study in the library - sometimes I also work night shifts but only on placement for the learning experience. These placements aren't for my exams, but they are a great opportunity to work directly with some top consultants in the field that wouldn't happen otherwise, the things learned then translate into other things, and will help enormously in terms of experience and specialisation for things like a portfolio. The placements for exams are called student selected components, which are compulsory. We don't get paid, but do have to work - but then are graded on performance etc and need to write accounts of events. Then we are sometimes 'on call' at antisocial hours as well, but it's all part of the training. Exams and training are sort of merged into one, we have other exams that are not written as well, obviously- like osces (clinicals) and such fun stuff. Some universities are completely different though all try to follow GMC waffley guidance about what is expected of tomorrow's doctors.

kitty I hope you are asleep grin

lueji I have visions of you stroking it haha - no I'm still scared..

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Fri 08-Feb-13 10:08:07

lueji perhaps cafe is worried if she uses an ipad she will Tue. in to gollum me too grin

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Fri 08-Feb-13 10:09:54

oops...^turn in to^ I believe I meant.

.....luddite smile

cafecito Fri 08-Feb-13 10:36:25

I am SUCH a luddite grin

and a little gollum-esque as I braved the train station this morning BEFORE coffee places opened. shocking. I rather enjoyed being so early though, maybe I will try and become nocturnal the other way around, like just get up super early like some people on this thread - it's so nice ! (the novelty will wear off, no doubt)

cafecito Fri 08-Feb-13 10:38:50

I do not like the way apple just consistently update with technology they already have in order to make more money from such people as myself- I actually wanted the bigger ipad with retina blablabla but I was sure they'll bring out a sleeker version in a couple ofmonths time, which would have irritated me greatly! no doubt the mini will face the same fate within a couple of months it will have fancy pants display. I'm probably going to give it to DS blush or lose it - I am terribly clumsy and drop things and break them a lot too (laptop....)

I should probably make a note that surgery is not the best career for me grin

SummerDad Fri 08-Feb-13 22:01:40

jynier if you look up cafecito's other posts on MN you will see she is exceptionally energetic and apt at juggling with lots of stuff at the same time, no wonder you won't see many medical doctors/students on MN. I will stop here and let cafecito blow her own trumpet if she likes to smile.

SummerDad Sat 09-Feb-13 00:06:50

first one in tonight wink

starsandunicorns Sat 09-Feb-13 00:58:06

Eveing all well i got a call to work today at 16:15 to start work at 17:00! only five hours but its better than nothing good job i had work stuff ready out the door in ten mins inculding a shower though had to kick dp out the bath hoping for a good nights sleep tonight. Dp has work tommorrow so next weeks pay will be low but can cope just night all

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sat 09-Feb-13 02:04:21

Glad to hear it starsandunicorns smile
I hope you are now tucked up with a nice post-worky glow. grin
What did they have you doing?

This is our first wake up although there was a quack at 23.30. Let's hope she doesn't take long to settle.

hi summerdad weekend ahoy grin what plans?

Anyone else out there?

jynier Sat 09-Feb-13 03:15:53

... just can't sleep!!! ...

starsandunicorns Sat 09-Feb-13 03:50:12

Morning Kittie well it didnt last long wide awake sigh so been doing my colouring in book grin just now got a text from dp whos in the bedroom daying cough cough love you so made him a brew hes snuggled next to me and we are watching ultimate force from sky planner grin work was working at the mail centre doing poxy bag opening then sorting the mail into packets and letters ( the one job i dont like ) then was chucked on doing the rejects from the big manchine which i dont mind apart from the perm staff get chairs and we angency have to stand but overall it was ok

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sat 09-Feb-13 06:41:34

oh jynier sad. I'm sorry. I hope you've managed to drop off by now. My baby has just woken again but we have a very busy day ahead so this is me up now sad Sob

stars I'm sorry to hear that you are up too but I suppose being snuggled next to your partner makes up for it. wink In which subject was your degree? I take it there isn't suitable work opening up in that field (my apologies if you have already said that).

TDada Sat 09-Feb-13 07:18:10

In bed with iPad

starsandunicorns Sat 09-Feb-13 23:51:46

Kitty did BA Honours English and History but dont want to do teaching just was able to get up and do presentations let alone do it in front of kids and teach them stuff so kinda of stuck in no mans land now sigh

BesameBesame Sun 10-Feb-13 00:13:04

Why am I up at this hour? MN is better than TV. Much, much better.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 10-Feb-13 02:57:10

Besame tru dat wink (I am so street) but why aren't you asleep?

stars is there a history centre near you? Could that sort of work be a possibility? Archivist or such?

We viewed the house and it is even better in the flesh (brick?!) grin Cross everything please that it becomes ours.

WandaDoff Sun 10-Feb-13 03:21:20

Why am I up at this hour?

I'm stressed out & not sleeping well.

i can't breathe well. I've got a cold that has turned into a nasty chest infection & the Dr has put me on antib's & steroids.
DD isn't sleeping well as usual, she has autism & sleeping well for her is maybe 6 hrs if very lucky.

We had guests as it was DPs birthday & he fucked off to bed, so I had to stay up till the company left.

I'm now having a drink & a wee chill out before I try to sleep.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 10-Feb-13 03:37:25

oh dear Wanda is your daughter up with you too then?

Enjoy your snifter grin

Did you enjoy your evening?

jynier Sun 10-Feb-13 04:12:42

... am so very, very tired but brain won't slow down ... ! Wrote to my MP yesterday about the horsemeat situation and tried this evening to send an email to Defra. It's actually quite difficult to achieve - not sure if it was "sent."

I was able to add, however, to the MN thread about said subject.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 10-Feb-13 04:29:51

what have you asked of your mp, jynier? I hope s/he replies smile

Have you tried a focussing game like trying to name all 50 states or an ABC of a particular subject? That works for me.

My legs are aching so much sad

Been awake all night bar about half an hour. Been up with the baby for the last two hours. she's just gone off, so I'll try too as well. We are away and she's in a travel cot though so not convinced she'll settle.

Altinkum Sun 10-Feb-13 05:30:54

I'm awake, wish I was asleep tho, so I can gather my thoughts.

Me and dh not getting on and he's now at his mums house.
We've been together since we were 15, now both 30, and this is the first time he's left.

jynier Sun 10-Feb-13 05:36:16

I am very serious about the horsemeat controversy; I was prescribed Premarin years ago (HRT) and then found that it was derived from the urine of pregnant mares kept in intensive farms all over Ireland. Am going back years but you can google and see pics of the poor horses kept like battery hens with catheters attached to their bladders. I always wondered what happened to the mares (once they were past their reproductive life) and their many foals.

Hope your coping ok with that altinkum. Maybe a long walk today will let you think? (if the snow holds off). Hope you others got some sleep. I seem to be managing 12 till 6 ok which is good for me. Jynier hope you get a speedy response to your letter. Wanda i hope you feel better soon and get to lay in today!

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 10-Feb-13 06:37:58

I'm here again, (sob).

I didn't suggest you weren't serious, jynier. I just wanted to know what actions you had asked your mp to carry out.

altinkum I'm so sorry to hear that. I wish you the very best outcome. sad wine thanks

Lueji Sun 10-Feb-13 07:24:14


I hope the early hours thinking has helped you.
Can you both have counselling?
How are you not getting on?

Altinkum Sun 10-Feb-13 08:00:38

Way to much to go into, mostly our disagreement with disaplining our children, his attuide, negativity, anger management, he just won't accept he needs to address any of these so refuses to communicate with me about it.

He left around 8ish last night and hasn't been in contact, il are what today brings.

cafecito Sun 10-Feb-13 12:04:35

Sorry to hear that Altinkum- hoping this may be the start or realisation on his part that he needs to communicate and change - sometimes drastic action is needed for it to sink in

I think it's good that you are speaking out jynier - too many of us have no idea what goes on and live in 'fairyland' ignorance

I must say - officially - not sleeping for days on end IS BAD FOR YOU grin I cannot begin to describe how unwell I have been since my exam on Friday- in fact, during the exam, and onwards. Think- blurred vision, pounding headache, tachycardia, nausea, achey joints, collapsing, shivering, freezing cold, high fever, weird nosebleed... I am a wreck! I googled my symptoms and it came up with various tropical diseases. In reality, I probably just have flu. But it's not very nice. Have spent the last 36 hours in bed shock I went to a comedy club eve on Fri and left ridiculously early as I felt too ill.

In short- I must not do this again hmm [I know I will....]

SummerDad Sun 10-Feb-13 13:06:05

cafecito good to see you in day light, I hope you did well in the exam on Friday. I see this as indulging in a self-disintegrating routine which I have been doing too for years now sadly and I can tell you from experience it does take a toll on your mental and physical health smile I feel my short term memory is not as good as it was when I was young <sigh>

MrsHoarder Sun 10-Feb-13 13:46:47

So reassured that our future doctors understand the limitations of the human body well wink. I felt like that for the first half of the week too, but its not possible to plan for a baby being ill.

SummerDad Sun 10-Feb-13 14:32:30

Well MrsHoarder NHS does not understand the limitations of a doctor's body, I am afraid. I would say cafecito is already living the lifestyle she would be expected to live in a few years time as a professional doctor. I wouldn't ever sign up for a doctor's life and so would most of the doctors if they knew in advance what were they going to face. It is not for the faint hearted smile

Midwife99 Sun 10-Feb-13 15:34:55

I agree - 6 years at Uni, massive debts, 100+ hours a week, low pay for years, it's HARD to be an NHS junior doctor

PigletJohn Sun 10-Feb-13 20:08:30

the long hours problem is because the people who set the rules are the same people who pay the wages.

For example the govt has no problem mandating maximum working hours and minimum rest periods for lorry drivers and pilots, where the cost of additional labour is at someone else's expense, and may very occasionally save a life or two by preventing accidents due to tiredness.

There is an additional industry problem where old people in the trade say "I had to suffer so now they should suffer too"

SummerDad Sun 10-Feb-13 20:27:46

To be honest, working conditions for doctors in the UK seem to be quite good as compared to US and most of the other parts of the world, this is one of the areas where EU directives have probably made their lives easy by capping the maximum number of hours per week though this affects especially the young doctors financially. Human body is complex and doctors do require an intensive crash schedule to be trained fully in a reasonable time. Even with this crazy workload, a doctor may still take 5-7 years to get fully trained and that's on top of 6 years at uni.

full of admiration for anyone who could take that job on. I hope all you doctors and nearly doctors are getting some rest tonight. Well i am up again, though with one slight sweetner, it has snowed here in London. Very pretty outside.

Goober Mon 11-Feb-13 04:50:03

At work.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Mon 11-Feb-13 08:06:30

I agree stairs, total admiration; it's such an undertaking and those who orchestrate the teaching and learning are relentless. Nowhere else would you be allowed to have such lack of consideration for your students and such total ignorance of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs shock

Snow here too grin

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Mon 11-Feb-13 08:21:13

what do you do goober? smile

Midwife99 Mon 11-Feb-13 10:50:47

Being a midwife is tough at times but big respect for my medical colleagues (apart from the rude old male consultants who are just about still in existence & treat their underlings like shite!) smile

grin Midwife- I'll add to that old school Senior Civil Servants who still think anyone not in SCS is a secretary or a minion and can be safely ignored, more fool them.

SummerDad Mon 11-Feb-13 18:15:31

I managed to sleep in time last night around 12 and got up at 7 this morning smile, I wish every night could be same for me.

Midwife99, any one working for the healthcare (apart from the managers wink)deserves total admiration.

Midwife99 Mon 11-Feb-13 18:19:13

Thanks summerdad!! Glad you slept! I had 8 x 8/9 year olds for a sleepover Friday night who rampaged until midnight & were up at 6am! Only just recovered!!

Goober Mon 11-Feb-13 19:39:56

Sorry, didn't mean to ignore your question, I got busy.
I work in a nursing home. I am off tonight but then back in for 3, off for half term week with the kids.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Mon 11-Feb-13 23:02:24

That's ok goober smile

I used to work in residental homes years ago, and a few nursing homes too. Lots of night shifts, long shifts, etc. It's hard work.

Good that you've got half term off. Enjoywink

I am still up. Have been sitting with DP, talking. Its been lovely, now I'm hoping I will sleeeeep from 12 until say 7 which would be ace grin

SummerDad Mon 11-Feb-13 23:53:44

last night I managed to sleep at midnight but tonight it seems a rather distant possibility I would like to do "some" stuff before I sleep smile

starsandunicorns Tue 12-Feb-13 02:45:25

Hello all, Kitty I looked at that going the history route but no takers sigh. Had a mega crap last night now feel ill. Had backpain all day and now its in my neck sigh hope for sleep soon.

jynier Tue 12-Feb-13 04:38:11

... just impossible to sleep! Admire all of you who are working ...

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Tue 12-Feb-13 08:08:59

stars you had a mega crap last night? grin

or did you have a mega crap night last night? grin

I'm sorry you are in pain, that is not funny sad

starsandunicorns Tue 12-Feb-13 13:17:00

grin Kitty it got worst had pain lodged at the base of head and neck couldnt even put head on pillow poor dp he tucked me up in bed and slept on the sofa. Had too codine tablets and still couldnt rest. Ended up sleeping at rpund seven am on all four cuddling with three pillows and forehead on mattress!!! up now off for a shower then dp will give me a massage then tucked back in bed with no tv. Dp wont let snuggle on sofa. There were was a job advert i saw last night i was going to apply for but just looked at website its all ready been taken down wails said to dp i feel useless he replied your not you make brews and make cake. Bless him

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Wed 13-Feb-13 01:33:02

oh stars that sounds awful sad.
Was it a migraine or something? I'm lucky that I don't suffer from those.

You sound so cheerful even though you keep being disappointed in your quest for work and I must say the way you describe your relationship with your partner is heartwarming smile

my daughter keeps wailing in her sleep. I'm exhausted but she won't let me go off sad

starsandunicorns Wed 13-Feb-13 01:50:33

Evening Kitty not sure really think it was a stress headache and lack of sleep had a pj day today. Got told off by dp as appartly I got out of my bath to early grin feel for you ref your dd my dd2 used to wail in her sleep would get out of bed and by the time I got to her she would be snoring away. Hope you get get some sleep soon. I just keep plodding on ref job seeking just read your post out to dp and hes now polishing his halo lmao anyway off to bed for sleep I hope. Have a good night Kitty

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Wed 13-Feb-13 02:33:02

well she's wide awake now and talking very earnestly sad

I'm so exhausted I feel sick. The last 10 days gave been awful and I just need to sleep sad

starsandunicorns Wed 13-Feb-13 02:42:38

Is there anyone that can have her for a morning/afternoon so you can get your head down. Failing that sleep when she does and forget about the housework for a couple of days sending sleep vibes for you both

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Wed 13-Feb-13 03:03:16

thank you stars

I hope you sleep too smile

muddykittenheels Wed 13-Feb-13 03:08:25

ditto-alcohol is always a great bed avoider

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Wed 13-Feb-13 03:27:12

yeah alcohol/baby Einstein pretty much the same I suppose grin

Are you just up getting hammered muddy? Ah, I remember those days... wink

we are snuggled under a blanket watching 'world animals' and eating toast smile

MrsShrek3 Wed 13-Feb-13 05:23:37

anyone around?

Hiya MrsShrek et al, I'm back on nights after 2 weeks off. Did you all miss me? I moved house in that time. Twas the least relaxing Annual Leave EVER.

I'm illing tonight, I think I might have flu sad

Midwife99 Thu 14-Feb-13 04:15:30

Uggghhhh body clock all over the place. Asleep at 930 last night & woke up at 4 after a horrible dream about a murdering transvestite lodger! Now the cat thinks it's party time!!

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Thu 14-Feb-13 04:21:53

same as last night for me. sad

only It's columbo instead of baby Einsteingrin

Midwife99 Thu 14-Feb-13 04:42:10

Why won't she sleep Kitty? How old is she?

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Thu 14-Feb-13 05:00:22

Hi midwife she's 15 months. She's got a really snotty cold ans cough but she is perfectly awake and happy and playing/reading/talking/being lovely smile

She usually does this just before she learns a new skill; eating, crawling, walking for example. I can't think which skill she might be processing now as she can do the above already. hmm hard sums perhaps?

Midwife99 Thu 14-Feb-13 07:29:24

Perhaps the coughing wakes her up & then she thinks yeehaaa - noisy time!! I guess she's a bit young for star charts?

Vicks on the feet is meant to help with night coughing.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 17-Feb-13 05:36:26

Thank you for your suggestions, midwife and stairs smile

Well I put snufflebabe on her feet the night before last and she slept for 4 hours, then 4 hours, then 2 hours so stairs I not only thank you but present you with these thanks wine

I however have the worst throat infection so slept less well (poorly household). I also forgot to do it tonight but have just given her a late edition menthol tootsie tickle so we will see what comes of that....

Where is everyone? What happened to our lovely niteowls support thread? Dr cafe? Izzy? summerdad? sad <lonely>

Hopefully everyone is sound asleep, even if that means cafe is face down in 'Immunology for Clever Chops' drooling catching some zzzzs


Hi am here! I like this thread smile Oh im glad it worked kitty, i read about it on here! Well i had a terrible night but thats prob because we are off to Florida in 5hrs, going to get up now, hope you all sleep well! X

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 17-Feb-13 06:08:52

stairs you little tinker grin how lovely for you! how long for? holiday? will you check out the keys and the mangroves? envy very envious. Enjoy smile

I like this thread too wink

SummerDad Sun 17-Feb-13 20:07:17

kitty and stairs good to see you guys on this thread, have been visiting this thread off and on. Luckily, I have managed to sleep during last few nights peacefully not sure how long will this spell go for. I have a vague feeling that tonight will another sleepless night, lets see how it goes. At least there is more likelihood of a good company if I remain awake smile

I hope 'others' are doing well too wink.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sun 17-Feb-13 23:16:44

hi summerdad et al (that's yer ackshuel Latin)

Well, a lovely doctor who looked like Eric Stolz has just diagnosed Tonsilitis. I'm exhausted, in pain and wobbly so here's hoping for at least a little bit of sleep before my daughter needs me again. There are worse things in the world than being examined by Eric Stolz, by the way grinwink

speak to you all later. Glad you've had a bit of sleep summerdad. smile

SummerDad Sun 17-Feb-13 23:42:56

Thanks Kitty. Interestingly, I have also been diagnosed for Tosilitis recently and am just waiting for the operation date, finally the tonsils are going to be removed. I hope you get better soon smile.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Mon 18-Feb-13 00:42:39

oh poor you sad summerdad Did you get squoozed by Dr Stoltz too?

"It's my tonsils doctor; these two round tonsils at the front and the lower, larger, rounder tonsils at the back"

< backs up into the capable arms of Dr Stolz>

oh, just me?blush wink

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Mon 18-Feb-13 00:44:58

In less pain thanks to a cocktail of codeine and paracetamol. finally some relief, thanks Dr stolz grin

winterland Mon 18-Feb-13 00:58:22

Can I join? I'm wide awakkkkkeeeconfused

Damash12 Mon 18-Feb-13 01:10:32

Baby feeding!!! Aargh soooo tired!! ... But love him more than anything in the world! X

njaw Mon 18-Feb-13 01:22:13

Just good old fashioned imsomnia. Irritated by DH's. ( not that dear right now but thats another story) ability to sleep like a baby.

winterland Mon 18-Feb-13 01:29:14

I've just been at a big RTC (road traffic accident) and its always hard to wind down after these things

cyanarasamba Mon 18-Feb-13 01:29:48




LuisGarcia Mon 18-Feb-13 01:38:06

Someone just tell me something comforting.

wordyBird Mon 18-Feb-13 01:40:17

The nights are drawing out, and it's nearly spring Luis. brew

LuisGarcia Mon 18-Feb-13 01:42:12

Thank you!

Midwife99 Mon 18-Feb-13 01:42:17

Fuck another horrible dream woke me up after an hour's sleep!! Worrying about money & my love life.

jynier Mon 18-Feb-13 01:50:01

Sadly, I too am wide awake ...

So sorry for all of you who are still awake but wish to sleep!

BuddhaBelly Mon 18-Feb-13 02:04:29

Poorly ds temperature off the peppa pig strip thermometer and hallucinating, seeing Mr Men and Dora the Explorers on the ceiling, cute but worrying, just spent 30 mins sat outside trying to reduce temp.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Mon 18-Feb-13 02:42:03

oh budda sad I'm just passing through as my little daughter is still asleep but I had to respond to you first. How long has he been like that? How old is he? Do you think he might need an ambulance? Has he had calpol/ibuprofen? How are you? sad

thanks for you
bear for your lovely brave boy

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Mon 18-Feb-13 02:45:23

everyone else...

hi, sorry you are here.

Lucy there are bulbs pushing up in my garden. smile

what sort of thing do you find comforting?

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Mon 18-Feb-13 02:50:46

winterland I can't begin to imagine what that must be like or what sort if coping mechanism you must use.

thanks for you in case they help.

<if you are in one of the jobs that I think you might be then it takes a certain type if person and I applaud and thank you>

jynier Mon 18-Feb-13 03:52:33

...these dreadful, sleepless nights!!! Longing so much for those who are gone!

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Mon 18-Feb-13 05:14:42

Is that why you can't sleep jynier? Are you in mourning? I'm sorry for your losses sad

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Mon 18-Feb-13 05:15:48

How is your son Buddha?

kalidanger Mon 18-Feb-13 06:16:07

I'm up because I've got to go to the Identity and Passport Office and queue for someone else's passport hmm Get a full English on expenses though hmm

It's still dark sad

arunakoya Mon 18-Feb-13 06:25:34

Hi there,
I am awake still after no sleep.
Have had my sleeping habits turned upside down by one stressful night with the BF.
Now I can't sleep, and start work at nine.
Very peeved.

Good to hear that there are others awake too. And yes, thank you Mumsnet for letting me know there re others with the same issue.

Is anyone else having sleeping problems that's still awake?


jynier Tue 19-Feb-13 01:03:51

Buddha How is your babe?

kitty - You're very perceptive! Am so down. People don't like/or understand grief. We're supposed to "get over it" and carry on with our normal lives after the funeral. Unfortunately, this cannot happen as everything for the bereaved has changed forever! I would love to turn back the clock but realise that it's impossible.

Lostonthemoors Tue 19-Feb-13 02:56:11

Jy so sorry you are suffering sad no it doesn't just go away. We're here to hand hold if you need it.

Up with little DS who is ill - high temp and sleeping fitfully. Called ooh who say leave him to sleep, but now I can't sleep!

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Tue 19-Feb-13 03:09:31

jynier I'm so sorry to hear that and I'm afraid to say you are right. We as a nation generally don't know how best to communicate with or support the bereaved. I'm ashamed to say that even with my best intentions I feel I recently badly let down one of my favourite aunties when I saw her for the first time after she had been bereaved. I had thought long and hard about how to reach out without patronising, how to address it without making her confront things. In the end I'm ashamed to say I faultered, stumbled and failed her. I didn't even squeeze her sad sad I bitterly regret this.

Please do use us if we can at all help; either as a distraction or a sounding board. thanks

Have you found the bereavement pages on this forum useful at all?

jynier Tue 19-Feb-13 03:18:21

Lost - so kind of you to post when you are obviously worried about your little DS. Hope that you both get some decent sleep tonight! Best wishes!

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Tue 19-Feb-13 03:22:31

arunakoya hello and welcome to our late night rambling thread grin

Do you mean an argument with your boyfriend or a struggle with breastfeeding has thrown your pattern out? Either way, does it seem fixable?

come..... join us grin

summerdad are yer there? 'Ows yer Tonsilitis?

I'm trying to settle my little girl but keep having uncontrolled coughing (new symptom) which obviously disturbs herhmm

We had a great night last night which I badly needed. Let's hope she goes off soon. Are your tonsils sore? I can highly recommend doc stolz's codeine/paracetamol sandwich I mean cocktail I mean combo. Tis very effective wink

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Tue 19-Feb-13 03:24:43

cocktail fail

does anyone know why it goes like that? with the dashes and pluses on my other post I mean?

cafecito Tue 19-Feb-13 03:35:25


cafecito Tue 19-Feb-13 03:39:54

so, I was struck down by sleep deprivation + man flu <hairy trucker hands firmly under sleeves> and it has taken me this long to be able to be lucid enough hmm to type [at 3am, not sure I am ever going to be lucid grin ] so.. hello all, back to form, totally nocturnal, have to be in the hospital by 9am I'm dithering over going to bed, or doing some work instead... sorry to all those who are ill or unhappy

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Tue 19-Feb-13 03:41:33

Doctor Doctor! I need a Doctor!
<waves back>

I was felt up treated by one of your lovely colleagues the other day. He was a dish very professional and caring too. Lovely bedside manner. I think a good doctor makes you feel like you are their only patient.

How are you? smile

cafecito Tue 19-Feb-13 03:43:18

google tells me I have dengue fever - NEVER google grin I think just flu, but still., bleurgh

My tonsils were stolen when I was 8 years old [sulks] they don't tend to remove them very often anymore do they? they're quite handy immune responders (though tonsilitis can be debilitating)- I had to eat toast after my op, toast with blackcurrant jam. Wore an aladdin nightie with a toy hedgehog on my hospital table, next to my orange squash (jug had a blue lid..) Don't know why I remember any of that that so vividly grin

cafecito Tue 19-Feb-13 03:43:50

hello kitty! was he single grin

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Tue 19-Feb-13 03:44:04

why did my strike through fail again? angry


off to try for a kippola now

cafecito Tue 19-Feb-13 03:44:49

sorry you're not very well - [sorry you're not well, empathy doctor face insert here]

cafecito Tue 19-Feb-13 03:46:10

I thought your strike throughs worked rather well! enjoy the kippola! You really are my only patient as no more nightshifts til next month! yippeee! more nights free to .. er.. mn work sleep?

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Tue 19-Feb-13 03:51:31

don't know if he was single but I'm not shock wink just putty in the arms of a lovely doc when feeling wretched and he made it all better. ooh the power you lot have at your fingertips grin

Oh did you mean single for you? oopsblush

loved the portrait of minicafe. smile poor lamb. summerdad's having his out soon.

sorry to hear you've been stricken too. I hope you have firmly tucked those hairy man arms back under your frilly blouse now and on with the charade.

re your decision...bed, always bed

jynier Tue 19-Feb-13 04:12:10

kitty - thank you for your further message; so kind!

Bereavement and grief pages were ok; obviously, we're all in the same boat, so to speak. Was horrified when "Gone Too Soon" came up on the right-hand side of my screen; it showed babies, children and adults in their open coffins/caskets. Best comfort that I have (sort of) received was from a Buddhist site and one other which tells people what they should NOT say to people in grief.

Lostonthemoors Tue 19-Feb-13 04:13:39

Hello again all- still can't sleep. Ooh dr says all ok - DS temp 39.6 and not really asleep sad so I can't sleep either!

cafecito Tue 19-Feb-13 04:15:31

ok.. bed is going to be attempted. I have realised, I am fine if I have 3 hours sleep. I never need more than this hmm which means, I will be up by 7.30.. perfect.. (if I fall asleep - this is the tricky part)

I was really bad tonight I scoffed green&blacks almond chocolate for my supper blush now a bit chocolated-up

what is your favourite stethoscope colour? I lost mine (left it, on a train) need to get another one.. would you trust a doctor with a pink one? all black? purple? teal? sky blue? mint? <heerrmmm>

cafecito Tue 19-Feb-13 04:17:07

Hello lost sorry DS not any better than that

jynier sad sorry to hear that's what keeps you awake

cafecito Tue 19-Feb-13 04:19:50

I agree re attitudes to grief - people can be so dismissive. I've had people say 'oh get over it' hmm or 'shouldn't you be over that by now' etc. Ridiculous, insight-less (is that a word? no..) I can only think to myself, the only way they can be so ignorant is that they are lucky to not understand the true depth of grief

cafecito Tue 19-Feb-13 04:21:03

or, they are so awkward with it that they have nothing helpful to say, and would rather stop talking about it before it starts. I don't know which it is with most people I think it's just pure and simple cluelessness.

Lostonthemoors Tue 19-Feb-13 04:22:41

Cafecito thank you and couldn't agree more about grief. Once had a student desperately sad about her father dying suddenly. The head of our Uni department (uncaring type) basically told her she should be over it sad

I think lavender stethoscope smile

cafecito Tue 19-Feb-13 04:22:42

I read the tibetan book of the dead.. I think if you experience profound loss it forces you to reexamine your own beliefs about everything, and I found that a lot of buddhist teachings are really what I believe, there's a lot of wisdom in it

cafecito Tue 19-Feb-13 04:23:30

ooh, lavender - nice, soothing, quite clinical colour.. hmm.. hadn't thought of lavender! thanks lost!

Lostonthemoors Tue 19-Feb-13 04:25:28

I do think sometimes people want to say the right thing but don't want to get it wrong, so say nothing at all - I have definitely done this in the past to my shame blush

Now I have more experience of loss I know more how to deal with others' grief. Oddly enough my mc a few years ago has really helped me to reach out to others who have been bereaved.

cafecito Tue 19-Feb-13 04:30:32

I think saying nothing can be very hurtful at the time to the bereaved, as if their loss is contagious or something - further isolating them at the worst possible time but it is probably preferable to saying really hurtful or heartless stupid things smile it's so hard I guess, if you haven't experienced it, to know what to say. Even if you have, it's hard to now what to say, but you just tend to 'know' better than most that sometimes you don't need words at all, just a look, or a hug, or a kind gesture- can mean so much more than a polite 'sorry' etc <rambles... 4am style.. apologies> grin

cafecito Tue 19-Feb-13 04:32:36

do you feel comfortable reaching out to others though, lost? I have been through a heck of a lot of bereavement and I almost feel like I should reach out to others, and help them - but then actually, I can't really do it, I find it far too draining, I hate it and I disappear (feeling bad about one person, who I said I'd meet for a coffee back in december...)

Lostonthemoors Tue 19-Feb-13 04:33:09

I agree! Just saying I am so sorry you have lost him/her and sending a proper sympathy card is better than awkward shuffling/avoiding.

DS suddenly sleeping - yay smile going to try and drop off too.

Lostonthemoors Tue 19-Feb-13 04:35:24

Cafe sorry x posted-I do feel able to reach out, but only now because I am in a better place myself iyswim. I think I sometimes get compassion fatigue though as I seem to attract people who need me - I imagine you get a lot of being needed at work as it is.

Lostonthemoors Tue 19-Feb-13 04:35:55

Sleep well all if you can - logging off now.

cafecito Tue 19-Feb-13 04:37:24

kind of a lavendery-blue

cafecito Tue 19-Feb-13 04:39:53

yay for DS sleeping, good sleep lost - yeah just a card, is something many people don't bother with, which is rather shocking really. I think any action is better than nothing, unless it's a really hurtful comment, at least it should be taken in the way it is meant.

oooh., lilac scrubs...

BuddhaBelly Tue 19-Feb-13 16:47:13

Thanks for the concern about ds ladies apologies for not getting back sooner, he's much better. Quite used to high temps as he had many many ear infections before he had grommets fitted. All good now, they bounce back much better than us wink
Hope everyone else has got more sleep? X

BuddhaBelly Tue 19-Feb-13 16:49:10

Jy Sorry for your loss, grief affects people differently and there's no set agenda to coping, be kind to yourself

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Tue 19-Feb-13 21:23:37

Well I feel even worse now about my auntie and how I failed her. I did send a card and had a mass said for my uncle and phoned a few times but it was made clear that she didn't want to speak to anyone.

I wasn't uncaring. honestly. I just got flummoxed when I saw her recently. It was at a party and I lost confidence in myself with how to deal with it whether to bring it up or not. sad I wish is dealt with it better but it certainly wasn't because I didn't care.

cafecito Wed 20-Feb-13 00:29:17

sorry didn't mean to make anyone feel bad kitty. I think when it's a loss as profound as her DH kitty, it's never too late. If she didn't want to speak at the time, you did the right thing by not forcing the issue. But it's such a loss, that people will assume she is fine as time has gone by and actually, she may be hurting more now than before. You don't just get over such a thing, so if you are able to send her a little card in the post saying you are always free to talk if she needs it, or something like that, it would be 100x what anyone else has done (if you feel comfortable doing that, that is)

SummerDad Wed 20-Feb-13 00:54:03

hey night birds just logging in for tonight, going to be a long night I guess smile How are you dr cafe smile

cafecito Wed 20-Feb-13 01:25:06

Hi SummerDad- I'm going through boxes of files looking for a very important document for tomorrow, that I no longer seem to have... feeling chocolate remorse (have eaten way too much junk the past few days) and am nowhere remotely near sleepy. might be all night awakeness as have to be there by 8.30am and can't be late. eurgh

cafecito Wed 20-Feb-13 01:25:32

how are you? hope lots of people are sleeping tonight!

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Wed 20-Feb-13 01:48:30

awake with daughter. throat really sore again. painkiller fail for some reason. also think I've got conjunctivitis. feeling low. sad

cafecito Wed 20-Feb-13 01:50:56

thanks for kitty

you sound really run down sad

cafecito Wed 20-Feb-13 01:51:55

are you having lots of fresh fruit and juice and things in the day? <useless medical advice>

SummerDad Wed 20-Feb-13 01:56:02

Oh dear Kitty tonsillitis is a real pain, the only way for me to be away from it is to avoid all the cold drinks etc. I cant remember when did I had a chilled drink or water. I am not a medical doctor but sometimes changing the painkiller might work I guess. It might sound weird but gargles with Lysterene mouth wash works wonders and desensitizes the infected tonsils for me.

cafecito Wed 20-Feb-13 01:58:22

fizzy lime + ibuprofen

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Wed 20-Feb-13 01:58:46

not at the moment because it hurts so much to eat sad

usually i eat lots of fresh fruit and veg and salad crops and drink plenty of water.

SummerDad Wed 20-Feb-13 01:59:09

cafecito you are super fast smile.

Thistledew Wed 20-Feb-13 01:59:37

I'm still supposed to be working. sad

SummerDad Wed 20-Feb-13 02:01:40

Thistledew what do you do if you don't mind me asking smile.

Thistledew Wed 20-Feb-13 02:02:55


SummerDad Wed 20-Feb-13 02:05:57

Thistledew my goodness, working at this hour, just wonder in which professions people do have sensible hours.

plinkyplonks Wed 20-Feb-13 02:07:13

Tried to sleep - failed miserably brew

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Wed 20-Feb-13 02:07:30

I can have paracetamol and codeine at 3. can't wait.

thank you for the flowers cafe and the advice both of you. I don't have any fizzy lime I'm afraid. does it really work?

ice cream seems to help hmm

Thistledew Wed 20-Feb-13 02:08:39

Not this one, that's for sure. Deadlines is deadlines, and really serious consequences for your client if you miss them. It just gets rather frustrating when I get sent stuff to work on at the very last minute, then people wonder why I can't do about 15 hours work between the hours of 9-5.

cafecito Wed 20-Feb-13 02:09:08

when I grow up, I would like to be a barrister... smile

cafecito Wed 20-Feb-13 02:09:20

IF I grow up

cafecito Wed 20-Feb-13 02:09:43

the counsel I used to instruct on cases, were holy god creatures of knowledge

cafecito Wed 20-Feb-13 02:12:39

I concluded I would need 8 heads and 17 arms and to double the hours in the day to even come close to getting stuff done in time, when I worked in law, thistledew. deadlines sad indeed.

kitty - yes fizzy lime's where it's at, best made yourself though (lime cordial/juice of some description, plus fizz)

cafecito Wed 20-Feb-13 02:13:08

ibuprofen is antiinflammatory, so would be better than codeine really if you can have it

SummerDad Wed 20-Feb-13 02:14:07

cafecito if I remember correctly, you once worked for one of the big legal firms in the city. Are you a barrister too or still have to take exams. Sorry for sounding so ignorant about the legal profession smile

SummerDad Wed 20-Feb-13 02:15:48

cafecito, X posted sorry.

cafecito Wed 20-Feb-13 02:18:48

it's espec difficult with a family, there'd always be some kind of conference the very next day or a hearing and I'd just have to stay and bash it all out before I could leave, just because it had to get done- mayhem with young baby at home- not that I am remotely sensible with hours now.

kitty ice cream is good, because it will help to reduce inflammation...cytokines...phospholipase....stuff....

tonsils are good things though, they filter stuff, so I wish I still had mine even though they are evil when you have tonsilitis, they're good immune defenders

cafecito Wed 20-Feb-13 02:21:02

no I was a lowly solicitor, they pay barristers to do the real work for them wink

cafecito Wed 20-Feb-13 02:22:35

and barristers have garden parties, so they're all round much cooler creatures (except in crime)

SummerDad Wed 20-Feb-13 02:33:42

What do you think guys, is it not the time to split this thread?

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Wed 20-Feb-13 02:59:21

summerdad eh? split? waddya mean? who would get who in the divorce?

drcafe the codeine is for the pain interspersed with volterol for the inflammation.
Dr saucy Eric stolz ENT specialist recommended that cocktail. It had been working a treat since Sunday till 21.30 last night then all the pain broke through. I've just poked some yellow bits at the back with a you think I'll have done irreparable damage? confused <scared>

jynier Wed 20-Feb-13 03:30:59

SummerDad - When I saw your original thread, I thought that it would help people who were suffering with insomnia caused by grief; realised very quickly that this was not the case!!!

Hate the bereavement sites; suggestions come up on the right-hand side with pics of the dead in their coffins.

Don't think that this thread is the right place for me.

cafecito Wed 20-Feb-13 03:31:21

custody battle!? *tugs at kitty's skirt, wide eyed, clutching dishevelled teddy.. muttering about ice cream and alphabets..

cafecito Wed 20-Feb-13 03:32:39

<likes the sound of voltarol> stop prodding kitty!

cafecito Wed 20-Feb-13 03:34:35

Hi jynier, I figured this thread was just for anyone who was awake, you don't have to go to a bereavement site though (have personally never visited one) have you seen the bereavement section on mumsnet? if you wanted to chat, specifically, that is, but we're all here for you, when we are awake also, if you ever want to talk about it

cafecito Wed 20-Feb-13 03:39:59 I sometimes prefer nocturnal randomness here, but sometimes I post in one of the threads there too. I lost my DD a good few years ago, but still have trouble sleeping as a result of it (I say it's work related, but really I have made my life like this because I have chronically bad insomnia), I know there are specific threads for other losses too - my best friend died in bizarre circumstances shortly after DD and my grandparents, who brought me up. I joined MN when DD was ill, but was very glad for it after she died (I took a 3+ year MN break then came back). It can be so isolating, handling such raw grief on your own. Hope you find something that helps you jynier x

cafecito Wed 20-Feb-13 03:43:38

we are all 'here' for you though, remember that. we may be a crazy bunch smile but each and every one of us will understand on some level what is going on for you, and even if we haven't been through it ourselves, we are all here to listen if you just want a rant sometimes. I had quite bad PTSD for some time - I also get very bad nightmares. I have found counselling through my hospital is very helpful. I didn't have counselling initially as I was told they wouldn't be able to help me, but actually it really has. Do you ever speak to anyone?

jynier Wed 20-Feb-13 04:03:19

Cafe - Am so very sorry for your loss! What happened to your DD? Don't answer if it's too painful to recall. Thank you for your kindness! x

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Wed 20-Feb-13 04:11:33

jynier if our flippancy isn't what you need right now-isn't helping or is perhaps making things worse then perhaps this
isn't the thread for you. Only you will know that I suppose though.
However, please don't feel you have to go though just because it isn't a bereavement specific site or thread. No-one can dictate where one might find comfort, solace, support or distraction and I think it is important to not only recognise when you find it but to grab hold with both hands. I'm not saying this is the place for you, but if it is, please stay. smile thanks

Drcafecito I'm so very sorry to read your posts below. I had no idea that you had been through such a dreadful experience. No-one should ever have to bury their child. I can't imagine the type of pain you must have yo live with. thanks

jynier Wed 20-Feb-13 04:43:26

Feel very ill with grief but can't show it or express it! People don't understand and just want us to get back to "normal."

There won't ever be a "normal" again when we have experienced such a devastating loss! Our lives have changed forever.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Wed 20-Feb-13 05:09:38

Obviously you talk from your own experience, jynier but I don't think it is fair to say that people, as in everyone expects you to get back to normal. I certainly don't think that and wouldn't expect that. I might not have lost a child or husband but I have lost people who are close to me and I do understand grief and bereavement. I know that there is no normal and that things can never be the same again.

SummerDad Wed 20-Feb-13 20:36:49

jynier I am very sorry about your loss. You are right there won't ever be a normal again when we experience such a devastating experience. All we can hope is to get used to living with the pain for all the years to come and to accept this pain is the part of our life. I won't go into details but I am saying this from my own experience, living with a loss is like living with a chronic illness, every such loss is like a new wound which won't ever heal though we might come at terms with it in due course of time, some days would be better and others wont be.

When I started this thread I was really disturbed and was feeling too lonely, saw threads being updated one after the other in the middle of the night and just wondered why so many people could be awake in the early hours of the morning, nothing serious was intended really.

Midwife99 Wed 20-Feb-13 21:24:44

Cafe & jynier - I'm so sorry you have lost people you love & are still struggling to sleep as a result. I can't imagine losing any of my children, although DS2 aged 19 & his risky lifestyle worries me alot & that keeps me awake in itself.

Midwife99 Wed 20-Feb-13 21:26:39

I did the Night Nurse zombie bombs last night - feel really hung over today as a result but I slept for 10 hours. shock

cafecito Wed 20-Feb-13 21:27:59

On scary iPad apologies for typos in advance...only just opened the thing, waiting for a train at c.wharf, bleurgh. Yes jynier please stay if it helps and just pop in whenever you like, don't feel like you should be on a set type of thread smile I agree it can feel like everyone expects things to be back to normal, life moves on, their lives unaffected but yours forever shattered. Most people i used to work with didn't know, and hardly anyone on my course knows, to them I am happy happy funny etc. she had two liver transplants, jynier, was fine most of her life then suddenly very unwell so it was a terrible shock. I dont think we all reach a place of acceptance, some things are just unacceptable! some losses never can be reconciled with reality. I just think, as you know, that level of loss is so unimaginable, so huge and overwhelming, that it can either destroy you...or you can do what they would want you to do, move through it day by day as unbearable as it seems, but work the loss into your life. Because its so big, it just means everything else has to get bigger to house it as a permanent part of you. That makes no sense grin ho hum but yeah, we're here for you jynier x

cafecito Wed 20-Feb-13 21:29:10

Zombie bombs!! Sounds awesome grin I got...3 hours last night, wasn't late for school, so not too bad!

Midwife99 Wed 20-Feb-13 21:31:38

A couple of Night Nurse capsules & I'm away with the fairies but feel like the top of my head is missing the next morning but it's worth it Perhaps it's just me?!! grin

cafecito Wed 20-Feb-13 21:32:03

Summer dad you've started a revolution grin viva la midnight posting! Or is it a meme? I've been invited to 'Harlem shake' in neon leggings, told to bring props, forever on youtube...think I'll pass on that haha

Midwife99 Wed 20-Feb-13 21:32:05

Oh cafe how awful for you - how old was she? sad

cafecito Wed 20-Feb-13 21:32:23


cafecito Wed 20-Feb-13 21:35:39

Preschool, I had her pretty young. Next week is her birthday sad to me anyway, nobody else will remember, bit mopey at the moment. She died nearly 4 years ago now but though the raw horror has gone, it's replaced by distraction and disbelief, like none of it happened, it's just at anniversary times it occasionally hits me, or sometimes out of the blue. Sorry smile maybe I should try zombie meds all week!!

Midwife99 Wed 20-Feb-13 21:39:52

Oh Cafe - sadsadsad

MrsShrek3 Wed 20-Feb-13 22:03:42

still lurking. Nothing sensible to add, have also been awake yet again all night, love the zombie bombs theory envy I'm here worrying myself stupid about everything too so we're in good company. DH on the long slow road to recovering from cancer, this being far more scary than the chemo. weird but true.
Does it work if you go to bed ridiculously early? well like now (ahem this is most folks' bed time, hehee)

Midwife99 Wed 20-Feb-13 22:06:21

Hi Shrek - I always go to bed at 9pm & read & piss about on MN. Sometimes then sleep all night, sometimes wake at 2am whittling away!

MrsShrek3 Wed 20-Feb-13 22:08:00

might have to try it (I particularly love the "piss about on mn" part wink )

cafecito Wed 20-Feb-13 23:40:39

wow mrsshrek, can't imagine that. Can you explain why it's scarier (just being nosy medic, tell me to bugger orf) I don't have a lot of experience of cancer, really. My grandmother died from pancreatic cancer, I had a couple friends with endometrial cancer, a friend died of prostate cancer, and one is in remission. But I never know what to say- recently someone told me they had cancer and I had which is silly because I really should know.

ipad mini not as scary as I thought (luddite!)no idea what an app is though :D but provides more opportunity to piss about on MN all over the place!

9pm incredibly early!

No TV here but watching 'junior doctors' on iplayer- shocking how little experience they have, I guess I'm fortunate to have so much clinical stuff, but I would be shot down if I dared wear scrubs outside the hospital..

MrsShrek3 Wed 20-Feb-13 23:59:47

hehee cafe.... scarier because there's no treatment plan, testing every 14 days, chemo where you know stuff is "being done" - the diagnosing and the treatment plan part is all very active, obv. Then you get to the end of it, and all the scariness is still there (plus nine months and counting running on adrenaline) and shock horror no active treatment, no weekly hospital visits, none of the being constantly monitored comfort blanket iyswim. He's got three monthly CT/contrast scans and consultant appointments, but attempting to resume some sort of normality (as if we ever knew what that was wink ) is very odd indeed, and we have changed, the cancer journey has made us different. Closer, but very different from the people we were before. I don't want to ramble or do deep meaningful shit in the mood I'm in so will leave it there.
BTW, no response is right or wrong, like any other shitty situation, be it cancer, bereavement, whatever. if you are just there and people know that, it's enough. The best response I got was from a very good friend who said "ooh, that's a bit shite, innit" and carried on with our conversation about the price of something grin. Perfect ime. Obv wouldn't work for everyone grin

cafecito Thu 21-Feb-13 00:00:15

PS yay for DH smile hope people get some sleep tonight!

cafecito Thu 21-Feb-13 00:02:46

oh x posts mrsshrek, thank you for taking the time to explain. yes I understand what you mean now, there is no going back to normality after a diagnosis like that, it must be very surreal to be 'back' from a whirlwind of treatment like that. but great news- but yes, I can see how it would be scary. thank you

MrsShrek3 Thu 21-Feb-13 00:06:27

I would have thought that relief would be the biggie tbh, but we haven't got there yet, still too busy being paranoid, shitting ourselves, etc grin hmm

indeedy, yay for DH. If the idea of remission sinks in.

anyway, sleep? I think I remember what that was. I keep offering to take in babies for friends, so they can sleep (because they want to) and I am awake regardless. None of them have taken me up on it yet, the fools grin
Nocturnal childminding services, do you think I have a business idea here then...

Midwife99 Thu 21-Feb-13 07:45:05

Mrs Shrek - go onto Chocoraisin's thread & offer yourself - she's bite your hand off at the moment!!
It was all quiet from midnight - we all slept?! grin

Midwife99 Thu 21-Feb-13 07:49:18

Chocoreturns actually now!

cafecito Thu 21-Feb-13 20:59:28

I'm going to assume people slept! No sleep for me though, then felt wrecked all of today. What have I learned .. sleep is good.

Anyone want my DS when I do nightshifts please? thanks v much !

I think anxiety is quite a usual feeling rather than relief Mrs Shrek, we are taught that many patients find this kind of transition stage the most difficult, so it's great he has such a lovely family for support (though it must really take it out of you as well)

I am eating chocolate blush and I cancelled all workouts today. cafecito is blobbing out post-exams!

Midwife99 Thu 21-Feb-13 21:26:15

Will you sleep tonight Cafe? It sounds like tonight could be the night?

SummerDad Thu 21-Feb-13 22:15:20

Hi Cafe and Midwife, yes luckily I managed to have a good sleep last night. The way it happens is quite strange, I suddenly sort of crash at any time after the midnight never been able to predict about this smile.
Midwife, you are right sleep is good I guess. How do you manage DS when you do night shifts. I reckon I would love to do night shifts if I were in medical profession as I have been a chronic nocturnal creature since ever smile

Ravotar Thu 21-Feb-13 22:25:36

Hope you don't mind me stumbling into your thread. I hope you all get some sleep and peace.

jynier you sound in so much pain. Do you really think people are pushing you to get back to normal? Shame on them, if so. Do you have support IRL? Family? Friends? Have you considered professional help? It is the only thing that got me through. And I say 'got me through', I mean 'gets me through'. It is learning to live with a new and unwanted kind of normal.

SummerDad Thu 21-Feb-13 22:42:26

Ravotar welcome to the thread smile

MrsShrek3 Thu 21-Feb-13 23:48:34

pmsl midwife...I returned to the thread many times til 4am but even I draw the line at holding a conversation with myself grin

chocolate???! wink
how's everyone doing this evening?

cafecito Fri 22-Feb-13 00:24:51

haha I was tiptoeing about thiinking, shhh they're asleep. cafecito don't make any noise grin

ravotar- hi, and agree it's about learning to live with a new and unwanted normal, good advice. jynier - do you get the chance to speak to anyone in RL?

it's not always helpful, for years I didn't

I am being naughty this evening, have done no work, have eaten my bodyweight in chocolate, and downloaded some totally bizarre songs on itunes to add to a 'library' playlist.

cafecito Fri 22-Feb-13 00:27:14

but what I meant to say is, now that I have seen a counsellor (not even specialist counselling) it's much better - just to make sense of stuff in my own brain really. It makes me more self aware, ie, this is why I feel the things I feel, etc. it gives some 'containment' for something which otherwise would be driving me mad at the moment. allows me to spill in a safe place. Then again, haven't seen her for ages hmm can you tell grin

jynier Fri 22-Feb-13 03:02:36

ravotar - Thank you for your kind comments!

I am usually the RL problem-solver for others; ironic, eh?

Would love to sleep properly; unfortunately, suffer from nightmares and vivid dreams.

MrsHoarder Fri 22-Feb-13 03:12:19

Hello again. Gave up MN for lent, but DH is currently in A&E with chest pain whilst I leave the bedroom in silence so DS goes to sleep. Feel sick with worry, but know dragging a baby into A&E will just make everyone's lives worse.

izzyizin Fri 22-Feb-13 03:14:11

I'm so very sorry for your loss, jynier. Being no stranger to bereavement I know that tiime doesn't heal but its passing does enable us to reach some accomodation with our grief whereby we muddle along in much the same way as we always did, albeit that we are irrevocably changed in ways that words cannot fully describe. I must confess those who ask 'are you feeling better now?', as if you've had the common cold, narrowly escape being punched in the mouth given a verbal lambasting angry

My new sooper-dooper 'walking aids' were put through their paces Friday before last when I went out for drinks at a ritzy hotel bar and they didn't look out of place. In fact, they attracted sufficient admiration to cause more than several one drink to be sent over to me 'with compliments'.

That same night I experienced a Life of Brian 'It's a miracle moment' in which I was able to walk to the powder room and back unaided. I felt quite the fraud as I sauntered through the bar but, unfortunately, the power of whisky sour soon evaporated and it was a very different story the next day.

I've kind of superceded the pain barrier and have dispensed with the heavy duty pain killers unless the discomfort has been so intrusive that popping a couple is absolutely necessary. If only I could just stay ratarsed inebriated and float above it...

I'm necking krill oil, glucosamine/chondroitin, collagen, calcium, zinc, vitamin d, and greenlipped mussel capsules like there's no tomorrow and one/other/all does seem to ease this condition, albeit that it could simply be that I've got used to it and have become accustomed to the limitations its placed on my ability to function 'normally'. How did similarly afflicted souls cope before the advent of online shopping?

My highy paid quack (no offence intended to cafecito) in London is adamant that it's replacement or nowt. However, my pa and our family doc are researching the success rate of stem cell treatment and this may be a non-surgical option which I'll try before giving further thought to 'going under the knife' or, rather, the Black & Decker.

I did resolve not to use this space to bang on about the joy of osteoarthritis but, by god, I need a place to vent so it's a mea culpa from me and my best wishes for a good night to all of you.

MrsHoarder Fri 22-Feb-13 03:27:34

Having now read more than this page of posts, I just wanted to add that I am very sorry for your losses jynier and cafecito you are of course very welcome to keep posting on the thread, from what I can tell its for those of us who are awake and fretting/suffering into the small hours.

Hope the nifty stem cell stuff works for you izzy

Can someone tell me that DH hasn't got back to me because the medics have taken him seriously in triage and are doing medical things instead of leaving him in the waiting room rather than because he's unconscious too please?

MrsShrek3 Fri 22-Feb-13 03:32:56

cafe - that all makes sense. good to hear counselling works for you.

mrsHoarder. virtual hand holding services here smile hope you get news about your DH. waiting's hideous sad
and izzy, am in awe of you. I do hope the posh walking aids have go faster stripes improved your ability to get mobile (why do things always work better with alcohol? wink ) Impressive cocktail you've got going on there I must say. perhaps sounds like something you should be marketing wink (would help pay for said Quack) grin and rant away. very therapeutic.

MrsShrek3 Fri 22-Feb-13 03:35:24

sorry jynier meant to add - you can't be the RL Problem Solver for everyone else all the time. be kind to yourself smile

wakeupandsmellthecoffee Fri 22-Feb-13 04:00:24

Dont wantto go to bed as that will make. it real.My lovely mum died last night .Feel numb and then it comes in waves.I have never felt such sence of non reality

MrsHoarder Fri 22-Feb-13 04:03:01

So sorry wakeup. Have an un mn hug.

izzyizin Fri 22-Feb-13 04:06:13

Don't fret, MrsHoarder. Your dh is being monitored in triage by means of assorted gizmos attached to various parts of his body and he's reluctant to call you for fear he might disturb your sleep.

When I left said bar I suspect those who exited at the same time would have preferred my crutches 'walking aids' to be fitted with indicators rather than the reflectors that come as standard, MrsShrek. Not that I was in any condition to tell left from right operate them smile

MrsShrek3 Fri 22-Feb-13 04:09:19

wakeup sad ((hugs))
no idea what else to say, except we are here and feel for you.

MrsShrek3 Fri 22-Feb-13 04:12:52

izzy- grin awesome. do it again soon. if the rest of the, umm, pissheads partypeople were in the same inibriated condition then I doubt they'd have noticed. if you want indicators then get a horn fitted toowink

cafecito Fri 22-Feb-13 04:12:59

wakeup so, so sorry for your loss sad we're here for you.

MrsShrek3 Fri 22-Feb-13 04:16:05

how are you doing tonight cafe?

izzyizin Fri 22-Feb-13 04:16:20

I'm so very sorry your dm has passed, wakeup. It will feel unreal for some time to come and all you can do is simply go with it as there are no shortcuts when it comes to dealing with grief.

My heart goes out to you; be kind to yourself in the coming days and take every opportunity to express your emotions to those who love and care for you as they will always love and care for your lovely dm.

cafecito Fri 22-Feb-13 04:17:05

mrshoarder oh dear- I think in this case, no news is good news. bad news = someone call family, good news = triaged, taken very seriously with those symptoms, being investigated, no time or ability to reach for a mobile

izzy krill oil, I have heard wonderous things about- so good you're feeling like you can find a way forward that may not have to involve black & deckering yourself. stem cells = brilliant idea. surgery for things where there are more advanced treatment options available = makes me cross (not with you, with doctors and policy makers)

jynier I have nightmares too, very vivid ones, which is probably half the reason my not sleeping habit is quite comfortable

cafecito Fri 22-Feb-13 04:25:07

wakeup, I agree with the wise words of izzy- disbelief is how you will feel for some time. do take the help and support offered by others. do be very kind to yourself at the moment. its a truly awful thing. post here if you want to 'talk' about it- you will keep going over it probably. it's ok to shout and cry. massive hug for you tonight x

cafecito Fri 22-Feb-13 04:28:56

you know what made me cross recently, that medical students are taught the 5 stages of grief and told that that's how it is, then it's done and dusted in less than 6 months. ridiculous advice. kubler ross herself acknowledged the swapping, jumping, skipping of the stages- she did a lot of excellent work, but tomorrow's doctors, myself included, are being told a load of rubbish (about many things, not just this). It's literally taught- 'these are the stages, 123.. then resolved in a couple weeks or a couple months. the end'. If I get out with half an ability to think independently and critically I will consider myself lucky.

MrsShrek3 Fri 22-Feb-13 04:35:08

it's a lot of bollocks isn't it.... counsellors are taught the same stage model yano hmm asif you can put a time limit on anything like this (appols for teenspeak, catching it from my kids but quite appropriate here imho) Grief is the most unique disorientating thing which no theory can even start to describe.

wakeupandsmellthecoffee Fri 22-Feb-13 04:42:29

Thankyou. for the kind ithoughts itt is just so sureel .Ive just put a load of washing on the.I think Im losing the plot .
I cant stop worrying about my stepdad .

MrsHoarder Fri 22-Feb-13 04:47:38

Hope you ask manage to get some sleep. Dh is fine (sprained a chest muscle) apparently) and I'vepicked him up (so we're all awake again.

MrsShrek3 Fri 22-Feb-13 04:57:53

good news, mrsHoarder smile
by tomorrow you may well be cursing him when you're knackered but heygrin

izzyizin Fri 22-Feb-13 05:32:19

Life and death are surreal, wakeup, but we don't become aware of this until we have our own intensely personal experience of bereavement and the grief it engenders.

The Kubler Ross model that cafecito referred to has it that the 5 stages of grief are denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance but her research was based on the feelings expressed by terminally ill patients who were themselves facing their own mortality rather than those who would be left bereaved by their passing.

Unfortunately, this model has been applied to other forms of grief such as that experienced through divorce or other family break up. Some no doubt will fit the model, but others may not experience the emotions it defines sequentially, or may experience some but not all of the 5 alleged stages.

Bereavement is an intensely personal experience which defies any formulaic attempt to restrict it either by time, or by compartmentalising the various emotions it invokes in us, and all we can do is hold the memory of our loved ones clear and dear as we go through the uniquely individual rite of passage which is coming to terms with their loss - and it should be accepted that we may never come to terms with it.

You may find that any faith you may have in an afterlife will sustain you through these dark days but, even if your faith is strong, you may still want to scream 'Why?' at the universe because knowing why we are destined to be mortal beings may bring us some crumbs of comfort when we are faced with the enormity of losing those we love most in the world.

During the coming months you may feel as if you are trying to make sense of nonsense; please know that whatever feeings you experience are entirely natural and have been felt by others before you.

izzyizin Fri 22-Feb-13 05:40:48

I first found reference to krill oil on this site, cafecito where another m/netter mentioned that it had relieved arthritis in her hip to the extent that she could get back down on the floor to play with her grandchildren.

Needless to say, I made an immediate purchase of this hopefully miraculous substance in the form of 500mg capsules for which the directions are 1-2 a day with the caution 'do not exceed stated dose'.

However, I have since discovered that krill oil is available in 1500mg capsules and Holland & Barrett's version recommends 2 a day 'do not exceed stated dose'.

So, do I up my 500mg numbers to 6 a day or do I simply invest in a bottle from H&B? What woud DrCafe prescribe? smile

MrsHoarder Fri 22-Feb-13 06:25:54

Just want to note that I hate mornings.

Midwife99 Fri 22-Feb-13 06:41:43

I think nightmares & vivid dreams are a sign that your subconscious really wants to express it's feelings. Maybe talking therapy would diminish the nightmares & lead to more restful sleep?

Midwife99 Fri 22-Feb-13 06:45:37

I too would be very interested to hear about krill oil doses & stem cell treatment for my arthritis - I was told at 40 that there was no other option than a replacement but wish to avoid like the plague & soldier on.

cafecito Fri 22-Feb-13 20:07:55

anti-litigation hat on.. I'm not a doctor yet grin but midwife definitely try krill oil. In fact, I think I shall remind myself to buy some krill oil, I'm sure everyone could benefit at a low dose regularly. I bought some for someone once, quite a few years ago, cost loads but think was only just being made available at that time.

izzy I would say... go with the supplements you think are of the higher quality possibly not the holland&barrett ones though please HB dont sue me

I think with most of these things, cold processing is good (preserves as much of the good stuff..) and not using nasty gases and things in the processing of the supplement.

In terms of dosage I reckon it's probably pretty safe- unless you are pregnant (vitamin A) or have any bleeding disorders, or take any other drugs that can affect coagulation, because it can inhibit platelet aggregation.

It directly affects the liver and arachidonic acid (among many other things) but aa is used in the formation of prostaglandins, and leucotriene and thromboxanes.. it inhibits the COXetc enzyme pathways before they've begun, if you like, and how aspiring works as an antiinflammatory is directly on the COX enzyme, so it's a very advance pre-anti inflammatory..

and does loadsa other great things too

So I think anything between 1 and 3g a day would be safe

I doubt you'd see an enormous benefit in upping to 3g, maybe go middle of the road and have 1.5g a day for a time, then down it to 1g..

I only say this because there have been studies in long term fish oil supplementation that show high doses (sort of 2,3g a day) can be harmful- if we take krill oil to be a far superior fish oil, it could be that it could potentially cause some of the same effects as having too much fish oil supplementation. Obvs the body has to process and metabolise excesses of anything we take in.. and of course all these benefits really depend on co-actions in the body anyway, coenzymes and other substances and also our baseline diet

Krill oil benefits are reported at low doses such as 300g. while krill oil is probably very very safe, much more so than regular supplementation, I'd still say probably stick to 1-1.5g

when I can't sleep later, I might research carbon valencies in krill oil and come up with some marvellous reason why a certain dosage is just right because of how many bonds it can make and therefore how easily it could cause oxidative damage, and so on and so forth.. or I could google it.. but have to get a train now, don't want to go all the way to paddington (it's snowing, and I am very late) <waa>

Midwife99 Fri 22-Feb-13 22:20:41

Thanks Cafe - I will investigate online purchasing!!

jynier Fri 22-Feb-13 22:41:25

wakeup - Am very deeply sorry for the loss of your mother; words are not enough! Thinking of you and sending love. xxx <3

jynier Fri 22-Feb-13 22:54:04

Izzy - The benefits of zinc are enormous, especially if your everyday diet is lacking in certain nutrients BUT zinc should always be taken on its own and not mixed with other supplements! It interferes with the absorption of iron (which is also very important).

MrsShrek3 Fri 22-Feb-13 23:20:40

didn't know about not mixing zinc with other vits....I have high dose vit C and zinc (when I remember) often in the afternoon, but take iron in the morning.whaddyathink?

cafecito Fri 22-Feb-13 23:33:44

That's fine Mrs shrek. Yes jynier you're absolutely right about zinc, zn deficiency accounts for so many symptoms. Now on train, somewhere in a field...going to be a long night..

cafecito Fri 22-Feb-13 23:34:47

Try to avoid taking the iron with coffee or tea though, ideally

cafecito Fri 22-Feb-13 23:36:29

Orange juice would be good

MrsShrek3 Fri 22-Feb-13 23:37:29

yes, also heard about coffee/tea link. And also not to have coffee after a meal as it eliminates any iron content that your body may have got from that meal.

jynier Fri 22-Feb-13 23:50:55

To all of you who are taking supplements: - always take zinc separately and never buy multi-vitamins in which z. is included. Best to take 15 mg dose late in the evening- it promotes healing and helps restore taste and smell. I have no medical qualifications, btw, but was able to dispense with my walking aids quite quickly after taking zinc. It is also supposed to help with sexual ... crikey, dunno what to say now!!!

Supposed to put a bit of lead in the pencil, IYKWIM!

cafecito Sat 23-Feb-13 00:18:33

grin can I please adopt the saying put a bit of lead in the pencil for future medical practice, jynier? It's masterful grin I am still on my train, in a rickety carriage doing medical quizzes listening to brazilian funk music...occasionally dance a bit when nobody can see Friday night fun

jynier Sat 23-Feb-13 00:21:32

Can't believe my post! For the first time in three years, I've taken an interest in other people rather than being mired in my grief! Thanks, MN and *SummerDad."

jynier Sat 23-Feb-13 00:22:10

SummerDad obviously!

cafecito Sat 23-Feb-13 00:22:44

we have lengthy tutorials on what to call body parts in a dumbingdown for joepublic style, and when asking permission to do certain examinations. Always makes it sound much worse imo, we get marks for saying ridiculous stuff...I'm saving lead in pencil for my next osce grin

cafecito Sat 23-Feb-13 00:25:09

Yes thank you summerdad!

cafecito Sat 23-Feb-13 00:27:55

and thank you jynier, a. for making me crack a smile when I was very money and b. I didn't know about taking zinc separately

kitty hope you're ok if you are around and not too many quacks

MissAliceBand Sat 23-Feb-13 01:53:15

I am almost always up at this hour

But this time I have learned something, and have taken note.

So thank you grin

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sat 23-Feb-13 02:16:52

Hi cuddy cafe. I'm here. have had an on and off week quack-wise. My tonsilitis is on the move but was joined by conjunctivitis halfway through.sad I've been keeping on the ice cream as per doctors orders. grin

Still being disappointed in the house hunting.

You seem to be on a massive south American tip. Is there a reason for this or does it just inexplicably draw you?

why are you in a train in a field?

Summerdad what's this I hear about your pencil?

jynier you're norty grin nice to detect a playful quality to your post. How are you?

so should we all be taking krill or just summerdad for his pencil and those of who need to lubricate joints.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sat 23-Feb-13 02:20:24

hi wakeup. sad I spoke to you on your other thread. How are the logistics working out? Any nearer sorting? Are you in Spain yet?

How are you? thanks

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles Sat 23-Feb-13 02:21:38

welcome MissAliceBand smile

MissAliceBand Sat 23-Feb-13 02:25:32

Thanks Kitty grin

Wakeup I am really sorry about your Mum.