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Does your husband 'eye up' other women when you're out together? Would it bother you?

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starsareshining · 26/05/2010 10:30

This hasn't actually happened to me yet (as far as I'm aware) but a phone conversation with my partner last night has left me feeling really annoyed. I was telling him about a man who watches me in the supermarket and how I find it really irritating and creepy. This happens every single week despite the fact that he's with his family. I'm not just talking occasional glances either, but full on open-mouthed gazing to the point where he's completely ignoring his family. I'm not some kind of irresistible goddess so can only assume that this is how he regularly behaves. It makes my skin crawl and I think it's really disrespectful to his wife.

I was telling him about all of this and he started telling me that the guy was doing nothing wrong. He said that 'creepy' is only an idea that has come about within the past 30 years and before then I probably would have found it flattering. I disagreed and he told me that men quite literally can't help themselves, partly due to psychological reasons and partly due to conditioning. I asked whether he would be unable to stop himself 'checking out' a woman even if I was with him and he said 'No, probably not'. This absolutely made my blood boil. It just seems so weak and pathetic. I don't walk around staring at men and don't lust after people I see walking down the street. Is that unusual?

He basically said that this guy is doing nothing wrong because his behaviour is not threatening and he's just looking at someone he finds attractive, which people should be allowed to do. I just want to do my shopping and not feel like I can't lean over the trolley because he's watching. I think that if your behaviour is making someone feel uncomfortable then it is definitely not OK. I haven't ever told him to stop but why should I have to do something really awkward like that when I just want to get on with my shopping in peace?? Surely he's been around people enough to know that this isn't generally considered OK. And he must be able to read my facial expressions as he's doing it. Whenever I look directly at him he looks away so he clearly doesn't think it's OK either!

I was just really, REALLY angry at what my partner said to me last night. And I definitely made the distinction between just looking at people and 'checking them out' (sorry if the phrase makes you cringe, didn't know how else to explain it). I'm not expecting people to walk around with their eyes closed and I can see whether people would generally be considered attractive or not, but I don't start eyeing them up in the street.

I know that most people think it's fine to look as long as you don't touch but I'm really not ok with it. I do have issues with the way my appearance and, at times, very low self-esteem which is probably why I feel this way. He says that I should 'deal with it'. I don't know whether he means that I should force him to stop or just kid myself into thinking that it's fine.

So, it'd be great if you could tell me that I'm right to think that way. He's much better at arguing things than I am so I'll never get anywhere on my own. Alternatively, tell me why I'm wrong and explain why I shouldn't feel bad about it. I was almost in tears over it last night. It just makes me feel inadequate.

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starsareshining · 26/05/2010 10:33

Also, I should just mention that I don't mean that any behaviour which makes people feel uncomfortable should be stopped. Some people clearly feel uncomfortable with very normal things (breastfeeding, for example) and it would be mad to expect people to stop that and spare their feelings. However, doing something which is making someone's skin crawl doesn't seem right. I supposed it's unwanted sexual attention. It does seem a bit extreme to call it that since the guy isn't walking around and grabbing me, but that's how it feels.

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thesunshinesbrightly · 26/05/2010 10:52

My oldest son's dad used to stare,shout and whistle at other girl's, i was only young at the time and it still annoyed me.

Thank god i have to say i have never had another man like it.

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Poledra · 26/05/2010 10:53

No, Dh does not and I would consider it to be extremely unpleasant if he did, both for me and the person he'd be staring at!

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying DH does not notice a pretty woman in the street (hell, I notice pretty women in the street ) but he wouldn't openly gawp at them.

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ImSoNotTelling · 26/05/2010 10:58

No it's not acceptablt to gawp and stare at someone you find attractive, especially if they are obviously uncomfortable. If they start smiling back then yes of course, but if they look uncomfortable and avert their gaze, no way.

Staring at someone is intimidating. Your partner is wrong. If he wants to compare to animals and say it's all "natural", the fact is that for most mammals, staring is a threat.

I mean of course people glance at people around them, and if someone is attractive they might glance again, or look when the person is not looking. That is normal behaviour.

What your partner is describing is not normal behaiour, certainly not in UK society.

As for this "30 years ago people didn't find it creepy, they found it flattering" WTF? That is just insane. Creepy men have always been creepy. Women have always been conditioned to smile and go along with it, that conditioning has been weakened, but still it happens all the time. Women have always found starey men creepy

I don't know what to say. I'm really sorry.

But the man in the supermarket is creepy.
And if I were you I would be really worried by yout partner's attitude.

Ask him if is OK for men to stare at anyone they fancy. Really? 16yo? 14yo? 12 yo? 8yo? See what he says if I were you I'd be interested to know his response to that. if it's not OK at any of those ages, why not? What does he think the difference is? If it's all just harmless fun.

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thesunshinesbrightly · 26/05/2010 10:58

I think if men(which most do) look it's only respectful to do it away from your OH.
I totally get how you feel and don't doubt that you are wrong to feel like that, it is uncomfortable but not really sure what you can do about that man, maybe shop somewhere else or go at a different time.

My current partner would not stand for that and would knock his head off but suppose not all men are the same.

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Mandi1984 · 26/05/2010 10:59

Relentless staring at someone is not flattering, it is creepy!

I would do an exaggerated stare back until he got embarrassed. I have done this before with great effect.

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Lizzylou · 26/05/2010 10:59

NO, DH doesn't, I'd find it extremely rude and disrespectful. It' more likely to be me who says "Wow, she's got a nice figure" or comment on someone's dress etc. Not saying that he doesn't notice other women, he does, but he is not that type of man.

My Ex-Stepfather was awful for this type of thing. Constant leering, flirting with waitresses etc which went too far, as a teen my friend's hated coming over as he made them feel so uncomfortable with his gawping and comments.
My Mother suffered terribly and her self-esteem was rock bottom (and she was/is a very bautiful woman) since she divorced him she is a different person.

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Alibabaandthe40nappies · 26/05/2010 11:12

No he doesn't, and yes it would bother me hugely if he did.

I would be really worried about your partner's attitude, it's very disrespectful to you, and to anyone he is staring at.

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Angelcat666 · 26/05/2010 11:16

It's one thing noticing someone and thinking he/she is attractive but what you're describing is completely different and wrong.

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OrientCalf · 26/05/2010 11:16

I know DP will spot an attractive woman, but openly ogling is unpleasant

(why are you and this man and his family always in the supermarket at the same time? that is odd - does he drag them all out when he knows you'll be there or something?)

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ItsGraceAgain · 26/05/2010 11:39

Unless DP misunderstood you - and thought you meant an admiring look instead of a scary stare - he's WRONG! Thirty years ago, I was 25: my friends and I would definitely not have been flattered, and did use the word "creep"!

My ex used to do this thing where he'd actually stop in his tracks and turn to stare at a woman's bum or breasts. He said he was 'just looking' but, really, it was all part of his emotional abuse. I feel sorry for that man's wife.

I would stare back at him - or go up & tell him off, but then I'm not terribly subtle. I'd also be wondering what other peculiar attitudes my DP has ...

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AnyFucker · 26/05/2010 14:35

OC...I thought that too, why is the OP always at the supermarket at exactly the same time as this man ????

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Squitten · 26/05/2010 19:45

DH notices pretty girls and points them out to me. I notice pretty girls and point them out to him. Same thing happens, the other way around, with guys. It's completely non-threatening and more a discussion of why we find them attractive than anything else!

There is a big difference between noticing someone is good looking and having a quick peek and staring at them so obviously that the person in question notices! That's not good, it's creepy!

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HecateQueenOfWitches · 26/05/2010 19:47

Not noticed him doing it and yes it would bother me because I am terribly insecure.

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mitfordsisters · 26/05/2010 20:34

I can't bear that wandering eye thing some men have - when you're staring off into space and suddenly realise some bloke is gawping or has suddenly assumed you are interested because you have glanced in their generally direction. Usually they are young and vain (and single), but sometimes old enough to know better and just disrespectful and creepy.

Me and my dh discussed this just after we married, and agreed it's not appropriate to check people out in this way. It's really intrusive for one thing, and also undermines trust within the relationship. Not to say that we don't occasionally comment on other people being gorgeous, but neither of us 'look'.

IMO, your partner is failing to support you by siding with some creep who stares at you in the supermarket - this is not on. Why would he defend another man's right to make you feel uncomfortable? Is he generally supportive and loving in other ways?

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mayorquimby · 26/05/2010 20:35

Yup check them out all the time. Not open mouth panting and wolf whistling checking out but I'd definitely look twice if I saw someone I found attractive.

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LynetteScavo · 26/05/2010 20:38

No, he doesn't. DH doesn't like being slapped has too much respect for me.

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