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Oh dear. Epic. Clarity desperately needed!

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Undertone · 03/01/2010 14:27

There are no DCs involved in this situation (I'm a long-time lurker on MN; there aren't that many sites at all on the internet where sensible women can get together and talk about David Tennant AND poor use of grammar all in one place!) I trust the MN judgment - perhaps more so than that of my RL friends. I'm pathetically grateful for their strident and faithful support of me, but I just can't shake this feeling that I'm being a totally unreasonable harpy in many aspects of my recent break-up. I need to be told straight.

I'm so, so sorry for the length of this - but as others have said, a big part of the MN therapy is getting it all down in black and white! Could I suggest a cup of tea and a comfy chair?

(Edit: I have re-read this and it is absolutely epic - maybe you need a sandwich or something as well to keep you going?)

Now Ex-P and I moved into a wee flat in June 2009. Our relationship had been quite up and down, but as he was still living with his parents (at 26! where were the warning bells?!) and I was in a big houseshare (at 26! maybe I should get a better job...) we thought some space of our own would let the relationship develop more naturally and stress-free. We'd basically been 'living' in my bedroom in my houseshare for a year (a couple of short-lived break-ups notwithstanding), so a whole flat to ourselves would be wildly luxurious, we thought.

It didn't take long for that little fantasy to wither and die. The flat is ground floor level with venetian blinds on all the windows. P would demand they be kept totally closed at all times, even on sunny weekend mornings, as he couldn't stand the thought of people seeing in (at us in our dressing gowns?! People surely have better things to do...), so we lived in almost total darkness. Then other things started. P would get cross if I sat on 'his' half of the sofa. He would get incensed if I spoke on the phone to my family or friends for longer than a few minutes ('I've been sitting here like a lemon for 15 minutes! Couldn't you call them when I'm not here?!'). We stopped having sex unless I did all the work (I literally mean ALL the work. It was like finding out what necrophilia was like...).

However. I freely admit I am quite a passive-aggressive person. In Sainsbury's, if he stopped to browse for junk food (which he adored and I HATE), I would march on with the trolley to the aisle with the next item on my list. He would then lose me and spend a furious 10 minutes scurrying round the shop to try and find me again. In the absence of affection being offered, I started to withhold it myself. I put on weight, even though I moaned about how I looked. If he was indecisive in a public place (restaurant, etc), I would bossily take charge. I took no interest in his love for all things computer-y, and would read in the other room while he noisily killed various things with lasers. The whole computer games thing was a massive part of his life, and I blocked it out; refusing to even consider joining in.

So! As you can see. Typical case of people just not being suited to each other, really. Typical pattern; big arguments when we were tipsy, declining intimacy, apologies, more arguments, etc. We had two very different outlooks; even though, in the early stages, I had thought the relationship could get serious, I now thought it was just a bit of fun while we were both young and I would probably need someone very different for the whole marriage and kids fiasco. On the other hand, he thought all our problems were mere drawing pins on the merry pathway to getting hitched, and that relationships are there to be worked at. True, but when the pathway is ALL drawing pins...

The last month we were together it was really bad. He would grab my belly and shake it to be unkind. He would calmly wind me up to tears then tell me he couldn't speak with me if I were going to attempt to manipulate him by crying. After hardly touching for days, he demanded oral sex, which I gave him (I thought it could lead to some give-and take!), but grabbed my head and pushed so deep that I vomited (at which point he came! Horrendous!)

Gosh. I am wittering, aren't I? Hang on in there!

Long story short slightly less long, I came back from a two-day business trip to find the pans I had used to cook dinner for us before going away still dirty, spilled gravy from aforesaid dinner still smeared on the floor, and the dirty laundry in the machine still waiting to be switched on! It had all been a last-minute panic to pack and leave for the trip, and I realise I hadn't asked him to do it... but come on! As I was surveying the mess, he also came through the front door, announced that he had had a hard day, wanted to slump in front of the TV, and promptly buggered off to the sitting room, saying I should join him too. 'Ho hum', thinks I. On with the machine, wash up the pans, and I was just on my hands and knees scrubbing this blimmin gravy off the floor, when P stormed into the kitchen: 'What the hell are you doing? I've been sitting waiting for you in the front room for ages! Why do you always keep me waiting?!'

So, naturally, I went absolutely mental. I called him names, I screamed at him. I said he was pathetic and selfish. I said that this was the end. I had had enough. No room for negotiation at all. I wouldn't even listen to him. I grabbed my stuff and went to stay with my brother and turned the phone off.

This was on November 20th 2009. As we moved in at the end of June, the earliest we could serve our notice was the end of December 2009, and the notice period is two months - the tenancy won't finish until February 27th 2010.

Staying with my supremely kind brother wasn't a permanent option - he shares a tiny flat with his girlfriend. My parents live a 2-hour train journey from where I work. I didn't tell my parents I had broken up with P (they really weren't that keen on him in the first place, and I was ashamed they had been proved right in the end). I borrowed my parent's spare little camp bed ('for a guest we'll be having to stay') and went back to the flat to live in the box room/office. P stayed in the double room.

I don't need to tell you that it was ghastly. On the plus side, I did spend a lot of time out with my friends so I could get away! On December 20th I was going to stay with my parents for two weeks, so I thought I could hack it for a month. The box room is an extension to the house, and its damp course isn't properly set. Mildew bloomed on the walls from the extra dampness cased by my sleeping breath. I developed a racking cough.

I came home from another business trip to find two of my crystal champagne flutes (presents from ex-P's parents) out, dirty, on the kitchen worksurface. He had asked his ex over while I was away, and had bought a bottle of fizz for them to enjoy. He had washed up everything else.

The arguments were awful. Christ knows what the poor woman upstairs thought. I seemed to have turned into a totally different person; screaming like a fishwife, making awful insults, digging up everything he had ever done wrong. I was appalled at myself, but P would make a comment like 'is it really over? I thought you were just having a big strop...' and I would go postal again. It was all so stressful that one time I stood in front of the train station after work, unable to get on the train, sobbing. Unasked, a Big Issue man went into Pret a Manger to get napkins for me to blow my nose!

Ex-P and I talked about what we were going to do. We went through some periods where we were able to talk to each other. Before I had moved to the city I had done the 2-hour each way commute from my parents' to work, and I said I could do it again. I would cover my £400 pcm share of the rent, but he would have to cover all the bills himself (£120 council tax, £60 gas/leccy, £25 internet and phone pcm). He said he couldn't afford it. He would have to move out, but wouldn't commit to when. By this time I had caved and confessed to my parents that all this was happening. They offered him £200 pcm to move out. He refused the money - I think it was the way I put it to him: 'will [this] make you just fucking leave?'

I went home on 20th December, which was unbelievably lovely. He had agreed to move out between Christmas and New Year. When I returned on 2nd January he would be gone. I got a text from ex-P on 30th December after he had moved out the last of his stuff: 'remind me why I am paying any rent again? I mean - you did force me to leave.' After a frank exchange of views, and begging my parents to help with the money (they had thought their offer was rejected), I am indeed now paying £200 a month to him, all the bills, and my own rent. He is paying £200 a month until the end of February, so £400 in total - which is a lot, I do understand, for not living somewhere and being dumped.

He will not accept responsibility for his part in the relationship breakdown, and finds it laughable that I have any right to criticise his behaviour after 'how I have acted'. I love his parents; they are lovely people; and I shudder to think how he's presenting this whole thing to them. All they will see is that he's been turfed out of the flat, is still having to pay for it, and now they have to accommodate him back into their house. I know that all his friends think I am a totally spiteful lunatic - he told me. He had been pasting our text exchanges into chat sessions with them, but telling his friends I was lying about previously reaching an agreement to split rent.

So come on guys. I'm sitting here in an empty flat with no TV (it was his), but with the blinds open at least. I'm feeling quite spectacularly shite. I can always count on my family and friends to be on my side, but how can I be sure I did justice to both sides of the story in its telling to them? Maybe I am a spiteful, grasping lunatic?

Christ. What a novel. Sorry again.

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SolidGoldBloodyJanuaryUrgh · 03/01/2010 14:33

Well it sounds like a good thing you broke up as you are clearly not suited to being in a partnership. However, I can see to an extent why your XP feels aggrieved at having to pay £200 a month for a flat he is not permitted to live in. Did neither or you seek advice or negotiate with the owners of the flat WRT ending the contract early so that both of you could find somewhere else affordable to live?

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4andnotout · 03/01/2010 14:34

Oh dear have a very unmumsnetty ((hug)) He sounds vile especially the oral part and you are obviously well rid.

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Lulumama · 03/01/2010 14:37

you'd probably have killed each other if you stayed together

you sound like you hate each other and have no way to communicate

surely you give your notice on the lease and leave? or forfeit=?

what clarity do you need?

he is a knob, you don't like him, you sound quite controlling and he doesn't like you

it is over and you need never speak to each other again.

move on!

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purplepeony · 03/01/2010 14:38

What's the question?

Are you asking for ways to tell your parents etc what happened and also to make you look blameless?

I really don't think that a post-portum in public is what you need.

The relationship didn't work. All kinds of reasons as you detailed here.

There is no need for you to explain or justify your behaviour or decisions. Why do you think there is?

You are both pretty young. Moving in was a mistake. It's over now. The fact that he won't take any responsibility is not your problem now- he is an ex in what was a pretty short and not very serious relationship. Hard as it might be, ignore this awful behaviour of his such as copying your texts to friends. They probably take all he says with a big pinch of salt.

Stop beating yourself up and move on.

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Undertone · 03/01/2010 14:53

Oo er - good question PP - what IS the question?! Not after blamelessness by any means. I was looking for pretty much the exact reponses I'm gaining here! Clarity about my own behaviour, Lulumama, as I don't think I can view it rationally at all. This is a big help.

Landlady couldn't help - she wanted to stick to terms of tenancy agreement. Perhaps we should have forfeited our deposit and just cut and run...

Very determined to cut all contact and move on. I did get a £500 bonus from work this Christmas. Maybe I should pay his rent?

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mrsboogie · 03/01/2010 14:57

What is the question?

He sounds like a total nightmare. Grade A wanker. But he will have no awareness or perception of what he did wrong. He never will have.

You don't sound entirely blameless but nowhere in the same league as him.

You could have tried a bit harder to get out of the rental agreement surely?

Anyway its nearly done and dusted now so just never have anything to do with him again. You were supremely unsuited as a couple. None of what you describe as that unusual.

Just see it as a valuable learning experience - one you were lucky to escape from without the need for custody agreements and divorce.

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JaneS · 03/01/2010 15:00

He sounds pretty unpleasant. I know there are two sides to any story, but you seem quite horrified by your own behaviour so I guess you know that.

It's a bad situation, financially as well as everything else. But you're obviously better off without him and at least now he's out and you have an end-date after which (ie. when he's finished paying rent) you won't have to speak to him again. Best to make a clean break and concentrate on someone else.

Btw, I can understand why you feel the need to go over this and get some responses. It's not a bad way of dealing with things at all. I lived for over a year with a man who was, in retrospect, deeply unpleasant and controlling. At the time it felt as if there was no way out and it took me some while to get past it because there's this taboo against 'airing dirty laundry in public'. But, with all respect to purplepeony above, this is a pretty good place to do your head-clearing. He sounds horrible, especially the oral sex issue. But you need to accept that he was horrible, people won't always agree with you on that, but it's nothing to do with you now. Just a bad episode, in the past.

Do you have something you can focus on as a goal that has nothing to do with him? Or get into something where you'll make friends who don't know him? He's a very small part of your life even if he feels like a big mistake now.

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Aussieng · 03/01/2010 15:03

I also am not sure what you are wanting to achieve from this - is it just to vent> If so then fair enough. This is a crap time of year to break up - I don't just mean Christmas but the dark and long nights etc.

Feb 27th will soon be here and you can move on properly, the days will be getting longer and will start to seem much better. In the mean time I think it is tough luck that he is having to contribute to the rent. It is his financial committment too - he can think of it as his contribution to maintaining a clean credit record and not having a CCJ against him for rent deault.

Don't sweat it. Most people behave a bit unreasonably during a break up. If you have been a harpy then presumably you just acted how you needed to at the time - anger is one of the break up stages that you have to go through. Draw a line under it, be the better person from now, move on and ignore him from now on - stop texting him!!! Focus on the good stuff - your family seem to have been wonderful.

And buy a cheap tv. Ebay has tons of non flat screen ones for a few quid. Take care

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LizzyA123 · 03/01/2010 15:03

Hey,

New Year and all that.

There is humour in your writing, have you thought of writing some "chick lit" based on your experiences? You could make enough to cover the rent and more

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ItsGraceAgain · 03/01/2010 15:04

Why the hell should you pay his rent?

Don't give him your bonus.
You are not "wrong". You found yourself screaming because you were under intolerable stress.
It's pretty normal to make poor decisions under stress. Just take it all as part of an experience which is now, thankfully, nearly over.
What thoughts have you had about where to live next?

And happy New Year! Can't be worse than last one

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mrsboogie · 03/01/2010 15:08

I thought you write well too OP.

Maybe he will end up having done you a favour!

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purplepeony · 03/01/2010 15:08

LRD- I wasn't saying the OP should not post-I was asking what the question was.

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blinks · 03/01/2010 15:20

the only clear thing from that saga is that you do have writing talent and a good eye for detail.

to be honest it all sounds pretty standard break up stuff and you don't have kids so you've gotten off pretty lightly. you made it funny though and worth reading.

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MayyourNewyearbePositive · 03/01/2010 15:22

Can you afford to stay on and take a new tenacy in the flat or does it hold to many bad memories?

Have to say my DH was still living at home when we met, simply because it was a 3 bed house, he worked locally, he did all the house maintance and decorating and his Sis & family lived next door.

I joined him there while we got together a deposit and moved into our own place, so still living at home isn't always a negative

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Undertone · 03/01/2010 15:36

LRD ? losing this spare tyre will be a project I can focus on, I think. AND it will help with gaining a bit of self-confidence to move on.

LizzyA123, mrsboogie and blinks ? gosh Writing as a job would be lovely ? I do write a blog every now and then about this and that for fun. Needs focus, though ? maybe writing about 'Mission: Spare Tyre Removal' will help me go through with it!

Even though it is a nice flat, it really does have too many ghosts for me to stay - and it would be financially very hard. Roll on Feb 27th and the rest of 2010!

And you're all right; this is really not a massive catastrophe, or even that unusual! It's so easy to assume that it's the end of the world. Many thanks again for helping me get a grip.

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mrsboogie · 03/01/2010 15:39

well, you have achieved Mission: Spare Prick Removal

so Mission: Spare Tyre Removal should be a breeze!

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PreRaphaeliteGirl · 03/01/2010 15:43

You did the right thing. He sounds horrible & like he doesn't care for you properly at all.

You need the bonus to help sort out your own life.

There are always two sides to every story, but you are right you just don't sound compatible at all.

I hope you find someone who deserves you very soon when you are ready.

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MrsFlittersnoop · 03/01/2010 16:45

Don't you dare hand over your bonus to him!

If he won't accept any moral responsibility for your break-up then at least he can share some of the financial consequences. You are both adults, and moving in together, signing a lease etc. means dealing with the fiscal fall-out when things go wrong.

I went through a similar horrific break up with someone when I was the same age as you over 20 years ago. (Oddly enough he is still good friends with DH and myself, but it all happened over 20 years ago! )

You are still very young. Chalk it up to experience and be grateful that you now have a much clearer idea about what constitutes reasonable behaviour within a good relationship. He sounds like a prize knob .

You do write extremely well BTW . Great post on the fattist thread!

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clam · 03/01/2010 17:10

Just be glad there are no children involved!

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tethersend · 03/01/2010 17:36

Does it matter who was to blame?

I mean, if, in a theoretical court of law, it were proved that you were more to blame for the break up than he, what would be the consequence? Stay with him for ever until one of you dies?

If you stomach drops through the floor at the very thought of spending the rest of your days with him- and it should, btw- then who is more to blame for the break up is completely irrelevant. You are free and you should celebrate. It no longer matters what he thinks of you; that is the point of breaking up with him. And, IMHO, it is the very best bit of a break-up.

Go and have a great relationship(s) which don't require any 'work'- they do exist, you know

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mermalaid · 03/01/2010 23:45

oh course your sitting there feeling quite spectacularly shite - you've just gone through a really nasty breakup.

His friends will side with him, they're his friends, let them get on with it.

You've done the right thing.

Take comfort with your own friends and family. Give it time. And be kind to yourself.

Leave him to get on with his own life with his friends and family. You will get on with yours, and you will be happier for having got rid of him!

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MadameDefarge · 04/01/2010 00:47

Please, you had a relationship, it totally didn't work. Move on. Get over it. thank your lucky stars he is honourable enough to pay some of the rent, given you wanted the flat and him out of it.

keep it simple. mark it down to experience. You sound very young.

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hambler · 04/01/2010 01:09

This is what is so good about mumsnet.
Broken relationships hurt.
And are sometimes embarrassing .

I think you have got off quite lightly.

Others in your situation don't discover they are unsuited till they have spent 18,000 on a huge wedding, have three kids, and negative equity in a house they hate but can't sell, and are old fat and ugly .

here's to a great new year !

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Rosieeo · 04/01/2010 09:21

God, he sounds like a total tit. Well done for getting rid. I found your writing interesting/amusing/entertaining (apart from the oral bit, obviously!)too and very self-aware. Have a fantastic 2010.

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LizzyA123 · 04/01/2010 10:09

Not only a book but maybe a movie - something along the line of "Bridget Jones".

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