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DP proposing MIL lives with us, I couldn't stand it

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FattipuffsandThinnifers · 03/11/2008 18:25

Not sure if this is the right place to put this, but here goes. MIL is long-term depressed, and though is only in her early 70s is in a care home as she couldn't cope in her own house. There is a terrible family history - DP's twin brother was killed in a car accident when they were 12, his dad died 9 years ago, then his sister died of cancer 7 years ago. DP is now the only remaining child, and they have no other close relatives, MIL is an only child and FIL's relatives all live abroad.

His mum had always been prone to depression throughout her life, but understandably, these events triggered severe depression/mild psychosis, and he made the decision to put her in a home 3 years ago. She is stable, but very withdrawn and has no interest in life (not even her grandson really).

But, her depression aside, she is a very difficult person. She was really controlling of DP when growing up, and he has had a very difficult relationship with her throughout his life - mixture of guilt and resentment. This was the case before the bereavement, btw. The guilt has no doubt increased since though.

She is ultra-religious (he was brought up so but rebelled when a teenager), her life revolves around the church, and she has always disapproved of me for being non-Christian. There are many things which to me smack of hypocrisy though - I don't equate being religious with being 'good', I think being good makes you good.

She is just really really hard to be with. I am not a partiuclarly impatient person but I find even a few hours with her trying.

Our absolute dream house is on the market - slightly beyond our realistic budget. DP has just announced that he would go for it if his mum was to live with us.

He feels lots of guilt about her situation - understandably so, and I think it would ease his conscience if she were to live with us. I can understand and sympathise with this.

But this has really freaked me out - think my instinctive reaction is horror

Not only would it be a nightmare for me personally (for reasons above) I also could not cope personally with being a carer. It is just not in me. Let alone caring for someone with depression - I would feel totally unqualified to deal with this.

It would also have such huge implications for the rest of our lives. I am currently a SAHM but at some point am assuming I'll go back to work (when DS is at nursery probably). I also want another DC but DP is not sure. If we had taken on such a big financial, and emotional commitment I am sure he would be even more reluctant to have another.

I just don't know what to do - I feel terrible, really selfish and uncompassionate, but this is just not what I want for any of us, and tbh I would just hate every minute of it. Am I a horrible person? What should I do? I would much rather not have the house if it is on these terms. And part of me feels DP is emotionally manipulating me by saying this.

Sorry this is soooo long, if you have got this far, thank you for listening.

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FattipuffsandThinnifers · 03/11/2008 18:27

Btw DP will be back from work soon so I may not be able to check any messages for a while - but any advice please welcome!

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andiem · 03/11/2008 18:28

don't do it you will end up resenting him and her
my mum had my grandad to live with us when he was too old to care for himself and he had dementia she said it killed any feeling she had for him as he was so horrible

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MurderousMarla · 03/11/2008 18:29

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lulumama · 03/11/2008 18:29

taking MIL out of the equation, there is a big chance you would not get the dream house unless your house is sold and you have finance in place etc..

you have to be open and upfront with your DP about this . if he is going to be out at work , leaving you with MIL and the childcare, then really, you have to have a very big say in all this

if she is happy and settled in the care home, why uproot her> what will ahppen when she gets older and frailer and possibly ill>

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QuintessentialGunpowderPlot · 03/11/2008 18:33

Buying dream house and insisting his mum move in is blackmail. It is a pitiable trade off. Why should one be linked with the other?

Buy your dream house, he can consider his mum come to live with you when you have a job, and HE can take on the care role or be a sahd looking after his mum too.

He cant just pawn her off on you. That is not fair on you, and neither of her. In this regard, his offer is a non-offer, as he is not offering her HIS time, but yours.

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FromGirders · 03/11/2008 18:35

We had my grandmother living with us as children. By the time I was a teenager, dm was a full time carer - and I do mean 24/7. This had a huge impact on us as children, and also my dm.
What is her situation going to be in ten years - will you be expected to take care of an eighty year old lady? She is very unlikely to get any easier to be with.
There is also a financial cost - opportunity cost of you being unable to work, extra heating costs (and these were huge for my parents, even fifteen years ago when fuel prices where nothing like what they are now), the extra workload for you (you may end up changing bedlinen every day).
Is a household revolving around the needs of your MIL the environment you want to bring up your dc in?

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FattipuffsandThinnifers · 03/11/2008 18:36

God, what a relief to read these messages! It's hard to see outside perspective, I feel so guilty about her anyway (I think cos he does and sometimes projects that on to me...) - I so often feel/am made to feel that I don't do enough for her as it is.

andiem thank you for telling your experience, that is really useful to know. I am sorry for your experience too.

I also should have said though, he is suggesting getting a carer for the daytime so I wouldn't be a full-time carer. But I would still feel the same

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Heated · 03/11/2008 18:37

Dh is totally unreasonable to think YOU would be her f/t carer. HE feels guilty so YOU have to sacrifice yourself so he can absolve himself???!!! Caring f/t is a hard enough job for someone whom you love, let alone someone, who after a few hours, leaves you climbing the walls. He hasn't thought through the long term consequences on your future as a family (including another child), on your marriage (would it survive?) or upon you. Would he want to do it? NO.

Tell him you need to think again buster, and fast.

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FattipuffsandThinnifers · 03/11/2008 18:37

And I think in reality even if there was a carer in the daytime I still wouldn't feel able to leave her or relax or just have my own, normal life.

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Tortington · 03/11/2008 18:38

only if thee was a granny flat i suggest

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CarGirl · 03/11/2008 18:41

If she is settled in a care home why on earth move her?

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Mercy · 03/11/2008 18:43

I don't get that either cargirl

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QuintessentialGunpowderPlot · 03/11/2008 18:43

Having carers in your house is not ideal either. He is therefore actually suggesting that not only do you have your MIL leaving with you, you become the employer of a carer, and will have to administer that too. You are going to pay somebody a full time salary.

In time, she may become old and frail, and need more than just a career, she may need a home nurse too.

If somebody is cared for in the home by family, provisions will be regarded adequate, and it might become extremely difficult to find a place in a care home for her again in the future if this should be necessary.

My mum was the carer of her mil. She is now the carer of her dh, and we have seen our fair share of nurses coming and going, and it is not easy.

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ComeOVeneer · 03/11/2008 18:45

Sounds as though he sees this as a solution to assuage his feelings. However has he really thought about the long term implications of this, particularly on your (ie his and your's) relationship, the effect on your child, what if his mother becomes more dependant on care, etc etc.

I understand the feelings of guilt and responsibility to a parent in a way (dh's father is an only child, his father died when he was 14 and his mother is now 99 (100 in Feb) and although she is in a care home he is contacted/races over any time day or night to deal with things and it is damn hard).

There is no easy answer, after all it is his mother, and as the only real relative he does have certain responsibilities, however as a husband and father he also has responsibilities to you (rock and a hard place really).

I think you need to sit down and discuss the whole proposal calmly and rational (and oipenly). He needs to know how you feel (hard though that may be to say) because if you agree (despite your misgivings) your true feelings will quickly show through .

Best of luck!

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crokky · 03/11/2008 18:45

It sounds like a bad idea. I am not a mean person, but it just sounds horrendous.

I would just stay put where you are currently living for the moment. I do know someone who gave up a full time job to be her MIL and FILs carer. Her, her DH, MIL and FIL all lived in the same house (with one child). It was really difficult, even though she got on well with her ILs and her MIL particularly was extremely grateful and thanked her multiple times every day. So it would just be a living hell with someone who is not going to be nice.

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Moanylisa · 03/11/2008 18:52

nope, I couldn't do it. Your dh is BVU.

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Upwind · 03/11/2008 18:56

You don't want to do it, so don't. Trust your instincts.

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QuintessentialGunpowderPlot · 03/11/2008 18:56

I dont think he is unreasonable to suggest it, but to link it with the purchase of the dream home.

I think you need to have a calm discussion about it.

There could be alternatives, such as getting your MIL over to visit on a more regular basis, etc.

I am speaking from the perspective of having dragged my dh from London to North Norway to care for elderly my parents.

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ComeOVeneer · 03/11/2008 18:57

I knew you would be on this thread QS . How goes the house?

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YeahBut · 03/11/2008 19:00

Don't do it. Being a carer is hard enough when you actually love someone and want to do it. If you don't, I can't see how it would do anything other than ruin your relationship.

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AbbeyA · 03/11/2008 19:01

Don't do it! Go with your gut feeling.

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Upwind · 03/11/2008 19:02

Your DH is probably not grasping the enormity of the responsibility of becoming a carer, and just how hard that work is.

A couple of years back I did not really understand it, when I volunteered to spend a few days caring for my grandmother - who I do have an excellent relationship with. I have never done any job that came close to being as difficult as that.

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QuintessentialGunpowderPlot · 03/11/2008 19:02

oh CoV, you need to see these kitchens and bathrooms It goes well. How goes the cakes?

sorry for slight hijack.

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GrimmaTheNome · 03/11/2008 19:06

Would your MIL even want to come and live with you really? I somehow rather doubt it from your description.

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FattipuffsandThinnifers · 03/11/2008 19:11

Thank you for all these responses, I really appreciate it.

It's not that she's either happy or unhappy where she is atm. Sadly she's so clinically depressed it wouldn't change her state of mind, but it would make him feel better.

I do feel a bit pissed off that he brought it into the equation of the house - ostensibly to help with financing it (ie sell her house) but without thinking it through.

Anyway lots of very valid points here I will mention. I will talk to him about it tonight. Will need a good few glasses of wine deep breath first!

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