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Please help with this GP issue.

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Hobby2014 · 30/03/2015 10:37

Probably one for AIBU but not brave enough!

So this is about mine and DHs parents and how they see DS, their GS who is 7.5months old. All of their ages are 45-49 so no major age differences.

Background:
I'm just going to call one set GP1 and the other GP2

GP1 are local - about 3 minutes in the car. They both drive. They both work full time out of the home. One is self employed so had a bit of leeway, the other isn't.
They have an active social life in that they're hardly ever in at the weekend or have people over a lot.

GP2 aren't local - about 2.5hr round trip by car. Or 5hr round drip on train. They don't drive. They both work part time from home and do jobs that mean they can work extra one week and have the next week off.
They don't have a massive social life, are pretty much always home and always free.

GP1 we see most weekends for a few hours, at our organising - they don't often arrange meet ups, we do. However sometimes when they say they're in and free, they're in but already have visitors so they don't give DS as much attention as they would if they didn't have other visitors. (I will add that we usually either don't know the visitors or they are people we've met before but don't know or speak to).
The grandmother of DS will sometimes arrange a visit in the week where she'll pop in after work (she's the self employed one) if she's had a quiet day.
They don't do much with DS, ie nappy or bottle or feeding or putting down for a nap, they will play with him for a bit (but sometimes they can visit and not pick him up because he's in his jumperoo and they don't want to disturb him or he's playing on the floor and he's having fun etc despite us saying no it's ok give him a cuddle!) and they always give him to us when he needs anything else. They seem to be more interested in showing him off to family and friends, taking photos and sharing on facebook, wanting to take him to parties to show everyone etc.

GP2 we see once a month, more if there's a birthday or celebration inbetween visiting times. Sometimes the grandmother will visit and stay for 4 days (she mostly comes by train (£25) but sometimes will pick her up). (They can't both come as they have cats so the grandfather always stays behind). Sometimes we'll visit there, staying for a few days up to a week (as they can jiggle their work around). They both get stuck in, feeding, changing him, giving bottles, settling for naps, playing, reassuring him when he cries, cuddling and they also get to bath him (as we stay over or the grandmother stays here). They enjoy just watching DS, watching his mind work, watching him trying to figure stuff out, watching him learning to do things etc.

Ok so now the issue ::
GP1 are annoyed that we stay at GP2 house. They'd like us to stay at their house too so they can get the bonding with DS that GP2 get. I totally get that a few hours at the weekend is different to a few solid days. But I think it's a lot of effort to load the car up (we live in a flat up 3 flights of stairs with no lift and neither GPs have anything there for him except a few toys and GP2 have a travel cot) with what comes with staying away from home with a baby when they live so close they could just find time to see DS more and more quality time ie not when they have other visitors already. I feel that GP1s life just isn't the same as GP2 in that they work out of the home and have a busier social life so it just doesn't work the same as if they worked from home and didn't always have visitors over. Does that make sense?
They have the option to see him loads either at the weekend or after work (grandmother finishes at 2-4 each day, grandfather finishes at 5). And that even if we stayed there they'd still be busy doing things or with people visiting.
GP1 also have 3 dogs so can't stay here as we have no garden so we'd have to stay there.

Any opinions on this? Should we be sleeping at GP1 house even though we live near? Should they make more time/put more effort in? Are we being unfair?

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CheersMedea · 30/03/2015 10:46

GP1 are being ridiculous.

You are absolutely wasting mental energy even thinking about this.

Enjoy having two sets of GP who are interested in your child and ignore any bonding whinging by GP1.

You may want to point out to them that this is a short term problem. When your child is older, he can go and stay with them.

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 30/03/2015 10:47

Why not try it once. See if these GPs do become more hands-on.

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Quitelikely · 30/03/2015 10:48

This is odd.

Their actions do not match their words!

Have they offered to have DS without you present?

Maybe they don't give as much practical help as they feel too awkward ? I your presence.......

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QueenBean · 30/03/2015 10:57

Why can't you just speak to them about it? Explain that you feel that they're so busy that you don't get the quality time

With regards to them not being too hands on, is it possible that they don't want to offend you by jumping in / being extra respectful of you as the parents doing things and not wanting to make it seem like they know best?

Which set of grandparents is which - i guess gp1 is in laws and gp2 is your parents?

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Hobby2014 · 30/03/2015 10:58

GP1 did have DS a couple of times on their own for a couple of hours but it didn't go very well. They didn't take his milk with them so he missed a feed and didn't take his pram so he was stuck in his car seat for 5 hours. They said they were going to be a couple of hours and were visiting family so they said they didn't want pram. We turned up at their house to collect him and they didn't return for hours. They didn't change his nappy in that time either. And they didn't take him to family either like that said.
After this both DH and I felt we wernt comfortable with it. He was only about 10 weeks old at the time though.
They do want to have him on their own but after that kerfuffle and the fact they don't do anything with him we know we'd just worry about him so we need to see them actually care for him, if that makes sense?

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Hobby2014 · 30/03/2015 11:04

We've said to them that they need to do more with him but they say that because they don't have the luxury of spending a few days with him they can't. Eventhough we visit for a few hours so he's always due a bottle, a nap, a nappy change, he'll no doubt have a cry, but they just give him to us. We really try to not interfere too, we don't question them or correct them, we don't sit there and watch them, we'll be chatting, or on our phones or doing things so they don't feel like we're staring so I don't think it's that.

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Joysmum · 30/03/2015 11:16

Most people don't get stuck in with nappies and bedtime when parents are about.

You said yourself when they tried it it didn't go well and they are probably holding back based on that. Hardly surprising.

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Hobby2014 · 30/03/2015 11:21

Joysmum
GP2 do though?
We gave them the opportunity to spend time with DS and do those things without us incase it was us putting them off, but they didn't do any of it. No nappy or feeding or anything.
So I'm not sure what we should be doing.

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RoganJosh · 30/03/2015 11:32

I can't get past 'they didn't take his milk'.

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MiddleAgedandConfused · 30/03/2015 11:32

My PILS sound very similar to your GP1s. They wanted the 'glory' aspects of being a grandparent without doing any of the graft. Your young baby can't bond with them if they don't spend time with him.
If they are so busy, all you have to do is say to them - 'OK - we'll come and stay with you, but make sure that the weekend is free for just us so you get some quality time'. Make it clear you are not going to come and then spend the weekend looking after the baby at their house whilst they socialise.
You will probably find the weekend doesn't happen because they are too busy.

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QueenBean · 30/03/2015 11:40

I feel so sad for the baby who didn't get fed or changed or out of his car seat for 5 hours. That's pretty shitty behaviour of them Sad

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Quitelikely · 30/03/2015 11:42

So you dont trust them?

If they forgot the feed would t you just call them to pick it up?

No sane person would take a newborn for hours when they were due a feed!

Are these your pils?

Do you think they just want you to let them have time alone with their GC?

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SnotQueen · 30/03/2015 11:48

After what happened when DC was 10 weeks old, I wouldn't be following any orders to stay at their house.

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Hobby2014 · 30/03/2015 12:12

So to clarify the 10 week old kerfuffle - we went round there with everything he needed. Told them when he was due a feed, and said we'll probably all be back here by then - say it was 11, he was due at 2.
So we went home, few hours later turned up at theirs. They weren't in. It was 5 hours after drop off when they arrived and couldn't hide the fact that hadnt take the bottle as when they got in they went to the fridge and got it out and warned it up. They went shopping with him, so carried him in the car seat, when they weren't shopping they were driving so in his seat. They even exclaimed how sweaty they were because carrying him in the car seat was hard work.
They knew we were indoors and knew they could have phoned and asked for the pram. As I've said they are minutes away. We didn't want to leave him, didn't need him looked after, but was trying to make them happy.

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Hobby2014 · 30/03/2015 12:15

I had a thread about that ^^ incident on here at the time but NC.

And yes to the glory. The keep showing us all the expensive stuff they want to buy him, all the places they're going to take him, go on and on about him to their friends and on facebook, but it comes across as a bit of an act, a bit fake. We don't want all that, we want them to want him for him, and just accept him for what he is. Rather than show him off to the world.

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Hobby2014 · 30/03/2015 12:18

And yes all they want is to have him alone, they wouldn't want us to stay then, but it's probably just so they can tell all their friends, show him off and then tell facebook, but after that day I want them to put some effort in to dealing with him whilst we're around so we know it's not going to happen again. I'm not putting us through being worried all day just to appease them. I think they need to prove theirselves in a way.

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QueenBean · 30/03/2015 12:23

I think, bearing in mind all of the above, it wouldn't be appropriate for them to have him alone until he's older

You would spend all your time worrying and if anything did happen, you'd never forgive yourself

It's a difficult conversation to have but until they can prove themselves then it's a no

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shovetheholly · 30/03/2015 12:25

If your GPs are raising this with you, then I would take the time to explain to them what you've said here, but put it all very, very nicely! (I would maybe do this over email, so that you have more control, rather than face-to-face.)

You need to explain that the difference between them and the other set of grandparents is that the other set focus solely on your DS and do a lot of the work, so that you feel very comfortable leaving him. Whereas on the occasions when you have left your DS with them, he has gone without food and without a proper change. You're sure that they did this because they didn't want to disturb you (!) but it has made you a bit nervous. You can then say that you're prepared to leave him with them again for a short time, but on the proviso that they promise, faithfully, that he will be fed and changed appropriately and that they will ring you in the event of any problems. Make it clear that if this doesn't happen, it'll be the last time you try it for a bit.

I think it's worth putting the time in to get this right now, because PIL close by are hugely valuable when it comes to you and DH getting some couple time together.

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shovetheholly · 30/03/2015 12:26

Also, maybe work up from an afternoon to a day first!

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blueberrypie0112 · 30/03/2015 14:36

I wouldn't hold against them if this occur while you are around taking care of your child's basic needs. But since you left your child to their responsibility (watching them) then leaving behind their basic needs like milk or diapers is concerning.

Btw, none of my kids grandparents ever changed their diapers. I was ebf (no bottles...they won't take a bottle at all) my kids so they never got a chance

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blueberrypie0112 · 30/03/2015 14:41

Anyway, my grandma was the same way. I would not let her know about anymore about who stays where.

And since this grandma is making it about her, then maybe she should not be trusted to watch over your kids.

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