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Tell me about emotional affairs...(142 Posts)
Regular but NC'd.
Why do they start?
Where do they go?
How do they end?
It sounds like the poster and the married man haven't got a clue as to where they are going, nor what they have done.
Both of you are very good at compartmentalising your lives. And using each other, to "help" each other out of a "similar" situation.
What I dont get is why both of you were unable to break away from your partners independently?
Why was this not done?
Think very carefully op, and look at your life, the choices you have made.
Having an affair is equal to an abusive relationship, neither party is able to provide/care for the other, in a loving way. Both of you have been in this relationship.
It is not too late to change now, finish with the married man and start a new life to find yourself again.
If you continue with the married man (or new ex married man) your life continues as it has with him in it.
His poor wife and kids. I hope he dumps on you big style
Please think strongly first. This will also affect 2 other people.
my partner just walked out on me and and my 2 year old son and baby due in 6 weeks due to an EA! please end your relationship with both people as you really aren't considering the hurt and pain it will cause both sides including any children involved!
it is the worst feeling in the world known you aren't/weren't the person they came to when upset or whatever it was the other person! now 2 weeks on I am still a mess and can't get over it! do it now before it gets too late
rella did you miss the massive zombie before you posted and bumped this really old thread?
You need to decide what you want from OM. If it's him you really want then he must leave his wife. So test him. Women are often surprised when their OM don't react how they want/think they should. I think though you should be honest with your OH though. You're going to be be shutting him out emotionally anyway and looking for faults. No ones perfect. Surprisingly not even OM( although you think they are).
For what it's worth I think disclosure or not is a very individual thing and highly dependent upon the circumstances. Honesty is the best policy imho but in real life I do understand that this is easier said than done on occasions having lived through xh's affair. Life is complicated.
I think it's up to individuals to decide for themselves, Ton, nobody has the right to dictate that. Affair partners, by virtue of what they are doing, are lying to their partners all the way through the affair. If they don't confess it and end their primary partnerships then disclosure will add nothing but pain. Better for them all to keep quiet and let their ex-partner find peace and happiness elsewhere.
Skirting over your rather rude assessment of my views because they don't accord with your own, yes please do feel free to ignore them in future, I won't be in the least offended.
You have some very odd views.
But I won't debate with you any longer because we are miles apart in our understanding of women's issues, equal rights and whether lying to partners at the end of a relationship is acceptable. You seem to think it is. I don't.
Ton... I was gender-neutral on that; I don't think any person serves themselves well by taking back somebody who chose to leave.
It happened to me so I speak from experience and I disagree with you about being harsh on women. Women have the lionshare of child-rearing responsibility, they just do. There are fewer women who leave a family than men who do the same, it's a fact. As that is a sad fact it's obvious that lone-parent women have the greater responsibility for parenting (and are so acknowledged by the courts in the UK), that this responsibility translates to making sure their children grow up with healthy self-esteem. Fairly or unfairly, that means that the children are the first consideration, rather than the wishes of the left parent or those of he errant ex partner.
I don't believe the content of many of the threads here; I think some posters have been conditioned to accepting and expecting congratulation for their 'strength' in the face of adversity and that's not healthy. It skews their posting in terms of what they perceive their audience wants to read. Nobody knows whether that poster's partner had an affair or not so speculation is pointless.
I don't understand your last point. I don't believe that affairs are routinely discovered; I don't believe that the majority of them are. Whether somebody has an affair or not if they leave their partner and are admitted back into the relationship, that's no demonstration of 'magnificence' to me from either party.
I'm with you on that of course - although I don't think anyone knows what they'd do till it happened - but I thought you were suggesting this turn of events never occurs. Apols if not.
I wouldn't be that harsh on why women take men back though, or on women with shattered self-esteem. There's often a lot of pressure on women to make allowances for men's "mental health breakdowns" or stress coping with balancing careers and family life. Women are also statistically more likely to be left with more childcare and less money when a husband leaves suddenly.
I can't help comparing the poor poster in the other thread who's clinging to beliefs that her husband is having a breakdown and doesn't mean what he says, to the sheer selfishness on this one. It would help that other poster so much if she could see her husband more clearly instead of having sympathy for his mental health.
The sort of anger and self-assuredness you talk about (I'd let him go) often only kicks in when an affair is finally discovered. When my friends found out what had really been going on, they were MAGNIFICENT in their long overdue contempt for the liars they'd been making allowances for.
Not from any people with their self-esteem intact, Ton, no.
If my husband wanted to leave without talking to me beforehand about our relationship I'd let him go and that would be that. Why would I be at the beck and call of somebody who didn't think I was worth a conversation with when it mattered?
What husband/wife would accept a returning spouse - for any reason?
Loads of people. 2 friends of mine did. There is another thread at the moment about a man who left very suddenly and the poster has no actual evidence of an affair, but would take him back if he wanted to return.
Are you really saying you've never heard of that?
I don't agree that men or women decide to keep an affair 'secret' for reasons of returning home should their new romance fail. What husband/wife would accept a returning spouse - for any reason?
I can totally see the benefit of 'keeping quiet' because if you didn't confess at the start of an affair, blurting it out at the end of a relationship isn't going to make the other person feel any better, is it? Why can't people be free to just end their relationships without a full-blown autopsy? All that telling the partner of the 'other person' would bring is unhealthy comparison. I know that there are posters who disagree with this and think full disclosure is the only way but, not their call, it's OP's call, the MM's call, nobody else's, not even the other partners involved.
If a relationship is over then it's over. It only needs one of the pair to decide that. It's up to the leaving partner to decide what they tell, how much they tell, etc. The important bit is to actually tell the other person that it is over. This, they have done.
Living... read Thisisaghostlyeuphemism's post carefully. I think she's right about the fact that you ought to be pulling right away at the moment, concentrate on your other relationships/friendships. I said in a previous post that you're not starting from quite the same position as anybody else getting together with somebody. You're not - this is it, the 'pinch point' - and it needs careful handling if you really think this is going somewhere. I think that you should both be taking a little time to reflect on your ended relationships - not necessarily grieve them, people make all kinds of assumptions about the need for that - but just reflection and thinking about how you will not bring past mistakes to your next relationship. You have all the time in the world now, the rest of your lives, there's no rush.
I have a feeling that this guy's WIFE is going to get fucked over. The poster knows the score, she doesn't.
All because the poster and this guy have decided the exes "don't need to know" there was an affair. Worse still, presenting those lies as an act of altruism!
Which is why I hope the guy's wife finds out about you, poster. Because apart from not wanting character traits of dishonesty and lying to be exposed, the main reason guys don't tell their wives and family there's someone else is to keep a safety net if their new romance fails.
Better that his wife knows the true character of this guy so that she can tell him to go away and stay away if he ever wants to come back.
You did the right thing to break up with your partner who you were unhappy with.
You say you are going to take it slowly with new guy but it doesn't look slowly from the outside. Anything could happen with him, but I really would suggest getting some distance between you, concentrating on yourself and your friendships for a bit, if possible. A break-up with children is VERY different from a break up without and it is likely to turn very messy.
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
Thanks for the update, a lot has happened in your lives in a short time. Like Glow says, take care of yourself......
I have a feeling you are going to get so fucked over.
Look after yourself!
I've seen the messages between them. And no he had to book a hotel before moving in to colleagues house so I just went to be with him. We didn't do anything. Also, Yeh we didn't tell them about us obviously because why would we when they didn't need to know? But we also did not want to hurt them anymore than was needed. I needed to break up with my partner anyway as I was so unhappy and it wasn't just about MM
This seems to be a very wordy, sanitised way of saying that you dumped your partners and lied to them about there being no-one else involved - and quickly booked 2 nights in a hotel together.
You're deluding yourself massively if you think keeping your relationship secret is to avoid upsetting the other people involved. You're keeping it a secret so that neither of you get exposed as cheats. Your guy might also be keeping it a secret from his wife in case it falls flat with you and he wants to go back.
Unless you spoke to his wife, you don't know that she "saw it coming". That's just what he says.
She's probably being advised by her women pals now that there's another woman involved. I hope she gets the evidence she needs of that too.
I think I was in one around 15 yrs ago with a guy from work. I spent a lot of time with him, always spent lunch time with him. Went out after work with him. I was in denial I think. He obviously had feelings for me but it was all unspoken. I had strong feelings for him but couldn't admit them to myself. Everyone at work could see what was happening. We were together all of the time at work, well actual work allowing.
We didn't text as mobiles weren't as common then. It only stopped when I moved jobs. It was only then I realised what had been happening. There was no physical contact at all to be fair but if DH had have done this I would be livid. DH has no idea it happened.
You may not see it as "overly relationshipy" but you have jumped straight into a relationship with him.
How about taking a few months sabbatical and really striking out by yourself?
No it's not really overly relationshipy. We have both calmed down the txting as well so we can have a bit of breathing space. We really were txting, calling chatting all throughout the day. Now he is lodging in the city we work we can no longer liftshare so that is less time together too.
At the moment we are just supporting each other through the break-ups. We can't talk to many people about it, or the ones we can dont know the full picture. So we really are offloading on to each other. Not great but we don't have anyone else.
Theatoz - thanks for your post. I have no doubt in my mind that my partner will be much happier in the coming months. Even MM's wife seemed to know what was coming and even though she is sad I think she knows its right for them too. If we do become a proper couple we won't be making it public for a good year or two. The thought of that is hard but I don't want to cause upset to the other people now.
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