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Could you forgive this?(32 Posts)
I am late twenties, living with partner and my brother, 24 weeks pregnant, struggling with fibromyalgia and incredibly stressed.
My mother started a relationship with a man about three years ago who moved into our family home. He is racist, homophobic and loves nothing better than to vent his opinions about these subjects to anyone who will listen. We've all tried telling him it's inappropriate (including my mother) but he won't change.
Fast forward to about a year in to him living with us. He couldn't get the TV to work one day so threatened to throw it up the garden. My mother told him to calm down, he was banging his fists into the worktop, screaming at her. She said "Dont shout at me" and at this point my younger brother walked in and said "Hey, why are you shouting at my mum?". So her partner squared up to him and offered him outside to fight in the street. Bear in mind, my brother is autistic and was terrified. He has never been in a fight in his life and didn't want to. I didn't find out about this until months later when it had supposedly blown over.
Last September during another homophobic rant about how all gay people deserved to die and how they are evil, my brother couldn't contain himself any longer and blurted out that he was bisexual and had been since he could remember but had been too scared to say anything. Cue said mothers partner going ballistic and called my brother a "queer c*nt", said the most graphic disgusting vile things to him like "If you want to take it up the sh*t pipe you wont be doing it in this house" and was encouraging my mother to throw him out telling her "dont even give him chance to get his shoes on". He said the likes of my brother deserved to die and he slammed the bedroom door in his face leaving him petrified and my mother crying on the other side. My brother called me crying, I left work to try and sort it out and it ended with my mother saying "Well, a lot of people think his way". I had to coax her around saying "Thats your son!" and in the end she just wanted to all make friends and said "I don't want either of them to leave". My brother was scared for his safety and has been living with me since.
She married the man yesterday. Me and my brother had been adamant that we wouldnt go but after phoning almost daily, crying, guilting us and emotionally blackmailing us with things like "Grampa might not be here very long. He's really looking forward to all the family being together", we caved in and went. Her now husband ignored us all day and made us feel very awkward. She justifies his behaviour and makes excuses for him constantly and yesterday at that wedding, my stomach churned all day. No-one in the family knows what he's done and everyone was all over him saying how wonderful he was.
I suppose my question is, how can I get her to accept that we don't want anything to do with this man? I have my mothers first grandchild on the way in November and the thought of this man being around my baby makes me sick. Please help.
Sorry to hear this OP.
Your poor brother.
I think you have to focus on protecting your baby from this person in the future. Your mum has made a bad choice, but ultimately it was her choice.
My mum failed to protect me from an abusive relative (my own father) and ironically years later I blame her far more than him! She failed to protect me when I needed it most.
I would be telling relatives why you do not want this man (I use the term loosely) anywhere near your baby.
Good luck with pregnancy and your future baby x
I couldn't forgive someone who did that to my brother, or son. What a horrible situation for you. You'll have to make it clear to your mother that even though she's married to him, he's not fit to be around children with a foul mouth and temper like that. It will be upsetting for her, but she's made her choice and picked a man who abuses her family, so she'll miss out on happy times with her future grandchild.
It is unacceptable.
Unfortunately she has chosen him. So you need to chose your baby and OH. Is she wants to see your baby she comes round, to your place, alone. If she talks about this man, you politely tell her you aren't interested. If she continues, you ask her to leave.
She sounds like a very weak woman who put up with anything rather than fend for herself.
So your brother lives with you now? In that case I would wait until the baby is born then get your partner to tell your mum that she is only welcome to come to your house to visit without her husband. You will not be visiting their house if he's in.
I have to say I think your mum will make the choice to stick with him. She's too weak not to.
Please don't get too stressed about it. Arrange to see your mum out of the house. Don't go round there if you know he'll be there.
You don't need to have this man around your baby. Your mum can visit at yours, alone.
He sounds horrible, Op. I feel for you and your brother. She sounds like a fool.
Jesus thats bloody awful OP, your poor brother
Do you think your mum is scared of her new husband? Not that it makes any differance, nobody should come before your children.
Sleepy hit the nail on the head for me.
Jesus. I wouldn't forgive, no.
Thank you all so much for taking the time to reply. I have spoken to her tonight on the phone and after about three hours of arguing, she has relented saying that she will come alone and not speak about him. But she also said that we were being petty, holding grudges and being spiteful. I feel like I can't win. It's a massive relief to know that the farce with trying to get on with him is over, but also I know that she thinks that I'm just being a dick. I've said it's not because we're being spiteful or vindictive, we just can't let it go and get over it like she wants us to. I can't live a lie as it's stressing me. I've been crying all night and am now panicking about what harm I could have done to the baby by being upset. God, I need to sleep. Thank you all. It means a lot to have this outlet. I haven't really got anyone to talk to. My dad lives in New Zealand and I'm worried not to load it all onto OH as we have got enough to do with the baby coming. Thank you all xxx
Bloody hell. Has she no consideration. You're pregnant and full of emotion and probably exhausted. If she continues to question your decision then you might have to be really firm and tell her you an put up with her immaturity and you need a break from her. Obviously not idea when having a baby and need your mum around. Are your partners parents supportive/close?
I'm not that close to my partners parents but they are aware of the situation and are very kind. His mum has said that I have to let my mam make her own decision and just try to maintain a relationship with her. It's very trying. I have been up with my brother now having panic attacks because he's so upset. We had to hang up in the end. Its a massive mess.
I think you've done right, tolerating him is one task you don't need. I think you have to be very, very firm about boundaries here (he doesn't come to your house, she can't take the baby to meet him at a cafe etc). Just focus on your new family and the relationships you are creating there.
Be prepared for the fact that your relationship with your mother may not survive this. You must maintain your boundaries about this man and protect your family from him, so you are going to be stuck with seeing her alone. Unfortunately, given that her H is obviously an abusive twat, he is likely to turn this to his advantage and start drip-feeding her poisonous ideas about you and making it difficult for her to see you alone. If that happens, the only thing you can do that won't compromise your own wellbeing will be to tell her that you love her, will always have your door open to her on her own, will always be willing to pick up the pieces when she sees the light without saying "I told you so", but to basically let her go. Sad for her, as the less support she has the less likely she is to leave, but you have to put your own wellbeing first. Just something to be aware of.
Your mother aint going to give this horrible man up so stick to your guns, there is no reason why she can't see you without him being there - don't feel bad and don't let her manipulate, you are in the right, he sounds really vile. She wants him fine, she can have him but that doesn't give her any right to inflict him on anybody else.
What they all said. Poor you and poor your brother. He's vile and your mother is weak. You're better off without either of them tbh but if you do continue to see your mother you will have to be very forceful about boundaries.
Your new SF's awful, but your mother's worse. She's being incredibly selfish and thinking of no one but herself.
If you decide to see them, control it - visits in a cafe etc., no long stays, no dropping in, etc. Be firm - she will push and push you for more, obviously, but no need to agree.
I have no idea how your mother can even look at that man.
So glad for your brother that he has a nice supportive sister at least.
Ignore her comments of pettyness etc, just say 'well that's how you see it' and move on with the conversation. She's clearly deluded herself so she doesn't have to face it and nothing you can do will change that unfortunately.
Hope your bother is doing ok.
No I wouldn't forgive. And I would be very vocal about how she has chosen this person over her family and she has no right to make me or my brother feel bad or guilty.
And under no circumstance will he ever be welcome to my home or any family occasions.
Make arrangments to see other family members with your brother and husband do not include her. You need to live your life without risk of abuse, as does your brother.
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^ Agree that it's ridiculous that she's chosen this 'man' over her own son & has the cheek to try and guilt trip you.
I'd explain to her that if she continues to do so, I would not want any contact with her at all. It must be horrible for your brother.
You might find, once the baby comes, that you have a little less patience with tantrums and whinging and emotional blackmail from the adults in your life, and find it easier to stand up to her and just say no
I agree with this completely. My Mum has married 4 times, twice to complete bastards - one who assaulted me when I was 11, another who was a drunk and a gambler. I was always expected to tolerate them, despite the horror stories she told me about them and the things I witnessed myself, and do everything I could to keep the peace, because as everyone kept reminding me, 'she's your Mum'.
But there comes a point for your own sanity and to protect your own family that you have to get a bit hard-faced and make some tough decisions. For me that happened when I had my dcs and it wasn't just me that my Mum's/her husband's behaviour was affecting.
Best of luck OP, don't be afraid to stand firm.
I think you should explain to the rest of your family what has happened and how you have come to have these feelings to your mothers husband. Unless your brother doesnt want it discussed - what happened should be known so that all the family understand and can support you and your brother. I also agree that you should be very firm and only have a relationship with your mother on your terms....she is clearly trying to have a relationship with you on her terms, which appear to be dictated to her by her husband. I would never let someone like that have any form of contact with my child, unlike your mother, you already know that the welfare of the child is above everything else and the mother is the guardian of that
Thank you all so much. I thought I was just being over sensitive with hormones. I have to live my life on my terms. I can see that now. She is away on the honeymoon at the moment for two weeks so I have a good idea what I need to say when she comes back thanks to all your brilliant advice. Xx
Fuck it, i'd chuck my Mum if she stuck up for someone like that over me and my brother.
Seriously, I would tell her to not to contact us again until the louse that is her husband has gone.
How old is your Brother?
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