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to think this is a red flag concerning my daughters boyfriend.(51 Posts)
Name change --- bare with me its a long one
My daughter has just turned 18, she has a boyfriend of 22. I didn't know his 'real' age until she had turned 18 by then they had been with each other around 5 months. Its about 7 months in now.
I had trouble getting my head around how old he was as I felt it was too old for 17/22 but I kept my mouth shut as she was 18 by the time I found out.
As far as I know things have been good between them, she has spent the weekend visiting his mother recently to meet her and she seemed very happy. They were due to go again this Friday for the weekend. Its a 2 hour train ride.
My DD BF is going to Ibiza to work for six weeks at the end of this month, originally it was for the whole summer but has shortened it to six weeks because he will miss DD. She is flying out to visit him in July.
He has given up his apartment share and is just crashing at his friends till he leaves.
Today my daughter came home from work, which she is doing very well at. She was ill and looked terrible. Id not seen her for a couple of days as she had been with BF. So she let me pamper her for a while and fell asleep on couch.
BF rang and asked her to go and see him, she explained that she was ill and was going to spend some time with me ( I nearly fell of chair at this point, she must really be ill and feeling sorry for her self)
He said he really wanted to see her, she said she was too tired ( it would take an hour bus ride to meet him) He asked if he could come here and sleep. She said ''no'' as I wouldn't like it, at this point he told her that she was being unfair, she didn't care about him, he feels like a spare part, that he was going to his mothers tonight and that she wasn't allowed to go Friday and she wouldn't see him till he got back from Ibiza. I could hear his raised voice on the phone.
She left the room rang him up and could hear her getting upset on the phone. She came back in the room, she had been crying. She said that it was sorted he wasn't going and she was meeting him next day.
Next min he is on bloody phone again, starts whole palava again,she ends up practically begging him to go and see him, him refusing her of course till he decides she can go up after all.
So she drags her self up and gets her stuff ready, i talked to her about how she was feeling, she assured me she was fine, she didn't know how bad he felt, not to worry.
She looked like a lost soul when she left the house.
I genuinely don't know what to do, i don't want her to not feel she can talk to me yet i don't want to sit back as i think he sound manipulative and she is too young for all this crap.
OR am I blowing this out of proportion
Good advice muchly appreciated
Thanks AF. I'm loving it. Unfortunately my home situation wasn't as good as OP's daughter's and I didn't have the self-esteem to fight. Then it took another shitty relationship, then a great one and 20 years later, here I am!
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laz good luck with your degree, I really identify with your situation when you were 18. My first serious (and most abusive) bf tried to put me off going to Uni. He was very clever about it, by saying things like "I don't know how we can work if you are not around every day" and "I will get lonely without you" rather than simply saying "I will cheat on you if you go"
I didn't have a mum like the one on this thread though...OP, you sound great. I wish I'd had someone like you back then (or Mumsnet, of course...)
Your relationship with her is your strength here. Deep down I suspect she realises what he is doing to her, but maybe not how serious it is or the extent of it. I'm 41 and doing a degree. I'm doing it now because I let my first serious boyfriend talk me out of going to Uni at 18. I'm so glad I didn't marry him, move in with him or have a baby though. Hope your dd sees that your love for her is what is motivating your understandable concern.
Clouds&trees. No! No fucking way. I was 21 when a boyfriend tried that shit on me and I dumped him. I think what the OP has described is not in the same ballpark as your boyfriend getting pissed and turning up late to your birthday party. Any sniff of emotional manipulation would have me seeing red. And red flags. I'm not sure what to do though. Apart from be there.
OP, I think you are right about not going overboard. He could be telling your daughter stuff like "don't listen to what your mum says, she doesn't like me, she doesn't want whats best for you" etc etc. Or as DumDum said she could get all 'Romeo and Juliet'
I think if she goes to Ibiza, she should have some emergency plan to get home. There is nothing worse, when you are young. than being in a foreign country, when things start to go wrong.
Hopefully either she will enjoy spending time with her friends when he is away, or he'll meet someone else in Ibiza, and it will fizzle out.
Ladies some fantastic points thank you. I was going through in my head last night what I was going to say as I don't want to come across as patronising but there are done real good points that I can steal!
She went to his mothers last night instead of today so not gone in work, which is a concern as she is usually very good.
I spoke to her briefly last night on FaceTime and asked if she was looking forward to her holiday,as she goes away with friends at the end of month, she replied she wasn't .
I could hear him in the background so I think it was for his benefit.
When I have a chat with her, I've decided I'm not going to run him down but I'm going to point out what unhealthy about the relationship rather than attacking him.
I'm actually really nervous about it as if I go over board she won't confide in me again, and that would be worse.
I think this is one of those occasions where, rather than doing the boyfriend down necessarily, you can build your DD up. She still values your opinion and wants you to take care of her when she's sick which is good because you obviously have a great relationship. I think she half-realises this guy is a bit of a knob tbh and is probably finding his behaviour annoying already. If you initially go for the approach of telling her how fabulous she is and how you admire her independence and strength of character (insert other attributes here) and talk to her about all the opportunities ahead of her as a young woman I think she'll gain enough confidence from that to give this loser the heave-ho. Of course, if she asks you directly what you think of him, be very honest and don't pull your punches.
What Hooked said.
Thank God he's going away for the summer. With a bit of luck she'll have a great time with friends and family and realise what a prat he is.
Bearing that in mind, I wouldn't have too a heavy a discussion with her just yet, in case it results in her getting a bit 'Romeo and Juliet' about the relationship.
I would insist on meeting him before she goes to visit him in Ibiza though. Is she going on her own or with a friend?
Oh don't we all remember first love? It's a hard subject to broach with your DD because it might just look like you're raining on her parade. Maybe remind her that first love isn't supposed to make you cry with guilt.
I'm sure you've done a great job raising her with self-respect. Sometimes it is necessary to prompt family into applying it to themselves. She'll thank you for it later in life.
First love should be all swirls, butterflies and general wonderment. Not guilt, anxiety and tears with a temperature.
Yes, talk to her before he talks her into moving in together and having a baby.
OP, many red flags i'm afraid....
1. Isolating her from her family and friends...sounds like it
2. Cocklodger potential - being supported by his mum then wanting to move in with your daughter - I bet she (or his mum) will be asked to provide the deposit, put her name on rent and utility bills. I bet it will be cheaper for him, and your daughter will be doing his laundry and cooking too (just like his mum).
3. The worst one is demanding she travel, by public transport, to see him when she is poorly. This shows he has no empathy for her as a person, just for what she can do for him.
At 18, with a good job, she should be out enjoying herself with her friends, not with this needy tosser.
Glad she turned him down, it will all seek up on her,controlling emotional abuse,control of money who she talks to etc.....and she wont even notice till its to late.
Talk to her before she falls in love with him, it only gets worse.....im still stuck and have been for 4 years.
lazarub that's actually a good place to start, getting he to look at it as if it was a friend that was in her position.
I've since found out tonight that they have been arguing recently as he wants them to move in together when he gets back, apparently it will be cheaper? She briefly brought the subject up last week, in a joking manner and I laughed it off, saying she wouldn't have enough money for shoes and handbags.
Also I found out his mother is finding him at the moment as he is not in work, we're my dd has a fantastic job. She really doesn't need this right now
I think she was actually sounding me out, thankfully she turned him down .
I think he just sounds immature and insecure.
Tbh there is nothing you can do and if you try to intervene it will back fire on you.
Leave her to it but let her know she doesn't have to go to Ibiza if she doesn't want to.
I am 26. When I was 18/19 I was in a relationship with a guy who was a bit of a hermit and really tried to get me to become a hermit too. He controlled what friends I saw and when. If I was staying withhim he would go on for hours and hours about the importance of honesty and not cheating etc etc when I had never given him a reason to think I had done anything.
He lived in a town about 30 miles from my flat.
My parents live abroad and one weekend my mum came over and decided to stay with me in my flat. We were all settled in bed, watching tv and happy we were spending time together when my BF called and made me feel so guilty that I had to get on a train to see him and stay over.
When i told my mum I was going she looked so sad and hurt.
The bf was a weirdo, i finally saw the light and to this day still feel so, so stupid for leaving my mum there on her own when I hardly ever saw her.
All for what? For nothing. I really wish I had that time with my mum now. I still hardly see her
To the OP's daughter: You are worth more than what this guy is making you. It may feel good, and intense and exciting but from what your mother has said I really would advise you to leave. You were ill and he didn't respect that. He caused a fuss saying you wouldn't see him until after Ibiza but this was just his way of making you come to see him because he knew you wouldn't want to not see him for that long and also probably make you think he is going to get up to lots of stuff whilst he is away. It's sneaky and just not nice!
My ds's first gf was a bit like this. I sat him down and told what I thought & why. I asked him to imagine it was a friend in that position and what he would think being outside looking in. He saw it to an extent. It got worse and eventually they split. It was a learning curve for him, albeit a painful one.
Hope all goes well for you OP. Your dd is lucky to have such a lovely mum.
Morning ladies, lavender she isn't immature, just a people pleaser. She is more than aware of manipulative behaviour, it was the fact that she was making excuses for his behaviour and trying brush it all of as every thing was fine and she was happy when he had got his own way.
It's not normal behaviour for any age, no one should make you feel like shit. I'm going to have a talk with her later.
Thanks for your support ladies.
I think 18 is an adult too (unless she is really immature). I was certainly mature enough to work these things out for myself as that age. Sometimes you do need to get your fingers burnt to learn about relationships.
Just be there in the background to keep an ear out for her and for hugs and reassurance when it all ends.
Tread very very carefully or he'll manipulate her away from you.
YANBU at all btw
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In case you show her this thread:
OP's DD - your mum really isn't overreacting here. This isn't about the age gap - it's not a normal way to treat someone in a relationship. It's not a sign of someone being romantic and deeply in love with you, it's a sign of being really controlling. And controlling partners can get an awful lot worse, very quickly. It's OK to walk away from this one - it's not your job to fix him.
22 years of age is old enough how to treat another person.
A 22 year old is an adult, if a 22 year old female and a 22year old male committed the exact same offence the courts would punish them the same.
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