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Warped perspective, need some opinions on how bad these events are (father/stepmother related)

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R2PeePoo · 01/08/2012 22:44

I should start by saying that I have had low self esteem, high stress levels, anxiety and depression for a long time that I am only now getting help for, in part due to my father who is a bully and sees me as a failure because I don't fit his idea of a perfect child. He and his wife have done things that I have suppressed and ignored for years, eventually managing to make a joke out of them (as I am very passive and find confrontation incredibly upsetting). When I told the counsellor that I am seeing a few of the things she was incredibly shocked and told me that they were some of the unkindest things she had ever heard. But in my head I can explain them/laugh them away as wellmeant but inappropriate and most people gasp and laugh when I telll them, she was the first person to be shocked. I think I need an external perspective before I can believe her.

So a few of the things:

On my 22nd birthday they turned up with a box full of little individually wrapped presents. I got very excited but when I opened them but it was all the things that my mother had left behind in the house when she had moved out two years previously. Basically my stepmother had emptied the medicine cabinet, drawers and under the sink cupboards and wrapped it all up. There were half-used lipsticks, old milton bottles, a package of old fashioned maternity towels etc.

When we visited with brand new baby DD she took me to one side and presented me with a bag. Inside was 'sexy lingerie' two sizes too small. She then proceeded to tell me several stories of colleagues who had become too immersed in their baby and ignored their husbands who had then had affairs and left them (Stepmother doesn't have any DC). She spent the rest of our visit monitoring my portion sizes, to the extent of removing bowls from my hands and replacing them with smaller ones. I found her going through my luggage and she told me I should throw out all of my black clothes and wear brighter colours as my baby wouldn't be stimulated. She produced a bag of clothes she had bought (two sizes too small and not my style) and sulked horrendously when despite thanking her I didn't wear any of them during our stay.

Everytime she visits she rearranges cupboards and drawers, especially the kitchen which drives DH crazy. She questions every aspect of my life and makes it clear that she thinks I am not a good wife to DH. When I had DS and they offered help I asked them once if they could bring something to eat when they visited as DS was a colicy, refluxy baby who needed to be held constantly. I was expecting bread/cheese/ham etc but they spent the whole time in the kitchen making a lavish four course meal, complaining about the size of the kitchen and constantly asking me to find equipment they needed to cook.

My dad was there for all of these (and others) and said nothing. My problems with him are more deeprooted and complex, around feeling like I have to be a good girl, wellbehaved, academic and quiet. But he has made it clear he sees me as a failure because I am a)fat, b)a SAHM mum with a good degree which I don't use and c) I had children young.

I can see that the stepmother things don't look good, but I believe she genuinely thought she was doing the right thing and didn't want to hurt my feelings. She doesn't have any family of her own and she stepped into a ready made one when she married my dad and I think she was trying to act like a mother without really knowing me. My counsellor says that she constantly oversteps the boundaries so far that it shocks me into silence, whereas I do challenge smaller issues. She also says that it isn't well-meaning, quirky, thoughtless, eccentric or gently inappropriate (as I have been telling myself) but hideously unkind and mean. That they are bullying me and making me feel like a failure because I don't do what they think I should. That I don't have to see them if I don't want to.

This is a whole new way of thinking, my head is spinning and I honestly don't know who is right and wrong anymore.

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Kladdkaka · 01/08/2012 22:54

Based on what you've put here, I don't think she sounds 'hideously unkind and mean', I think she sound bloody weird.

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PermanentlyOnEdge · 01/08/2012 23:01

I have to say I'm with your counsellor on this one. I have had similar horrible experiences with my dad and stepmum and it took me a long time and a lot of help from a therapist to see that their behaviour was awful and unacceptable. The head spinning thing is quite normal. You have had to 'normalise' their behaviour to make any sense of it. They don't 'see' you, so they don't validate you. You end up feeling a non-person and unsure of yourself.

I think just keep listening and working with your counsellor, and try to hold it in your mind that she may be right.

And you really don't have to see them.

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PermanentlyOnEdge · 01/08/2012 23:03

And those things they did are horrible, no question.

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squeakytoy · 01/08/2012 23:08

Your husbands wife sounds barking mad, and a nasty evil witch too.

Your counsellor is right about her.

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rockinhippy · 01/08/2012 23:11

Warped, twisted, weird & very unkind for sure, but I can see why you would make excuses for her & pass it off as it as her inability to know how to cope with the sudden family - but then I've a Narcissist for a mother, so know all about rationalising the irrational?. your counsellor is right

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newbielisa · 01/08/2012 23:11

The rearranging cupboards and 4 course meal I see as misguided.
The weirdness of your mothers sanitary towels amongst other things being wrapped for your birthday baffles me but don't see it as bullying.
When she gave you the clothes/lingerie 2 sizes too small did she acknowledge that they're too small and say you need to diet into them, does she know your size or did she expect your body to snap back immediately after childbirth (we all thought that pre children, how wrong we were)?

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squeakytoy · 01/08/2012 23:15

"The weirdness of your mothers sanitary towels amongst other things being wrapped for your birthday baffles me but don't see it as bullying"

I dont see it as bullying, I just see it as downright fucking disgusting, and there is just no rational explanation for it.

I started reading that bit, expecting op to have something similar to my first xmas presents when I left home... I went back to my parents and there was a huge pile of wrapped gifts.. tbags, loo roll, washing up liquid, eggs.. ie all the things I had be borrowing regularly as I ran out so often!! now that was funny... the OPs "presents" were some sort of cruel power play.

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R2PeePoo · 01/08/2012 23:20

Lots of different opinions here, thank you all, its really hard for me to see what is normal and what is not.

FWIW the present thing- the half used cosmetics and cleaning products were all at least twenty years old (so nothing usable at all-the towels and milton were from when I was born) and were literally the only things my mother had left behind in the house. They were all covered with dust. This was the first time I had met my stepmother and it was my only present from them.

The lingerie was deliberately too small, she had asked my size the month before. I was a 36FF and an 18 (was a 16 before DC), these were 34C and a 14. All of the clothes were size 14.

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Noqontrol · 01/08/2012 23:25

The meal, i could see them as trying to do something nice, in a misguided fashion. The rearranging of cupboards, controlling but possibly she thinks shes being helpful. The clothes and removing food to replace with smaller bowl, rude, weird, controlling and not on this planet. The wrapping up of the presents, totally utterly bizarre, and quite hurtful intentionally or otherwise.

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newbielisa · 01/08/2012 23:39

One good thing I picked up from your post, they obviously don't live nearby so hopefully you can keep them at arms length. TF for distance.

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Arana · 01/08/2012 23:44

Come join us on the stately homes thread - all about adult children of abusive parents. You'll be in good company.

Your dad sounds very much like my dad - disappointed that I didn't do better than he did, because he did better than his dad did.

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R2PeePoo · 01/08/2012 23:45

About an hour away newbielisa, but they are pushing for more contact than I want to give them which has brought on somewhat of a crisis (literally, I was admitted to hospital after collapsing, which the doctors think was due to extreme stress and anxiety playing havoc with pre-existing digestive problems. My body went into shock.). They don't take 'no' for an answer and brush aside excuses.

I'd be happy seeing them two or three times a year for a few hours, but they want us to go and stay with them and go on holiday with them. Also to have DD to stay in the room they have had specially decorated and ready for four years (DD is 7). The thought of DD on her own in their house without me makes my stomach clench and my palms sweat.

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R2PeePoo · 01/08/2012 23:50

Arana- yes. My dad was the first from his family to get a degree, he really struggled to get it. He paid for me to get mine and its a constant source of irritation to him that I don't use it. He only stopped recently because DD is showing signs of being incredibly bright and he believes that is down to me staying at home with her. Ironically my brother, the black sheep, is now the favoured one as despite dropping out of university he is doing amazingly well in his job. But he refuses to talk to my dad at all, won't answer the phone to him and visits once a year for a few hours at Christmas.

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LaRevenanteSecrete · 02/08/2012 00:12

The "presents" thing made me gasp in horror.

I agree with your counsellor that there is definitely a lot of bullying and controlling going on here, and the fact that you are finding it so very hard to set boundaries with them re the amount of contact you have is very telling. If you weren't afraid of them in some way, if they didn't have this emotional hold over you, you would feel confident that you could just refuse to go along with them and there would be nothing they could really do about it, short of kidnapping you. Presumably even they are not quite on that scale.

Good for you for going for counselling and starting to look at all this differently; it is very hard I know, and unfortunately it can often be a painful process, but it will benefit you and your own family enormously in the long run and you are on the right track. You are absolutely dead right to be protective of your DD around them, and also to be protective of yourself. Life is hard, we need people around us who really love us and make us feel loved and truly safe. Your father and step mother don't sound like that at all.

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icecold · 02/08/2012 01:35

based on the one thing....the wrapping all your mums old stuff up and giving it to you as a birthday present...that woman would never step foot in my house ever ever again Angry

heartless fucking bitch

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icecold · 02/08/2012 01:37

i bet if you cut contact with them, your stress and anxiety would improve dramatically

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MamaCross · 02/08/2012 02:27

Hi OP, I have similar problems to you, see my thread 'a ramble - not sure what I need'. Your counsellor is dead right and I think you know that in your heart of hearts. But I know, only too well, how hard it is to accept that these people have not been treating you normally and that you actually deserve a whole lot better. Keep up with the counselling, even when it gets really hard, it will be worth it.

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MamaCross · 02/08/2012 02:28

Forgot to add: the presents, lingerie, going through your stuff, rearranging your cupboards in your home - all completely vile behaviour. No excuses for any of it.

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CrikeyOHare · 02/08/2012 06:04

Most of what you talk about - the clothes, the meal, the rearranging of cupboards etc can be put down to annoying & inappropriate behaviour, rather than outright bullying or spite (in my opinion). Lots of people put up with (or don't, as the case maybe) this kind of nonsense from parents, step-parents or in laws. Doesn't make it right, don't get me wrong, but it's not unheard of.

But the business of wrapping up your mother's belongings and giving them to you as a birthday present is a whole other matter. That might possibly be the most spiteful and unpleasant thing I have ever read on these boards. The thought of an excited young girl opening her gifts to find 20 year old sanitary towels breaks my heart.

I suppose, maybe if they'd followed it up with a proper gift, then it could be put down to a not-very-funny joke - but this wasn't the case. It was an absolutely disgusting thing to have done, with no possible justification that I can think of. And, frankly, I would be extremely loathe to have anyone near my kids who has a mind that functions in that way.

Parents are not automatically entitled to respect just because they're your parents, OP - they have to earn it, like everyone else does. Your father and his vicious bitch of a wife have NOT earned your respect and you are under no obligation to have anything to do with either of them at all.

You should consider removing these people from your life altogether. And, if you do, you should NOT feel guilty about it. They had the opportunity to step up to the mark and failed abysmally. Your life is too precious to waste on such toxic people, so don't.

Good luck OP :)

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CrikeyOHare · 02/08/2012 06:08

Your brother has the right idea, in my opinion.

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GColdtimer · 02/08/2012 06:36

Do you get on with your brother? The fact you have such a reaction to the thought of your dd staying there alone is very telling. We will protect our children from things we are willing or programmed to tolerate. That reaction should tell you that they or their behaviour is far from normal.

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Finallygotaroundtoit · 02/08/2012 07:20

Do they know you're having counselling? Like many here I can't get past the rubbish as presents thing. Confused

What do you think would be their answer if you said,
" My counsellor has asked me to explore what was your thinking behind gift wrapping my mother's tat belongings?"

The 'too small clothes as presents' used to be a common piece of advice supposed to give incentive but has rightly been found to be crap, so I suppose that is a bit more understandable.

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nkf · 02/08/2012 07:30

You poor woman. I am shocked too. Utterly shocked. I kind of know what you mean about having relations who are so out there in their comments that sometimes it takes so long to process it and you end up letting it go.


She sounds like a nightmare. Intrusive, impertinent, insulting - everything bad. Horrible woman. I guess if you stretch your imagination to the widest point, you could see some of it as well meant but why bother? Take it as face value. Making you feel bad about your weight is not kind. Rearranging your cupboards is interfering. Giving you your mother's old stuff is weird and insulting.

It's massively complicated and there are people on here with lots of experience of difficult family. My only advice would be not to overthink it. Feel what you feel and act on it.

I hope it gets better.

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Katnisscupcake · 02/08/2012 07:40

Goodness OP.

So, the present thing is appalling, no two ways about it. The underwear thing could have been regarded as 'good advice' if she hadn't actually bought the underwear! A few friends/family reminded both of us (not just me) to make time for each other once our DD came along, but there would have been better ways of saying that to you!

The other clothes thing (coloured clothes stimulating the baby???) I wonder if she really has no clue...

BUT irrespective of all that, your Father should be standing up for you or at least querying your StepMother's actions. He's not, but from your history, you're no doubt unsurprised.

You are very vulnerable and I think at this point your DH needs to stand up to them. If it was his parents, I'm sure he would already have done that and normally I wouldn't recommend him getting involved with your parents, but in this instance, you need his support. It sounds like emotionally you're not in a place to be strong and confrontational with them (I'm exactly like you and so I'm giving you advice that I would hopefully take myself if faced with this...).

Please ask your DH to liaise with them for now and don't see them, at all, until you're feeling stronger. Are you close to your brother? It sounds like he has his own issues with your Father.

Do you still have contact with your Mother, can she help? Is your Father perhaps bitter that your Mother left and taking it out on you?

I'm really sorry that you are going through this. Concentrate on your DD for now and ask DH to deal with all the crap. xx

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ivykaty44 · 02/08/2012 07:41

You are right

You step mother and father are wrong TBH they are mean and must live on an awful planet.

Keep them at a distance and when you do see them remember to practice saying

O my God that's an awful thing to do
Dont be so mean spirited
Don't be so nasty

then when they take offence or say it was a joke

you rely firmly

It is not funny - see anyone laughing?

repeat all the above a lot - broken record often helps people stop being to blardy mean and nasty when you repeat they are being mean and nasty

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