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A bit of a Jekyll and Hyde?

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HildaVonCrapp · 23/01/2011 11:30

I live with a lovely man, he is generous and kind and genuinely can't do enough for me or my children (not his). He works hard but is never too tired to be all he can be when he comes home - such a sweet guy. He is 100% appreciated, everyone says please, thank you and offers to help/do things in return are always forthcoming. Needless to say I love him dearly.

However every so often we (all) experience a very different person (maybe once every 2 or 3 months) and I absolutely cannot get my head around it, neither can the children (all teenagers - 19, 17, 15, 13).

I will try and explain briefly. A bit of background. My life (social, family, work) is his life. The house we live in is mine (I lived on my own for 5 years before I met him) and I have gone out of my way to make him feel part of it, dedicating space to him and redecorating to incorporate his taste. I share everything with him without question and he wants to share it, yet his life is quite obviously his own. His family, his friends, his work. And actually that is fine but I just find it a little odd.

He showed me a text last weekend from a friend of his that would indicate they were very close and I mentioned it would be nice if he pay us a visit (he has never been to our house in the 3 years we have been together). DP's reaction was intense and he was very defensive of the friendship to the point of telling lies and all at huge volume. I sat with an open mouth tbh as I could not for the life of me think what I may have said to warrant such a tirade over an innocent suggestion. Every time I opened my mouth to speak he shouted across me. He then spent days in a sulk. He refused to talk, was sullen and gruff, walked out of the room mumbling at least once a day and not just with me but with kids too, which makes me rather bloody cross I have to say.

Now this is not the first instance of this. If I hit a nerve (ie dare to pry into the life he has that we are not welcome in) he reacts like this and there have been numerous episodes of the same with different triggers. I am not one to tread on eggshells and am a very upfront person so naturally find this difficult to deal with. Happy for him to have privacy, Christ we all need that, but think this goes beyond that. I deal with sulking by choosing to ignore it rather than pander to it, after all he is 41, adult enough to voice his anger/pissed offness or whatever it is.

I have tried over and over talking to him about this reaction but he looks at me blankly and says he doesn't know what I am talking about. Emailing/writing just gets ignored.

I am writing here now to see if any of you have a clue what I can do. It is affecting our sex life now - me I'm afraid. I find it hard to be close to someone physically when there is an emotional gap. I used to be able to get it back when the episode was over but it gets more and more difficult.

I know this probably doesn't sound like much but it is driving me round the bend :-( Please help?

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msboogie · 23/01/2011 11:36

This sounds very odd. What is the basis of his reaction? the context of his defensiveness? what is he acccusing you of accusing him of? (if you get me)

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HildaVonCrapp · 23/01/2011 12:00

Msboogie thanks for replying.

It is very difficult fitting all info on without writing an epic isn't it?

Yes, I get you. On this last occasion I was apparently accusing him of having a gay relationship. Now this is a well discussed topic as he had a gay relationship in his teenage years (not with the chap in my post) and is pretty relaxed about the whole thing? I also was accusing him of lying (not my words but essentially he was - he claimed never to have been to this chap's house and I know he has been numerous times as he has talked about how chap's gf is very house proud and makes him sit on a sheet).

The lying thing is a recurring theme in most of these episodes and actually he does lie his arse off when he feels cornered.

There is a certain childish reaction going on here - I don't mean that in a derogatory way but in terms of this is how he would react if his mother "caught him". God knows what he thinks he is doing wrong?! Hmm

It is so difficult to put this into words. Have I managed to answer clearly enough? Confused

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HildaVonCrapp · 24/01/2011 09:26

Oh dear! I am obviously not the only one who doesn't get this. Or am I not making sense?

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nurseblade · 24/01/2011 09:31

He sounds very much like my ex, especially the lying when confronted with something. Does he upset you and then somehow make you feel sorry for him?

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NotQuiteCockney · 24/01/2011 09:54

I get it, but I don't know what to say. What's his mother like? What's his relationship with her like?

Is it possible to have a calm conversation with him about these blow-ups, well after a blow up?

You could comment, the next time he says something about having been to this bloke's house, something about how that doesn't fit with what he said before ... but then you would be catching him out, which isn't likely to go down well ...

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Polecat2011 · 24/01/2011 10:25

Hi,

He sounds a bit as if at times he is having his own private single life, you are a bit like his parents and he is the teenager with the secret life. Are you older than him? Does he encourage you to behave like a mother? Just a thought and probably wrong.

I live with a liar who keeps secrets. Eventually you drift apart because you are forced to detach or row.

Good Luck

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msboogie · 24/01/2011 10:29

sorry I didn't come back OP. Hmmm.. it sounds to me like he is keeping his life compartmentalised because he is trying to protect the lies he has told. Your attempts to encroach into the other aspects of his life are reacted to as if you were trying to catch him out in a lie. I am sorry but I would be very wary of this chap. Is he a bit of a fantasist?

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maras2 · 24/01/2011 12:14

Hi Hilda.How well did you know this guy before you started living with him,and how much of his past do yoy know about?Do you know any of his family or friends?His behaviour does sound a bit sus.Hope I'm wrong but I think you should be a bit wary of him for both yours and your kids sake.

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HildaVonCrapp · 24/01/2011 13:30

Nurseblade, I practice tough love so he doesn't make me feel sorry for him but he certainly does try!

NQC - his mother is a God botherer of the worst kind. I have no problem with religion/spirituality etc and have my own set of beliefs however I don't ram them down the throat of everyone I meet. I have probably only met his parents a hand full of times and we speak sometimes on the phone but usually she just off loads the latest family dramas and thats that! He sees them regularly but from what I have seen and from what he says he switches off whilst there. Usually behind a paper!

I am a huge advocate of calm conversations once the dust has settled (he would rather shout at the time) but he reacts in the same way as I describe in my first post and before you know it he is squeaking and squawking all over! Either that or he hangs his head as if he is receiving a bollocking when actually I am trying to encourage him to have his say and work out why he reacted and what I said to upset him etc.

Have done the catching out thing - again he shrieks like a banshee at me!

Polecat actually you are pretty close I think. I am older than him by 18 months but in our 40s so wouldnt have thought that would make a huge difference. However he does have the secret life and behaved like this with his ex-wife. His defense when on the spot is "I have always done this"!

He doesn't lie under normal circumstances, ie about....

Actually I say that and I can already think of a few instances where he has lied! Oooh my life!

Msboogie no apology necessary. I see what you are saying and perhaps you have a valid point. I guess he is a bit of a fantasist although he rarely talks about anything other than the mundane I guess. WHich makes him sound a bit dull too!!

Maras, I knew him for about eighteen months. He lived in the same village prior to living with me and has always seemed popular. He is a good networker if nothing else.

There are no flies on my children and they all pick up on these strange behaviours. On the odd occasion, my middle boy (who can't stand BS or people who aren't straight speaking) will speak out. Politely and respectfully, but he does it!

Hmmm now what? :(

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bubblewrapped · 24/01/2011 13:40

How long have you been together, and how long has he lived with you?

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ItsGraceAgain · 24/01/2011 14:12

No, this is way beyond eccentric. I don't think it's good for you or your children to be sharing your life with such a weirdo. I'm sorry but there it is.

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roberta79 · 24/01/2011 14:35

Hi Hilda, sorry you are having to deal with this. He does sound like he is hiding something which obviously he is not going to come clean about and obviously it is very difficult to approach him about. Interestingly before I read any of your other posts, I thought it sounded like he might be hiding something about his sexuality just because It sounds strange he would go off the deep end when you suggested this friend come and stay.
If you are being honest with yourself, what do you think his issue might be?
It doesn't sound like this is going to sort itself out and it's clearly affecting you. Some how I think you need to be able to talk to him and to make him aware of what is going on....

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msboogie · 24/01/2011 14:52

It doesn't sound good to be honest hilda. I think what is very important in these types of situations is that you listen to your instincts. There is a little voice in your head that is telling you this bloke is not right and you really ought to listen to it.

I had an ex a bit like this - a liar who made stuff up and put his own spin on reality. I sensed something was wrong about him but ignored it for a while however in the end I couldn't avoid the fact that he was a bit odd. He was a charmer on first sight but it was only an act.

You really oughtn't to let him screech and squawk over you in your own house. I think you need to be more assertive hilda.

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HildaVonCrapp · 24/01/2011 15:01

Roberta I usually work on the premise of what you react to you are guilty of but there are lots of different triggers which at other times he may joke and laugh about himself. He seems to find it very difficult to cope with people (by people I mean me and my children right now) knowing him well and seems to be embarrassed by who he is. If one of us perchance hits upon a truth he is not quite ready to acknowledge himself that is generally when we get a reaction. Hence the example given in my original post, I think he feels guilty for not including me in his life but still doesn't want to allow me in so by shouting and squeaking he establishes a situation where I will no longer probe.

Perhaps it is, or has been a gay relationship - I don't actually give a toss. I don't even need the truth if he doesn't want to share it but on the flip side I don't expect or deserve to be shouted and yawped at.

So perhaps I have answered my own question to a degree - the shouting stems from him trying to protect something he is not ready to look at or deal with himself yet (obviously I can't force him to either).

If I press an issue he resists by shouting more.

If I try and talk round an issue he hangs his head like he is getting a telling off from the teacher.

Perhaps I should just leave these areas well alone and have some respect for the things he doesn't want to unearth? Dunno!

I want him to stop reacting, to stop following me once he has reacted and I want to back off until he has calmed down. (He follows me because he then wants everything to be alright and says sorry over and over).

Argh the more I type the more confusing it becomes Confused Sorry everyone, please bear with me whilst I unravel where to go next and keep the advice and questions coming because they are helping.

When he relaxes and forgets himself he is lovely and really not at all weird. You will just have to take my word for that Grin

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NotQuiteCockney · 24/01/2011 15:06

Is counselling an option? His reaction to you is very parent-child (with him as the child) rather than adult-adult. I asked about his mother because I wondered if she was the type to leave him no privacy (as a child, teenager, and adult) and hence he gets very twitchy if anything you do intrudes on that privacy.

If counselling is an option, could you couch the request for counselling carefully, pointing out how well you get on most of the time, but you can tell you're sometimes saying/doing things that really upset him, and you don't really understand how. You'd like to understand what's going wrong here, so that you no longer upset him this way. And then deal with it, with a neutral third party in the room.

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HildaVonCrapp · 24/01/2011 15:33

Msboogie I don't stand for shouting and squawking in my house from anyone. We are a family of cool calm collected consideraters (sorry made that word up but you get my drift?) When he starts I ask him to go out and calm down or I walk away. I refuse to engage tbh. Sorry perhaps I haven't made that clear previously? The original post cites an incident in the car as we were travelling down the motorway and frankly I was just going to shut up and put up in that situation. Best to let him rant than it escalate.

NQC I wanted to go for counselling last year and made an appointment but he chickened out last minute and said he would rather sort it f2f. Gave him the chance and seemed ok till this last incident - clearly he has been bottling up. It will be no issue to bring it up again and I will. Something tells me it will be a fight to get him there. I think you have a valid point re parent child relationship and I try and avoid being cast in the mother role as much as I can.

In reality he knows he has an issue but he doesn't want me to know what it is in case I "go off" him as he puts it. He does use some very childish terminology in reference to our relationship.

I think he is terrified of "losing" me so has to be perfect all the time. I am not perfect at all, I fuck up left right and centre (see my other post today) and have no desire to be with perfection. The worry is he wants to be perfect not for himself but to keep me.

Am really thinking out loud but it seems to fit...

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ItsGraceAgain · 24/01/2011 15:47

You're trying to fix him. Why?

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HildaVonCrapp · 24/01/2011 15:49

Where do you get that from Grace?

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ItsGraceAgain · 24/01/2011 15:58

Matter-of-fact warning!
You are in a one-way relationship. You share your life with him, he doesn't reciprocate.
You seem to find this acceptable, which it isn't.
You're wondering 'why'.
You have discussed the fact that he has issues, but not what they are. You're trying to guess what they are.
You have accepted his refusal to share, to reveal his issues or to address them.
You and your children are living with an unpredictable, secretive character. This is your choice: why?

You say The worry is he wants to be perfect not for himself but to keep me.

Worry? Why is THAT your worry? You're taking responsibility for his psychology.

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ItsGraceAgain · 24/01/2011 16:01

I really don't trhink you should try to fix him OR this relationship. There is no reasonable explanation for his behaviours, I'm afraid. Moreover, you're in half a relationship. You can do better, and your children deserve security.

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madonnawhore · 24/01/2011 17:38

He doesn't sound very nice. Why, after 3 years together are you still not inovolved in his life in any way? What is he? Your lodger with benefits?

Struggling to see what's in this for you.

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Conflugenglugen · 24/01/2011 18:34

My feeling here is that his anger is to do with his sexuality, and a past that he hasn't laid to rest - or a past he doesn't want to lay to rest. The reaction is his confrontation with it, and then his displacement of those feelings on to you. You hold up the mirror; he smashes it.

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HildaVonCrapp · 24/01/2011 19:52

Some challenging questions there Grace. I will try and answer them - apologies this may be loooong!

A one way relationship? Not really. He puts other stuff into it that I don't - on a different (generally physical) level admittedly. We do not all have emotional intelligence and self awareness. I accept that.

I accept he doesn't reciprocate on the sharing life front - that is part of what my post was about really. Is it unacceptable or just different? Who makes the rules? Horses for courses? I guess I am using this forum to think out loud and to invite debate and discussion.

Of course we have discussed what his issues might be but I can't tell him what they are even when they are plain to see, he has to recognise them for himself in order to move forward. Of course I want to know what they are, I am trying to find a way forward without these odd reactions. Understanding is half the battle. It is a relationship therefore what is wrong with me helping him with something I am qualified to do? Just like he helps me with the things he is qualified to do. And we muddle through with the rest.

His refusal to share, in the context of our lives is not prevalent in my thoughts or concerns for the most part; I have little time for the extra (although would gladly make time if he volunteered it). No one got anything by making demands and I would rather he volunteer it.

Anyone can be unpredictable, anyone can be secretive, it depends to what level. He doesn't scare, intimidate me nor strike me as any more unpredictable than any other human being, indeed he is a kind considerate caring man. No one person is perfect, no one relationship is perfect.

He is responsible for his own behaviour and the outcomes of that behaviour. However I do think we have a relationship worth working at (as I know he does, he just really doesn't have the tools to confront himself in the same way all of us clearly can).

In reference to my statement "the worry is he wants to be perfect not for himself but to keep me", the worry part is that the relationship will sustain more damage whilst he has that perspective.

With a bit of luck that epic will tell you that I don't want to or feel the need to fix him.

I believe there is always a reasonable explanation for behaviours. It is how unreasonable the behaviours are or become.

There is no question at all as to the security of my children. Of course you would have to meet us to appreciate that so again, it is a question of taking my word for it.

Madonna, lodger? I can see why you would think that but I am posting over an issue. I did state that for the majority of the time he is lovely and this behaviour happens infrequently. He probably suffers more often from my PMT! I have spoken about the negatives as they are what I would like to address/understand/debate/discuss etc. If there were nothing in it for me I wouldn't be posting, I'd be packing his bags Wink

He certainly has a past he has not laid to rest conflugen and I understand the dynamic, but it is not with his sexuality. Oddly this is one area where he has been honest with himself (and consequently me).

Gosh this is almost as long as War and Peace. Many apologies and thanks all for helping me to examine this Smile

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ItsGraceAgain · 24/01/2011 21:59

Hmmm. Thank you for taking so much trouble over your reply; I hope it is helping you to figure things out. I think you're minimising the problem. But I'll leave you to it :)

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HildaVonCrapp · 25/01/2011 09:16

Thanks Grace. I guess you have to walk a mile in someone's shoes to understand fully Grin I have a better understanding, yes. Will be mulling it over and sleeping on it for a few days. Thanks for your posting Smile

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