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Manchild tantrum.

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manchildmum · 02/11/2010 12:48

Ok so a bit of background. From my POV things have been very strained for a long time in our marriage.

I have relocated due to DH career leaving friends/family behind, I also have not had a chance to have any time to do anything for myself, nothing, no evening courses, no social events, nothing I am losing myself and my only trips out of the house are school runs, I joke not.

I'm so resentful of him, he has this career, the qualifications, the trips away, I have nothing. My kids are not nothing but I don't know who I am anymore.

As a couple sex is mainly for his benefit, I enjoy it but he does not really do it for me, in that it's all very aimed at his pleasure and that's all.

We have never spent a night by ourselves since our wedding night, I kid not. Last time we went out as a couple was 13 months ago for a few hours, I joke not.

Ok childcare is hard for us but it's not impossible, he always makes excuses, he'd sit at home all night on the net, every day if he could.

Big birthday for me coming up, his job will get in the way and that's his doing, he has made no effort to arrange anything, he thinks if he takes me out for an hour that will suffice. I have arranged back up plans to do things instead so now he thinks he does not have to do anything.

I am the one being selfish here apparently, maybe I am, but he won't listen, I feel dead inside I don't have any social life outside the house and the one adult I have daily contact with, we don't do anything.

It's reached a point where I can't continue in this relationship as it stands, I have reached my breaking point.

Today I tried to talk to him and he trashed loads of his stuff, threw things around the bedroom, saying I'd be happy if he had nothing, he'd trash all his stuff as I have taken everything, his money etc, we also have a new baby which he pushed for, (I know).

I just don't know where to turn, my HV is a good start I think. I just can't live like it anymore, it's so draining emotionally and I am running on empty. Either the relationship changes drastically or I have to leave for my own sanity.

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feistychickfightingthebull · 02/11/2010 13:03

Sorry to hear that you feel you are losing yourself. I totally understand what you mean OP as I have been there with my exh. It sort of creeps up on you and before you realise you are cut off from everything and life becomes a terrible routine. Your DH is not being a good husband if he is blaming you for daring to speak out. What does he mean you have taken all his money? You are doing an invaluable job looking after the children. How dare he react in that manner when all you were trying to do was to express your unhappiness.

Do you feel you still want to stay in the relationship? If you do then counselling might help. If you are finding everything draining then maybe a trial separation to see how you cope might help. Sorry that I do not have any expert advice but didn't want to leave you unanswered.

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mostlycheese · 02/11/2010 13:06

I don't really have any solid advice but didn't want you to go unanswered. You sound desperate for someone to talk to - have you spoken to any friends about how you feel?

Your DH sounds very selfish. How old are your children? Could you go away on your own for a while, or to visit friends? It sounds like you need to get away, to clear your head, and decide what the next steps are for you. Is that possible?

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dignified · 02/11/2010 13:37

He sounds very unpleasant , and the tantrum was an attempt to manipulate you into shutting up. How dare you try to express your feelings ! This is the tactic of an emotional abuser , they just will not listen to you no matter how you word it . You probably have no voice in this marriage.

Where abouts are you Op ? There might be some meet ups near you , or someone might be near by .

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manchildmum · 02/11/2010 13:40

Well, that's what I mean it's just crept up. I have tried raising these issue in the past but they kept getting brushed under the carpet. So it's at the point now where it's just gone on and on and on and I am jst so down about it all.

By money he means he is the one that works and the loan and stuff for the car is in his name, so I have taken all his money Hmm the car etc he insisted he buy.

I have no friends any more Sad the 2 I have at home I am still in contact with are miles away. That's my life I have no friends, I take the kids to school, come home and wonder if DH is going to acknowledge me when he walks in the door. Or blank me, moan about the housework or go straight on the net or to bed.

I miss having friends, I miss going out without the kids for a few hours, be it to work, evening school, someones house. I don't do anything anymore, I know no-one here and he wants to move somewhere else for a different job, where I'll be isolated further.

I don't know if I want to be with him in all honesty. He thinks when I mention seperation, it's an empty threat and I won't do it, but right now my emotions for him are ranging from love, hate and resentment.

I treated myself to a new dress by mail order for a family function coming up. Really pleased with it when it showed up as I can't fit my wobbly baby fat into anything else right now and it's a very pretty dress. Rather than a compliment or nothing I got a dig "Oh you are going to get cold" FFS for once can't he be nice or pay me a compliment without it being because he wants sex.

The kids are young, I could go for a few nights over the weekend to visit family and clear my head, that could be possible.

I am just so unhappy and he won't listen or understand why. I have no-one, nothing, no life, just nothing. He thinks I am selfish, I have my kids, I have a good life provided by him and he is my friend our social life is together.

We don't do anything, I am a mum and go as far as the school, that's it, I don't have any interaction with grown ups apart from him and it's non existent.

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dignified · 02/11/2010 13:54

You sound very loneley and down , im not surprised . He doesnt sound emotionally attatched to you at all.

Would it be possible to get a part time job during school hours ? Even if its only a few hours a week ? Or some volunteering , or a college course ? Youd meet loads of new people at college and its often structered around school hours.

I used to be in your situation . Sadly i didnt take my own advice as i also lacked the confidence , but i soon found it when i kicked him out .

Do have a look to see if theres any meet ups in your area , ive never been to one but they sound fab.

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manchildmum · 02/11/2010 14:07

Dignified I could do any of the above and I have made a promise to myself I will next year.

The thing is EVERYTHING I want to do gets ko'd by him. It won't fit in with his job, his career, his courses. Him, him, fucking him.

Although in school hours he won't have any say as I can put baby in a creche as I know colleges have them so I can do this anyway. I can start claiming myself back during these hours and there is nothing he can do. I have already decided I will do this in the new year.

But take my diet, v recently had a baby, lost stacks of weight, and it's melting off. I get told I am losing it too quick and I should be eating more, so he goes out and buys a load of crap for me to eat to be "nice". Can't even lose weight without getting criticised.

How do you find local meets?

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manchildmum · 02/11/2010 15:14

I have my hv coming out thursday, only problem is he'll be home.

I in all honest really don't want to do this anymore I can't. He just accused me of shovelling food. I had a biscuit. He knows I am post pregnancy nervous and have lost loads of weight so why dig.

Apparantley this is all down to me and I must have mental issues.

I am desperately sad and can't go on like this. I used to be a confident, good looking woman who had fun, friends and lots of admiring glances.

How did I turn into this unattractive, hollow version of who I was. No friends, no life, no fun, no make up, no hair or nails done, no attention. Just digs at my mental health, my ability as a mum and my looks, not to mention what a lifes failure I am and how fucking useless I am. How did I get to this stage of allowing him to do this to me.

I am so sad and have no one to go and talk too. I want the old me back.

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dignified · 02/11/2010 15:19

Good on you re the diet and your plans . He sounds extremeley controlling , do watch out for him getting worse as you start to take control of your life .

Controlling people are also abusive people . They are extremeley manipulative and see others as tools to be used for their own selfish purposes . It might be really helpfull to start researching this on the net to gain an understanding of whats going on in your marriage . Theres been several threads as well that might help you with loads of usefull links.

Their tactics have names , theyre well documented and its usefull to know them . I think the meet ups are at the bottom of the talk page . For now perhaps go to baby swimming classes ect , or anything thats going to get you out and about meeting new people .

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dignified · 02/11/2010 15:26

He sounds like an emotional abuser to me im afraid , this sort of criticism constantly and lack of support is absoluteley soul destroying.
Can you re arrange the hv to come another day ? Or can you pop down to the clinic tomorrow ?

Ignore his stupid comments about mental health problems , your not a failure , useless or any of those things that he says . Have you heard of projecting ? Hes likeley putting all his faults onto you.

Read this.
www.heartless-bitches.com/rants/manipulator/emotional_abuse.shtml

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mathanxiety · 02/11/2010 15:31

He is abusive and controlling. Read lundy Bancroft's "Why Does He Do That?"

'Just digs at my mental health, my ability as a mum and my looks, not to mention what a lifes failure I am and how fucking useless I am. How did I get to this stage of allowing him to do this to me.

I am so sad and have no one to go and talk too. I want the old me back.'

Listen to that little voice in your head that wants you back. It is your lifeline. Join in the NPD thread on Relationships [[http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/1033653-NPD-Abusive-partner-Recovery-thread (here it is), read the excellent links there posted by ItsGraceAgain.

Give your HV a call when the H is out of the house. Do you have a local Women's Aid? See if you can get there for a chat.

So sorry you are going through this. Sad It is so hard when you can't win for losing, and everything you do gets sneered at and sabotaged. You need to set yourself the goal of getting strong again, one step at a time, disengaging from him emotionally (you sound as if there's a lot of anger there, and that's good), and building yourself back up bit by bit.

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mathanxiety · 02/11/2010 15:32
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mathanxiety · 02/11/2010 15:34

hmmmmm Maybe this time LINK TO THREAD

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mathanxiety · 02/11/2010 15:37

ok, that's the right one.

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dignified · 02/11/2010 15:38

Manchild , i have the book Math mentioned , and many others like it . Initially i thought someone had written a book personally about my ex !

I dont read them anymore , so if they would be of any help to you i would willingly send them . If you are worried your dh might spot them in the post i could put the wrong name on and make it look like an ebay delivery gone wrong.

Do get in touch with womens aid , it sounds really bad.

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manchildmum · 02/11/2010 15:48

Thanks got the link will look. I already promised in my head come what may next year is MY year and I want to go back to college and intend in claiming back my own little life in school hours. Who knows maybe even the rare night out if I make friends.

I will phone the hv and leave a sec and ask her to come out another time too.

I know I can be miserable and a nag, but it's because I just want me back, I want to be happy, attractive and have fun again and my feelings are never listened to hence me being a miserable nag! I don't think this makes me mental.

Although apparently I don't need to doll myself up or lose weight along as I am attractive to him that's who I need to impress! What about me and wanting to feel good for me?

Going to take this slow and start opening doors with the hv. All I know right now is next year is my year to start claiming my life back and whatever else happens, happens but I need to change things.

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thatsnotmyfruitshoot · 02/11/2010 15:57

Can you give us a rough idea of where you are? I'd gladly come and meet up with you if I'm anywhere near.

As a starting point, can you get out to some local playgroups, NCT coffee mornings or whatever? I know it's daunting at first, but persevere and once people have seen you a few times you'll find they start to chat and suddenly turn into acquaintances and sometimes friends.

I wonder if your H is isolating you on purpose, it certainly sounds as though he's undermining you with the dieting, and chipping away at your self esteem. He must be incredibly insecure to feel he needs to keep you to himself.

Keep posting, lots of us have been where you are and we'll help you.

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mumonthenet · 02/11/2010 15:58

Here's another link

is Emotional Abuse? here

See if you recognise your life on this page.

I think you are being Verbally/Emotionally Abused...once you understand what's going on you'll start to feel stronger.

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HansieMom · 02/11/2010 16:11

Although apparently I don't need to doll myself up or lose weight along as I am attractive to him that's who I need to impress! What about me and wanting to feel good for me?

That's a good one! Hahaha.

What would he say if when he wants sex, you ask, "what's in it for me?" Would he at least give that some thought?

I hope you do lots for you. Things that make you happy, and get you out of the house and out of his influence.

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manchildmum · 02/11/2010 16:42

Well it's been really hepful to post actually thanks ladies, I feel like it's all just come spilling out in a gush and oddly it feels better.

I suppose it's been a denial thing, I have been thinking for a while, well I am a naggy old cow, I have let myself go a bit etc. I also have questioned my mental health and my ability as a mum and would he use this if we split. But I have realised it's not me, I have become this person as I feel like crap, empty basically is the only way I can describe it. I feel empty because my husband won't listen and help me be me and do things for me or support me. Which I know now is why I feel so down. I know I am not mentally ill, I just want some of myself back and that does not make me a bad or selfish mum. I love my children more than life, but just want 5 mins at some point.

I know that is all me, me, me but just for once I do actually need me time and do things for me as it's always about him.

There is an old strong part of me that kicked in today when I saw this tantrum, I need to change me, us to feel better and I can do it and I will as I don't want to live like it and the children to have an unhappy mum, I am scared it will eventually break me mentally and I can't have that.

I have just been told on a quick phoncall to the dr's/hv of a local meeting for mums with young kids, (I asked) so I'm going tomorrow, small steps and that. I feel a bit nervous but I'll go and I haven't told him I'm going either. She'll still come Thurs but I will go to clinic by myself after this group.

He's just come upstairs and started being nice, saying he loves me, we can work this out. I'm not fat, if anything getting too skinny, things will change, re time together if I move with him if he changes job..........then he puts our frustrations down to lack of sex and a new baby Hmm See he is nice when he wants a shag, that's half my problem with him ahh!

Dignified Thanks so much for the offer of the book it's very kind, I'll order it from Amazon I think as it's only £6 odd with prime, so cheaper than you posting it and the added bomus I have lots of stuff coming from them at the moment due to Christmas, so he won't see it.

Glad I posted now, I did think why am I, but I just felt so desolate and lonely earlier, I needed somewhere to talk as I have no-one and it's really actually helped a lot. I am greatful for the replies.

I have just spent so long living a lie I guess, on the outside perfect life, even I thought so really, kids, perfect husband, money, lifestyle etc and all the time I have been losing myself as the price and it's clicked. So now I am isolated totally and am now hitting issues as I want to change it and undo it all. But I can change this, I think slowly but surely I can do it. I can use here for posting rants and use the doors my HV opens for the rl stuff. As none of this life is real really it looks good but is bad for me, much like a Chinese takeaway Grin

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dignified · 02/11/2010 17:52

Grin at like a takeaway.
Im glad its helped , and im glad your going to this meeting tomorrow . Do keep on posting , youll get lots of support from people whove been exactly where you are .

The sex thing , grim isnt it. You know what , i didnt get off for over five years. When i stated i didnt see the point anymore he was genuineley shocked and then became outraged . How dare i have feelings of my own !

After reading that book i franticly started ordering loads of similar books and spent a small fortune . If you notice any others youd like give me a shout first and save yourself some money . A fantastic one is Living With The Dominater .

Its to do with the Freedom Programme , a 12 week free course that teaches you about Emotional Abuse , i hear its great fun , childcare provided ect, and many women go several times . Theres bound to be one in your area , may be worth looking up on the net .

You havent said where abouts you are , but if your anywhere in the North West you can have a weekly night out with me , complete with bad singing and a compulsery kebab !

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mathanxiety · 02/11/2010 17:53

'he is nice when he wants a shag, ' Reading this and what you consider to be 'nice' I am going Hmm because saying 'he loves me, we can work this out. I'm not fat, if anything getting too skinny, things will change, re time together if I move with him if he changes job..........then he puts our frustrations down to lack of sex and a new baby' is not being one bit nice.

It's basically continuing to assert his right to pass judgement on your weight, and making excuses for his terrible treatment of you, and holding out a carrot for you to keep you in line instead of the cold shoulder and the outright abuse that he normally uses.

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dignified · 02/11/2010 18:18

All this talk about weight , is he fat by any chance ?

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manchildmum · 02/11/2010 18:29

I'm down south dignified with family in the nw. Is he fat, no he is quite fit physically, that said he had put in about 2 stone the past year he said, you couldn't tell and he works out a lot but I reckon it's got to him.

Math you know what, I only just clicked that's him being nice, I think he's being nice and trying to make it up and he's not it's those little seeds there in b&w.

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mathanxiety · 02/11/2010 18:35

Yes, all those little seeds are there, that's a great way to put it.

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ElephantsAndMiasmas · 02/11/2010 19:00

" he puts our frustrations down to lack of sex "

He means he puts his tantrum down to lack of sex - he's making it your fault again.

How would it be if you just asked him to please not mention your weight at all? for most women I think the more weight is mentioned, the worse they feel, even if the comments are ostensibly nice e.g. "you've lost weight" etc.

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