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Need to get this straight in my mind - cant believe this is happening to me

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DoubleLifeIsALifeHalved · 03/10/2010 01:14

So something awful happened & i cannot tell anyone in rl, but its hard to sort out my head on my own. especially as dh is pretending it didn't happen, so much that i am getting a bit confused, so I wanted to write it down [name changed]. This is a very long and jumbled post as I am trying to work out what happened. For some reason it feels really important to me to sort the details out in my head. I don;t know why. Maybe it will make me feel more grounded and real somehow.

Relationship with dh has disintegrated, and 4 weeks ago, he moved out - pushed by me as I gave him an ultimatum, treat me better or leave, and he chose the leave option.

He is i guess you'd say mentally abusive, i've been really worn down and he will be rude and mean and belittling, and leaves me to do everything [money, baby, housework etc]. He will be horrible and then keeps pretending that everything is ok even when they aren;t - i mean really changing reality, to the point when I feel like I am going mad as I naturally mirror his reality, except I know its not true and I start to doubt myself. is this 'gaslighting'?

Anyway, I have realised how much it is grinding me down and making me believe I am worth less than everyone else, and its permeating everything in my life, and other people are also treating me like I am worthless.

Very hard for me to give up on him, but I desperately want more children, and to build a nurturing, safe and satisfying life for me and ds [5 months]. So although its going against every fibre of my being, I am trying to keep him moved out. But he is creeping back into my life and ends up staying here but not being nice to me or apologizing or even acknowledging how hurt and panicked about the future i am.

This is what I mean about weird reality - he creeps back in and stays on the sofa, every few days I have to have a big 'moment' with him where I tell him he walked out and if he doesn;t want to be my partner he doesn;t have the right to be here, and that means he can;t stay here anymore, and he acts shocked and angry, and walks out for a night, then is back hours later pretending it hasn;t happened and genuinely shocked when I build up courage to do it all again... I am used to living a lie as thats what I had to do growing up, and it feels like some kind of hell, constantly doing the one thing I find almost impossible to do, see through the lies and stick to what is actually the truth of whats happening, over and over and over again...

So anyway, the evening I am really freaked out by happened 3 weeks ago. That evening I try and talk to him about getting some routine into when he comes over, what he does to help etc. But it all went wrong, I probably wasn;t very nice, and he got angry. He did hit me but it wasn;t unprovoked, not excusing it, but trying to be being balanced.

Don't know if I am over reacting, or under reacting, I guess thats where my sense of reality is screwed up, dont know what to do really. It was only once, but i've read enough to know thats how it always starts, but I really don't feel scared of him now, 3 weeks later. Except maybe I do as I won't be getting into another argument with him again, as I don;t trust him when he gets angry he's not in control of himself. He also said some pretty terrifying things which am scared by too [about taking my ds away]. But then there really is no history of him doing things like that, so maybe it really is an isolated occasion. But can I really think that as he may not have hit me before, but he's destroyed my heart and soul and sense of self. crap. I really don't know.

sorry I am going to go on, here are the details of that night, so I can think it through, as its already slipping out of my brain.

He wouldn't acknowledge that this half in/ half out of relationship is destroying me, and so I went on and on at him, he was stonewalling me and when he did speak it showed a total lack of any humanity or empathy towards me. ust dismissive, & belittling of anything i tried to say.

And I did move towards him, get in his personal space and I was screaming at him to notice me and how I felt. I think I grabbed him, and thats when he just lost it and whacked me around the face. I know he gets overloaded with emotion, and that he tries to block out everything, but I just wanted him to acknowledge what he is doing to me. I guess I pushed him too far as I wanted a reaction, and i certainly got one, but it wasn;t the one i wanted.

He hit me across the face and neck, my head went into the sofa back, which I think made it alot less bad than it could have been. It least was soft, as I cannot believe how hard he hit me, I felt like my head was flying off my neck.

My eyes went blurry and my ears were ringing for it felt like ages after. Everything went a bit wobbly, didn't hurt for a while as it all felt a bit unbelievable and 'white noise'. I felt like I guess whiplash would be like - thats why am glad my head was near the sofa, if i had been standing up, or near a wall, I think it would have been worse [v scary, it felt like my neck would have snapped - meladramatic? maybe, I've never been hit before, I don;t know how much damage a hand can do, more than i thought, thats for sure].

He sprang up and started pacing up and down, screaming some terrible things, like how everything was my fault, he would take away my son and make sure i'd never find him, and he was laughing as he said it, and it was just dreadful. It didn;'t feel real, and I was still foggy from being hit, but I thought I better say something like I imagine people should say, so I said I was calling the police and he just laughed at me, and mocked me. I couldn;t find the phone so i couldn;t do that anyway, and at that point i realised i didn't know this man in front of me, he wasn;t my dh, he was out of control and very very scary.

I just got myself between him and the bedroom where the baby was sleeping, I couldn't stop thinking that if he'd hit my baby like that he'd have killed him. It wasn't that he'd threatened ds safety, but that he was so much stronger than I ever imagined, and that I couldn't physically protect ds if I needed. I really wanted to run away and that makes my heart hurt cos how could I want to run away when I couldn't get to my baby? I still couldn;t see properly and it was hard to focus enough to hear what he was shouting.

Then finally he calmed down a bit and finally noticed I was holding my face and neck, and it was only then he realised he'd hurt me. You could see finger marks on my neck, and my cheek and jaw were red, so he had to notice that it was a hard hit. humm, not sure about that actually, i think he believes it was not that hard.

He tried to excuse himself and say he didn;t mean to, he did it before he even noticed, and I had been too much in his face and it was a knee jerk reaction - and to be honest I think thats true. However, that wasn;t a glancing blow, that was so so strong, I never knew he was that strong. he said he didn;t even try and hit me heard - like he didn;t believe it was that hard - i think he thinks I am making a fuss but he didn;t dare say so as he knew how that would sound.

I was trying to find the landline handset as my mob doesn;t work in the flat, and I couldn;t find it, and was screaming inside as I just wanted to have hold of it as I wasn;t sure what would happen next.

He was mocking me for being scared of him, I think he thought I wasn;t serious, as I don't think he really registered what hed done. I kept asking him to leave and he wouldn;t and he was jeering at me, and I really wanted to run away from him but I couldn;t because ds was in the next room and I didn;t think i could grab ds and go as I was scared to try and take him, and I didn't want to wake him and see this, oh God, ds can;t ever know the depths to which I have sunk.

Then he finally realised what he had done and I asked for his keys, and he said no for a while, then he said he had to pack, but I didn;t want to let him go near the bedroom, so insisted that he left and went for a walk until he'd cooled off. he left and I sat there holding the keys and the phone and I had no idea what to do, I didn't dare go into the bedroom to check on ds as I thought he would be able to feel what had happened coming off me in waves. And i was shaking, this is my dh, how can this have happened, and why was i so upset, it was only what he'd being doing to me inside, but on the outside, simpler in a way to deal with.

anyway, I put ice on my face, he came back and apologized, and he seemed horrified by himself, really really shocked at what he had done. also said he wouldn;t really take ds from me, that he just said that to hurt me, and that he thought thats what I was threatening him with

[he had asked me earlier whether I would try and stop him seeing ds, and I said that although in my view he had no right to see him as he wouldn;t be supporting him or contributing in any way, I am a nice person so I wouldn't stop him].

and then he fell asleep on the sofa like nothing happened.

I know he sleeps to block things out, but then I was left with no space to go, didn't know if I should feel safe or not, didn't know if I should sleep or not. Instinctively felt that ds was safe as husband seemed in his right mind again, but very shaken, should I believe my instincts or not. Not sure at all.

nothing should be the same again, except it seems like everything is the same.

That was 3 weeks ago, and I had a bruise after, which i pointed out a couple of times, and he said 'oh god, I will go and buy something to put on it'. except he never did, and hes never mentioned the whole thing again.

Its like it never happened, am starting to doubt myself that it ever happened. Its kind of doing my head in actually. Hes not even being really apologetic or acting nicer, but not worse either - really genuinely like he's wiped it out from his brain.

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LadyBee · 03/10/2010 01:32

Hello. Why can't you tell anyone in RL about this?
You didn't do anything wrong, he physically attacked you.

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skidoodly · 03/10/2010 01:32

Call Women's Aid 0808 2000 247

call them right now. You need proper support sweetheart, you are suffering terrible abuse

There are some brilliant, very knowledgeable women on these boards who can help you with this, but they might not be around now and I think you need a real live person to listen to you.

I can hang out for a bit if you like, but WA will really help you.

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AisieSusie · 03/10/2010 01:39

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Angouleme · 03/10/2010 01:45

I'm not very good at posting BUT nobody deserves this treatment. I have no experience of this, but if I were you I would report him to the police. No matter if you were in his 'personal space' this does not give him the right / an excuse to hit you. I hope you're feeling ok.

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LadyBee · 03/10/2010 01:46

I don't know how quickly they do it, but if it makes you feel unsafe having it there then ask for it to be done.

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DoubleLifeIsALifeHalved · 03/10/2010 01:48

ok, so heres the post again and will ask for the other to be removed...

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DoubleLifeIsALifeHalved · 03/10/2010 01:48

Because I don't have anyone to tell.

Well, thats not quite accurate, its more that the very few people who would on paper be the people to tell, it would complicate things with them and probably cause trouble in those relationships.

For example, my parents would probably blame me - not necessarily for what dh is doing, but for making them unhappy and traumatised by telling them. They;ve done that alot before, I have learnt never to rely on them or expect them to take my side.

And I have one friend I could tell who would be nice to me about it, except I am the horrible position of having to rely on dh to do some everyday things for me as I am not physically well, and have no one else to help. So it means that he's around alot and i know friend would refuse to see him if i told her, so i'd end up losing the friend

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Mummiehunnie · 03/10/2010 01:51

call womens aid, and social services and dla. Social services for disabled adults which I gather is what you are? forgive me if i am incorrect. They come around and view the house and you, go through some paperwork and you open a bank account, and they help you recruit a pa (personal assistant) who you pay with direct payments from the council into the special bank account. You can also get help from Dla with expences related to disability. Therefore you don't have to rely on partner and friend!

Womens aid will be able to direct you to organisations that can help you!

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LadyBee · 03/10/2010 01:51

I am going to suggest that you take the risk and tell your friend and ask whether she can think of any ways that you can rely on your H less to help you. If you explain to her that you don't want to lose her but need help and so far that is being provided by H then she may understand - a good friend would even though they would hate to know that this had happened to you.

Are you permanently physically unwell or is this going to improve? Can you discuss the situation with your GP or Health Visitor and get more help that way? I'm concerned that you seem to be in a position where you're relying on someone that is abusive to you.

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Mummiehunnie · 03/10/2010 01:57

Actually now that I have worked out who you are (due to name change issues), I would also advise you to go to the police and gp regarding this incase you need evidence. I would also advise if you are undergoing joint therapy to stop at once and start individual therapy! x

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skidoodly · 03/10/2010 01:58

Please tell your friend.

Will you call WA? Good idea about ss too.

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LadyBee · 03/10/2010 01:58

Double - I'm really sorry, I need to get to bed. Please do look at the information here
Please don't doubt that what happened to you was real, it was, and it was abuse, and you do not deserve to be treated that way by someone who is supposed to love and care for you. Please trust yourself and respect yourself for the strong and intelligent woman I'm sure you are (you're a MNer after all!) Don't let this situation continue. You deserve better.

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DoubleLifeIsALifeHalved · 03/10/2010 02:01

Sorry I wasn;t being that clear. I am not registered disabled or anything, I am in severe pain & limited movement from a pregnancy related problem which is only just starting to get even slightly better. I wish I could get some more help, as its difficult to move around, even turn in bed and I can;t even bath my baby, or stand long enough to cook...

It should eventually improve, but no one can give me a timeline, consultant told me to come back in march :-( gp very nice but only so much she can do

And second not clear thing is that no one else helps me except dh, my friend is close enough for me to think about telling her, but she doesn't help me or anything. And yes, I myself am concerned that its dh who is emotionally destroying me but also the person I have to rely on [and he;s horribly unreliable anyway, its a mess].

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skidoodly · 03/10/2010 02:01

Look, I'm not even a particularly nice person but if someone I knew in real life told me they were in your situation I would move heaven and earth to get them out of it. People will help you if you let them.

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Mummiehunnie · 03/10/2010 02:11

You definatly sound like a dla and social sercices disabled adult case, I have mobility issues also and get help, actually I am not able to walk at all the last two days, I am a single parent with two children and not much support in rl either. I don't get dla for all the issues I have, I do get the lower care component due to difficulty with preparing meals. I get help around the house from direct payments, which I use sometimes and not others. I use it to get someone to do ironing from time to time and cleaning. I also when bad get a gardener to come and help me! You can spend the money how you wish as long as it is legit! They check with your gp,consultants and physio's etc and can ask you to attend a medical.

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DoubleLifeIsALifeHalved · 03/10/2010 02:15

stupid bloody name change, can't even do that bloody right. ffs. And just my luck for you to be posting on both my threads at once Mummiehunnie, although its kinda nice to get some advice with the whole picture, so thank you [really, i sound grudging but i am not really]. Weird that you are the first and only person to know the whole picture.

I don't think I have the strength to go to the police tbh, and that feels like it would spiral out of control very quickly. I just want to get my head around it, and try and move on from it as quickly and quietly as possible.

What happened if I tell my gp? Mummiehunnie would that be enough evidence? Do they have to automatically take it further? I am so screwed, I really am in a tangle of not knowing what to do for the best.

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SolidGoldBrass · 03/10/2010 02:17

Call Women's Aid, call the police, call social services and change the locks.

You are not being bad, or mad, or spiteful, to do these things. You have NOTHING to be ashamed of. THis horrible man is abusing you and YOU DO NOT HAVE TO LIVE LIKE THIS.
Honestly, there is help available to you, you are not dependent on a piece of shit who hurts you.

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ItsGraceAgain · 03/10/2010 02:20

Yes, you must tell someone in real life. Just letting the words come out will help you. I know what you mean about two realities - and give yourself credit, for realising this is what's happened and that you were trained this way as a child. I didn't clock that until MUCH later, even after I saw my H somewhere he said he wasn't!!

Hitting is bad. It's impossible to deserve it, unless you were physically assaulting someone at the time. You weren't, were you?

You're going to go through a rough time (again). But, this time, you'll start to break through to the truth - and you'll know you're heading to a better life for you & DC. Please phone some of the helplines, and anyone you really trust in real life. When you've got some time to think, have a click around the links on this thread. You're not alone, far from it.

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Mummiehunnie · 03/10/2010 02:23

please trust me police are your first port of call, after womens aid tonight, the police get you to csu, who are great and give support, also you may need the police records re ds and ex...

gp will help with records if you need it later on... also counselling to give you strength you need!

hv can get you things like homestart volunteer

ss can get you help with pa

I know it is all very hard and scary right now!

Am a disabled single mum who went through courts with abusive ex and if i can do it you can xxx

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DoubleLifeIsALifeHalved · 03/10/2010 02:25

thanks everyone for posting.

oh Lordy, I am in a brain tangle and I can't see the pro's and con's of any of the suggestions at the moment. I feel like I've got to do the right thing and I just can't work out what that is.

does a counsellor have to tell people if you tell them about domestic violence? my gp has put me on the waiting list for some counseling [and have started taking anti depressants too], as she knows he;s left me, although not any of the details.

I am scared of the consequences of telling anyone about this, i think I do need to tal it trhough with someone who won't take matters into their own hands, or won;t activate some kind of 'we have a duty to do it' kind of thing.

but first I think I need to go to sleep... I think maybe i've just done a really big scary thing tonight by posting, so I shouldn;t feel bad for not knowing what to do right now

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LadyBee · 03/10/2010 02:28

Ok I'm definitely going to bed, but just wanted to say that I think talking to your GP about it would be a good idea. You do sound like you need more support and if you tell your GP that you no longer have a "carer" in your H, and that you need their help with caring for the baby then they will need to take it further.

You sound worried about his thread to take the child away - can I suggest that you also seek professional legal help and discuss the following items - and your domestic situation completely. I think it would be helpful to you to get some qualified advice:

Rights of domestic abuse victims

Children and your rights
Your abuser may threaten that if you leave or tell anyone about what's happening, your child will be taken away from you. It?s important that you know that Social Services will not take your child away for this reason.
If you fear your partner will abduct your children, get advice as soon as possible. Your local Women's Aid group, Refuge, Law Centre, Citizens Advice Bureau or a solicitor can advise you on how to protect your child. They will explain how contact between your child and a violent partner can be restricted.
These groups will explain that, under the Family Law Act 1996, you can apply for an order that will protect you from threats or violence (this is called a ?non-molestation order?).
Your home and your rights
You can apply for an order that will protect your right to live safely in your family home (this is called an ?occupation order?). If granted, it would order your abuser to move out of the house, and forbid him even to enter it.

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Mummiehunnie · 03/10/2010 02:30

have a good sleep x i would suggest sharing your other thread with the others on here for them to see the whole picture x

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