Redundancy while off sick(63 Posts)
I've been off sick with work related stress for 6 months and have had a letter telling me that there are going to be redundancies at work. There are 20 of us and the council are cutting us down to 14. We have all got to apply for our jobs and 14 of us will be appointed. I've been given a skills matching form to fill in. I'm off sick, can they make me redundant? What happens if I'm not well enough to go back to work if I'm appointed? Can I stay off sick? Thanks
can i be made redundant when sick even if i have a excellent work record until now.this is my 1st time i have been off sick for more than a day or 2 in my life, I have been off now for about 8 weeks and could be off for a couple more at most. I have been asked to attend a meeting as the company has resurrected since i have been off work.
Could only happen in the public sector Sorry if that sounds harsh.
And I know it's only a minority etc but still OP wouldn't last 5 mins in the private sectir
From this thread - she's in UNISON, so may be a teaching assistant (as teachers are normally in the various teachers' unions).
I really hope my kids never have a teacher even marginally as crap as you sound, op
From another thread which is know is bad form but couldn't help myself:
"why is he so late home. I teach secondary adn have a 20 minute drive plus 2 kids to pick up and I'm home for 4 "
So she is a teacher (and fwiw I don't know any teacher who is home before 5).
If the points are awarded for:
then I'm sure you will have the most points and keep your job, if not I'd pray for a miraculous recovery and start job hunting. Or seek out a solicitor specialising in unfair dipmissial as I'm sure this is what you'll argue
If this is real, you need to consider applying for voluntary redundancy. You have been off six months, so will be about to move down to half-pay. You will only get six-months on half-pay. Your employer will be moving to dismiss you on health grounds during this time. I would be very surprised if they haven't already considered this. I would also be surprised if there wasn't a weighting for sickness absence on the redundancy procedure. Having more experience and qualifications is not guaranteed to gain you the most points. There may well also be a weighting for performance appraisals. Given your attitude towards your boss and your job, it is fairly likely they will attempt to use redundancy to get rid of you.
What are your current plans for returning to work?
as a criterion not as a criteria..
I would be surprised if the OP hasnt been told what criteria will be used to select people, if she's had to fill in a skills match form and has been told everyone will have to apply for their jobs.
OP if you genuinely haven't been told whether attendance will be used as a criteria, then get your union rep to ask. In answer to your question about can you stay off sick if you get appointed to one of the roles, then yes you can.
I agree with others that redundancy or no redundancy, you would have been dismissed for capability by now in many many organisations.
The OP does not say that she is a teacher, just that she works in public services.
But her attitude still stinks of blatantly exploiting the situation.
I cannot believe the OPs sense of entitlement - I work in HR in the private sector and her poor attitude would be strongly weighted in our redundancy criteria to ensure she stopped taking the mick.
If you can't cope with your job get a new one and if you really are a teacher imparting knowledge to a future generation I am flabbergasted that this was too stressful for yet you were able to complete studies for your own betterment. Really rather selfish.
I have 2 people off with long term stress in my business now and we are doing everything we can to support a return to work but they are showing a clear desire to make it work- you op are not.
In answer to you question though yes you can be made redundant and if you were in
my business you would be top of the list to go.
Ffs - this is why it needs to be made easier to sack people. And WE are all paying your salary while you swan about and finish your degree? Christ almighty...
"Never understood being off with stress, if you can't cope with your job you leave and get a different job, well that what happens in the private sector"
Hang on a sec. Not everyOne off with stress is taking the Mick. While the OP here does appear to have a very entitled stance, and this particular case seems far fetched, there are genuine cases! You can't just leave a job and get another when you suffer from stress!
In a recent round of redundancies at my work, absence was one of the criteria (criterion?) taken into account.
And as the parent of a child whose maths teacher was off for most of his Higher year, I agree with others who say that you should look for something more suitable.
My ds teacher last year managed to be off sick for three years, she would come in for 2 weeks at the beginning of term then not be seen again for the next year. Really upset my ds at the time having stand in teachers. She finally resigned this year so can't screw up any more kids education.
Never understood being off with stress, if you can't cope with your job you leave and get a different job, well that what happens in the private sector. Is it easier to take the mickey in the public sector?
I can't believe this thread is real. The sense of entitlement astounds me. I am frankly gobsmacked. But the fact so many posters are answering sensibly indicates this type of situation is pretty common.
I would be dismissing you on grounds of capability. In my Co your sick pay would have expired and unless I had occ health advice saying you were fit to return soon you would be going.
Businesses are not a charity.
So, you were off work with work related stress for 3 months because you couldn't cope with your job.
Your boss arranged it so you had less responsibility for the same money , you tied this for one day and went off sick again because you wanted the job and all the responsibility you couldn't cope with...?
You managed to complete your degree whilst off sick?
Basically, you may be the most "qualified" but if you can't do the job why should they pay you to do nothing and make someone else redundant?
No one wants to lose their job but you are the one least able to do their job so it doesn't look good.
Also, the additional degree won't add anything, as in a state school it is QTS that counts and you appear not to have been at work for long enough since acquiring it for you to be able to demonstrate that it has made any difference to your performance.
As it is reapplication for the posts, then you need to look at the form as a job application from scratch, your belief that you are in particular more experienced will be scrutinised. This is not a synonym for "longer in post", so it is type and extent of experience and how it is relevant to the current job description that counts. And indeed recent experience may well be the most valued.
Well if it's teaching then your experience definitely won't save you on its own. More recently qualified teachers can be said to bring more up to date knowledge of methods and techniques.
Are you actually sick now OP or do you just not want to work with your boss anymore?
Oh and just to confirm, from my own experience while being in a genuine situation of illegality by my former employer that I had to take legal action on, sickness doesn't protect you from redundancy. Being off sick won't help your situation and may complicate it in fact because if you are selected for redundancy, you won't be available for interviews regarding mitigation of the redundancy e.g. interviews for alternative roles.
Unfortunately, for the skeptics on this thread, the OP being off for six months on full pay wouldn't be unusual at all in the public sector.
I worked in a university and staff were entitled to six months' sick leave on full pay and six months' half-pay, so effectively 9 months' full pay. There were an unusual number of people off sick with stress. A couple of them even came back for a few weeks to give a new arrangement a try and then went off sick again.
For the OP, you need to find out what the selection criteria for the redundancy process is. It's pretty common for employers, in both private and public sectors, to manage the selection criteria precisely so they can get rid of difficult employees. With your attitude, you shouldn't be too surprised if your employer takes this approach and uses attendance record as the basis for the selection.
Either way, if you hate your job and your boss that much, you'd be better off finding a new job rather than sulking over what happened in the past.
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