Sheeping With The Enemy - in a brand new bed? Discuss the trials and tribulations of the Archers

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PseudoBadger Tue 18-Feb-14 20:11:28

Just don't be so careless with your watch Helen

nauticant Tue 18-Feb-14 20:13:37

Ooh, nice title.

HumphreyCobbler Tue 18-Feb-14 20:17:22

am listening now

BonaDea Tue 18-Feb-14 20:19:22

Helen's starting to really annoy me with her simpering.

Burma Tue 18-Feb-14 20:20:13

Man I hate Rob grrrrrr..... but Helen, well they deserve each other really!

HumphreyCobbler Tue 18-Feb-14 20:21:33

I would be annoyed as hell by the childish bleurghhing

Bluestocking Tue 18-Feb-14 20:22:38

Hello, you two!
I loved Clarrie's big tease of Brian and Jennydarling.

TheRaniOfYawn Tue 18-Feb-14 20:23:52

I've started listening again after giving up when it went horribly wrong with Ambridge Extra. Does that still exist?

Would it help if we summarised all of that git's awful behaviour?

1) Cheating on his wife
2) Cheating on his g/friend with his wife
3) Moving in his girlfriend as soon as his wife has left (status of relationship unknown)
4) Being creepy re wearing of watch
5) Saying was in Essex and had to stay over night when wife says was elsewhere. Not telling girlfriend had seen wife.
6) Isolating girlfriend from family ?provoking that row with Tony that precipitated Helen moving out of ?Bridge Farm?
7) Refusing to eat food cooked for him when menu was described
8) ?Using suicide as an excuse when he KNOWS it's a triggering issue for girlfriend
9) Encouraging dependence of girlfriend's fatherless child on him
10) Selection of girlfriend in the first place - he's married and starts shagging the formerly anorexic, single mum who lives with her parents and has a dead brother AND (by suicide) dead lover. She practically has 'vulnerable' tattooed on her forehead....

What else has he done?

PseudoBadger Tue 18-Feb-14 20:25:37

11) where was he on valentines day?!

Selks Tue 18-Feb-14 20:30:06

Love the thread title!

Panzee Tue 18-Feb-14 20:31:18

I can't believe an Archers thread moves so fast!

12) who was he with on Valentines day?

13) how does he have the energy?

grin

ComposHat Tue 18-Feb-14 20:44:59

I think Ambridge Extra (or Hollioaks Archers) may be a summer thing.

I hope they let it die a death cos it was shite.

Waswondering Tue 18-Feb-14 20:48:25

Also loved Clarrie/jenny, and the Eton chat .....

(Marking place? Me?! smile)

CuttedUpPear Tue 18-Feb-14 20:51:48

Clocking in

I am so glad to see these threads moving so quickly.
I remember the old days a couple of years ago when you had to wait days for someone to pick up a thread.

Now there are live programme listening moments on the threads, plenty of them!

Am happy smile

ComposHat Tue 18-Feb-14 21:02:17

I always forget Jennydarling's own class position isn't what she makes out.

Daughter of a cockney sparra and a pisshead pub landlord.

northender Tue 18-Feb-14 21:06:17

Marking my spot.

northender Tue 18-Feb-14 21:06:17

Marking my spot.

pasbeaucoupdegendarme Tue 18-Feb-14 21:06:25

How does a bloke get to be like Rob??? (I realise this is a silly question, in many ways, and that men like Rob do exist which is terrifying.)

ZeroSomeGameThingy Tue 18-Feb-14 21:18:10

I've been wondering if Rob plans his every move or whether he's in thrall to some irresistible urge to ruin other people's lives.

( thanks btw)

GypsyFloss Tue 18-Feb-14 21:44:06

What's the betting that Rob gets offered and eats tuna another time and when Helen questions it he will deny all knowledge of his huge tuna aversion.

Love these threads too. It has made listening much more enjoyable and I also find that I make an effort to listen as much as I can so I can keep up with the thread.

JollyGolightly Tue 18-Feb-14 21:49:03

Zero I am beginning to think that Rob dumped Hellin on purpose so he could win her back again just to destroy her, all very Liasons Dangereuses.

I'm worried about Henry.

Agree that it was good to hear Tony enthused about bailing out the damp sheep. I enjoyed the topical insert of flooded pub and farming catastrophe, it felt right that they devoted half the episode to it rather than the cursory 30 seconds afforded to other national events.

TheOriginalSteamingNit Tue 18-Feb-14 22:07:26

I couldn't listen to it and I can't tomorrow; what is all this about pasta? please?!

Gigondas Tue 18-Feb-14 22:07:33

Marking spot but I agree jolly , he clearly doesn't give a toss about cheating on Jess.

orangina Tue 18-Feb-14 22:16:34

He is such a gigantic arse! Am listening to the podcast as I type.....

Minimammoth Tue 18-Feb-14 22:18:45

Marking place. Clearly Jess is not under the patio.......yet.
Can we have a scenarios list for Hellrobjess.
J under patio
R misogynist, will go back to J. H will crumble
H will become a tower of strength to defend Henry
R will kidnap Henry for Jess.
R and H happy ever after with Peggoi's blessing.
Double pregnancy for J and H.

AllMimsyWereTheBorogroves Tue 18-Feb-14 22:19:32

Helen described what she was cooking - he made no demur - when he came in he had a drama llama attack - can that be tuna? I can't stand the smell and taste of tuna! - Helen is aghast, points out she mentioned the tuna - he says he can't have heard that bit - she is apologetic and offers to make him an omelette - they eat tagliatelle (which she made herself!) with an arrabbiata sauce instead and once again all is well - until the next time.

Is this gaslighting?

WhatSheSaid Tue 18-Feb-14 22:19:34

Marking place

AllMimsyWereTheBorogroves Tue 18-Feb-14 22:20:41

PS Lovely thread title!

JollyGolightly Tue 18-Feb-14 22:23:47

A masterclass in gaslighting.

I could have sworn they said penne arrabiata, the lovingly hand-stroked tagliatelle having been consigned to the dustbin, besmirched by fishy sauce.

PseudoBadger Tue 18-Feb-14 22:25:48

Perfect gaslighting.

But who makes tagliatelle? I'm sure I'm aghast enough for all my fellow low carbing Archers fans grin

Martorana Tue 18-Feb-14 22:28:56

I must have led a very sheltered life- I really didn't know people did things like the pasta incident. Bizarre!

Burma Tue 18-Feb-14 22:31:34

He wasn't really listening though was he when she ran through the list of ingredients? not that I want to let him off the hook or anything!

I just want it over and for her to be back in the bosom of Pat and Tony.

GypsyFloss Tue 18-Feb-14 22:36:34

I thought he sounded quite hesitant when she listed their dinner on the phone so I am prepared to accept that he might indeed not like tuna . However the polite thing would have been to explain that he really appreciated her cooking for him but he didn't like tuna etc etc . Instead he threw a childish hissy fit that, had it happened in my kitchen , would have had said child sent to their room. What a twunt.

ZeroSomeGameThingy Tue 18-Feb-14 22:37:27

Yes I thought the pasta had changed. I wanted to weep for Helen; the thought of her spending the afternoon anticipating and evening lovingly hand making her perfect supper.

Heartbreaking. And very clever to make us feel sorry for someone so generally unappealing.

TemperamentalAroundCorvids Tue 18-Feb-14 22:39:25

It is not true gaslighting, IMHO. He admitted he hadn't been listening, rather than denying she had told him in the first place.

PseudoBadger Tue 18-Feb-14 22:47:21

But he has form, he did it to Jess.

PseudoBadger Tue 18-Feb-14 22:48:17

Anyway, the reply should be "well I did tell you, so what are you cooking yourself instead? Well you should've listened then"

CuttedUpPear Tue 18-Feb-14 22:54:07

Rob has a fish problem.

First the salmon.
Now the tuna.

Helen was lucky not to have had it flung to the floor.
<wonders if the carpet still smells from the last fish related strop>

TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 18-Feb-14 22:58:06

Marking place
Am loving it

PseudoBadger Tue 18-Feb-14 22:59:50

You're right, he does have a fish problem!

Poor Helen, she didn't do it on porpoise. She had to replaice the dinner sad

Martorana Tue 18-Feb-14 22:59:55

Salmon?

GypsyFloss Tue 18-Feb-14 23:02:00

Ah Pseudo you're codding me .

SomethingOnce Tue 18-Feb-14 23:03:01

Double pregnancy for J and H.

Ooh, this please!

[mean]

PseudoBadger Tue 18-Feb-14 23:04:34

Poor Helen feels gillty now. She's a dab hand at pasta making when she gets the opportunaty. I think this relationship could get a shoal lot worse.

CuttedUpPear Tue 18-Feb-14 23:08:06

Rob chucked Jess's dressed salmon on the floor in a stroppy attempt to ruin her housewarming party not that long ago.

PseudoBadger Tue 18-Feb-14 23:08:23

I think any pregnancy aspect to this SL would be a mistake, and would dilute its impact.

Benzalkonium Tue 18-Feb-14 23:08:59

Do tony and pat not have spare land? Since they selt their herd? I thought tom was still planning How to plant it. Why didn't David ask them?

CarolineKnappShappey Tue 18-Feb-14 23:13:07

Maybe he's a merman?

PseudoBadger Tue 18-Feb-14 23:18:50

That would be Brill grin

ComposHat Tue 18-Feb-14 23:41:38

Yes fish seems to be a problem for him. Perhaps Hellin or Jess will have their revenge on him by locking him in a fish smokehouse.

how can anybody dislike tuna??? shock

TemperamentalAroundCorvids Wed 19-Feb-14 00:00:07

T & P's land is organic though. I suppose that might make a difference?

My husband doesn't like tuna. So like normal people he tells me this before I cook when I tell him what is planned. He doesn't wait till I've made it and then just about fake throwing up to destroy my self esteem.......

I think pregnancy should play a role. In these RL awful scenarios pregnancy plays a major role. Helen is the mother of a what is he? 3yr old? She's my age - mid thirties. Her biological clock is ticking loudly and I'm betting she wants another baby. It's going to come up.

BiscuitMillionaire Wed 19-Feb-14 00:10:20

Loving it! When Rob was explaining how it was all because Jess was suicidal, I was fairly shouting at the radio LTB.

Eastpoint Wed 19-Feb-14 01:06:41

I was just cringing when Helen spoke to Rob, he's so horrible & smarmy. Ugh!

Dirtybanana Wed 19-Feb-14 03:06:26

I've started listening again thanks to these threads. grin

Although I dislike Helinn's character, I'm hoping she can see the light and move back to Bridge farm, and Rob gets his comeuppance in some way or other...and please scriptwriters, I hope there isn't going to be another "baby cheesus" on the way soon.

Simon Pemberton, Cameron Fraser, Simon Gerard and now Rob...there's been a fair few shitty/con men over the years. The only nasty female characters have been Hazel Wooley and the lady who tried to pinch Susan's Neil off her when she was in prison.

Ladyflip Wed 19-Feb-14 07:37:31

I loathe tinned tuna. but if it's the very expensive fresh stuff I love it

I haven't had the pm spoiler from the last thread, please could someone send it to me?

It was a perfect example of how to be a shit, chapter 2, by Rob. I still can't abide Hellin though.

Theas18 Wed 19-Feb-14 07:44:01

Puttanesca (that was the tuna dish) + " tarts pasta"

Snorkingly appropriate, that I'm sure was deliberate.

So text book abuser. Much as I hate Hellqueen ..... LTB!

GypsyFloss Wed 19-Feb-14 07:44:59

I reckon Pseudo that Rob is a dab hand at being a controlling arsehole. I'd quite like to stick a pike in his eye but I suspect Helen, the old trout, would still love him.

harrietspy Wed 19-Feb-14 07:56:53

I think northernlurker's right. I think she's going to get pregnant and that's going to make it harder for her to leave even when she begins to realise quite how horrendous he is.

His comical blurghing and retching all over the kitchen was so infuriatingly childish, but if he carries on like that it's going to blow his softly-softly mind game.

Ghoulishly brilliant.

Panzee Wed 19-Feb-14 08:08:54

Jess dropped the salmon didn't she? Rob wasn't in the room.

There are few things that give me the rage more than fake wretching

Minimammoth Wed 19-Feb-14 08:25:45

Licks end of pencil, ok, adding another to scenario list.
Helen and Jess hit it off big time, and kick Rob out feed him to the pigs

ExcuseTypos Wed 19-Feb-14 08:31:48

Marking my place for later

OldBeanbagz Wed 19-Feb-14 08:40:00

He wasn't really listening though was he when she ran through the list of ingredients?

He was in the middle of shagging someone else perhaps?

PseudoBadger Wed 19-Feb-14 08:43:00

"He wasn't really listening though was he when she ran through the list of ingredients?"

That's not Helen's problem is it? She told him. Anyway he probably does like tuna but had to sacrifice his love for it to teach her a lesson.

Toomuchtea Wed 19-Feb-14 08:44:35

Marking plaice too.

The tuna episode was amazing, particularly the way Helen made him something else instead of asking him to list out everything he couldn't eat so they could avoid such dramas in future.

It is EA behaviour, because generally if you have that much of an aversion to something you make darn sure who ever you're living with knows all about it (she whom broccoli has a very unfortunate affect on knows whereof she speaks).

Martorana Wed 19-Feb-14 08:46:14

Not surprised he gagged at a Puttanesca!

He's probably a Mumsnetter- people are always having extreme physical reactions to things on here in a way that I have never, ever seen in real life...........grin

If a person is a bit obsessive - like Helen - then you can bet she went to bed last night thinking 'Rob CHOSE ME and I can't even make something he likes for supper...'

HumphreyCobbler Wed 19-Feb-14 08:48:43

I thought he hesitated when she told him what was on the menu, thus indicating he was planning to spoil it all

ZeroSomeGameThingy Wed 19-Feb-14 09:06:17

The Today programme is talking about the weather inserts in TA right now.

First critic says doesn't reflect RL.

Second says instructive. But that audiences are mostly interested in the emotion in a soap and TA didn't sufficiently reflect that.

Ho hum. Think they were floundering...

But Rob's tone did change when he heard Helen''s menu plan. Then he went back to sweetness as he said goodbye.

Halsall Wed 19-Feb-14 09:07:16

I thought that too, Humphrey. It's amazing how quickly he's started being actively EA.....pretty much the moment she moved in. Men like that must be able to detect the signs that someone's a likely candidate and immediately plan their strategy - it's horrifying.

We'll end up feeling sorry for the ghastly Hellin because of course no-one should be in that awful situation.....I still despise her, though, for her unspeakable behaviour to her family and general loathesomeness.

Burma Wed 19-Feb-14 09:15:20

But what is the end plan for men like that? Why does he want to control her so much? He gives me the utter creeps but is that only because we've heard what he was like with Jess behind closed doors? Would we know from the outside as it were?

MrsCampbellBlack Wed 19-Feb-14 09:20:21

I don't think there is going to be any more Ambridge Extra as R4extra is concentrating on programming existing stuff not spending its ��� on new stuff. I think I read that on the archers fb page or I maybe imagined it.

I am loving Rob and Helen - especially as its quite hard to feel any sympathy at all for her. I thought it was interesting she didn't tell Kirsty that Jess had been - because she knew what she'd say.

HumphreyCobbler Wed 19-Feb-14 09:21:26

Burma it never ceases to amaze me that there are so many people with so much negative energy out there, willing to spend time and thought into making other people miserable. It must feed into their sense of power, need for control or something else the rest of us don't get.

Burma Wed 19-Feb-14 09:22:58

sad

HumphreyCobbler Wed 19-Feb-14 09:24:03

sorry, I didn't mean to make you sad!

It is strange though

Burma Wed 19-Feb-14 09:26:12

No please don't worry not me sad, just sad that such people do exist. I just don't understand why it would fulfill anyone to make someone else so utterly miserable.

HumphreyCobbler Wed 19-Feb-14 09:27:14

but nonetheless, I am guilty of schadenfreude re Helen, she is SO annoying <shallow>

ComposHat Wed 19-Feb-14 09:30:31

Food, along with suicide (which he's already touched on) is one of Hellin's trigger issues isn't it? He's a malevolent genius.

It is difficult to feel any sympathy for Hellin as Rob is doing what she has been doing for years to her own family for years: using the fear of her reaction as a way of controlling their behaviour. Pat and Tony seem to bend to her every whim for fear of upsetting her.

HumphreyCobbler Wed 19-Feb-14 09:33:53

malevolent is a great word

Theas18 Wed 19-Feb-14 09:45:08

Gosh yes the combo of food and suicide almost in consecutive episodes. Malevolent is the right word.

The lovingly made tagliatelle were binned with the "tarts sauce " and the had bought penne with arrabiatta ... Complete food rejection.

Gawd knows what he's motivation is, I can't ( fortunately) even get near the mental processes that go on in people like this, but every move is calculated.

Chilling and very well scripted, I think this is SATTC . Is it Mr ceri's writing?

ppeatfruit Wed 19-Feb-14 09:45:56

Hello all!! i've been away from computers and had the flu but still listened to MOST of TA how did the confrontation between Jess and Hellin finish?

WRF to EA I reckon it's inherited from your parents If it's what their parents did to them unless they're aware that it's not the right way to bring up the DCs then they carry on with the underhand controlling behaviour.

Enough with the fishy jokes!! Pleese Oh and congrats on the new thread BTW.

yy composhat i was thinking that helen has her very own emotional abuse strategies too, so rob may have met his match. though she is the more vulnerable of course so will inevitably come off the loser

sorry to hear you've been ill ppeatfruit

i htink there will be different motivations for different abusive people, but ultimately it is about control - of their environment, comfort, life, how they appear to other people etc - the people closest to them are not real people with feelings but satellites in their orbit who exist to serve their needs (whatever they may be) and any signs of independence must be quashed - the fear of things being out of their control trumps any misery in those around them

i guess there must also be others who actively and sadistically enjoy the misery of other people which presumably also relates to control issues

ZeroSomeGameThingy Wed 19-Feb-14 09:59:16

ppeatfruit!smile Wondered if the net had swallowed you up.

We didn't actually hear the end of the J and H conversation - but clearly whatever Jess said wasn't enough to convince Helen that Rob should never be believed.

yes we don't know what happened to jess afterwards. helen said she seemed drunk, and it wasn't made clear how jess got there - she said she had come from hampshire so she must have driven, or maybe a train+taxi, though it sounded more impulsive than that. so did helen really let her drive off again under the influence?? (probably)

i suppose helen might have put her up for the night and sent her on her way before rob got back

Burma Wed 19-Feb-14 10:30:36

Helen doesn't want to be convinced though does she? So eager to believe that Rob is her knight in shining armour.

ppeatfruit Wed 19-Feb-14 10:35:19

Thanks grin So i didn't miss how it finished ,that's strange in itself isn't it? Or the SWs are trying to control us now grin

HumphreyCobbler Wed 19-Feb-14 10:36:38

Also Helen has really painted herself into a corner by being so dismissive of any fears that she is moving too quickly etc. How could she back down so soon, she would be admitting her mum was right all along?

Songbird Wed 19-Feb-14 10:48:05

Hello! Loving the new thread title.

Yes, he definitely paused when she said what they were eating, then enthusiastically said ‘sounds absolutely delicious’ or some equally over-the-top statement. I think if he just ‘wasn’t listening properly’ there would have been more ‘I’m busy’ ‘someone’s in the office’ type noises, or he just would have said ‘sorry, I didn’t catch that, what are we having? Tuna? Oh sorry darling tuna makes me wretch like a pathetic child’ or similar.

I would still call it gaslighting I think. You can tell if someone’s not listening properly, so he basically did lie about the way the conversation went, so yeah, gaslightingesque, if you will.

Ruth’s bleating (baboom!) about the poor cooped up sheep was extremely annoying. Rather clumsily done I thought. And I wondered where all this with J’lene’s outfits was going.

Burma Wed 19-Feb-14 10:49:59

There were lots of cows mooing in the background

Ruth makes me demented

ZeroSomeGameThingy Wed 19-Feb-14 11:11:00

It did, for a second, seem as if Jolene might have been called to the great line-dance in the sky...

stilllearnin Wed 19-Feb-14 11:15:45

14) He blamed Hellin for thinking he had been at it with Jess and conveniently forgot that he had lied to her about where he'd been.

The EA will get much more obvious yet - it won't be clear to a lot of listeners so far. It's actually being done really well though I think - because its giving that nagging feeling that something isn't right without quite revealing how manipulative he is. I've been involved with victims of this a few times (professionally, thank god) and it is honestly incredible the lengths people go to. The food trigger was very clever - what's next? Has to be parenting - almost all mums worry they're getting it wrong.

PS I have dropped the idea that Iain is Henry's dad - there's been no hint all this time. Was Jazzer around then?!!! (just joking! - although he'd be good for Hell)

Halsall Wed 19-Feb-14 11:16:35

The other thing I noticed was the self-abasing way Hellin claimed not to be able to pronounce the name of the pasta dish. It's not difficult.....and Hellin's supposed to be well-educated, isn't she? (can't recall, but I assume she went to university). She could pronounce tagliatelle, after all - which she also made from scratch!

In fact, surely she advises customers in the shop about how to use their organic veg? Seems as though she's slipping worryingly quickly into the dreaded 'I'm so stupid but you know EVERYTHING, Rob, I'll defer to you' mode.

AllMimsyWereTheBorogroves Wed 19-Feb-14 11:49:09

In view of Rob's fishy behaviour, heaven help Helen if she ever suggests a holiday in Sardinia!

Re drunk driving - Helen has form in that area. Remember she insisted on driving back from Borchester a few years ago when she had been drinking and she ran over Mike and made Tom take the blame.

nauticant Wed 19-Feb-14 12:01:42

Also Helen has really painted herself into a corner by being so dismissive of any fears that she is moving too quickly etc. How could she back down so soon, she would be admitting her mum was right all along?

Good work HumphreyCobbler. To me this is why Rob is ramping up the EA so rapidly, she's made herself suddenly vulnerable by the fact that she has to stay.

TheRaniOfYawn Wed 19-Feb-14 12:04:37

My sister has a pattern of relationships with abusive men but in her case they are all horribly damaged and unhappy as well. And by horribly damaged I mean that the war veteran with PTSD who spent his childhood in care was the one who had had the least unpleasant experiences. Not that it makes abusive behaviour ok, just a lot more complicated.

JessieMcJessie Wed 19-Feb-14 12:25:47

I am positive that he heard her say tuna on the phone- why? Because he walked in and commented on the smell, but cooking tuna doesn't have a distinctive smell. (neither the warming up of tinned -admittedly bleurgh-nor the searing of fresh). He planned it all along. There was a definite pause on the phone- that was him thinking "how can I use this to abuse her?"

WipsGlitter Wed 19-Feb-14 12:55:18

He head her say tuna but then used it to make her feel small and weak. It's a very well done storyline!!

SomethingOnce Wed 19-Feb-14 14:42:14

I might've missed something, but why is Kenton being such a dick about Jolene's costumes?

plot device to get them into the cellar so they could be ruined by floodwater they were taking up too much room in the wardrobe

ZeroSomeGameThingy Wed 19-Feb-14 14:50:48

It could be because he's worried about his mother. Or because Jolene's disreputable past unsettles him. Or it may be that the honeymoon period is well and truly over and - having discovered that he and Jolene have nothing in common, their marriage is about to go rapidly downhill. I hope it's the first.

ExcuseTypos Wed 19-Feb-14 14:52:20

Kenton thinks Jolene is too old to wear them in public. He got rather angsty when she said she might wear them on stage.

ExcuseTypos Wed 19-Feb-14 14:53:14

Oh yes, he was also moaning about the lack of wardrobe space.

OddFodd Wed 19-Feb-14 16:14:29

Is it trying to (hamfistedly) to show the difference between 'normal' and EA relationships (although K is being a bit of a dick about it)?

Someone turned up unexpectedly today so I missed the lunchtime repeat. I wanted to listen to HellinRob's phone conversation again. Although I listen in the evenings, it's 'wind down' to bedtime here which in our house, is anything but!

PseudoBadger Wed 19-Feb-14 16:16:27

I did laugh the other day when Jolene asked Kenton did he not think she could pull the outfits off? And he said it was pulling them on he was worried about grin

Panzee Wed 19-Feb-14 17:23:33

I assumed it was something to do with Lizzie's music festival.

ComposHat Wed 19-Feb-14 17:55:22

Yes. Expect Eddie and Jolene to do a fuet of islands in the stream or a gram parsons/emmylou Harris number

bigbadbarry Wed 19-Feb-14 18:20:28

Marking place in new thread. Lovely title smile

GypsyFloss Wed 19-Feb-14 18:30:26

I was at DV training this morning and by god Rob ticks so many of the boxes. If this doesn't turn nasty I'll eat my hat.

here's Keri blogging about the topical inserts

The flooded cellar at the Bull is a coincidence hmm

CuttedUpPear Wed 19-Feb-14 19:07:14

It's not like Jolene to be so negative and grumpy. She's normally very laid back!

ZeroSomeGameThingy Wed 19-Feb-14 19:11:28

Yes, but it's all her youth in those cases...

SomethingOnce Wed 19-Feb-14 19:14:36

I think Kenton caused the flood to ruin the costumes!

Bastard!

ComposHat Wed 19-Feb-14 19:14:49

Normally yes. But I lost patience when Sid the homophobe died. Someone woild say something nondescript like 'I'm to have a shite' and she'd pipe up with 'oh Sid used to love having a shite' in a wistful voice.
That was probably more to do with me hating Sid.

ZeroSomeGameThingy Wed 19-Feb-14 19:15:34

Oh no!sad

WhatSheSaid Wed 19-Feb-14 19:15:38

I was just thinking, virtually the entire episode is topical insert - flooding at the Bull and the Tony/David/Ruth/Pat rescue mission. They must have got rid of lots of stuff that was meant to be in this episode. Haven't read Keri's blog yet though.

harrietspy Wed 19-Feb-14 19:20:23

grin at the continuity announcer. The shower scene can still make me shudder.

Which makes me think about the most memorable moments in TA. It's probably been done before... But I'm thinking shower scene, NIIIIIGGGEEEELLLLL, the night when Ruaridh (?) was born and Jenny found out ... What am I missing?

TheRaniOfYawn Wed 19-Feb-14 19:36:28

When John died. I was writing an essay and didn't find out until after the omnibus.

cheminotte Wed 19-Feb-14 19:38:17

marking my place on new thread - still behind so can't read yet.

GypsyFloss Wed 19-Feb-14 19:40:08

Definitely when John died and poor old Nigel.

I didn't finish listening tonight, it was beyond dull and my dislike for Ruth is overwhelming grin

Was Helen moonlighting as the wedding dress shop owner?

Crikeyblimey Wed 19-Feb-14 19:42:40

Marvellous - new sparkly thread smile

ZeroSomeGameThingy Wed 19-Feb-14 19:46:12

For me

(Sid's first wife) Polly's death.

John. That was dreadful.

Shula on the phone to Mark as his car crashed. It was a stressful period at work for me, I was in the middle of breaking up with someone and very, very fragile and tense. It wasn't clear that Mark had died until the next episode. Once it was - I cried all week.

Ed and Emma's incredibly delicate and mature reconciliation. I cried with joy over that.blush

ExcuseTypos Wed 19-Feb-14 19:56:37

I also thought Helen was the bridal shop lady. I was most confused grin

I found tonight's quite frankly, annoying. We've all had enough of water, water and more water in rl. I don't want to hear about it on TA too!

harrietspy Wed 19-Feb-14 19:58:10

I was confused by bridal shop lady too.

How could I forget about John and Mark?

nauticant Wed 19-Feb-14 20:02:54

John and Mark? Was that before Adam and Ian (or is it Steve)?

harrietspy Wed 19-Feb-14 20:10:01

Not a couple. Sorry for the confusion. John died under tractor and in a completely unrelated incident and a different time, Mark (Shula's first husband) died in a car crash. Didn't that involve Caroline on a horse! too?

harrietspy Wed 19-Feb-14 20:10:41

*horse, too. Errant exclamation mark!

ZeroSomeGameThingy Wed 19-Feb-14 20:18:36

Yup, the pushy bridal designer confused me too. I do hope the new editor will schedule a meeting with the casting director - really quite soon. Not only do they all sound the same, they almost all sound too smooth. It's only context that enables me to tell Adam and Kenton apart, or Mike and Neil sometimes.

nennypops Wed 19-Feb-14 20:25:39

Why was Jolene whinging on so much about the money lost as a result of the flood? Surely they'd be insured?

JollyGolightly Wed 19-Feb-14 21:17:19

Are vendors of wedding dresses really that pushy IRL? I found that scene clunky and embarrassing, but at least if she's spending all that on the dress they'll have to continue with the wedding at Bridge Farm and relinquish the Giltedge Hall plan.

SomethingOnce Wed 19-Feb-14 21:46:34

Clunky and embarrassing pretty much defines the Archers these days.

nennypops Wed 19-Feb-14 23:04:26

I do find it pretty unlikely that Kirsty would fall for all that sales talk. She's much more the sort of person who would trawl the vintage shops and find something like a 20s evening dress which would turn out to be just perfect and cost under £100.

CuttedUpPear Thu 20-Feb-14 00:50:09

Oh I can never tell Moike and Neil apart.
And I thought the dress shop woman was Helen at first as well.

And I agree - the bridal credit card debt is so unlike Kirsty. Are we to suppose she has had a personality transplant? Such weak storyline.

SomethingOnce Thu 20-Feb-14 02:37:40

Funny that they have different characters who sound so similar, yet couldn't manage a seamless Tony replacement.

ZeroSomeGameThingy Thu 20-Feb-14 02:58:48

Strangely, although the previous actor who played Tony was ill himself, I had often felt that his voice was almost too youthful for the part.

Although it was hard to adjust to a new actor I do actually think this voice is more realistic. He sounds old! So I feel sorrier for Tony now because his miserableness seems more justifiable.

(And I have to disagree about the clunkiness. There are still moments of that but on the whole I'd say TA has suddenly become sharper and wittier than I've ever known it to be.)

We haven't heard will's reaction to the puppy going home and I wondered whether that had even sacrificed to floods. Though Ilof course there could be something new completely that we're missing for endless ruth

nauticant Thu 20-Feb-14 08:22:22

Are we to suppose she has had a personality transplant?

If some women didn't have personality transplants when planning their weddings where would AIBU be?

PseudoBadger Thu 20-Feb-14 08:59:46

SomethingOnce clunky and embarrassing until about 6 weeks ago, much improved now (by popular opinion).

SomethingOnce Thu 20-Feb-14 12:18:51

Well, I have unpopular opinion then grin

I've been listening a very long time and I liked it more in the 80s. I still miss Nelson Gabriel, and find pretty much everyone, except the glorious bounder that is Brian, fairly annoying.

Shallishanti Thu 20-Feb-14 12:58:41

oh yes, I loved Nelson- he had style

ppeatfruit Thu 20-Feb-14 14:22:33

Yes Shalli I also liked the incredible contrast between the urbane Nelson and his 'country bumpkin' father 'me ole pal me ole beauty' Walter!

ComposHat Thu 20-Feb-14 15:28:34

Our cat was named after Walter Gabriel when I was a little un (sadly he only lived a few months before dying of leukemia)

Our current furry darling came with a name (poppy)
or she'd have got an Archers name too. *

*I know that is our Wyllyerm's daughter's name but the feline poppy predates the fictional infant.

ComposHat Thu 20-Feb-14 15:32:36

Our cat was named after Walter Gabriel when I was a little un (sadly he only lived a few months before dying of leukemia)

Our current furry darling came with a name (poppy)
or she'd have got an Archers name too. *

*I know that is our Wyllyerm's daughter's name but the feline poppy predates the fictional infant.

cheminotte Thu 20-Feb-14 19:11:29

Not usually the dil suggesting the mil moves in!

ZeroSomeGameThingy Thu 20-Feb-14 19:16:11

Think Jill must have had her bags packed already!

cheminotte Thu 20-Feb-14 19:35:57

And thanks for earlier blog link. Saw I can now follow on Twitter too!

stilllearnin Thu 20-Feb-14 22:17:53

Yes caroline was on the horse and went into a coma. Robin (?) was at her bedside saying 'I should say into thine arms'- I cried and cried. I had to get my mum to listen to the Nigel episode first in case Helen lost the baby or something bad happened to pip! (why on earth was I worried about her?!)

SomethingOnce Thu 20-Feb-14 23:48:51

Pip's fairly bullet-proof unfortunately as the Jude/quad bike incident proved.

SomethingOnce Thu 20-Feb-14 23:51:57

Turns out if you Google 'Pip Archer', 'Pip Archer annoying' is the second suggestion. Not just me then...

ppeatfruit Fri 21-Feb-14 12:16:26

Does anyone else think that Rob set up the whole 'Jess confrontation" thing?

I've just listened again and I reckon he really is a manipulative creep and I actually feel sorry for hell because she sooo wants to be part of a relationship that she's not thinking clearly at all.

ohhhhh

you mean he arranged for her to come, knowing he wouldn't be there (& that's why he wasn't there - nothing to do with a 3rd woman?)

oooooh, you are devious, ppeat grin

(they should sign you up as a SW!)

Must say I am getting very tired of all the fluddy stuff at the expense of almost everything else

I hope next week will be back to normal service (although with all the bits they've had to cut out to accommodate the fluddy stuff, how are they going to manage continuity? Unless they just carry on from the hiatus & reinstate all this week's cut out stuff next week?)

ppeatfruit Fri 21-Feb-14 13:19:06

Yes It was the way Jess said "i'm the idiot aren't I?" As if he'd said come up on Valentine's day.
So he's playing them both for fools (strange that jess would fall for it though because she knows him well hmm).

ppeatfruit Fri 21-Feb-14 13:25:09

TheOneWith I wonder why there was enough room at Brookfield for the rescue sheep and not at Tony and Pat's?

The fluddy stuff is going to eff it all up for a while. You're right grin

Songbird Fri 21-Feb-14 13:27:03

Non-organic sheep on P&T's land? Heaven forfend!

PrincessFiorimonde Fri 21-Feb-14 14:13:44

Just found this shiny new thread; thanks, Pseudo. Also thanks for all the fishy jokes earlier!

ZeroSomeGameThingy Fri 21-Feb-14 14:20:39

No-one got "floundering".......sadgrin

I am looking forward to pat and tom's reactions to Tony's cow buying

GypsyFloss Fri 21-Feb-14 17:04:11

I think Tony is skating on thin ice with his surprise purchase grin

BasketzatDawn Fri 21-Feb-14 18:39:50

If the poor homeless sheep aren't on Bridge farm land, then why were Pat and Tone involved? Just for the truck maybe. I thought they had lots of space now, no cowssad, and wasn't there a big stooshie over the pigs no longer being organic? Anyway, it was a funny episode, I thought. Them steaming down in convoy to Worcs to rescue the sheep. I liked the topical inserts this time - it must be so awful for those involved, farmers and others IRL, so not overdone IMO.

I think of Kenton as kind of harmless but gormless who does things without thinking - like moving Jolene's outfits. But he's not malicious and he doesn't really understand why Jolene is so angry. I could give her a few hints on sharing life with a man like this. grin What I di wonder is why K is on the sofa - did Fallon take her bed when she moved out? Maybe they do want us to - eventually - see the difference between EvilRob and KindbutAnnoyingKenton. Like others above have discussed.

BasketzatDawn Fri 21-Feb-14 18:47:44

What age is Jolene? is she older than Kenton? Not that age matters ..... smile

I too remember the Mark Hebden death scene. Caroline was then engage to the vicar - Robin - or Wobin as I think of him - somebody, poss Caroline, couldn't say their 'r's very properly! When she awoke from her coma she decided her lack of religion was incompatible with marrying Wobin, and so he left the village. I've somewhat lost track of all the men Caroline has had in her life/bed. She reminds me of one of those women IRL who can't cope without a man in her life/bed. Her voice annoys me so maybe I am biased.

CuttedUpPear Fri 21-Feb-14 19:00:58

The announcer just said : "An unexpected delivery at Blossom Hill Cottage"

shock shock shock

What could it be??!!!

HumphreyCobbler Fri 21-Feb-14 19:03:16

Fallon's bed was covered in wet clothes.

Shallishanti Fri 21-Feb-14 19:03:39

a bed?

CuttedUpPear Fri 21-Feb-14 19:04:37

Oh yes it will be a bed.

I was hoping for OW2.

HumphreyCobbler Fri 21-Feb-14 19:04:54

bet you are right

HumphreyCobbler Fri 21-Feb-14 19:05:44

!

Shallishanti Fri 21-Feb-14 19:05:53

yup!

CuttedUpPear Fri 21-Feb-14 19:06:51

Hellin to Rob: "You've thought of "^everything^"

You're not wrong there.

cheminotte Fri 21-Feb-14 19:07:55

Wouldn't be impressed if dp chose all that without asking my opinion.

Shallishanti Fri 21-Feb-14 19:10:11

cows ahoy grin

HumphreyCobbler Fri 21-Feb-14 19:10:15

oh no, I am feeling sorry for Pat and Tony if they change the venue.

Tony sounds so cheerful about the cows.

CuttedUpPear Fri 21-Feb-14 19:11:55

It's a day for people taking the initiative it seems

puggle01 Fri 21-Feb-14 19:12:36

chemi I was thinking exactly the same! Bed shopping when heavily pregnant involved me lying on the first bed in store until DH found a shortlist of two - I then "tested" the leader whilst he dicked browsed the rest of the shop. Best shopping ever

Shallishanti Fri 21-Feb-14 19:13:13

Tom is so miserable isn't he

HumphreyCobbler Fri 21-Feb-14 19:13:31

good for Tony

CuttedUpPear Fri 21-Feb-14 19:13:36

Ha ha Tom, touche!

ZeroSomeGameThingy Fri 21-Feb-14 19:13:50

"You've got the wrong farm!"

Hee hee heegrin

SomethingOnce Fri 21-Feb-14 19:14:53

Take that, Sausage King of Ambridge!

Shallishanti Fri 21-Feb-14 19:15:44

oooo.....spoilt brat

CarolineKnappShappey Fri 21-Feb-14 19:16:58

Finally Tony shows some backbone.

He just needs to go NC with Peggoi as well.

ZeroSomeGameThingy Fri 21-Feb-14 19:17:43

Hurrah for Tony!

HumphreyCobbler Fri 21-Feb-14 19:17:57

Tom is such a petulant brat.

Anyone else remember his reaction to Rich? Noooo- we can't see him. he might want some of my inheritance!

Rich, who has disappeared again.

toldmywrath Fri 21-Feb-14 19:18:40

Copy & pasted as I posted on the other (old) thread:
How did I not know about the radio addicts on Mumsnet? I'm a fairly recent listener to The Archers (since 2002 ish-when Ruth was thinking about running off with Sam the cowman)It might've been a bit later than 2002. Never missed an episode since then, but I listen to the Omnibus editions on Sunday.
Can't wait to find out what happens with the Helen/Rob/Jess triangle.
I will be catching up with this thread after Sunday(I don't want any spoilers!) Helen irritates me beyond belief.

Tom can't just cancel the marquee without consulting Kirsty!!!

Brat

Go Tony! grin

BasketzatDawn Fri 21-Feb-14 19:22:13

Utterly brilliant. Go Tony! But I can't help thinking none of this would have happened if Tony had shown some backbone years ago. Better late than never, however. BTW, what is 'NC' in this context?

LaundryFairy Fri 21-Feb-14 19:22:58

I'm going to be controversial and say that I would be seriously pissed off by Tony's passive aggressive beef herd. Tom has been going on and on abut his plans and Tony hasn't made a peep! And now Tony turns up with his lovely lot and, just to rub salt in the wound, slips in the little fact that he will only be stumping up enough wedding money to pay for a barrel of Bert's dodgy cider!

HumphreyCobbler Fri 21-Feb-14 19:24:14

Tom has got all that money from Peggy. He will cope.

TemperamentalAroundCorvids Fri 21-Feb-14 19:26:31

I don't think Tom has shared any detailed plans with anyone, just assumed he had the run of the farm, apart from the veg.

TemperamentalAroundCorvids Fri 21-Feb-14 19:27:06

* he just assumed

ZeroSomeGameThingy Fri 21-Feb-14 19:27:15

Serves Tom damn right. Whose farm does he think it is?

LaundryFairy Fri 21-Feb-14 19:28:08

I don't doubt Tom will cope, and yes he can be an arrogant little so and so, but I just loathe passive aggressive people and so Tony is my nightmare.

TemperamentalAroundCorvids Fri 21-Feb-14 19:33:23

I stand corrected by my earlier post - it was clear that Tom had discussed his planting plan in detail - with Rob. A fact that Rob mentioned at the birthday meal, thus prompting Tony to do more 'research'.

HumphreyCobbler Fri 21-Feb-14 19:37:27

Tony was just trying to claw back control from his overbearing son. I think it was a very satisfying moment to listen to. Although he should have told him in advance, it wouldn't have made such good radio grin

ZeroSomeGameThingy Fri 21-Feb-14 19:39:07

Oh yes! Good point Temp

Welcome toldmywrath (great n-name.) Hope you agree this is the best ever.

BasketzatDawn Fri 21-Feb-14 19:39:08

Och, it's just a story and rather entertaining IMO.

ExcuseTypos Fri 21-Feb-14 19:39:21

Can I ask a question?

I'm not clear about the Peggy's inheritance- has she left the farm to Tom or money? I thought the farm belonged to Tony- I'm confused

The farm is Tony & Pat's - Peggy will leave her cash to Tom (Helen gets Peggy's house)

Basketz, NC is "no contact" - used about cutting off toxic parents etc

LaundryFairy, I don't think what Tony's done is PA - he has been very P for a long time & has now suddenly found his A!

&, tbf, it's his farm, not Tom's! It was Tom's idea to get rid of the dairy herd in the first place & both Pat & Tony were unhappy about that; they did come round gradually but were never enthusiastic. Since then Tom has behaved as if it's all his & Peggy has backed him up - between them they just pushed Tony too far

LillianGish Fri 21-Feb-14 19:46:08

How much money will she have to leave bearing in mind Jack left all his to Hazel? if she ends up needing as much care as Jack at the end of her days (and bearing in mind Jack's comments about never having her to live with him this week) there might not be much left!

LaundryFairy Fri 21-Feb-14 19:48:49

I know what you mean about finding his aggressive - I just wish he had bloody spoken to Tom about wanting animals back on the farm - about wanting to be more involved in the business. Instead, he just moaned and moaned to Pat.

ExcuseTypos Fri 21-Feb-14 19:49:57

Thank you TheOne. I got confused as Tom acts as if he blooming owns the place. He makes me so angrygrin

ExcuseTypos Fri 21-Feb-14 19:51:03

I'm please Tony has some cows again. He sounded all chuffed for a change

BasketzatDawn Fri 21-Feb-14 19:51:46

BUT, what Tom seems to have missed is that GrannyPeg needs to be dead before he sees most of the money. She did say too that she was leaving him MOST of her estate - nobody knows how much that is, and she was leaving a small 'something' to the others - not sure if that was the pics nobody seems to like, or if some cash too?

I'd like to think that with the lovely Hazel getting Jack's dosh, and Peg having most of her money from the sale of the Bull, so not a huge amount really, and all the 'helping out' of the SausageKing, he will have hugely overestimated how much Gran is worth. In fact, tis quite possible the house that his sister is getting will be worth more than what is in her bank account. That would be so wonderful methnks.

BasketzatDawn Fri 21-Feb-14 20:00:44

I see a few cross posts. I agree with above, esp that tony has found his A after his P time. Thing is he WAS talking about his misery at the loss of cows, but Tom wasn't listening. I find it good that he has dealt with the situation that was making so unhappy. his shrink would be proud!! And Pat seems pleased that Tony is happy again.

TemperamentalAroundCorvids Fri 21-Feb-14 20:01:00

And what of the IHT situation? Could Hellin have to sell her bequest to pay her share? We need figures...

there's probably an Ambridge IHT fairy to sort that out, Corvids grin

Panzee Fri 21-Feb-14 20:24:30

I only caught one line tonight as I was doing bedtime, but what a line... "you've got the wrong farm" "no he hasn't!" Mwahahahaha go Tony! grin

puggle01 Fri 21-Feb-14 20:28:33

Love your username temperamental - one of the best miscellaneous lines from Lynda ever

Songbird Fri 21-Feb-14 21:19:40

A-amazing episode tonight, loved it. Good old tony, tom is such a nasty bully when it comes to his parents. Well, and hellin is as well - how did p&t end up with children like them? Tom didn't really discuss any of his expansion plans with tony, which was one of the many things getting tone down. He deserves everything he gets. I will be VERY disappointed if this all goes tits up for tony, he really needs this to be a success. Can't wait to hear tom running to gran!

PseudoBadger Fri 21-Feb-14 21:49:32

Right so i'm predicting a boring old credit card debt SL for Tom and Kirsty. The wedding dress is on the plastic and now the wedding will be too. Therefore their mortgage borrowing will be curtailed and there will be much angst as Tom will have to grovel to Tony to be allowed to build on the farm.

Songbird Fri 21-Feb-14 22:24:54

Love it!

Burma Fri 21-Feb-14 22:45:12

Will P & T be upset that Tom won't hold the wedding there now? Can't believe he did that petulant little git shock!

BitOutOfPractice Fri 21-Feb-14 22:54:00

Ha! I found you! I've been away in foreignland with no archers access so I've been avoiding this thread.

My lovely lovely boyfriend downloaded a special app so he could circumvent the iPlayer and download this week's episodes. (Love that man. He's a keeper!) and listened to it in the Dutch countryside grin

My goodness, the scriptwriters have SO been reading the Relationships board here!!!

I just cringed my way through that whole Helen and Rob sorting out the sheets bollocks

JessieMcJessie Sat 22-Feb-14 00:24:19

Jack didn't leave all his money to Hazel-Hazel got the majority share in his investments and Peggy a minority share. That said, there was less money in the overall pot than Hazel had anticipated.

ComposHat Sat 22-Feb-14 00:45:02

Tonight's episode made me punch the air with delight when Tony socked it to Tom by buying the cattle and then cut him down to size when he reminded him that it was his farm and not Tom's.

I also hope he makes a roaring success of Tony Archer Beef so that it dwarfs Tom's piddly sausage endeavours.

Panzee Sat 22-Feb-14 10:52:53

I so want him to drop in the phrase "Tony Archer Brand" now and again. grin I was really annoyed with Pat &Tone when they capitulated over the dairy herd but still moaned about it. I was shouting at them to tell Tom to shove it!

I missed most of last night, what did Pat think?

TemperamentalAroundCorvids Sat 22-Feb-14 11:08:22

She said nothing, I think, but we got the impression she was quietly approving smile

Bluestocking Sat 22-Feb-14 11:18:17

No wonder Kirsty's overcompensating with the dress if she's got a lifetime of Tom's piddly sausage endeavours to look forward to ...

TemperamentalAroundCorvids Sat 22-Feb-14 11:24:22

Tom is full of feeling rich, even though he isn't yet, because of Peggy's bombshell. Hence the looking at Posh Place. And some of this has rubbed off on Kirsty, hence the dress. I agree that normally she would souce something vintage, but occasionally it is nice to just go for it, if you can (just) afford it.

Burma Sat 22-Feb-14 11:35:31

That woman in the wedding dress shop is ghastly! I wouldn't buy from her on principle..

SomethingOnce Sat 22-Feb-14 11:46:19

And no photos of her exclusive designs?

Sod that! On principle I'd be snapping away in the changing room and Facebooking like a fiend!

Songbird Sat 22-Feb-14 11:56:47

composhat I punched the air and shouted 'booooom!!' at Tony - I loved it!! DH didn't love it as he was watching the rugby and I was listening with headphones on grin

ComposHat Sat 22-Feb-14 12:22:31

blue yes a lifetime of tom filling the gap in your market with his piddly sausage isn't worth all the dresses in the world.

somebody referred to Tom (the piddly sausage king) as the chipolata on the FB page

I think he should be referred to thus forever now grin

Yes pat sounded approving. Probably relieved to see tiny looking enthusiastic about something

Tom is just such a dick

Willie, was tiny a typo or deliberate? grin

Either way I think they should be known as Tiny & the Chipolata Kid

SomewhereBeyondTheSea Sat 22-Feb-14 16:54:57

Loving the thread title ! A very belated marking-place - need the omnibus tomorrow to catch up ...

cheminotte Sat 22-Feb-14 17:03:54

Songbird just listened to last 5 minutes of Friday's episode which I'd missed. I can see why you were punching the air. Tony really told Tom! And how petty of Tom to cancel the marquee. What will Kirsty say?

ZeroSomeGameThingy Sat 22-Feb-14 18:18:09

So where are we with the wedding finances?

Peggy has offered £18 thousand (?) for a house deposit.

Tony has withdrawn part of whatever (smaller) amount P & T had offered towards the wedding.

Roy was insisting on a mega-stag (?)

Kirstie has paid a deposit for the £2,400 wedding dress.

Super-Posh Towers has phoned Tom because they have a cancellation. Tom has cancelled the marquee.

Can't quite work out whether the happy couple are heading for trouble or not....

(But the way things are going Tony will probably be spending the wedding day with his new cows.)

Songbird Sat 22-Feb-14 18:54:28

Has Peggy actually offered £18k though? All I remember is her saying 'I'm open to the idea, let's not settle on an amount yet'. When I first heard that I thought she meant she'd offer more, but now I'm wondering. And has kirsty only agreed to the (out of character) mega bucks dress because they were having a relatively cheap marquee wedding?

More good stuff coming our way methinks!

ErrolTheDragon Sat 22-Feb-14 19:06:06

Just caught up ... have a few days 'holiday' and come back to well over 200 messages! A sort of index of how much fun TA is at the moment.

Who ever heard of a man choosing the conjugal bedlinen?

Yay Tony - although he'd been thinking about the suckler herd (had he discussed it with anyone other than David?) for a while it was a bit of a quick decision borne out of his renewed sense of being able to do something following the Ambridge Ark, I thought. But he knows about cows so I do hope it works out beautifully for him.

Oh dear... T thinks kirsty might be blowing as much as a grand on her frock, he'll be stunned by how much it is ... and she'll be upset he's cancelled the marquee and gone for wherever it is £££...

TypicaLibra Sat 22-Feb-14 19:09:48

Excellent episode!

For years it has felt like the scriptwriters thought we should like Tom (and Helen) more than we do. I'm so pleased they've finally given him his just desserts and oh in what a way - what better than to have Tony put him in his place so brilliantly?

<rubbing hands together in pure glee>

TypicaLibra Sat 22-Feb-14 19:11:36

Oh and another thing .... for once I was pleased with the Ambridge Fairy, how wonderful that someone selling an organic suckler herd was conjured out of thin air this week!!!

GypsyFloss Sat 22-Feb-14 19:22:11

Just catching up now.

GypsyFloss Sat 22-Feb-14 19:25:31

What a spoilt brat you are Tom.

Panzee Sat 22-Feb-14 20:18:28

Just listened to it, am loving it! Agree that Pat seems quietly pleased and Tom is so petty. grin

I have so many questions. What will Kirsty say to the expensive reception venue change? What will Tom say to the millionaire dress? Have either of them actually sat down and costed any of this? They just seem to be planning independently of each other. Do you remember when Lower Loxley did weddings? Or was that just for Kenton and Jolene?

I'm starting to wonder if this wedding will ever go ahead <strokes chin>

Bluestocking Sat 22-Feb-14 20:37:21

TypicaLibra, you've hit the nail on the head. I think The Previous Editor was convinced that The Cheese Queen and Chipolata were much more sympathetic and popular characters than they actually are, and staunchly resisted the mega-flock of chickens which are now coming home to roost in a most satisfactory way.
I hope Tom really overplays his hand with Piggoi, and she ends up withdrawing her (reluctant) offer of financial support for the wedding in that quavery but imperiously Thatcherite way of hers, citing some sort of homily about cutting your coat according to your cloth.

CarolineKnappShappey Sat 22-Feb-14 20:50:26

And what about Rich, Peggoi's other grandson? Nothing for him?

It's a bit of a power trip for Peggoi. My Granny used to spend many a happy afternoon sticking people's names on the bottom of hideous ornaments, and if you annoyed her she would peel your name off, and stick someone else's on.

stilllearnin Sat 22-Feb-14 21:03:19

We have a long running joke of putting a sticker on or pulling it off things we want - Cannot believe it actually happens!

The Tony Archer Brand - oh brilliant!

SomethingOnce Sat 22-Feb-14 21:25:32

that quavery but imperiously Thatcherite way of hers, citing some sort of homily about cutting your coat according to your cloth.

Ah, everything that grates about Peggy in a sentence. Beautifully put, Blue!

Halsall Sat 22-Feb-14 23:14:40

Hear, hear! grin

Selks Sun 23-Feb-14 00:31:17

grin @ your Granny and her name stickers, Caroline!

campion Sun 23-Feb-14 00:45:52

Don't think Peggoi knows about Rich, CarolineK.

FunLovinBunster Sun 23-Feb-14 07:24:05

I've looked at the radio listings for this week, and


ROB LOSES HIS TEMPER.
I am so looking forward to this. My mum thinks Rob is menacing too.

PseudoBadger Sun 23-Feb-14 07:41:47

Hey hey Fun easy on the old spoilers!

Bluestocking Sun 23-Feb-14 09:14:24

I'm so happy to have found my spiritual sisters! smile
Do we have any idea how Vicky, Mike and Bethany are? It seems ages since we heard anything about them.

ComposHat Sun 23-Feb-14 09:22:25

My memory is shocking, I can't remember how Moike and Vickoi met. Was it online?

AllMimsyWereTheBorogroves Sun 23-Feb-14 09:23:47

At ballroom dancing, I think.

ComposHat Sun 23-Feb-14 09:29:18

Oh yes, I forgot Moike was a bit nifty on his toes.

justiceofthePeas Sun 23-Feb-14 09:53:44

HellRob EA works on FOG fear obligation guilt.
Hel already has the obligation (she lives in his house and burnt her bridge farms) and he CHOSE her
guilt because of Jess and everyone knowing she was OW.

So with the row...bring the fear. sad

Ot is interesting though that they backed off the Paul EA storyline and then brought this in soon after.

And for the person way up thread who said would you be able to tell from the outside, the indicators would be things like H being very conscientious about making sure everything was ready for Rob getting home etc. and not making any decisions without checking with him first.

And Tom mwahahahaha. he really is Mr Tactless.

GypsyFloss Sun 23-Feb-14 09:54:53

One eyed Moike , the cha-cha-cha King.

ComposHat Sun 23-Feb-14 10:03:04

Yes and Helen ises the exact same techniques on her parents.

Obligation- she is their daughter

Fear - the implicit threat of do x or you will cause me tobecome ill again

Guilt - that they have failed as parents and farmers (tony especially)

guineapiglet Sun 23-Feb-14 10:17:52

hi all
bluestocking I worry about Mike and family! Alice and and Chris? Adam and Ian?.
...and.. most worryingly, is where on earth is Daryl?????

Bluestocking Sun 23-Feb-14 10:27:41

YY re Darrell, where on earth has he gone?

SomewhereBeyondTheSea Sun 23-Feb-14 10:45:39

Blue - "quavery but imperiously Thatcherite" - grin bang on!

And Caroline - lol at your granny. I'm going to do that when I get older. Must start accumulating hideous ornaments.

SomewhereBeyondTheSea Sun 23-Feb-14 10:46:50

And let's not inquire too closely into Darryl's location, the scriptwriters might think we want him back.

campion Sun 23-Feb-14 10:47:47

Why is Helen selling wedding dresses?

Why isn't Kirsty's Mum/sister/auntie/neighbour/dog helping her to choose?

PseudoBadger Sun 23-Feb-14 10:57:05

Stop asking about Darrell! They'll hear you!

lljkk Sun 23-Feb-14 10:58:44

I would be happy for Darrell to have a long sabbatical...

am still confused about Kirsty & the dress. Is it because she's a hopeless romantic?

HumphreyCobbler Sun 23-Feb-14 11:08:44

ComposHat, you are so right about Helen and the FOG

just listened again and the bit about changing the bed linen <bleurghhhhh>

cheminotte Sun 23-Feb-14 11:25:26

The bed changing scene was a bit bleurgh but also pretty normal. I didn't hear any ominous undertones to it.

daisychain01 Sun 23-Feb-14 11:26:45

Am a happy bunny finding this thread as Im an avid Archers fan!

As regards the current Creepy Rob SL, I felt as if he was gaslighting Hell-in when he made such a massive fuss and boak about the tuna.

Im just 100% suspicious of literally everything he does and says.

There is speculation he will slowly and evil-like over a long time turn Henry against his mother.

Btw I agree with northern Ambridge Extra is shite!

daisychain01 Sun 23-Feb-14 11:28:50

Apologies it was compos who thinks AExtra is shite grin

TheRaniOfYawn Sun 23-Feb-14 11:45:41

Don't we all think it's shite?

TemperamentalAroundCorvids Sun 23-Feb-14 11:55:48

I thought the bed linen scene was well done - and showed two people vying for control of the other's actions. Rob the winner on points.

Bumply Sun 23-Feb-14 12:13:39

I thought the bed scene was rob doing some planning to make Helen think him being secretive and not letting her see his phone will always have happy surprise connotations rather than keeping ow secret.

HumphreyCobbler Sun 23-Feb-14 12:40:01

To me, the bed scene was boak worthy due to Helen's attempt at arch flirtation.
"or don't you mind being beaten by a woman Rob..."

arghhhhhh

on so many levels

SomewhereBeyondTheSea Sun 23-Feb-14 12:46:03

I thought the bed scene made Helen a little bit OCD ... 'do it THIS way ....'

ppeatfruit Sun 23-Feb-14 13:52:24

ASFAIK Darrell is happily ensconced in the 'done up' van type thing, which is on "The Stables" land I'm pleased he's there and not on TA grin anyone want him back then?

I'm hoping there'll be a denouement of the HellRob plot involving Jess and Hell getting together and 'setting up' the industrial dairy king. Leading him to lose his job and BOTH the women grin as well as the house. (evil grin)

Halsall Sun 23-Feb-14 15:09:26

Tony's currently moonlighting as Mr Bennet in a Pride & Prejudice on R4 grin

I admit that I actually cheered when he spelt out a few home truths to the smug, arrogant Sausage King, who will no doubt go crying to Grandma now, asking for more money and will, I hope, get into a mess

The worm will eventually turn.

TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet (MNHQ) Sun 23-Feb-14 15:57:02

TheRaniOfYawn

Don't we all think it's shite?

Oh no! I love it!! blush grin
Am def enjoying it all ATM
Sausage king of Chicago ambridge SO PETULANT on phone to marquee company
Hope there is a deposit charge or something

CuttedUpPear Sun 23-Feb-14 16:05:04

I now understand the bedlinen scene. It was to give Hellin a small and inconsequential victory over the man who is shortly going to be controlling her every move. Rob may be able to dictate how she feels and what she wears, but at least she can out a pillow case on more quickly than he can. Touche!

....and ....<contentious> I want Darryl! I want a scene with him re-aligning Jennifer's drawers!
Rob could have least have donated the bigamous bedlinen to him in his new home-to-be.

AllMimsyWereTheBorogroves Sun 23-Feb-14 16:10:14

Cutted, I think the best thing then is for Darrell to come round to your house and tell you all about it one to one. Then the rest of us won't have to hear his irritating whine ever again. OK?

FunLovinBunster Sun 23-Feb-14 16:29:49

I hate Darrell. Whiny loser.

BitOutOfPractice Sun 23-Feb-14 17:08:22

You see if I were tom I would be furious too. It seems tony has childishly gone out to buy these cows to spite him and it has a big impact on him and the family business. I thought it was a bit pathetic of tony tbh

PseudoBadger Sun 23-Feb-14 17:13:50

It's Tony's mid life cowsis

puddock Sun 23-Feb-14 17:19:17

Childish snort at "re-aligning Jennifer's drawers"...

puggle01 Sun 23-Feb-14 17:33:45

I've maybe watched too much Breaking Bad but thought definitely Tony had a touch of the Walter Whites about him when he was telling the sausage king where to get off. Here's hoping he'll be cooking meth with Jazzer by the end of next week

BitOutOfPractice Sun 23-Feb-14 18:07:49

Pseudo grin

That was so bad it was good!

I have timed the journey over to my BF's tonight so I can listen. <addict>

I have missed lots but what is Tony up to? I was so sorry when the dairy herd went (even Lonely Cow)?

I trust a handy sink hole has swallowed up Darrell and his daughter and nobody has noticed yet.

CarolineKnappShappey Sun 23-Feb-14 18:15:57

granny used to get quite annoyed at us giggling as no teenager was remotely interested in her Royal Doultom figurines. Bless her.

I hope Peggoi and Tony have a ding dong about the cows, and Tony tells her to get stuffed.

Olivia, I think the shite comments referred to Amex, not TA

We are all loving TA grin

LauraBridges Sun 23-Feb-14 18:26:14

Does Rob stay with his wife sometimes or one night a week (e.g 14 Feb) without telling Helen? I was getting that impression but not heard this week's episodes.

Bluestocking Sun 23-Feb-14 18:26:21

Tom is really cheesed off and will be milking the situation for all it's worth. He'll have to butter Peggy up!

cheminotte Sun 23-Feb-14 18:27:33

Wow - lots of interesting interpretations of the bed scene. Maybe I have led a sheltered life.

Clarrie's wind-up on POTW grin

FunLovinBunster Sun 23-Feb-14 19:02:58

"Rob has a cunning plan" tonight just about to start....

FunLovinBunster Sun 23-Feb-14 19:07:30

"Watch out for the enemy within...."
Hmmmm.

toldmywrath Sun 23-Feb-14 19:27:33

ZeroSomeGameThingy thanks for the welcome. TA has really stepped up a notch in the past few weeks.
I agree that Peggy has a very querulous voice & she annoys me. Why hasn't Alice voiced her disquiet over the lack of any inheritance?
I think that it is unrealistic that Peggy would essentially cut out the rest of her family in favour of sausage king & hellin.

GypsyFloss Sun 23-Feb-14 19:28:26

grin Bluestocking.

So, Rob. Overriding the Helen's concerns about Henry's safety. Followed by a public display of affection and ownership. Not looking good. In fact everything "nice" thing he does for her ,she laps them up and all the time he's in control and pulling those strings.

Go Pat saying no and putting down that phone. That has to the first time I've ever heard her to say no and stick to it.

Tony sounds so happy with his cowsis . Thanks Pseudo .
What's the chances of him now keeling over ?

Graceparkhill Sun 23-Feb-14 19:30:13

I am guessing Rob will be removing the ladder so Henry can't leave his room in the middle of the night.

ErrolTheDragon Sun 23-Feb-14 19:43:05

I think they didn't follow up the Paul EA thing because no way would Lillian allow herself to become a victim for long - she'd have cottoned on and LTB if it had gone on. Whereas this one could run for a long time.

Do we think Rob's cunning plan re asking Pat to babysit at short notice again was that there was a good chance she'd refuse, thus building up the wall he doubtless wants betwixt Helen and her parents? I can't imagine he wanted to see Oklahoma!

Displayed his true feeling about kids in the bed showroom .... what will happen when Henry gets out of his current enjoyment of having a 'daddy' figure and starts behaving normally badly?

Songbird Sun 23-Feb-14 20:39:46

errol I came on to say just that about Rob's 'last minute' tickets and hellin's babysitting request. He knew she'd either be too busy or would say no out of principal.

HumphreyCobbler Sun 23-Feb-14 21:13:43

I thought Pat was brilliant when she articulated why Helen was so at fault for mentioning that they must be missing Henry as a way of getting her to babysit. Perhaps SHE has been on the relationship boards? grin

Mmmm - which Archer's character would use Mumsnet?

I think Brenda, that is why she LTB.

daisychain01 Sun 23-Feb-14 21:41:39

Yup sorry OliviaMN AmEx is utter utter shite!

TA Brilliant RobHell plot ATM

But I draw the line at and >>boaked<< at the thought of whimpy David and Roof nearly being caught DTD by Jill. oMG, fancy her not knocking, just barging into their bedroom ( and that was even after they asked her not to!! ).

Hope she wont be dong a repeat of that stunt any time soon envy
..Wince

bigbadbarry Sun 23-Feb-14 22:02:15

I don't think she barged into their bedroom. I think she barged into some cottage they were in? But I am washing up at the time so maybe mis-heard. Agree it doesn't bear thinking about either way!

bigbadbarry Sun 23-Feb-14 22:04:04

um, I was washing up. I'm not now.

Songbird Sun 23-Feb-14 22:19:02

That reminds me, who's in Rickyard at the moment? Wouldn't it make sense for Jill to live there?

ZeroSomeGameThingy Sun 23-Feb-14 22:34:18

Can't recall if David and Ruth increased the rent or not but, when Ed n Emma couldn't afford it any more, I think it was rented out to strangers. (Although Josh had a birthday gathering there...)

daisychain01 Sun 23-Feb-14 22:36:13

songbird I believe the thinking behind Jill moving in with David and Roof is because she has lost a lot of confidence since the burglery so Roof thought it would be nice if she had a couple of months with them, just to get her back on her feet emotionally.

I think thats where David had the jitters about his DM living under the same roof again, because it bought back memories of the previous invasion of privacy IYSWIM grin

daisychain01 Sun 23-Feb-14 22:39:53

HumphreyCobbler yy to Brenda using MN!

Also I wonder if Nick might use it esp. Now she's back in New born baby mode again!

ComposHat Sun 23-Feb-14 23:23:16

I reckon Nic is probably Nethuns fodder. Emmur almost certainly.

TemperamentalAroundCorvids Mon 24-Feb-14 00:06:11

To return briefly to the bed linen scene, I thought Hellin was running exactly the same strategy for getting Rob to join in as she uses with Henry. and I wondered for a moment whether it would have worked on my Ex Will Rob share the housework according to one of the approved MN models? Hellin may be happy to do all the cooking, but maybe not the rest of it.

ComposHat Mon 24-Feb-14 00:27:19

I can't imagine he wanted to see Oklahoma

Perhaps Rob really is he really is a 'fan of musical theatre' wink and the womanising is just massive over compensation.

Benzalkonium Mon 24-Feb-14 00:35:28

So.... Who thinks tony's beef enterprse is Going to be successful?

Hope so, just to show tom!

ComposHat Mon 24-Feb-14 00:55:26

Yes. I do hope so.

I am beginning to feel quite sorry for Tony andrelish sny opportunity vto see Tom bought down a peg or two.

BasketzatDawn Mon 24-Feb-14 00:57:59

I could quite see the CheeseQueen on AIBU moaning about her DM refusing to care for darling ds. After all she gave all of 3 mins' notice, and she has a new bf who her DPs don't like, so of course she can't BU for thinking her DM is being rather spiteful. And being absolutely roasted, one hopes.

I think the bubble hasn't burst on Helen's desire to play houses yet. So she's happy to cook, and to do all the housework, etc. Wherever she is in 20 years, hopefully not with EvilRob, surely the novelty have worn off and she'll realise how fecking boring housework actually is. no?

ComposHat Mon 24-Feb-14 01:03:41

Yes I could see Hellin's post going

Hellin AIBU?

MN yes, yes and thrice yes.

Hellin: no I'm not. You're all spiteful bullies.

BasketzatDawn Mon 24-Feb-14 01:09:54

Yes, I want Tony's beef entreprise to succeed too.

I've been thinking (too much) about the TOM-Tony 'war'. Despite disliking Tom intensely, I can see why he is annoyed. Like all of us, to a lesser or greater degree, we all rewrite our life scripts to suit our own preferences. Over the years Tom has told himself he and his parents run the farm as a collaboration. We have seen him as a bully who nags till his parents back down, e.g. over the cows (getting rid of prev ones, I mean). His parents felt cowed (ha ha!) into getting rid of the herd. He thinks he's oh so keen and the 'ideas man' of the business and the decision was a joint one. Of course he can't see himself as a bumptious, self-centred, little bully. So of course he feels wronged. it doesn't mean he's right though. his dad has just had enough and this is how it's come out. Yay for Tony. And of course Pat and Tony - esp since John died and
Helen was ill - have treaded on eggshells to keep the peace. I think it's great that Pat is on Tony's side. It was lovely when they went together to 'visit' the cows.

ComposHat Mon 24-Feb-14 01:32:08

I think that's a really accurate assessment. Problem is that as 'the ideas man'most of his ideas are shite. When the farm looked like it was going tits up due to the plague yoghurt, didn't he spend an inordinate amount of time teaching his pigs to play football on YouTube? It was actually Tony who had the idea of putting everything under the Ambridge organics brand. (If I remember Hellin in typically self absorbed fashion wanted to re brand the dairy products as Henry's)

Are Tom and Hellin actually partners in the farm or are they in reality just a farm labourer (with a sideline in sausages) and a glorified shop assistant?

Is

cheminotte Mon 24-Feb-14 06:32:45

It was lovely how Pat supported Tony while still gently probing why he hadn't discussed with her first.
Temp yes I can see now how the bed linen scene was a bit like how she might be with Henry - let's make this into a game...

cheminotte Mon 24-Feb-14 06:36:56

And Rob is being Mr Generous getting not only them but also Henry a new bed. Will Helen be on here soon saying - but he's such a good dad?

nauticant Mon 24-Feb-14 09:01:01

This thread has brought us:

Tom's piddly sausage endeavours

Darryl ... re-aligning Jennifer's drawers

This thread is marvellous.

BitOutOfPractice Mon 24-Feb-14 09:09:16

You see I'm seeing this all differently. I think Tony is behaving like a spoilt little boy to show his mummy that he's not past it. In the menatime, he's gone behind everyone's back, spending the money that belongs to the business to make a point that he's still got what it takes. It's a bit pathetic imho.

And we wonder where Tom gets his single minded compulsion to plough ahead with his own ideas regardless of anyone elses' plans or feelings? Clearly modelled on his father.

Remember who picked up the pieces of the business when Tony was ill? And when the food poisoning thing happened. It would have gone under without Tom (who, you must admit, works hard) but it seems to be forgotten now that Tony wants to play a cattle farmer again.

CuttedUpPear Mon 24-Feb-14 09:46:23

Composhat Perhaps Rob really is a 'fan of musical theatre' wink and the womanising is just massive over compensation.

grin

Now I understand EVERYTHING

ErrolTheDragon Mon 24-Feb-14 10:04:40

Well, yes it is a bit pathetic but a lot better than buying a new ancient tractor or whatever his equivalent of getting a Harley might be.

BTW - it's a long time since I married, but back then the groom's parents weren't expected to make a significant contribution to the wedding expenses, the bulk always fell to the brides parents. I suppose nowadays couples are more likely to be self-financing - but surely Tom shouldn't have had expectations of a large amount from T&P in the first place?

Rob's deciding to get Henry a new bed is doubtless with the idea curtailing his nocturnal visits with a I've We've bought you a nice new bed so bloody well please stay in it you spoilt brat like a big boy. Any bets on this being what will set off his trailed display of temper?

ppeatfruit Mon 24-Feb-14 10:28:55

YYYY to BitoutofPractice I thought that they were all partners; we don't hear many meetings about how the farm is going to be run though do we ? There should be proper monthly meetings comprising ALL the partners.

BitOutOfPractice Mon 24-Feb-14 10:38:31

Yes Ppeatfruit - Tony has just gone ahead and done exactly what he accuses Tom of (making decisions and following them through without consulting anyone else) only worse, because he's done it out of spite not blind ignorance. He knew exactly what he was doing - with the added sting in the tail of getting revenge on Tom for asking Peggy for money. It really is horrible what he's done.

ComposHat Mon 24-Feb-14 10:38:54

Are the Sausage and Cheese Queen actual partners or is it just an understanding that they will inherit the farm one day? Tony said 'me and your mum work hard to pay the mortgage' implying that Tom abd Hellin aren't partners.

justiceofthePeas Mon 24-Feb-14 10:41:19

I don't think they are partners just related businesses. H runs the shop which sells the produce? Pat does the yogurt. P and T have the farm and T has Tom Archer brand.

and although Tom did step in when Tony get ill that was only because Tony was overworked because Tom was off playing football with his pigs and skiving off the milking and there was the classic outburst from Dirty about sausages.

I presume Tom helps out with milking etc. because he will inherit the farm and is partly supported by bridge farm(the pigs are there aren't they?) but when it came to all the debt etc. P and T dealt with that so I assume the farm business is theirs.

I don't like the new Tony.
In fact I don't like any of that family.

justiceofthePeas Mon 24-Feb-14 10:42:29

Dirty ...Kirsty ...sorry poor Kirsty who is actually obey of the nice characters. always cheery.

Ladyflip Mon 24-Feb-14 10:59:21

I agree with oyu BitOutof practice. Tony behaving like a spoilt child. Buying a whole suckler herd is a massive investment, and to go ahead with it with no discussion is ridiculous.

As to the monthly partners meeting ppeatfruit, from my experience family farms don't run like that, especially where there are some difficulties with the family dynamic which is nearly always. They all just seem to mutter at each other with occasional rows!

i don't think that what tony did was right (especially wrt pat. even though she's taken it well i think it's out of order him taking a decision like that without consulting her). however i am enjoying tom being cross about it!

ppeatfruit Mon 24-Feb-14 11:10:25

Oh dear ladyflip Could mean problems!!

BitOutOfPractice Mon 24-Feb-14 11:13:57

I thought I was going to getflamed for my anti-Moany posts but I should have known this thread is better than that grin [middle class R4 listener emoticon]

TypicaLibra Mon 24-Feb-14 12:02:05

I think Tom and Helen are proper partners in the business ... remember a while ago when Pat and Tony went on holiday to warmer climes for a week and Tom had to go and buy something from the local agricultural store? He was complaining because he wasn't a signatory on the cheque book so he had trouble getting the stuff - and him and Helen both said how absurd it was that they were partners but not signatories.

I remember thinking at the time that it was extremely far-fetched that they didn't just have an account there which would just be paid at the end of the month like all normal farms.

Think when Pat and Tony got back from holiday they were added as signatories.

Martorana Mon 24-Feb-14 12:04:57

You aren't suggesting that Rob is a Friend of Dorothy? shock

ErrolTheDragon Mon 24-Feb-14 12:06:26

I thought there was something a little while ago when Tom used the farm money because his ready meals business had a cash flow problem - implying he can write cheques on the farm account but that there are separate businesses.

HumphreyCobbler Mon 24-Feb-14 12:07:54

I normally find Tony and Pat unbearable but am enjoying Tom getting his comeuppance so much I am momentarily willing to forget how irritating is.

BoreOfWhabylon Mon 24-Feb-14 12:21:25

I remember Hellin and Chipolata browbeating Pol Pat and Moany until they finally agreed to take on a massive mortgage to buy the freehold of the farm.

History is here linky

I despise the lot of them but am rather liking New Tony (as much as one can like any of them) and am pleased to see the worm finally turning and facing up to Piggoi and the Chipolata Kid.

ComposHat Mon 24-Feb-14 12:45:00

Piggoi & the chipolata kid. Caused me to snort coffee through my nose!

BoreOfWhabylon Mon 24-Feb-14 12:50:57

grin

Does anyone remember no-nonsense Hannah the Pig Girl? They should have kept her - she would have made an excellent match for Chipolata Kid!

teenybash7 Mon 24-Feb-14 12:52:15

Just catching up with this thread. I'm really sorry for Daryl - I can't help it!

<big softy>

HumphreyCobbler Mon 24-Feb-14 13:17:44

I also had never realised what a bitch Peggy is shock Her words to Tony about resembling his father were so hurtful, it put me on his side a bit more.

IorekByrnisonsArmour Mon 24-Feb-14 13:22:47

I didn't know there was an Archers thread

Nobody I know listens to it -or will admit it- grin

So nice to find like minded people who loathe Tom and EvilRob smile

FunLovinBunster Mon 24-Feb-14 13:26:55

There's a great twitter feed for the Archers. And Alternative Archers.
Am trying to get Bloke interested in the Archers.
He said he doesn't give a shiny shite about Ambridge.
I may have to LTB...grin

BitOutOfPractice Mon 24-Feb-14 13:44:56

My new bloke is hooked. He missed it last night and begged for an update until I got him to admit he's hooked <brainwashing>

ComposHat Mon 24-Feb-14 13:53:43

humphrey it has always been there especially with those who don't maintain her rigid moral standards.

I do get theIimpression the impression that the new producer is allowing the less appetising features of that branch of the archers family to come to the surface.

Tony's inferiority complex, Jennifer's snobbishness, Peggy's harsh and unforgiving attitude to Tony, Hellin and Tom's hectoring of their parents have always been there in the background. But now they are firmly front and centre. I wonder if they are setting them up as the counterpoint to the more settled and functional Brookfield Archers.

Toomuchtea Mon 24-Feb-14 14:01:03

Ah, Funlovin.... that is tricky. Ex DH was not an Archers fan. DH is. Listener, I married him.

Have just caught up on Saturday's. Loved Tony telling Tom where to get off, and staggered but not surprised at Tom throwing toys out of the pram. Will no one think of the poor Bridge Farm field, and how unwanted it must be feeling? On-off, on-off. Just put the cows in there Tony. Nothing like trying to clear a field the cows have been in and trying to put a marquee there.

Off now to listen to Sunday's/Monday lunch. Electrician is just here though and if the power goes off I shall be very, very sad.

Toomuchtea Mon 24-Feb-14 14:46:11

Am I right - is Tom going to use Peggy's money to pay for the wedding instead of a deposit on a house?

And apologies if it's already been said, but that phone charger Helen couldn't find because Rob was using it - that is, I presume, left wherever he was on Valentine's Day?

Minimammoth Mon 24-Feb-14 14:49:22

Yes we have not had the Valentines massacre conversation have we, or have I missed something?

Toomuchtea Mon 24-Feb-14 15:05:36

If you have, I have too.

guineapiglet Mon 24-Feb-14 15:16:45

I found it bizarre that Jess appeared, had a cosy face to face with Hellin telling her exactly what happened and has vanished into thin air, whilst frantic bed buying goes on....wtf?... surely there would have been more than that and Jess may even have confided in Jennifer... I thought she would have been back to confront Rob by now or at least warned Hellin of for good. it is not true to Hellins OCD character that she would quietly let this drop?

guineapiglet Mon 24-Feb-14 15:17:31

off for good blush

ErrolTheDragon Mon 24-Feb-14 15:29:05

I think they're being spare with details on Jess because they want to keep us guessing.

Did anyone believe Rob's explanation about Jess - it was pretty much what I expected him to come out with.

ppeatfruit Mon 24-Feb-14 15:48:39

Yes gunineapiglet you're right Errol it was extremely weird and I said upthread that I reckon it was set up by Rob because of the way Jess said "i'm the idiot aren't I?" as if Rob had invited her. She didn't explain anywhere near enough either as if she wants Hell to still continue believing in Rob which of course ATM she does.

The relationship between HelRob has been lacking in concrete details from the start. Esp. about Jess's place in it. Hell is clearly living in CCL .grin

Toomuchtea Mon 24-Feb-14 15:50:31

Oh definitely not. It convinced Helen and I thought was a neat bit of writing because it allowed Helen to feel sympathetic instead of guilty, which of course is a far more comfortable place to be, and showed the genius level Rob's manipulation has reached.

I also find it bizarre that Jess has disappeared again. What on earth did she appear for? I thought she wanted to talk to rob about something, so presumably she still does want to talk to him, unless they've had another clandestine meeting the SWs haven't told us about.

Minimammoth Mon 24-Feb-14 15:51:26

The eyes of lurv eh?

BitOutOfPractice Mon 24-Feb-14 16:13:20

Oh Rob really did turn the tables didn't he with that explanation - made Hellin feel bad for doubting him. Classic gaslighting. And he threw in a refernce to Greg to relly put the boot in. He is vile. I hope they keep him in for AGES!

Toomuchtea Mon 24-Feb-14 17:18:05

Yes. We need a proper hate figure.

RocknRollNerd Mon 24-Feb-14 17:44:02

There is tremendous scope to factor in the Jess as a Social Worker aspect as well if they really do go for the long term playing out of the DV storyline. If she realises that Rob is abusing Helen then surely she would have to act to protect Henry - which then opens up the whole 'she's abusing her power as a social worker, she's just my bitter ex aspect'. Truly this could run and run if they let it.

Another long burn could be the financial woes of Tom and Kirsty - they are going the right way to have massive amounts of debt from this wedding and the house (and yy to whoever it was said that Peggy might not actually have squillions to leave Tom when she finally slithers off this mortal coil). At the moment though I just can't get past them still fannying around not having invites, venue, clothes etc for an APRIL WEDDING!!!! Don't you need to sort this kind of stuff out at least a few months before the wedding?

HumphreyCobbler Mon 24-Feb-14 18:06:36

Too right RocknRoll

"Tony's inferiority complex, Jennifer's snobbishness, Peggy's harsh and unforgiving attitude to Tony, Hellin and Tom's hectoring of their parents have always been there in the background. But now they are firmly front and centre. I wonder if they are setting them up as the counterpoint to the more settled and functional Brookfield Archers." That is very interesting ComposHat.

was it Peggy that wouldn't tolerate the female vicar?

ComposHat Mon 24-Feb-14 18:10:29

Yes she did. She was a bit sniffy about Usha too when she moved to ambridge - who had the sheer nerve to be both a woman and not white.

justiceofthePeas Mon 24-Feb-14 18:34:25

Jess was saying she was an idiot because she turned up to surprise him on valentine's day thinking that things were back on a better footing after him visiting her in her bed.

hellin seems to have conveniently forgotten that Jess said they slept together.

and j looks like she has given up for the time being having realise that Rob moved Hel in the second she moved out.
Did she not imply he had form for playing away (would be typical EA)

did J not as good as say he was away on Valentine day because he was at it? But H has plenty of form for being eyes wide shut in the past.

Rob will have to start making moves to keep H away from Kirsty soon.

And yy peggoi is an old bag. having her fun over the will while she is still alive and acting all butter wpuldn't melt. she did not as she said tell them so that no one would be surprised ahead told them so she could get to see them being upset.

Panzee Mon 24-Feb-14 18:43:33

Yy to getting a wedding ready for April! Particularly a 3-ring circus one that this is turning into. I was planning a christening for April and wondering if I've left it too late.

ErrolTheDragon Mon 24-Feb-14 19:06:26

>hellin seems to have conveniently forgotten that Jess said they slept together.

I thought she did ask Rob about that and of course he denied it and put on a sad face that she had for one moment believed Jess rather than trusting him (well, that's what the picture looked like to me for sure)

>was it Peggy that wouldn't tolerate the female vicar?
Her and Shula - who was also horrible when Usha married Alan. The worst sort of sexist, racist naice churchgoing type.

Will be quite funny if T&K organise their megabuck wedding and then half the people can't come because its midweek and most people have inflexible jobs/kids in school etc etc. I've forgotten their memorable date - if it's in the school hols that will mean more no-shows for families who've booked holidays. (I wouldn't wish that on Kirsty though)

ZeroSomeGameThingy Mon 24-Feb-14 19:12:14

Oooh - PC Plod again...

AllMimsyWereTheBorogroves Mon 24-Feb-14 19:14:16

It's been the mildest day of the year here in London. It's also not rained. I am laughing like a drain listening to the residents of Ambridge complaining about the bitter cold and the endless rain.

bigbadbarry Mon 24-Feb-14 19:35:11

-thought she did ask Rob about that and of course he denied it and put on a sad face that she had for one moment believed Jess rather than trusting him (well, that's what the picture looked like to me for sure)

Definitely. He had her apologising for not trusting him. (And why would she trust him, she's only known him 5 minutes and for most of that he was cheating on his wife.)
Was in the car listening to tonight's episode: I hope Kenton and Jolene aren't heading for a split? DD2 (aged 7) wanted to know if tom was on about sausages again!

BasketzatDawn Mon 24-Feb-14 19:58:01

Big date is 24th April! So exactly 2 months. Only recall it cos it's same week as my birthday. Easter is less than 2 weeks earlier - Good Friday is 18th - I looked it up, so quite possible other people will have prior plans. So many imaginary friends may be away. I do like Kirsty so hope her wedding goes well. Though she is just a story character, I know. smile

BasketzatDawn Mon 24-Feb-14 20:06:22

The way I see the whole conflict thing at Bridge Farm is that it's a story, you need conflict, if nowt happened it would be very boring indeed. The script ideas have to be believable, in this case they are. I believe they are anyway. We all know people in real life like Tony and Pat and Tom. If I heard the story elsewhere I wouldn't necessarily agree with Tony, but in this case I do - partly cos we as the listeners know some of the back story. I feel Tony was 'down' for so long, sad about the cows going, pissed off about his pushy son, he just needs a break. And he has one now! It may not work out brilliantly with the new cattle, more conflict to come, but 'ideas man' had run roughshod over his parents for so long, it's good to see/hear the fightback IMO.

mummytime Tue 25-Feb-14 04:31:37

Schools around here are all back by 24th (late Easter so it's at the end of the Holiday), so I guess we'll have to turn down the invite!

nauticant Tue 25-Feb-14 10:22:43

Last night there was more development of the storyline of Tom and Kirsty's wedding heading towards (an as of yet unexplained) financial doom:

"never mind about the money ... stop worrying, let's book it"

Toomuchtea Tue 25-Feb-14 10:48:03

Yes, I'm sure they're heading towards financial doom with the wedding. Perhaps they will be Saved with the (satisfying enormous) profit from Tony's cows.

We did organise our wedding in under six weeks, and that was midweek. But it was all considerably more low key than Tom and Kirsty. Not even on the same planet, now I come to think.

BoreOfWhabylon Tue 25-Feb-14 10:57:28

Looking forward to hearing Chipolata Boy applying to the Bank of Gran (again!) to fund the wedding.

nauticant Tue 25-Feb-14 11:44:32

This doesn't even require Tony's bovine venture to be a roaring success because it'll allow him to respond to criticism from Tom with "is this a lecture about financial prudence from the boy who has to get bailed out by his nana every few years?"

ComposHat Tue 25-Feb-14 12:02:36

Yes he has made serial withdrawals from the bank of Peggoi hasn't he? He got her to buy Brian out (after he lost patience with Tom) and was there another occasion too?

ZeroSomeGameThingy Tue 25-Feb-14 12:14:47

I must say, much as I'm loving new Archers, the wedding scenario is looking increasingly unrealistic. The scale of the thing they're planning would suggest a year's advance notice, save the date flurries, limousine reservations - wedding planners. You surely cannot arrange a wedding at a place of such unheard of grandeur that we've never heard of it hmm in a mere two months?

I do wonder what nemesis is stalking Tom. It's interesting, as someone said above, that Peggy has not actually handed over a penny yet. (I would totally love it if the engaged couple were forced to start married life living actually under P and T's roof. But I don't suppose it could get that bad....)

where are they living at the moment? in will grundy's buy-to-let?

ppeatfruit Tue 25-Feb-14 12:38:15

Next door to it IIRC Willie.

AllMimsyWereTheBorogroves Tue 25-Feb-14 12:40:56

No, in it. Next door is Amside's buy-to-let where Darell He Who Must Not Be Named and the beautiful Albanian spy used to live with their gerrrrrls.

ppeatfruit Tue 25-Feb-14 12:47:12

OOh AllMimsy my memory is not correct then grin so if everything goes pear shaped with the wedding of the year there's a possibility of them being kicked out by Will? grin

ZeroSomeGameThingy Tue 25-Feb-14 12:55:29

It's perhaps more likely that they may give early notice, in anticipation of a house purchase, and then find they have nothing with which to carry out said purchase. And in the meantime Will could agree a new let. (Oh I do hope so...)

MissMilliment Tue 25-Feb-14 12:58:38

And what, may I ask, is remotely eco-warrior about flying all the way to Costa Rica for a honeymoon?

I like it that it's Rooth who's so delighted to have Jill running the house for her and it's David having doubts. Makes a change from the usual Mother/daughter in law conflicts.

presumably pat and tony have helen and henry's room(s) free...

and the grundys are feeling insecure about hazel now owning their house too so may want to look elsewhere

AllMimsyWereTheBorogroves Tue 25-Feb-14 13:17:19

I want them to end up in the grotty old caravan where Sharon Richards lived decades ago. Or in the birdwatching hide up at the lake at Arkwright Hall.

ZeroSomeGameThingy Tue 25-Feb-14 13:20:36

Oooh yes - I do remember suggesting that Will might buy his parents' house for them from Hazel. But he might have to sell his investment house to do it. Or, of course, if Eddie and Clarrie face eviction he might offer to move them into No 1 The Green.....

WipsGlitter Tue 25-Feb-14 13:49:04

Listening on catch up - Rooth's reaction to cottage pie was hilarious, she's mincing some lamb Rooth, not splitting the atom!!

What do we think is going to be the come uppance for Tom and all this mad overspending??

Shallishanti Tue 25-Feb-14 13:55:21

Re Jolene and Kenton, I don't think are in danger of splitting up.
I think what we are seeing there is a healthy relationship that can withstand conflict, where there is actual trust - not undermined by either party doing stupid things- remember when she spoke to Helen in the pub toilet- explaining that Kenton doesn't bat an eyelid when she flirts with the customers (hopefully Helen will remember that when Rob starts accusing her of looking at other men)- also she apparently genuinely likes Jill and doesn't see her as an enemy/rival.

bigbadbarry Tue 25-Feb-14 13:55:49

I think he'll have to eat humble pie and build on the farm after all. Though I don't know who will pay for that.