Big Farma in Little Ambridge - come and talk The Archers talk

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PseudoBadger Wed 02-Oct-13 23:01:17

New thread for the beginning of the pheasant season.

Selks Wed 02-Oct-13 23:04:56


PseudoBadger Wed 02-Oct-13 23:07:35

I loved Nic's obvious annoyance at Will mentioning that it was the start of the new shooting season on their daughter's birthday grin

JollyGolightly Wed 02-Oct-13 23:15:56

Good title, as long as not a metaphor for the relationship between Hellin and Rob.

ErrolTheDragon Wed 02-Oct-13 23:19:11


WhatSheSaid Thu 03-Oct-13 00:53:33

Marking my place.

When Emma was bring all sniffy about her 'two NVQs in catering" she sounded just like her mother smile

PseudoBadger Thu 03-Oct-13 03:03:23

It could be like Only Fools and Horses:

"Emma's got two NVQs"
"That doesn't matter, we'll find something for her to do" grin

Gigondas Thu 03-Oct-13 08:00:04

Emma achieved the impossible as made her mum look ok with that comment.

Somethingyesterday Thu 03-Oct-13 09:05:59

I like Susan. She tries so hard at everything. The pity is Emma has inherited all of her worst characteristics and none of Neil's admirable ones.

Wonder if evil stalking Carol (?) will turn up at Susan's birthday party. She doesn't have a history of waiting for an invitation.

ppeatfruit Thu 03-Oct-13 09:11:35

Thanks you sooo much psuedo for the new thread (especially as you've got a rather a lot going on in RL ATM lots of luck with it !!)

I was going to say to you lot stop taking the piss out of NVQs and then I remembered Emmur's terrible attempt at cooking when they were going through the 'too poor to eat' storyline and thought how come the SWs forgot that she's got qualifications which SHOULD make her able to effing cook FGS!! Unless it was an attempt at irony on their behalf but I very much doubt it.

ErrolTheDragon Thu 03-Oct-13 10:06:31

'evil stalking Carol' [confuse] no idea who you're talking about - who would stalk Susan?

Panzee Thu 03-Oct-13 10:15:07

I suppose the only downside of the Grundys (Grundies? grin) coming back into the spotlight is whiny Emmur.

Somethingyesterday Thu 03-Oct-13 10:15:13

Errol Carol (I think that was her name...) wasn't stalking Susan - she was stalking Susan's life.

As I remember it, she became friendly with Susan in prison but was released ahead of her. Can't remember if Susan asked her to get in touch with Neil - but she did. At first she was just friendly but then she turned creepy and clearly wanted everything Susan had.

This is one of the reasons Neil has my respect. He was relentlessly loyal to his wife in very testing circumstances.

ppeatfruit Thu 03-Oct-13 11:31:07

I vaguely remember that Something You've got an amazing memory grin

Somethingyesterday Thu 03-Oct-13 11:45:21

Hadn't thought of Carol for ages - until the party invitations episode last week. Poor Susan would be mortified to have that all dragged up again. But if the SWs have gone to the effort of looking this up I suspect there's more trouble to come.

MrsCampbellBlack Thu 03-Oct-13 11:51:25

Poor Susan having her party at The Bull, she really wanted Grey Gables didn't she.

Do you all reckon that Ed will eventually get fed up with emma and her horrid ways? I think he's only stuck with her for so long as he annoyed so many people by getting together with her, well he'd feel an idiot to then finish it.

Leaptheditch Thu 03-Oct-13 11:57:42

Emma is awful isn't she. The pay back for having been the young totty, you only go on to be likeable if posh like Alice.

I enjoyed all the extra guff with mat in Russia. It all seems a bit flat at the moment, awful Emma, worried Caroline, dreadful daryl, saint Shula... I want cheery Nigel back some roguish Brian moments and more fun. Kenton is oddly sensible too now. Maybe 25 years is too much listening!

I don't remember the Carol story either confused

but yes, she must have been mentioned for a reason

that Tracy is such a madam, who knows what she might do/have done...?

Somethingyesterday Thu 03-Oct-13 12:53:09

I think it's more than likely that Carol will invite herself, rather than Tracy inviting her.

And I'm still hoping that Neil will secretly have booked Grey Gables for the party. (Or GG may suddenly have a special offer on function rooms....)

ppeatfruit Thu 03-Oct-13 13:02:56

I'm feeling thick here why would Tracey have anything to do with stalker Carol?

Somethingyesterday Thu 03-Oct-13 13:11:42

grin Late night ppea?

Tracy was helping Emma put together a guest list for Susan's birthday party. One if them mentioned Carol but Susan turned pale (and prob thought of unsupported cliff jumping...)

I think it was a way of introducing Carol to the story...

ppeatfruit Thu 03-Oct-13 13:18:30

Oh thanks Something I'll listen soon.

Please mrs script writer no more effing misery stories to add to the pile pretty pleeease. grin

choccyp1g Thu 03-Oct-13 18:45:49

No, something they did it just to prove that they do read the backstory occasionally, even if only for the purpose of ignoring it entirely. Tracey also mentioned Maureen, who tried to have an affair with Neil, surely all Susan's nemeses are not going to turn up at the party?

It would be more realistic for her criminal brother Clive or arsonist uncle(?)/other brother(?) Ken(?) to put in an appearance, but maybe they are safely locked away at present.

Somethingyesterday Thu 03-Oct-13 18:55:32

Oh - was it Maureen? Have I conflated the two? Sorry for misleading anyone. Somebody tried to make off with Susan's life while she was in prison.....

MrsCampbellBlack Thu 03-Oct-13 19:07:07

Could Kenton be any more insensitive?

That scene was just lovely - what TA does best - well written, everybody in character, & a smirk for the listeners smile

(Who's writing this week? It's not Keri by any chance?)

LondonMother Thu 03-Oct-13 20:41:39

No, it's Caroline Harrington. I'm enjoying this week. I keep getting behind and listening to several episodes back to back. Does anybody else find it's more enjoyable that way? Might even end up being an omnibus listener again...

Hope Pseudo is OK.

Somethingyesterday Thu 03-Oct-13 20:47:56

Yes - you're in our thoughts Pseudosmile

It was a nice episode tonight.

Thanks, LondonMother smile

She's very good anyway. Emma's 2 NVQs, Kenton's turns tonight, & Lynda's sniffs, go a long way towards making it worth listening again!

TallGiraffe Thu 03-Oct-13 21:44:33

I'm a day behind but the Darryl thing is still bothering me! Thanks to all on the previous thread who answered my query btw.

1. Why is Darryl homeless in Ambridge? It must be costing him money going between job centre / Elona's place to drop off money / Ambridge. There are no jobs/houses.

2. Why has Peggy not been included in this storyline?

3. Why has everyone suddenly forgotten they knew him pre- homelessness? In our village it woul be inconceivable for someone to sleep in a doorway that had previously been a resident. You aren't just neighbours in a village, you are proper friends that are useful in a crisis like the 12ft snowdrifts that we had earlier in the year

It makes sense to me - he is not & has never been a "villager" in the normal sense. He's an incomer & a strange one at that

TallGiraffe Thu 03-Oct-13 22:03:09

But in that case why is he still there? If he has no friends to rely on then surely his job/house prospects would be better served in a town?

WipsGlitter Thu 03-Oct-13 22:06:29

I agree with someone on the previous thread, I think Daryll either going to commit suicide or freeze to death.

Somethingyesterday Thu 03-Oct-13 22:09:12

Well I'll try q2.

I don't know what's in the SWs minds but I should think D would be going out of his way to avoid Peggy (while still inexplicably hanging around Ambridge...) Given how close his (ex) wife was to her, and the fact that Ilona had to leave the house Peggy arranged for her, because of the break up, he wouldn't expect a friendly welcome from her.

And on top of that the dog fighting was on Brian and Jennifer's farm. The SWs have written him into a very dark spot indeed.

Is he hanging around Ambridge because of his daughters?

PseudoBadger Thu 03-Oct-13 23:23:09

I'm fine thanks, don't worry about me smile

Bluestocking Thu 03-Oct-13 23:49:51

Lynda's pronunciation of "aperçu". Pure Archers gold.

LongDeadMotherofHorrors Thu 03-Oct-13 23:51:12

Anyone know why Clarrie's voice has changed recently - she sounds as though she has a sore throat all the time.

Different actor, LongDead (is that a Halloween name or are you really struggling? grin)

Kenton's impression of Lynda's aperçu was pretty good too, bluestocking!

Bluestocking Thu 03-Oct-13 23:58:27

Indeed it was. Kenton was on fine form, dropping clangers left and right.

LongDeadMotherofHorrors Fri 04-Oct-13 00:01:40

TheOneWithTheNicestSmile.....thanks for Clarriefying that one grin. Not struggling (though of course that is a matter of perspective), but switched name years ago for Hellow een and have not been on here sufficiently frequently to bother changing it again.

TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 04-Oct-13 09:50:21

Arf at Clarriefying
Marking place

TheSilverySoothsayer Fri 04-Oct-13 10:12:59

Ditto. Haven't heard yesterdays epi yet, but now looking forward to it...

ppeatfruit Fri 04-Oct-13 10:32:29

Yes I liked the 'let's stop Lynda from raising the tone' meeting too grin I reckon they should have a Mexican Hat dance evening complete with Pinata grin

How's this for solving the 'what shall we do with dead and nearly dead oldies and troublemakers' They hold the Harvest Supper in the Village hall (Jack has been given a night out to attend) where Darrell accidentally causes a fire killing the number of characters they need to kill!! sad shock

I got the idea from Hollyoaks where they got rid of some bad actors in a fire (DD1 worked on it)!!!

Somethingyesterday Fri 04-Oct-13 19:16:32

Oh good god! Is there somewhere I can hand in my notice?

MrsCampbellBlack Fri 04-Oct-13 19:16:44

Love! love! For goodness sakes.

I like Linda and get annoyed when the others take the piss the whole time, don't see any of them stepping up to do all the organising she does. Easy to be a critic. And saint jill really gets on my wick. (missed the end of last night's episode so maybe they were all terribly lovely to her)

I like Lynda too, but she doesn't half set herself up for mickey-taking!

(& I hope to god that as Tom & Kirsty don't need to be clandestine we will be spared more audible snogs <spit>)

MrsCampbellBlack Fri 04-Oct-13 19:20:51

God, I take this all way tooo seriously wink

itried Fri 04-Oct-13 19:23:02

Hoorah, Mrs CampbellB! Someone else who finds Jill insufferable!

MrsCampbellBlack Fri 04-Oct-13 19:23:13

Can you imagine kirsty posting in relationships - not sure Tom would be considered a safe bet

TallGiraffe Fri 04-Oct-13 20:45:20

Would it be considered very naughty for us to do a spoof relationship thread as either Kirsty or Hellin and see what people said? grin

olivia you'd be up for this right...?

Bluestocking Fri 04-Oct-13 21:49:45

I can't stand Jill either. She personifies passive-aggressive. And I never liked Phil either.

I am ambivalent about Jill. I remember vividly all that nonsense when David & Ruth were in the bungalow & she kept dropping in & 'helping out' - always wanted to slap her then

but otoh she has some pleasant motherly moments...(my mum died when I was 21 so I have orphan envy grin)

Somethingyesterday Fri 04-Oct-13 22:25:06


You didn't like Phil? You don't like Jill?

Did you get lost on your way to somewhere entirely other?

PseudoBadger Sat 05-Oct-13 06:59:51

Jill annoys me with her "oh!!" expression that she wheels out when shocked.

PseudoBadger Sat 05-Oct-13 07:00:21

But I'd take 100 Jills over that old witch Peggy grin

MrsCampbellBlack Sat 05-Oct-13 07:15:34

Yes, Peggy is truly awful. Jill just thinks she's right about everything and everyone else seems to think she's perfect.

Linda can be silly I know but has show real compassion and empathy for other characters over the years. Of course the scriptwriters forget this and just go back to making her silly.

Somethingyesterday Sat 05-Oct-13 07:45:57

No I have to disagree about Peggy. She is an example of bravery, resilience determination...

A drunken first husband, wayward children, Jack's Alzheimer's.... She lives alone despite having had a stroke. She's well off but scoffs at snobbery in her children. (She's prone to reminding Jennifer of their earlier life living at The Bull. And I seem to remember that Fallon was pretty surprised at her capability when Peggy "babysat" her at the Bull while Jolene and Sid were away.) She copes with Brian - with humour.

She almost always sees not just the difficulty but the solution. She's generous, supportive of her grandchildren, keeps up to date with technology and is still eager for whatever life has to offer.

What's to dislike?

Primadonnagirl Sat 05-Oct-13 08:03:22

Relatively new listener.2/3 years..shocked that Susan went to prison...what on earth for?!

Somethingyesterday Sat 05-Oct-13 08:12:42

Kindness. Loyalty. Naivety.

I think her brother was either in prison and escaped or on the run pre-prison. He turned up at her house and, although she was terrified, she allowed him to hide out there. Eventually (someone say if I'm misremembering...) she shopped him to the police.

It was pretty awful. There was a national uproar because no-one thought she should have been imprisoned.

ppeatfruit Sat 05-Oct-13 08:23:45

Aaah primadonna Susan has a shit of a brother (she is a social climber from a large fairly dysfunctional working class family) Cloive had escaped jail or probation or something and landed on her doorstep and somehow threatens her to make her hide him and she gets into trouble for it ending up in prison. Sorry i can't remember some of the details.

Somethingyesterday Sat 05-Oct-13 08:40:15

grin ppea Yours is so much more..... poetic.

The fact that you hadn't picked up on her past imprisonment Primadonna is because the entire village supported her and backed a campaign to have her released. So they don't treat her as a "jailbird". She retains the (somewhat patronising) respect (for general try-hardness) that she had before the episode. Her husband is also well respected, as is her son. (Emma not so much...)

Although the village very definitely looks down on the rest of her Horrobin family.

ppeatfruit Sat 05-Oct-13 08:47:47

Aw shucks thanks Something grin

CuttedUpPear Sat 05-Oct-13 09:30:51

TallGiraffe please do the Tom & Kirsty thread, it would be most amusing.

LondonMother Sat 05-Oct-13 10:03:44

Do it in AIBU, not in Relationships. Somebody did a Helen thread once before and I thought it was hilarious. Not everyone was amused, though, especially those who didn't immediately see what it was!

There was a national FREE THE AMBRIDGE ONE campaign grin

LondonMother Sat 05-Oct-13 10:22:23

Here is the Helen thread.

Impomea Sat 05-Oct-13 11:11:14

Love this thread it's so lively and informative.
I don't pay enough attention as TA is on at dinner time here when we are supposed to be conversing as a family !
Thank's for the Helin thread -brilliant.

I was just googling to try to find more inf about the Susan/Clive thing (but iirc he had held up the village shop/PO - with a gun maybe? - when Kate Aldridge (?) & at least one older person were there, & then gone on the run, & that was when Susan hid him)

anyway look what came up

Clive Horobin, Group Retail Space Executive at Primark Stores Ltd

Poor bloke - I bet he gets some stick grin

Somethingyesterday Sat 05-Oct-13 13:12:27

Yes! Apologies TallG I actually fell asleep last night thinking of Kirstie's pitiful (hopeful?) post - but completely failed to comment this morning. (Too busy defending lovely Peggy...)

The hold-up at the village shop is right on the very edge of my memory... Along with David (as an adult) calling out "Mummy!" in his sleep after Jill had been in danger. Was that the same story or something else?

LondonMother Sat 05-Oct-13 13:36:40

It all tends to run into one in my memory, but Clive came back ?about 10 years ago and injured some horses in the Stables because he thought George and Christine Barford were still there. Then he set fire to the Barfords' house when Christine and Jill were inside. I think David rescued them. All very nasty but not genuinely frightening because it was so OTT.

I don't think Jill was at the PO raid, but there was the fire at the Barfords' house later (Clive again, with his grudge against George) & I have a feeling Jill was there with Chris, & David rescued them? something like that

X-post, Londonmother! grin

LondonMother Sat 05-Oct-13 13:37:39

....all because George B had some role in getting him put away years earlier.

they do like an OTT fire drama on the Archers grin

Somethingyesterday Sat 05-Oct-13 13:49:03

Ah! Yes - that horse business was nasty. I think I was quite worried for peoples' safety. And David's conversation with his mother afterwords - having thought she might die - was quite touching.

LondonMother Sat 05-Oct-13 14:56:42

Yes, they like super-dramatic stuff but what they don't take into account is that the pictures in our heads only go so far. It's usually super-confusing what's happening. When Kathy was raped, it was actually extremely clear what was happening, which made it particularly harrowing to listen to. But when the special effects team are playing every crackly fire noise tape they've found in the BBC sfx library and half a dozen actors are shouting over the top, it just gets muddled. Stick to change-counting, BBC!

Somethingyesterday Sat 05-Oct-13 15:56:14

Agree about pictures in our heads. I don't generally watch TV so TA does tend to stick in my head. For years.....

(Usually cba to correct mis-types but I meant "afterwards" above...)

ppeatfruit Sat 05-Oct-13 16:11:42

BTW my idea for a Village Hall fire was a joke (in case we're being read by producers or SWs of TA) Pleese don't bring TA down to the level of effing Hollyoaks.

I said that because the GBBO thread is being read by someone who's working on the show!!! shock

Dillytante Sat 05-Oct-13 16:23:56

Marking thread for later - I'm an omnibus listener smile

Bluestocking Sat 05-Oct-13 20:25:43

Hi Somethingyesterday! No, not lost on my way somewhere else. It's quite fun to dislike soap characters, and doesn't carry the guilt of disliking real people. I just find Jill simperingly bland, and because she is neither witty nor cursed with major character flaws, she never gets any good lines. There's a limit to how many differnt ways an actor can say "that was a lovely sermon, Alan".
I do like Lyndibots, and Susan "Radio" Carter, and Lilian and Matt, and Brian and Jennydarling, and Hellqueen, for all sorts of different reasons. I am looking forward to the denouement of Hellqueen's lying about the jewellery classes - imagine having the rainbow necklace of Damocles hanging over your head. Or has that already happened? My listening is a bit sporadic.
Does anyone else feel terribly sorry for Kirsty, having declared that she's always loved the Sausage Baron? What a terrible fate, brought on (I'm sure) only by the shortage of eligible men in Ambridge.

Somethingyesterday Sat 05-Oct-13 21:01:47

Fair enuff..... I guess Jill has been a little underwritten since Phil died. (As well as superhumanly fit and well.) I think of her as quite a strong character but admit that isn't generally made audible.

Don't get me started (again) on the Tom and Kirstie nonsense....

PseudoBadger Sat 05-Oct-13 21:05:08

Ah yes Jill's staple roles. Honey or bees? Stir up Sunday? Church? Better call Saul Jill grin

Bluestocking Sat 05-Oct-13 21:14:42

Oh yes, Pseudo, Stir Up Sunday must be almost upon us. Jill will be making 30,000 cakes and puddings for her family of non-cooking gannets. Pip will doubtless return from wherever it is she has gone to have a stir and share a Hallmark moment with Gran. We will all have a little chuckle about Rooth's shortcomings in the cooking department, and become a little teary-eyed thinking about Phil and how much he loved playing the church organ for the Christingle service.

PseudoBadger Sat 05-Oct-13 21:22:31

Kirsty was written up very well over on the 'new' ML board.
So basically she's been kept in Ambridge for Tom. Kept in a dead end several part time jobs black hole (one of which ensures constant Tom contact), given several boyfriends to show she's attractive, ripe to become 'the one' once Tom has stopped all that Brenda nonsense. They'll be married soon with a sprog on the way.

ppeatfruit Sun 06-Oct-13 08:46:56

Good I LIKE Kirsty and Tom is not that bad grin BTW what's your news on the sprog front psuedo ?????

PseudoBadger Sun 06-Oct-13 08:51:55

If I make it through today then I turn up at hospital tomorrow at 12pm and await my section....

TallGiraffe Sun 06-Oct-13 08:55:25

Good luck for the next 24h Pseudo, I loved my ELCS so hope yours is as good. 8lb 6 is my bet for weight grin

Somethingyesterday Sun 06-Oct-13 08:58:55

Morning Pseudo - Wishing you a peaceful day.brew

PseudoBadger Sun 06-Oct-13 11:35:34


ppeatfruit Sun 06-Oct-13 11:55:22

Bon Chance Psued grin `I really liked the ending of TA omni (even a little a tear shock) Do we reckon that Darrell is going to take up Shula's offer NOW?

Marking my place

MrsCampbellBlack Sun 06-Oct-13 16:41:02

What's with all the mentions of fb from Shula etc - has someone been on a social media course or something?

Pseudo - good luck! I loved my electives.

puggle01 Sun 06-Oct-13 19:25:23

I'm grinding my teeth at this subtext that Darryl has never been in a naice house with a sit down Sunday lunch as a family
However Emmur being an bitching witch is always enjoyable I find

CuttedUpPear Sun 06-Oct-13 22:21:56

What the jeff is wrong with Shula? Why can't she accept Darryl as a houseguest and just get on with things? Her going to pieces over his looking at a lock that needed fixing at lunchtime was pathetic.

R4 Sun 06-Oct-13 23:32:55

Jill is so bland and nothing. She's not even good for Stir Up Sunday now that the grandchildren have grown up. The SUS crown was passed to Clarrie a few years ago.

I think that Shula and Darrell need to have a chat about House Rules. They seem have no idea on how to 'be' when the other is around.

Good luck Pseudo!

TheSilverySoothsayer Mon 07-Oct-13 01:09:13

They are both mightily embarrassed.

But wait till Darren gets his tools back and shows what he is made of grin

TheSilverySoothsayer Mon 07-Oct-13 01:11:07

(Hmm. You might imagine a stables would have some tools. But not as good as Darryl's. (I seem to have Endora (from Bewitched) Syndrome.)

kiriwawa Mon 07-Oct-13 05:07:45

Aha - here you all are smile

Finally Tom'n'Kirsty! I suspect that this will make Hellin desperate to bring her and rob into the open. Can't wait for rainbow necklace gate and hope sanctimonious Pat refuses to babysit ever again grin

I do like Peggy but found her `no female vicar' stance a bit hard to stomach. I think the Darryl storyline is going to be resolved at Xmas. What's happened to his other daughter incidentally?

kiriwawa Mon 07-Oct-13 05:09:27

And Pseudo - hope today has gone wellsmile

kiriwawa Mon 07-Oct-13 05:11:45

sorry, GOES well! Have some brew and thanks and cake for later. IME you'll be longing for them

PseudoBadger Mon 07-Oct-13 05:17:48

Just having tea and crumpets now (no food after 5.30) grin

MrsCampbellBlack Mon 07-Oct-13 06:23:20

Very wise Pseudo!

TallGiraffe Mon 07-Oct-13 07:39:02

I just popped on to say good luck Pseudo!

ppeatfruit Mon 07-Oct-13 08:17:16

yes cuttedpear It's obviously a SW ploy to have poor old darrell chucked out from the stables .I didn't put Shula down as SUCH a control freak; i'm getting pee'd off with this.

I think Nic has the patience of a saint. Why doesnt she tell Emma to stop bitching?

I too am finding the Darrell and Saint Shula storyline to be utterly tedious.

R4 Mon 07-Oct-13 08:30:37

Her going to pieces over his looking at a lock that needed fixing at lunchtime was pathetic.

I think the problem is that she hadn't thought it through (see also comment on House Rules). Darrell has been wandering around the village asking for work. Shula said that there was none at the stables. She can't suddenly now discover work that did need doing all along.
However, if she was really kind, she could find a way through. Mumble something about not noticing the rotten wood and let Darrell get on with feeling he is not a sponger, he is a useful member of society again.

R4 Mon 07-Oct-13 08:33:27

I too am finding the Darrell and Saint Shula storyline to be utterly tedious.

Doesn't that go for a lot of the storylines atm? It's a by-product of this concentrating on one or two stories/characters and thereby losing the 'wholeness' of village life.

ppeatfruit Mon 07-Oct-13 08:36:25

Agree about Nic and Emmur; Nic is too diplomatic round her (though it's understandable) about time Ed jnr. had a word with his wife (OMG i just had a thought are they married?)

Somethingyesterday Mon 07-Oct-13 09:01:51

flowersGood luck Pseudoflowers

Why am I the only person who understood enjoyed Sunday at the stables? I thought it was excellent. Darrell's desperate anxiety was, imo, beautifully portrayed. And Shula's inability to cope with someone in such a state of neediness, shock and trauma only made things worse. Every time she gave him another direction about how to be - "sit here"; "go there" he was (and I was) terrified that she wanted to have "the talk". About "finding somewhere else." Brilliant and excruciating.

ppeatfruit Mon 07-Oct-13 09:27:31

Yes thinking about it you're right but Shula is a mother of a teenager FFS she should have some idea maybe she's trying too hard with Darrell.

Somethingyesterday Mon 07-Oct-13 09:48:43

Thing is Shula's teenager has never been in need. In fact I doubt she has ever come across anyone - socially - who has as little as he does. No rich family to fall back on; no years and years of the sort of schooling that helps to build in resilience and ... is "moral fibre" what I mean? Darrell clearly bends with every wind; it's got him into so much trouble before. It doesn't seem to make a difference to him whether power is being exerted for good or evil - he seems always to place himself in a subservient position.

Oh, no - I don't think Ed and Emma are married. Which is probably part of why she's so lemon-y with Nic. I think she and Ed would have to run away and get married very quietly, far away.

Re Peggy - completely agree that she often takes a questionable stance on things. But she's not incapable of learning. Didn't she make an exception for some recent church event?

MrsCampbellBlack Mon 07-Oct-13 10:32:55

Nic can snap - she did before her personality transplant with George. Bit snide of Ed to say poppy was a funny looking thing too - I never get why people think he's so wonderful.

kiriwawa Mon 07-Oct-13 10:55:35

Oh yes MrsCB - I couldn't believe they were all being so unkind in the pub and sniggering about the baby's name. Although Will is insufferable.

Oops it is indeed Darrell. I've never seen it spelled like that blush

ppeatfruit Mon 07-Oct-13 11:41:30

Something that's what Ed n' Emm SHOULD do but wouldn't Emm want a 'showy' wedding?

There are people with weak personalities from every walk of life it's just that Darrell has no back up as you say. Though very wealthy families do sometimes 'kick' out certain members.

Agree about Ed jnr. MrsCampbell* he is sexier than Will though. grin

Somethingyesterday Mon 07-Oct-13 11:51:22

grin Re name spellings! I've spelt almost every name three different ways at least here. Sometimes I look them up on the BBC site - but then I forget what I've read....

Ed really is lovely. But the SWs don't know it and are including him in the generic character wipe-out.

ErrolTheDragon Mon 07-Oct-13 12:47:57

It could just be that Poppy really is a funny-looking baby - some are you know. The SW are setting up a long game of similar-aged cousins - the beauteous Keira will nick boyfriends off the feisty little Poppy (and/or vv)

ppeatfruit Mon 07-Oct-13 14:27:49

Nick did say that Poppy looks like Will didn't she? grin Errol

choccyp1g Mon 07-Oct-13 14:30:13

Anyone else think we are heading for some sort of health problem with Poppy? Nic was enthusing about how lucky they are to have a HEALTHY baby (subtext...unlike Bethany).

Ironic if Poppy ends up with some horrid illness....imagine if she died...why us, it's not fair, wail, wail, ... (subtext it should have happened to Bethany not our perfect (pink) Poppy...)

I feel very mean suggesting it. But SWs have to get their ideas from somewhere.

[reminder to self: they.are.not.real.people]

ppeatfruit Mon 07-Oct-13 14:40:26

You may right choccy she was quite mean about Bethany too wasn't she?

MrsCampbellBlack Mon 07-Oct-13 15:48:09

I reckon poppy will be the beauty of the family - nic and will are clearly not as gorgeous as emmur and ed, and well, I reckon they'll switch the roles for the next generation.

Emmur is very proud of being a looker and she would not be able to cope if Poppy has more material stuff than keira and is also prettier than her.

I do so wish Ed had stuck with Fallon.

ppeatfruit Mon 07-Oct-13 16:10:49

Is Mia a looker I wonder?

Blu Mon 07-Oct-13 16:15:51

Sorry to butt in, I am only able to listen to The Archers in short bursts.

A couple of months ago there was a storyline about a woman having a relationship with a man - she was a single mother because she kept having to ask her Mum to babysit, and she pretended she was going to jewellry classes. Why coouldn't she just tell her Mum the truth? And...after she gave her Mum a necklace that she pretended she had made, did the predicatable happen and her Mum saw one the same in the shop?

Could somene kindly fill me in? Thank you!

ErrolTheDragon Mon 07-Oct-13 16:23:48

Blu - the single mother is Helen, she can't tell her mother (Pat Archer) the truth because the bloke she's having the affair with is Rob, the herd manager for Brian's mega dairy - a married man but also a Big Farma, so organic Pat and Tony don't like him.

Helen's duplicity nearly came to light when Pat entered the necklace in the Ambridge show, and Lynda arrived wearing identical item - Rob headed her off at the pass, heroically pretending to be fascinated by llamas.

There, hope that makes sense grin

ppeatfruit Mon 07-Oct-13 16:58:02

Blu We're STILL waiting for the denouement the SWs are 'avin' a laugh IMO!

Blu Mon 07-Oct-13 17:01:34

oooh, I see!
Thank you. I will try and listen to more episodes.

LOL at Big Farma - is that a MNism?

Helen has a complex past. In addition to an unhealthy obsession with cheese, she had relationship with the dour Greg, gamekeeper. Will was his apprentice. Greg suffered from depression and had many arguments with his ex wife etc. Ultimately he shot himself. In the wake of his suicide Helen developed anorexia. She had also of course struggled to cope with the death of her brother John. She was hospitalised but made what was frankly a miracle recovery. She then lurched from disaster to crisis menwise and finally decided that what she really wanted was a baby.
So the Ambridge fertility fairy stepped in and the AI clinic had a cancellation which bumped her to the top of the list AND she got pg first time. Pat and particularly Tony found it hard to accept. Shortly after Christmas when she was about 36-37 weeks pg she and the rest of the clan went to Lower Loxley for some festive cheer. Alan the vicar's daughter, Amy, who is a midwife, noticed her very swollen ankles and complaint of a headache and insisted on taking her to hospital. Pre-eclampsia was diagnosed and Baby Henry delivered. At about the same time Nigel plunged off the roof on to the ancestral cobbles........

Pat is very protective of Helen really. Having lost one child she cannot bear anything to happen to the other two and she knows that Helen is (still) very fragile.

Somethingyesterday Mon 07-Oct-13 19:03:49

Amazing. Continuity has just given a veiled warning about Helen and Rob. grin

ErrolTheDragon Mon 07-Oct-13 19:25:13

I heard that and then my DH, who's away, chose that moment to phone me. I'll have to try to catch the repeat tomorrow.

Somethingyesterday Mon 07-Oct-13 19:38:42

He rang you during TA?


LondonMother Mon 07-Oct-13 19:47:44

Took the words out of my mouth, Something! I can truthfully say that not one single member of my family would ring me between 7.02 and 7.15 except in the case of a dire emergency. When my daughter's appendix perforated it was a mark of how seriously ill she was that I switched off TA to call the ambulance. (She made a full recovery, btw, and I caught up with the omnibus.)

ErrolTheDragon Mon 07-Oct-13 19:51:06

I knew someone would say that grin.

PseudoBadger Mon 07-Oct-13 19:59:02

Sorry for delay, they do electives in the basement so not reception! Caoimhe Lily born 17:11 weight 7lb 1oz. Not the most fun section in terms of cannulation and epidural siting but she's worth it. Also a pre eclampsia bite just before with very high BP and ++ urine got the medics all excited!

MrsCampbellBlack Mon 07-Oct-13 20:00:42

Congratulations smile

Somethingyesterday Mon 07-Oct-13 20:15:12

Many Congratulations! flowers

(And you managed an Archers name!)

LondonMother Mon 07-Oct-13 20:34:39

Congratulations, Pseudo! Don't risk listening to tonight's episode until your blood pressure is right down. Helen was bemoaning how awful it is being the OW. I wanted to push her into a vat of her own cheese.

kiriwawa Mon 07-Oct-13 20:44:35

Yay Badger! Congratulations to you for getting through the drama and producing a lovely baby and welcome little Caoimhe smile Such a pretty name and a good size too!

I hope you've had celebratory wine and cake by now (I was frigging starving after my CS and no one brought me any food [mad]). Not that I'm still bitter 6 years later oh no blush

kiriwawa Mon 07-Oct-13 20:45:14

angry I mean angry

Although new babies are all about smile smile smile

TheSilverySoothsayer Mon 07-Oct-13 20:50:18

Congratulations Badger but how do you pronounce it?

PseudoBadger Mon 07-Oct-13 20:54:20

No food yet!!
It's pronounced Key-va

Yes, congratulations!!!! thanks

(& also, yes, how do you pronounce it? Cave???)


Keeva or Kayva? Both v pretty anyway smile

Hope you get some food soon - it's a long day

(4 CS veteran!)

TheSilverySoothsayer Mon 07-Oct-13 21:04:28

Best toast and cuppa I ever had was after giving birth grin (not CS though) Enjoy your grub when it comes, and your 'beautiful, gentle, precious' LO.

Macarooned Mon 07-Oct-13 21:15:25

Oh exciting news, congrats PB thanks
<TA thread lurker here>

R4 Mon 07-Oct-13 21:54:39

Aw, congratulations PB. If you are short of baby clothes I hear that Viccqui has some lovely pinky, sparkly, princessy ones that she would love to foist on you going spare.grin

ErrolTheDragon Mon 07-Oct-13 22:50:10

Oh lovely, well done badger flowers

heronsfly Tue 08-Oct-13 07:06:26

Congratulations Pseudo thanks

ppeatfruit Tue 08-Oct-13 08:33:20

Yes let me add my felicitatons psuedo grin Such a busy thread! A very unusual name, are you gaelic or have relations who are? Shame Nic beat you !!

YY R4 because Nic didn't seem very keen on the loverley pink dresses I wonder why grin

Blu Tue 08-Oct-13 09:07:21

This is a marvellous thread - new babies - Congratulations Badger - and old storylines. I might have to start listening to the Archers regularly just so I can be part of this thread. Although I think your summaries might be even better than the real thing - PMSL at 'ancestral cobbles'.

guineapiglet Tue 08-Oct-13 11:43:26

Congratulations from over here as well, always lovely to have such happy newsthanks

Also looks like good news finally for Kathy, as many predicted, lets hope she gets the job at GG and that the Golf Club goes into administration under Martin's expert leadership.
Is tonight Darrell's last official night with Shula. It will be interesting to see if she turfs him out/he goes voluntarily etc.

choccyp1g Tue 08-Oct-13 12:12:39

Congratulations PseudoBadger. Enjoy your little one, hopefully she will already be trained to sleep at the sound of Dum-te-Dum-te-Dum-te-Dum. flowers

LilacBreastedRoller Tue 08-Oct-13 13:11:11

Ahh, congrats Pseudo, gorgeous name flowers!

I admire your dedication to this thread. I haven't posted on this one yet because I've had my hands full with 7wo prem EMCS DS, but I haven't missed a single episode. I think the theme tune is definitely going into his brain. I do wish TA were better, though. This whole palaver with Kathy and GG has spun out for weeks what should have been the work of 2 minutes reported off-stage action. It's as if the writers are contemptuous of the listeners and think we won't notice or mind if the programme is incredibly boring. Don't get me wrong, I don't want Ambridge shaken to its core, but it's got to be the right KIND of boring.

LilacBreastedRoller Tue 08-Oct-13 13:15:11

Oh, and another thing. What was all that bollox about Poppy being a "surprise", because "I wasn't due for another week!". What mother of three or other Ambridge resident of sound mind and reasonable life experience thinks labour at 39 weeks is anything out of the ordinary?

ppeatfruit Tue 08-Oct-13 15:43:35

Well it would've surprised me to have a LO at 39 weeks .2 of mine were 40 plus 2 weeks and our 3rd was 1 day late (i know dates don't mean anything though) grin

MrsCampbellBlack Tue 08-Oct-13 18:58:58

So, do we think Joe/Eddie will take the GG offer - I think not! Eddie wants blood. Although I want to hear what David has to say - will he be the one who mentions that Joe was rather ummm drunk?

MrsCampbellBlack Tue 08-Oct-13 19:00:19

I also really want Kathy to sue the golf club - she clearly needs the money - come on Pat, persuade her or mention to Brine what happened.

Where are Brine and Jennydarling?

MrsCampbellBlack Tue 08-Oct-13 19:11:28

Keira is so advanced with her sticking!

Ha ha at Emma making it

ErrolTheDragon Tue 08-Oct-13 19:14:34

Oh, and susan looking young for her age because of her good genes (by implication passed on to Emma and Keira) grin

Somethingyesterday Tue 08-Oct-13 19:16:38

Clarrie is sounding much more like herself now.

But oh, poor Susan! Her party is going to be a disaster...

MrsCampbellBlack Tue 08-Oct-13 19:34:41

I missed the very beginning - did they mention how much joe had been offered?

TallGiraffe Tue 08-Oct-13 19:52:08

Congratulations Pseudo, gorgeous name. Hope you are recovering well.

£1500, Mrs CB (I think)

MrsCampbellBlack Wed 09-Oct-13 06:03:47

Oh that's not much is it?

R4 Wed 09-Oct-13 08:54:24

Don't get me wrong, I don't want Ambridge shaken to its core, but it's got to be the right kind of boring.

<nods in agreement>
Hit the nail right on the head.

ppeatfruit Wed 09-Oct-13 09:32:16

YYYY grin R4

CarolineKnappShappey Wed 09-Oct-13 14:16:46

Congrats Badger!

I am getting more cross about how they are turning Emmur into such a bitch. She never used to be that bad.
And Will is such a tosspot

No, she didn't, & I can't believe nobody is pulling her up on it now hmm

Did I really hear her say something like Poppy's not George's sister, he already has a sister? (Wasn't listening properly)

BirdingWidow Wed 09-Oct-13 15:14:05

Mostly a lurker, though rather enjoying Emmur's spite...

Just emerging from the shadows to congratulate Pseudo. smile

Somethingyesterday Wed 09-Oct-13 15:44:44

I think Emma said something like "George already has a sister..." (So Poppy was nothing to get excited about...)

Emma used to be rather lovely. Somewhat indecisive and directionless but at least vaguely worth fighting for. And worthy of the even lovelier Ed. I'm not sure if it's motherhood that's changed her or "just" SW wrongness. She's certainly had a lot to contend with but it will be ridiculous if they don't soon write some dissent against her constant misery into the script.

Somethingyesterday Wed 09-Oct-13 15:49:52

I think Emma said something like "George already has a sister..." (So Poppy was nothing to get excited about...)

Emma used to be rather lovely. Somewhat indecisive and directionless but at least vaguely worth fighting for. And worthy of the even lovelier Ed. I'm not sure if it's motherhood that's changed her or "just" SW wrongness. She's certainly had a lot to contend with but it will be ridiculous if they don't soon write some dissent against her constant misery into the script.

Thanks, Something smile

Are they still living with Susan & Neil? The money thing (Will & Nic having so much) would eat away at you, I suppose, if you were a bit that way anyway.

ppeatfruit Wed 09-Oct-13 16:19:31

'They' also seem to be turning Clarrie into a potato; she deffo was always on the side of right and fairness (even poor Joe was trying to stand up to shitpot Ed snr.)

Somethingyesterday Wed 09-Oct-13 17:12:13

(Sorry about double post - though this time I'm certain it's the site.)

Yes, there was an odd moment yesterday when Clarrie should have said something brisk, and didn't. And then said it was up to Joe to decide how to proceed. As if......

MrsCampbellBlack Wed 09-Oct-13 17:49:02

Oh Clarrie was rubbish at the height of ed/will/emmur affair - when she basically told will he just had to accept that ed was George's now - like he was a toy to be passed around.

And I'm afraid I've never liked emma - remember her plotting to run away abroad with George and ed and not tell Will?

Somethingyesterday Wed 09-Oct-13 19:17:45

Are they channeling "The Caretaker"? Poor Darrell and his tools at this legendary mate's place....

And I'm surprised that such a seasoned professional as Caroline is so upset by a relatively minor accident. What on earth are "they" planning to do with Grey Gables?

ErrolTheDragon Wed 09-Oct-13 19:52:17

It was a bit plonkingly 'public service broadcasting' tonight, wasn't it?

Impomea Wed 09-Oct-13 21:48:46

Taken ages to catch up is MN slow today or is it my rubbish internet?
Congratulations PB !

ErrolTheDragon Wed 09-Oct-13 22:15:52

Yes, MN was slow tonight. Apparently a thread got mentioned in the media and went viral.

Somethingyesterday Wed 09-Oct-13 23:42:50

Finally we seem to be back to normal. I wrote such a beautiful post,hmmthorough, witty, closely argued. Was completely chewed up and discarded by internetness.

Something about "them" having read this thread and produced a super-quick re-write to make Shula look less clueless. Can't remember the rest.grin

ppeatfruit Thu 10-Oct-13 09:27:39

That's sad Something I wondered what was going on on here last night too ;which thread was it Errol?

WRF to Clarrie I don't remember that reaction during 'The Affair' MrsCampbell maybe she has a stultified imagination!

Somethingyesterday Thu 10-Oct-13 10:19:30

Nah! You really didn't miss anything by not having to read itgrin

I wonder if in future years Darrell will be looked on as a pillar of the community? Sir Local Building Magnate or Lord Charitable Benefactor... Didn't Jack and Sid begin as troubled or troublesome incomers? (Someone tell me where Brian sprang from...) All this Shula-endowed empowerment has to lead somewhere surely?

MrsCampbellBlack Thu 10-Oct-13 10:30:35

Could Darrell not go an do some of the renovation work at lower Loxley and then become Elizabeth's new boyfriend or a step too far wink

Its interesting how much I loathe emma and yet I rather love Brine whose behaviour was probably worse.

They are doing that thing where they are just making her so one dimensional - you can almost hear the booing and hissing as the appears.

R4 Thu 10-Oct-13 11:00:14

you can almost hear the booing and hissing as the appears.

<lightbulb goes on>
You mean, because we have no Christmas Panto, we have 1D-Emmur instead? It all makes sense now.grin

Somethingyesterday Thu 10-Oct-13 14:02:56

Oh, MrsC I like your thinking. Of course Shula should pass him on to her sister. There will be loads of work, if they can resist having Elizabeth hire some tiny Cornish firm who are the "only" people for the job.

And Darrell really needs a new community. Lower Loxley could surely provide him with accommodation - so his daughters could go and stay. I've forgotten the name of Julia's partner (runs the Art Gallery?) but he could take Darrell under his wing..... Possibilities are endless.

ppeatfruit Thu 10-Oct-13 14:31:15

Brilliant thinking MrsCampbell and Something Talking Lizzie's paramours what's happened to the gorgeous Ifti? iiwm i'd not have chucked him out 'cor grin

LondonMother Thu 10-Oct-13 15:29:18

Brilliant thinking, as long as he is so busy at LL that he becomes completely silent!

ppeatfruit Thu 10-Oct-13 15:54:03

Yeah and we can have Ifti back grin

GrendelsMum Thu 10-Oct-13 17:14:28

Oh, DH and I love Bitchy Emma.

Bitchy Emma seems to be the only thing causing DH to smile at the moment smile

kiriwawa Thu 10-Oct-13 17:33:56

ppeafruit - yy, Ifti is always swoonsome in my head too! I'm not going to look him up on TA website as I'm bound to be sorely disappointed grin

Emma is really, really getting on my nerves, she's such a bloody drama queen. She has one baby, a child at school who spends half the week at his dad's and cleans for about 3 hours a week. And yet still finds getting a recipe book together far too much like hard work. Despite having 2 NVQs in catering!

TheOriginalSteamingNit Thu 10-Oct-13 17:36:42

'Keira's always been ever so advanced...'. They're really gunning for Emma, aren't they? And yet I'm sure we're meant to like Hellin, who is just as bad but in a more middle class way.

kiriwawa Thu 10-Oct-13 17:51:01

Surely we're not supposed to like Hellin with her husband-shagging ways? She's the most self-absorbed navel-gazer in the village!

TheOriginalSteamingNit Thu 10-Oct-13 18:10:21

But she is an Archer! Maybe not like, but not find her funny as we are supposed to with Emma. Emma's emotions are all risible and ignoble; hellin's are serious and real and proper fucked-up.

ppeatfruit Thu 10-Oct-13 19:08:34

MMMnn deep thoughts TheOriginal I think you may be right that Hellin is all greek tragedy and Emm is coco the clown grin

WipsGlitter Fri 11-Oct-13 11:13:19

I loved it last night -or just now in work more accurately-- with Debbie bigging up Rob and Hellin getting all uncomfortable. Love to see how it's all going to work out!

Somethingyesterday Fri 11-Oct-13 11:26:11

Debbie sounded ridiculously keen on Rob....

Gigondas Fri 11-Oct-13 14:38:13

Emma is a pantomime character now. I did laugh at Tom making Kirsty a playlist -are they 16? -and going on about being in bed all day.

curlew Fri 11-Oct-13 14:43:09

Working class characters are either criminal, funny or upwardly mobile in the Archers, sometimes all three. Or occasionally salt of the earth.

I continue my theme- the script writers are treating their listeners with utter contempt. It makes me genuinely cross.

ErrolTheDragon Fri 11-Oct-13 14:58:47

Nice to have Brine reminding us he's a dinosaur. Men should work and wives should just get on and look after aged parents/babies/dead lover's children etc without all this paternity leave etc nonsense.

ErrolTheDragon Fri 11-Oct-13 15:00:31

TBF curlew, quite a lot of the non WC characters are criminal or funny too.

Somethingyesterday Fri 11-Oct-13 19:24:28

So for once.... Joe's decline, Eddie's frustration were minutely, exactly right. But I really don't see how money would help the situation.

choccyp1g Fri 11-Oct-13 21:36:16

I'm beginning to think that actually the fall was nothing to do with the beer or the loose carpet, and in fact Joe had a minor stroke.
Would they check for that sort of thing if a 92 year old goes to A&E with a broken wrist?

TallGiraffe Fri 11-Oct-13 22:10:25

The Joe and Eddie scene was perfect. My only complain is that it's unlikely he'd have broken his wrist - far more likely his hip. What you break is a good indicator of how good your reflexes are. So if you trip when young and fit then you break a wrist. If your reflexes are starting to dim then you break a shoulder. If you're v old or frail then you don't get anything out in time and you break a hip. Thousands of old people break their hips each year and it is often a guide that they are failing physically.

ErrolTheDragon Sat 12-Oct-13 00:05:46

Up to now though Joe has been a remarkably fit and active nonagenarian.

Somethingyesterday Sat 12-Oct-13 07:04:47

Interesting questions.... I shall ask someone who might know about the stroke possibility later - although I suspect a minor stroke would show up in even the most cursory investigation. I'm also pleased to hear that wrist breakage is evidence of rather superior elderly fitness.

IME it's breakage rather than stroke that robs a person of their confidence. Joe's fractious anxiety about his walking stick nearly broke my heart.

This is being far better done than Peggy's minor stroke. She seemed to suffer almost no after-effects in either her mobility or her personality.

choccyp1g Sat 12-Oct-13 16:04:25

Well something Peggy of course suffered a only mild case of the Ambridge-coma-with-no-discernable-after-effects, but maybe they are trying to be a bit more realistic with the 92-year-old-"has a fall"-and- goes-rapidly-downhill" storyline.

Even if Joe does get a case of the "all-back-to-normals" he can't go on forever. Agree with other posters the acting was excellent, making a great change from the usual woodentops.

nennypops Sat 12-Oct-13 18:27:54

But would any council really devote as much time as this on investigating a relatively minor accident in a hotel with a clean track record? I'd have thought they'd be happy to leave it with the insurance company.

Dressingdown1 Sun 13-Oct-13 09:07:21

Sorry if this has been covered already, or I am going off topic, but I am getting worried about Jolene's wedding dress. i remember that it is being kept at Fallon's flat and that Rhys (sp?) is making wine at home. I have this dreadful recurring nightmare that the wine bottles will explode and the dress will be ruined. Has anyone else picked this up. Please tell me not to worry!

curlew Sun 13-Oct-13 09:34:07

I also liked that it was Eddie doing the looking after- usually that sort of thing is delegated to women....

TheSilverySoothsayer Sun 13-Oct-13 09:37:58

You've made me start worrying now, dressing.

The Darrell storyline and the Joe's fall storyline have made me too fed up to listen to the omni today, I shall make do with this thread.

Somethingyesterday Sun 13-Oct-13 11:29:13

Well Soothsayer if you haven't listened this week - there has been an improvement in the Darrell story. The SWs have taken on board all our complaintsgrinand the latest hasty rewrite has Shula (supported by Alistair) addressing Darrell's apparent MH and possibly employment issues. She's going to make him see a doctor - with a view to counselling - and be more organised about looking for work.

Something that escaped me at the time was how bitterly Emma excoriated Nic about not realising her good fortune - only to break off because "Mum will have our dinner on the table soon....." Now it keeps making me laugh.

Joe and Eddie were the best thing I've heard on TA for a very long time.

TheSilverySoothsayer Sun 13-Oct-13 11:53:54

I confess I did listen to some of it, while making porridge, and then the last 20 min or so. So I heard the tender scene between Eddie and Joe smile

The insistence on counselling as a cure for the unemployed was one of the things that had my blood boiling. Well, as as cure for the unemployed and dumped by W after her nagging made him take up his old ways. Hmm, perhaps counselling might make sense, but Ilona is going scott free (feels blood boiling again).

Somethingyesterday Sun 13-Oct-13 12:11:42

Yeah... I also thought it was (more than) a bit of an insult when he was first "struggling". If he had been offered proper help after a few days of sofa-surfing he may have been able to carry on. Even though distraught at his family break up. But the subsequent nightmarish descent - bus stops, hostel violence, rejection by Rosa - has really pushed him into a different state.

Although I insist that any "counselling" would need to look at why he is so easily-led and therefore unable to stay out of trouble. Doubt that TA would want to pursue that though....

The strange and protracted removal of Alan's spine is painful to listen to. Usha must be wondering where her real husband is.

kiriwawa Sun 13-Oct-13 12:41:45

Did anyone else notice Rob's 'fed up of being told what to do by women' comment?

So he buys into gay stereotypes (which Hellin laughs along at even though her best friend is gay) and now he's showing himself up to be a bit of a misogynist as well.

Not much of a catch is he?

GrendelsMum Sun 13-Oct-13 15:13:46

I think Joe's acting is really terrific, and that Eddie may well be right about the compensation they need.

Re Emma as comedy character, I don't think that's fair - she's had more than her share of troubles, especially when her uncle torched Bridge Farm, and its quite nice to hear her back to having small but genuine issues over Poppy getting a non stop supply of fancy frocks.

TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 14-Oct-13 15:54:27


Did anyone else notice Rob's 'fed up of being told what to do by women' comment?

I missed this.

Last night's ep was a bit "EastEnders ominous"
Neil and Susan SO happy together - and the exchange of jewellery (echoes of Nigel and Elizabeth at New Years eve)
surely some kind of hideous misfortune due now that we have done this?

Somethingyesterday Mon 14-Oct-13 16:16:39

Olivia I'm sure the two headed Carol/Maureen monster is waiting in the wings. It would just be silly for them to have been mentioned and then not used.

Kiri I'm not convinced that Rob's words are meant to be character defining. It's more likely that they're struggling to find him any sort of character so are just using stereotypical "man" phrases. But he's started having an affair at the first (far as we know...) available opportunity - so no, he's not much of a catch.

Gigondas Mon 14-Oct-13 19:31:12

Ooh robs pil dead... That has to mean some resolution to the worlds dullest affair .

Somethingyesterday Mon 14-Oct-13 19:45:26

No chance. Jess will insist on staying wherever she is. (Does she still have a mother?) So they will continue to live separately while continuing to be married....

Bit worried about Ian's career plans. He sounded (reportedly) a bit miffed on Sunday.....

grants1000 Mon 14-Oct-13 19:55:26

Neil with the locket made me cry, then when she said instead of the grand kids she'd put her and Neil in then he said something about a heart of gold, I was off! Little moments in life we all need thanks

ErrolTheDragon Mon 14-Oct-13 20:16:06

grants - and the music was spot on for '70s last dance.

GypsyFloss Mon 14-Oct-13 21:34:32

Neil is wonderful with Susan. I think he might just be my favourite character. Although I do also have a soft spot for Lynda, she reminds me of a certain kind of woman from my childhood. Generally to be found bossily organising the tea and flower rota in the local CofI church.

ErrolTheDragon Mon 14-Oct-13 22:25:01

Yes - Neil has always been a good solid bloke.

I can just about remember the pair of them getting together.

GypsyFloss Tue 15-Oct-13 07:31:08

Errol did he have a thing with Shula prior to Susan or am I imagining that?

Sthingmustbescaringthemaway Tue 15-Oct-13 08:48:04

I always like to think I remember the beginning of Neil and Susan - but then it merges into the beginning of Eddie and Clarrie... I do recall a very beautiful speech Neil made when Susan, post prison, cried that she was dragging him down. His declaration that without her pushiness ambition and belief in him he would have spent his life doing not very much and never striving for more is one of the things I lean on when they try to make Ambridge rubbish exciting.

(nb My first name change. Somewhat trepidatious. Handholding etc very welcome.thlwink)

TheSilverySoothsayer Tue 15-Oct-13 10:02:20

Neil had a serious crush on Shula - not reciprocated though.

I think I can remember Neil and Susan DTD for the first time grin

guineapiglet Tue 15-Oct-13 18:01:01

Aaaw Neil and made lovely listening!

I am not enjoying Debbie's hard ass change of personality...since going to Hungary she has become really hard core unpleasant especially re the mega dairy... She used to be reliably reasonable and kind, now seems very self focussed. This is the first time she has been in it for ages so plots must be getting desperate!

Sthingmustbescaringthemaway Tue 15-Oct-13 18:12:57

I'm sure they'd love to have her in it more often but Tamsin Greig is such a global mega-star now we should just feel grateful that she even finds the time.

Unusually for me I don't think Debbie is a victim of random character change. She had such a crap time in her personal life in Ambridge it's not surprising that she's now busy devouring apprentices? / engineers? for breakfast in Hungary.

Panzee Tue 15-Oct-13 18:47:31

I was impressed Debbie managed to be in it properly. They usually have her on the phone!

MrsCampbellBlack Wed 16-Oct-13 19:13:12

Oh dear - Rob's going to dump Helen isn't he?

Shallishanti Wed 16-Oct-13 19:14:25

what a surprise (not)

Sthingmustbescaringthemaway Wed 16-Oct-13 19:15:18

Oh Helen..... thlsad

ErrolTheDragon Wed 16-Oct-13 19:20:20

Helen true to form entirely self-centred about it.

I do hope that following their deathbed rapprochement Jess now decides to come to Ambridge.

LondonMother Wed 16-Oct-13 20:01:34

I suppose it's too much to hope that Helen will now run amok with a giant cheese which she will roll down Lakey Hill and knock Rob, Jess and assorted villagers (ideally including Darrell) into the Am?

I foresee another bout of eating problems.

puggle01 Wed 16-Oct-13 20:07:11

I'm ashamed to say I had a little cheer when Rob split up with Hellqueen. I agree Errol and London there will be much trouble from Helen - stalking hopefully and then a relapse too.

GypsyFloss Wed 16-Oct-13 20:15:09

Oh damn I missed it! Wonder if she managed make Messiah#2 first though? Strong , fiercely independent woman that she is, I'm sure she can manage another golden child.

Sthingmustbescaringthemaway Wed 16-Oct-13 20:16:40

Oh I've got it! This is the SWs' cunning plan to bring down the mega-d. Everyone's been saying how brilliant Rob is at his job. But he's going to be mighty distracted if he keeps having to dodge Helen and her cheese cleaver.

So much is going to go wrong.thlgrin

Gigondas Wed 16-Oct-13 20:18:34

There is precedent for fallout from affairs - ruaridh, usha /Shula etc . (How widely known was Caroline's affair with brine?)

And there will definitely be follow up here - most obviously hell queen expecting when Jess doesn't want kids.

Sthingmustbescaringthemaway Wed 16-Oct-13 20:18:55

But yes - Henry II would be fun.

LondonMother Wed 16-Oct-13 20:21:42

In real life, if you were running a fairly large business and discovered that a key employee had been having an illicit affair with your niece by marriage who had bunny boiler tendencies and whose parents already regard you and key employee as Satan's henchmen, it would be a very tricky situation. It would be nice if this development led to renewed hostilities between Bridge Farm and Home Farm. Will Peggy threaten to horsewhip Rob, as she did Brian when she learned about his affair with Siobhan?

<rubs hands>

choccyp1g Wed 16-Oct-13 20:29:04

Surely Jess is going to be pregnant too?
I heard "FILs Death Brought Us Closer Together"
as euphemism for
"Comforting Hug Led To Unprotected Sex"

Panzee Wed 16-Oct-13 20:42:07

Me too choccypig! I foresee babies...

GypsyFloss Wed 16-Oct-13 20:42:27

Let's hope Jess is pregnant and moves to Ambridge and becomes the new BFF of Helen...also pregnant.

puggle01 Wed 16-Oct-13 21:06:35

Yippee yippee yippee for the pregnancy(ies) and mega-dairy feuds. I might really start to enjoy it again! Hope the SWs are reading..

PrincessFiorimonde Wed 16-Oct-13 23:07:43

A double pregnancy would certainly be fun. Even Brian didn't manage that.

CuttedUpPear Wed 16-Oct-13 23:30:52

Oh yes GypsyFloss thlgrin

JessieMcJessie Thu 17-Oct-13 03:45:26

Hmm. A pregnancy storyline would be way too soapy IMO. So is probably on the cards..

yes yes re the implications for Home Farm/ Bridge Farm relations, and the management of the mega dairy.

Presumably Kirsty will have to bear the brunt of Helen's wailing. Interesting, given her recent welcome back into the bosom of the Archer family. Will she tell Tom? Actually, I 'd have thought Tom would be fairly non-judgmental- he was seduced a bit by Rob himself, he has been a cheater (on Kirsty with supermarket woman) and he has form for covering up Helen's misdeeds- "I was driving".

What Kirsty should say is that she feels for Helen but Helen always knew it was a risk that Rob would go back to Jess. She should also remind Helen that she deserves better than a cheater. (I know se of you disagree!). On tenterhooks to find out what Kirsty actually says..

Sthingmustbescaringthemaway Thu 17-Oct-13 07:38:37

Perhaps it would cause a huge rift between her and Tom if they took opposing sides over Helen's idiocy?

Might the pregnant ladies be making their happy announcements around New Year?

Wasn't there a film - 80s/90s - one man, two girlfriends in labour in same hospital? Tasteless but mildly amusing.

GypsyFloss Thu 17-Oct-13 07:46:48

I just hope the script writers don't brush it all under the carpet , as they have form for doing.

JollyGolightly Thu 17-Oct-13 07:49:38

Yes, sthg - the cheating man was played by Dudley Moore. It was highly implausible on many levels. I doubt that Rob could carry off a similar act, unless there's going to be some major fleshing out of his 2d character.
I have zero sympathy with Helen.
And I just adore this thread! Babies galore - congratulations to PB and Nic.

Sthingmustbescaringthemaway Thu 17-Oct-13 08:36:34

Well we do certainly owe a mass of thanks to Pseudo for starting this, and the original, thread.

It's certainly made me very happy. Never had any Archers people to chat to regularly, in such depth, to the exclusion of more pressing issues....

Some sort of medal emoticon would be good....thlsmile

ppeatfruit Thu 17-Oct-13 13:20:57

OOOOh sthing I heard it last night "We've decided to make another go at our marriage" Blimey Hellinn sounded soooo pissed off!!!! grin maybe he'll leave the dairy to join Jess dahn sarf and the mega dairy goes tits up Hooray!!!

T'would be hilarious if they were both upduffed grin

PseudoBadger Thu 17-Oct-13 13:26:26

You guys....<blush> I love chatting TA with you all flowers

Just caught up with last night's episode - ha ha Helen. I honestly don't think it ever occurred to her that Rob wouldn't leave Jess.

In a tenuous TA link, my mum insists on calling 10 day old DD Keira rather than her actual name (pronounced Keeva). She has blamed Emma.

CuttedUpPear Thu 17-Oct-13 13:27:43

Sthingmustbescaringthemaway I would congratulate you on your name change, but I don't know who you were before (due to name change...)

ErrolTheDragon Thu 17-Oct-13 13:29:53

I'm guessing she was SomethingYesterday?

CuttedUpPear Thu 17-Oct-13 13:33:07

Ah. Spooky! thlshock

ppeatfruit Thu 17-Oct-13 13:39:16

It's fun isn't it Psuedo? hope all is going swimmingly with your L.O. funny about your mum and her name; all the best people are TA fans aren't we? thlgrin

I reckon you're right Errol Of course I may be wrong.

Sthingmustbescaringthemaway Thu 17-Oct-13 14:14:49

thlgrin And there's me thinking my writing style is so unutterably individual.... (Yes I was something else before.. Clever ED. (Though I was rather fond of GtheN...))

Pseudo I had assumed that your daughter's astonishingly beautiful name was a sideways reference to TA anyway.

Sthingmustbescaringthemaway Fri 18-Oct-13 16:06:42

<Eerie silence for several millennia...>

<Tries to whistle a bit..>

<Remembers can't whistle.>

Hello..... Anybody there? Anyone else certain Darrell is lying about having seen the GP?

Shallishanti Fri 18-Oct-13 16:10:13

yes, I think so. But how insensitive is Shula? '...oh, yes, your daughter, now, HAVE you got those tools yet? '

ErrolTheDragon Fri 18-Oct-13 16:13:01

Nice to be back to a useful Public Service Broadcast to remind idiots to keep their dogs under close control around stock - not just at lambing time. I can forgive TA a lot for that.

PseudoBadger Fri 18-Oct-13 16:13:16

Sorry to leave you hanging Sthing!
Yes Darrell gave the gp a swerve I think.
Poor old Ed and the cows eh sad

Caoimhe isn't a TA ref, but Lily might be wink

Sthingmustbescaringthemaway Fri 18-Oct-13 16:18:53

Yes... I didn't think last night worked. Partly because they made not-exactly-Mastermind Darrell sound like a master of misdirection and also because the whole lost dog, fleeing sheep story was naturally leading to Neil and Darrell in the car.... And then nothing happened.

I'm beginning to think that whoever said Darrell might not be long for this world might have a point. Poor man is clearly losing quite large chunks of his mind and is now a danger to himself.

CuttedUpPear Fri 18-Oct-13 16:19:27

Yes what exactly is Darryl's problem? He doesn't seem to fit the usual medical profile of the down and out (substance abuse).

And I'm glad he got his tools back but can't believe the SWs took us down the shaky path of thinking that they were bound to be gone.

Sthingmustbescaringthemaway Fri 18-Oct-13 16:24:27

Oh X-ed! Was answering Shalli whose name I have only just grasped....

Erroll Since I at least knew where to find you (lurking in awe) I had been thinking of staging an intervention to drag you back. But as a strategy it just didn't add up.

D'ya see what I....? thlgrin

ppeatfruit Fri 18-Oct-13 17:32:13

I was inclined to think that Das hadn't been to the docs but he'd lost that strange slight hysteria in his voice (OMG cutted just thought maybe he IS a druggy and just had a fix from his 'friend' with his tools). I'm not and never have been in that scene so was being thick. also may be wrong of course grin

ErrolTheDragon Fri 18-Oct-13 17:37:25

>D'ya see what I..


GypsyFloss Sun 20-Oct-13 10:54:21

I've just listened to the omnibus and heard the dumping scene for the first time. Rob's pause when listing who he " had to do the right thing" for makes me even more sure that Jess is pregnant. I reckon he was going to say " for our baby" but stopped himself just in time. Now we definitely need to meet her grin

TallGiraffe Sun 20-Oct-13 11:38:20

It'll irritate me if Hellin is up the duff though. She's an intelligent woman, surely she would have been bright enough to think about contraception. Surely I can't have been alone in the "no contraception = no sex" way of thinking, apart from when actively trying for a baby confused

mummytime Sun 20-Oct-13 11:49:37

TallGiraffe Hellin doesn't seem to be very rational. Lots of my friends children have been born despite the use of every method of contraception known to man.

GypsyFloss Sun 20-Oct-13 13:20:16

Helen and rational are not words I'd ever use in a sentence . I reckon a sibling for Henry and thus a way of securing Rob were probably in the back of her mind.

ppeatfruit Sun 20-Oct-13 16:32:19

As I said upthread Hellin is a soap character and most of them miss the contraceptive talk at school so either have an abortion or a babeee. knocking King Henry's crown off grin

Brillig Sun 20-Oct-13 23:25:11

And if she is pregnant with Baby Cheesus II, presumably we can look forward (?) to a reprise of the barkingly mad behaviour she exhibited when carrying Henry.

We already know of course that she's 'doggedly independent' and determined to go it alone. Despite having a home and job provided by her parents, who also seem to offer free child care whenever required, cook nourishing meals for her, and generally cosset her so she doesn't have to suffer too much contact with the big, bad world outside Ambridge.

I don't think I can stand another Hellin pregnancy tbh

JollyGolightly Mon 21-Oct-13 00:00:42

I've heard The Dumping three times now, which I realise says more about my life than the event itself, although I did feel that it was well written, and agree that Rob is trying to become a better person before the baby arrives. He's not doing very well with that; very wrong of him to hunt Hellin down to her Organics burrow.

ppeatfruit Mon 21-Oct-13 09:24:11

Agree about the writing of the dumping scene Jolly sometimes the SWs get things right I also think Hellin's reaction was spot on too.

Sthingmustbescaringthemaway Mon 21-Oct-13 09:39:47

So will Tom dump Kirsty again - immediately - when he finds out that she knew?


kiriwawa Mon 21-Oct-13 10:04:18

Hellin is about as independent as my 6YO hmm

I reckon Rob followed her to her organic burrow (love that!) to ascertain the extent of the damage ie how likely is she to tell people now he's going to be bringing his pregnant wife to the village. Damage limitation essentially.

I really hope Tom doesn't dump Kirsty - I quite like her and I can't bear it when he whinges

GypsyFloss Mon 21-Oct-13 10:40:05

I do hope Tom and Kirsty stay together , I think they make a lovely couple and she managed to neatly get him off the sausage empire lecture without making him look bad.

Rob has no idea just how volatile Helen can be. More fool him for dipping his wick so very close to work.

Are there many ex -BBC Archers mb users on here? I notice some nicknames and spellings that I only ever saw on there. Possibly one of the best for Helen being "the thin controller" grin

Brillig Mon 21-Oct-13 15:54:40

kiriwawa, exactly grin

Sthingmustbescaringthemaway Mon 21-Oct-13 19:21:04

Wow. That was the strangest, most mysterious and bizarre episode I can ever recall. The opening was like some slow, grungy indie film; I wasn't even sure that it was TA.

Maurice as a sex symbol?

And Joe on the edge of tears....

Weird and wonderful.

guineapiglet Mon 21-Oct-13 19:30:11

Wow! I agree, I thought I was actually on the wrong station tuning for the first few moments, I really couldn't work out who was talking..... Maurice is clearly being brought in to be a more central character?

I really am starting to worry about Joe and what will become of Bartelby if Joe gives up, especially after all the talk of the abattoir lorrysad

There are so many characters who have gone to ground, it is really worrying. Where are Chris and Alice? Usha? Haven't heard from Peggy for a while, or Rhys? Lilian? Adam? They are obviously all sunning themselves on beaches somewhere together waiting for the call up. Isn't Kate due a visit soon?

CuttedUpPear Mon 21-Oct-13 19:35:33

Who is this Maurice?
I consider myself a long term regular listener...I don't understand!

Sthingmustbescaringthemaway Mon 21-Oct-13 19:38:27

Are there other characters? Do we need anyone else - now we have Maurice?

I'm glad I wasn't the only person confused. I very nearly reached out for some radio guide to check what was going on. That long first scene. And Lynda employing feminine wiles. (Yesterday I assumed she was thinking of Jim...)

It was all so strange and beguiling.

ErrolTheDragon Mon 21-Oct-13 19:39:32

I think I've heard Maurice once before. Telling Tom (immediately after breakup from Brenda) how his divorce turned out to be a good thing, IIRC?

Why would Lynda pounce on some sausage-maker with no thespian leanings? confused

Sthingmustbescaringthemaway Mon 21-Oct-13 19:41:17

Maurice works for Tom. And sometimes gives him advice on how better to manage his love life.

Where the hell would Lynda have laid eyes on him?

TallGiraffe Mon 21-Oct-13 20:19:16

Last time we heard from him he was more scouse! It was just after Brenda had dumped him and there was some drama with the shrink wrap machine.

Why would we hear from Maurice and not someone else that we know and love. Hmmm.....

GypsyFloss Mon 21-Oct-13 20:35:38

I've never heard Maurice speak before . I always assumed he was a grey haired older man, this fella sounded far too young . And he must be a looker if Lindypops immediately thought of him for her rugged Robin.

LondonMother Mon 21-Oct-13 21:22:55

Umpteen years ago Maurice was running his own butcher's shop and gave evidence on Eddie's behalf in some convoluted saga about selling condemned meat at boot sales. He's always been an utterly magnificent character and I am delighted to discover he looks like Sean Connery in The Hunt for Red October. I like Maurice and I like Anthea and for once I might actually enjoy the annual Christmas show story. (I also like Lynda and I adore Robert - any episode with Robert in it is a great treat.)

I must say, I did enjoy that episode!

JessieMcJessie Tue 22-Oct-13 10:23:03

Yes, I wasn't expecting it at all, but by the end of the epi I was grinning broadly at the thought of Maurice and Anthea in Sherwood Forest. V glad that Anthea is being fleshed out. Is she really married, or could Maurice be happily mistaken?

TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 22-Oct-13 15:57:23

Sounds like Maurice does the milk round (maybe he had to step up after Harry went off to live his dream gay life in the north?)
Thats' where he would have met Anthea??

LondonMother Tue 22-Oct-13 19:40:04

Jazzer does the milkround, Olivia. Maurice makes sausages. I expect he met Anthea in the shop and has worshipped her from afar ever since.

Pat trying to prise Helen's secret out of her was painful. Back off, you fool!

GypsyFloss Tue 22-Oct-13 20:31:36

How long before Helen implodes? I want full-on stalker-ness .Followed , preferably, by a nice Ophelia-like swim in the Am.

CuttedUpPear Tue 22-Oct-13 20:44:54

What GypsyFloss says ^^

Tonight was utterly dreary, Pat n Tony endlessly analysing Hellin's moods...zzzz

ErrolTheDragon Tue 22-Oct-13 20:48:16

Oh, I quite liked Tony getting near the truth but Pat veering off it.

GypsyFloss Tue 22-Oct-13 22:02:15

Actually thinking about it I don't want Helen to disappear . She really is the best acted character. But I do want decent and proper repercussions from this, not gentle sweeping under the carpet and hoping the dozy listeners will forget all about it.

PrincessFiorimonde Tue 22-Oct-13 22:46:13

LondonMother, am very impressed - and am indeed shock shock - at your recall of the back story. I do dimly remember Eddie + dodgy meat + boot sales, but certainly had no remembrance of Maurice as a butcher and his defence of Eddie over that shenanigans.

As for Helen - OH DEAR!

puggle01 Wed 23-Oct-13 20:16:55

That clinches it - the scriptwriters MUST know we're listeners. How else could you explain the bizarre public information announcement today of "if you're getting stressed with DC ask for help." I don't remember hearing much from Vicky for ages apart from the frilly dresses for Poppy so its not like this is a building storyline (hopefully). I really really hope we hear Jazzer mentioning his penis beaker in the Bull nextsmile

PseudoBadger Wed 23-Oct-13 20:48:24

I reckon Jazzer has a knitted wank mitten smile

Panzee Wed 23-Oct-13 20:54:04

David and Ruth seem more the penis beaker sort.

Panzee Wed 23-Oct-13 20:54:30

And Jazzer must use a milk bottle!

PseudoBadger Wed 23-Oct-13 21:02:21

Are you saying Jazzer has a chipolata?

CuttedUpPear Wed 23-Oct-13 21:07:57

The SWs definitely DO know we are listeners - do you hear the announcement that you could get involved and ask the SWs a question?
Didn't hear the whole thing though, perhaps someone could listen again and enlighten us.

puggle01 Wed 23-Oct-13 21:13:25

Wank mitten or special sports sock for Jazzer? David and Ruth are definite penis beaker people Panzee. Shula is a "pull my nightie back down when you're done dear."
I heart having somewhere to chat Archers

Panzee Wed 23-Oct-13 21:22:25

This is what the Telegraph was talking about, isn't it?

Innocent Archers chit chat descends into filth... grin

GypsyFloss Wed 23-Oct-13 21:54:48

I reckon Jazzer's is more of a deep fried mars bar than chipolata myself.

GrendelsMum Wed 23-Oct-13 21:57:29

Yes, I heard tonight's epi and thought 'that's aimed at us struggling Mumsnetters swearing at our babies while we hurl saucepans at the radio'.

Did feel a bit public information broadcast, but actually I really like the idea that she's struggling now that Brenda's moved away.

Panzee Wed 23-Oct-13 21:59:47

Despite his bluster I can imagine Jazzer being very considerate. He would definitely "be there" for you wink

Sthingmustbescaringthemaway Wed 23-Oct-13 22:10:33

I turn my back for a couple of nights.....

TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 24-Oct-13 08:12:12

I am worried about Jill
Twice on their jaunt she was a bit wobbly behind the wheel.

Gigondas Thu 24-Oct-13 08:21:18

If they do kill Jill off properly that will be good as people seem to be written out then it mentions they are dead (will be what say to jack).

ErrolTheDragon Thu 24-Oct-13 09:57:38

I reckon the Jill will have an accident which doesn't kill her but seriously injures or kills someone else.

Panzee Thu 24-Oct-13 10:31:11

Well it has been at least a week since the last coma/hospital vigil.

PseudoBadger Thu 24-Oct-13 11:10:09

Hopefully Pipsqueak will pop back to be involved in that... grin

TheSilveryPussycat Thu 24-Oct-13 12:34:55

Or it will turn out that Jill needs new glasses.

Re DTD styles, I seem to recall Shula and ?Nigel??? DTD in a field in her younger days.

heronsfly Thu 24-Oct-13 13:29:05

I agree with 'puss', all it will come too is that Jill finally needs glasses.

TheSilveryPussycat Thu 24-Oct-13 14:05:30

or maybe cataract op?

Re Jeck: he should linger on till Peggy's alter ego bows out - she lived through her partner's Alzheimer's, and gave her experience to the scriptwriters. So let her off having to act Peggy's grief, I say.

JessieMcJessie Fri 25-Oct-13 05:38:11

Yay, I said that Helen should confide in Tom and so far he's been a model supportive brother. If perhaps out-of-character observant... but then Kirsty has changed him a bit, Pat noticed the other day.

My take on Jill's bad driving is that it was just a bit of light comedy- saintly Jill, stalwart of the village, domestic Goddess, fun granny and Friend to Bees has a flaw- she is a crap driver. I expect she always has been.

Gigondas Fri 25-Oct-13 05:45:00

I agree that Jill thing was comedy relief as was a flash if the old joe drinking too much cider.

Fear that Helen confiding in Tom means months of her moping. Am stunned that we have sensitive Tom when he was such a bell end and so oblivious with Brenda. Also saying sensible stuff! Maybe it is down to Kirsty.

As for Helen knowing what she got herself in for, I doubt that hmm.

TheSilveryPussycat Fri 25-Oct-13 09:42:42

I thought the shift in Tom was that he realised something of what Helen felt, because he remembered how he himself felt when Brenda ended it. Though of course there were differences - Tom got angry about Rob being married etc but managed to hold most of it back, I thought.

Sthingmustbescaringthemaway Fri 25-Oct-13 10:14:23

Poor Darrell. He seems to have completely given up on life. I wonder if he is planning to disappear - or worse.

TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 25-Oct-13 10:27:29

How OLD is Jill??

Sthingmustbescaringthemaway Fri 25-Oct-13 11:04:54
TheSilveryPussycat Fri 25-Oct-13 11:15:35

Same age as my DM smile

curlew Fri 25-Oct-13 11:24:38

I'm just glad that Bethany doesn't appear to have the Ambridge type of Down's a Syndrome that has absolutely no effect on her development at all. Just like Abby's Ambridge prematurity, Jazzer's Ambridge brain damage, Chris and Adam's Ambridge comas, Ruth's Ambridge cancer, Helen's Ambridge eating disorder and Brian's Ambridge extra marital affairs. Oh, and Wolfgang's Ambridge TB. Which, to be fair, had a pretty drastic effect on his development, but didn't seem to be able to cross a fence.

TallGiraffe Fri 25-Oct-13 15:42:49

Curlew grin

ErrolTheDragon Fri 25-Oct-13 16:09:37

Its all or nothing with TA afflictions, usually - illnesses and accidents which aren't immediately fatal rarely have little long-term effect. Mike doesn't seem to have any problems following the loss of an eye, Brian's epileptic episodes are few and far between....

Must be all the healthy fresh air that allows them to bounce back if they don't get killed instantly - so no scope for Public Service broadcasting in relation to DLA etc.

curlew Fri 25-Oct-13 16:24:14

Yes, not even in the Archers do you recover from falling five floors, being run over by a tractor or having bits of you cut off with a chain saw..........

heronsfly Fri 25-Oct-13 16:55:52

I didn't know Mike only had one eyeblush

puggle01 Fri 25-Oct-13 17:57:33

smile curlew smile
I like the fact that dairy farming cures drug addiction and cheese making cures anorexia while we're on that topic. Will cider-making cure Darryl's homelessness and peculiar behaviour?

TheSilveryPussycat Fri 25-Oct-13 20:09:04

But Wolfgang didn't have TB? He was old and had pneumonia. He wasn't near Lonely Cow, was he?

BasketzatDawn Fri 25-Oct-13 22:30:06

And you've forgotten Daniel's juvenile arthritis, magically cured when his ma shagged the doctor.

curlew Fri 25-Oct-13 22:33:15

And Lizzie's dodgy heart....forgot that too.

And not forgetting the matter of Ruraidh(I think)'s miraculous Irish accent......

BasketzatDawn Fri 25-Oct-13 22:48:55

Though at least with Lizzie they did have the dramatic collapse when pg with twins and subsequent major heart surgery. But she never goes for check ups, nor does young Dan. Off on his gap year with 'friends' we've never heard of, bladdy bla. Mind you, all the young of Ambridge have friends we've never heard of.

nennypops Fri 25-Oct-13 22:50:18

I'm a bit worried about Kenton saying the wedding is going to be the happiest day of his life. Usually in soapland that's a signal for disaster. Is Jolene going to turn out to be a bigamist?

curlew Fri 25-Oct-13 22:53:49

My dd was in the car when it was on tonight and said "Oh no, that's Kenton dead. I quite liked him"

curlew Fri 25-Oct-13 22:54:22

And where's Bert?

ErrolTheDragon Fri 25-Oct-13 23:11:14

I felt doomy when I heard that too. They've been going on a bit about how nice it will be to see Meriel.

What are the odds on Jill running the poor kid down?

TheSilveryPussycat Sat 26-Oct-13 10:38:52

I was on tenterhooks when they were messing around on quadbikes. And then Jim joined in! Bastard SWs

JessieMcJessie Sat 26-Oct-13 11:05:51

basketz Shula said Daniel was travelling with friends he met while working at the summer camp. Character makes friends outside Ambridge shocker!

lljkk Sat 26-Oct-13 11:16:43

Oh I like the new bitchy Emma.
Then again I loved it whenever Brenda tore a strip off of Tom.
And LIllian was always at her best with a hint of the evil about her.
Only bitch I don't warm to is Elizabeth, come to think of it.

Why do I think Hellin + Rob storyline isn't finished? Maybe H. could turn into a BunnyBoiler... calf-boiler??

Can't wait to meet Jess. grin

Panzee Sat 26-Oct-13 12:00:01

I want Jess to look exactly like Helen. Easy done on the radio.

Sthingmustbescaringthemaway Sat 26-Oct-13 13:01:29

Has anyone been following TA week here?

Some interesting stuff. I downloaded the script for last Monday's weird indie episode - still can't understand how it evolved.

nennypops Sat 26-Oct-13 13:35:54

I'm sure there's lots more mileage in Hellin and Rob. She really irritated me the way she carried on like it was totally inconsiderate of him to want to support his wife when her father died, and her demands that he leave his wife and/or carry on cheating on her. Seems to me if you go after a married man knowing how it would hurt his wife if she knew, you don't get to act all entitled if it turns out to be you that gets hurt.

TheSilveryPussycat Sat 26-Oct-13 13:48:26

Unless you're Hellin, of course wink - when it is mandatory to act like a spoiled child. nenny surely you're not wanting a personality transplant...

TheSilveryPussycat Sat 26-Oct-13 13:49:37

..for hellin, not you blush

ppeatfruit Sat 26-Oct-13 14:35:19

I 've just caught up so I'm qualified to discuss last week's (I've been abroad!) Yes I was also thinking 'who TF is Morry? have they reintroduced Harry? I agree we don't need any new speaking characters it just makes TA more effin' light weight. Also is Anthea a looker then ? an Audrey Hepburn lookalike 'cos she doesn't come across as one to me.

I ignored the thread about penis beakers so have no idea what you're all talking about !

I reckon Jill being a bad driver is a public information plot about driving 'when you're too old' and accepting that unless you need new glasses or whatever there comes a time to stop driving. Note Jim 'tried' to tell Shula but, as usual, was interrupted.

Has anyone noticed that there's a lot of referring to convos that'd happened the day before? Too many times last week IMHO .

Sthingmustbescaringthemaway Sat 26-Oct-13 15:49:27

I would agree with you about Jill - were it not for the fact that she will be responsible for her Dgd and ex-Dil next week. Think ErrolD may be right - though it would be better for continuity if it's Mel rather than Meriel who gets squished.

ppeatfruit Sat 26-Oct-13 16:07:56

Well they can't 'kill off' anyone else until 'Jack The Immortal' is laid to rest can they?

ppeatfruit Sat 26-Oct-13 16:17:23

Of course there could a 'late romance' between Jill 'n Jim eh! The names go well together or did someone mention he's not anti hunting.

Sthingmustbescaringthemaway Sat 26-Oct-13 16:26:27

But she'd have to fight her sister-in-law for him! He and Christine are practically an item.

ppeatfruit Sat 26-Oct-13 17:03:12

That's true but surely he'd have made a move by now if he thought about Chris in 'that' sort of way which maybe he does about Jill! It'd be a fun storyline, isn't Chris her cousin?

ppeatfruit Sat 26-Oct-13 17:04:18

No of course you're right Chris is Phil's sister I think.

Sthingmustbescaringthemaway Sat 26-Oct-13 17:23:32

thlgrinI'd hate to see Christine hurt - she gets little enough story as it is. And she must be so lonely. At least Jill has all her children and most of her grandchildren close by. Peter(?) seems to have abandoned his mother altogether. Apart from one trip to Berlin iirc.....

ppeatfruit Sat 26-Oct-13 17:28:40

True but the actress makes a tree seem animated !!

LondonMother Sat 26-Oct-13 18:05:10

Auntie Cardboard as she was rather cruelly labelled on the old BBC MB...

ppeatfruit Sun 27-Oct-13 08:06:51

grin grin Cruel but true. London

puggle01 Sun 27-Oct-13 17:32:12

Perhaps I'm outing my own country bumpkin origins but church/scout/brownie/school charity recipe books were never like this. Testing the recipes? GBBO style practising? All they ever featured were
1: Fifteens (a NI special everyone learns to make in primary school*)
*recipe can be provided on request to all you mainlanders...
2: Chocolate crispie buns
3: Any sort of casserole/bake featuring the key ingredient of can of mushroom soup and then crushed crisps on top

I'm having to tune out at any mention of this storyline as its so flipping annoying. On the other hand, I'm hoping the lead-in for Jill's poor eyesight will lead to something much more exciting happening on bloody Stir-up-Sunday - maybe poisoning wink

BasketzatDawn Sun 27-Oct-13 20:06:11

I'm so grateful to TA though - without them I'd never have heard of Stir Up Sunday. Being Scottish (that's the reason I give anyway) we don't have lots of those 'quaint traditions' you lot in England seem to 'enjoy'. grin

But I did catch myself thinking, while the photos of young Daniel were being gawped at tonight - I hope nothing happens to Daniel on his gap year. It's not that I particularly warm to Daniel, but I so hate the sound of his mother's voice I think I'd need to become an ex listener for the duration of her grief. Which being TA would be only a week or two anyway, so I could cope with that, I suppose

BasketzatDawn Sun 27-Oct-13 20:07:49

I think though it was all a mechanism to tell us that Jill is getting old and has sight problems. Oh dear, I wonder how that will be handled.

LondonMother Sun 27-Oct-13 20:08:52

My hunch is that Jill is going to have a minor bump on the way to Lower Loxley with the wedding cake and it will be reduced to crumbs. Actually, scratch hunch - if this doesn't happen I will eat my hat.

ppeatfruit Sun 27-Oct-13 20:13:47

Great minds London I thought exactly the same "oops there goes the wedding cake" cake.

I liked the tender scene between Tom and Hellin. I even shed a little tear!

ppeatfruit Sun 27-Oct-13 20:16:59

OMG weird weird weird I wrote the above and I did NOT put the emoticom for cake in it is there anybody there???

puggle01 Sun 27-Oct-13 20:21:23

Oh no! Londonmother & peatfruit you're probably right about the cake. I'm groaning as we had that all with Clarrie's cake for Will&Nic's wedding and the replacement from Ian. There'll be some last minute NZ baking from Mel & Merrier or something. A passioncake come to think of it.

ppeatfruit Sun 27-Oct-13 20:25:21

Yeah or a pavvie puggle seeing as they're from down under grin the SWs are in need of original storylines from us IMHO.

BasketzatDawn Sun 27-Oct-13 21:06:45

I'd forgotten the cake thing. They can't have another Great Ambridge Cake Crisis. Not so soon. Anyone would think the SWs have no or few original ideas.

Eastpoint Mon 28-Oct-13 07:17:13

If I knew Jill in real life I'd think she had cataracts. I think that would explain her having difficulty seeing in poor light. Of course in real life it is now a minor op, it would be a good bit of public service radio if they treated it as such.

curlew Mon 28-Oct-13 07:23:36

I thought cataracts too. Did you notice she couldn't see the pictures of the Sainted Daniel properly?

Do you think she's done something bizarre to the wedding cake because she can't see properly? Salt instead of sugar or something?

PseudoBadger Mon 28-Oct-13 07:44:48

Meriel arrives with a Pavlova perhaps?

PseudoBadger Mon 28-Oct-13 07:46:37

Sorry Ppeat I missed that you'd said that already!

ppeatfruit Mon 28-Oct-13 09:54:10

That's oiright psued Yer jest missed my amazin' aussie accented post that's all grin grin sorry everyone grin

R4 Mon 28-Oct-13 11:38:49

Salt instead of sugar or something?

I've been wondering something similar about Emmur's cookbook. Sabrina has a host of people who are going to receive a gift-copy of the book so it's got to be her recipe that gets the typo.

Eastpoint Mon 28-Oct-13 12:10:00

I'm sure Jill would have her dried goods in jars to keep them dry & in good condition. I bet she keeps the salt by her stove in one of those salt pigs so she can add it to saucepans.

ppeatfruit Mon 28-Oct-13 12:18:45

How are you and the L.O. BTW psued?

Songbird Mon 28-Oct-13 14:54:22

Don't want replies on here as I'm not ready to read the latest chit chat, so please help!

PseudoBadger Mon 28-Oct-13 17:36:09

We are good thanks, she is just getting a cold I think sad

Ok for the cook book I would like a Friends style recipe mix up - a recipe comprising half a shepherds pie and half a trifle....

LondonMother Mon 28-Oct-13 20:55:58

Just caught up. I couldn't be sicker of Darrell if he was a salmonella bug.

Songbird Tue 29-Oct-13 08:45:50

Does anyone have the podcast for last week's omnibus, please? 20/10/13?

curlew Tue 29-Oct-13 08:55:21

I love the fact that they indicate that Darrell has reached rock bottom because he was contemplating stealing the poppy money!

Just like on Downton they indicate that somebody is a thoroughly bad lot by making them a smoker. When in reality, they would all have smoked like chimneys........

Sthingmustbescaringthemaway Tue 29-Oct-13 09:20:50

thlshockAre you saying that in reality they would all have been at the poppy money?thlgrin

Rather mixed... Just as I was applauding the horribly accurate description of Darrell's insuperable anxiety and depression - they ruined it by suggesting that these things inevitably lead to the poppy tin. (Although they've certainly laid the groundwork for D being a thoroughly bad egg. It would have been far better to have the MH problems without the criminality.)

Then they have Eddie showing empathy - good. Then the same person who has shown empathy hands D a tiny amount of money. An amount so small it is impossible to do anything with other than buy oneself a drink.

And Jill - defending the absent Daniel's space. As if he'll need it.

LondonM I wish you were enjoying Darrell as much as I am.

Pleased to hear you're ok Pseudo. But there is no [emoticon] to offer your coldy Dd.... (Shame on Mnetthlgrin)

TallGiraffe Tue 29-Oct-13 09:40:07

Sorry songbird can't help I'm afraid. We could do you a rcap between us though I'm sure...

TallGiraffe Tue 29-Oct-13 09:40:36

Or a recap even!

Songbird Tue 29-Oct-13 09:56:35

Yes please! Have I missed something important with Hellin and Rob? Has Henry shopped them? Is she preggo yet? And how’s Joe? Is Eddie still going against character to drive this story to some dramatic conclusion? Any more Nic vs. Emmur snipey hilarity? Is Darrel still being interminably whingey and pathetic?

Thanks in advance thanks

ppeatfruit Tue 29-Oct-13 09:57:14

Don't they do rcaps of the Omni on play it again? Maybe it's just the latest one? <warning non TA gossip> I'm sooo excited I've just seen a red squirrel in our garden for the first time YAAAY!!!!

Songbird Tue 29-Oct-13 10:19:16

pp they only keep one at a time, so I've missed the one from the 20th. The Colchester Plumber website has been a lifesaver as I missed months worth and he downloads them all, but last week's is missing. I don't know how quickly he usually puts them on the site.

Songbird Tue 29-Oct-13 10:19:38

And red squirrel! Where do you live?

ppeatfruit Tue 29-Oct-13 12:19:31

We live between mid France and London .In France ATM of course!

PseudoBadger Tue 29-Oct-13 12:21:50

How nice ppeat! Do you have pine martens too?

Songbird Tue 29-Oct-13 12:27:23

Ooh lovely. My Mum and Dad live in the Dordogne - c'est magnifique!

I've listened to the latest omnibus and Sunday and Monday's episodes, and the only thing I seem to have missed is Rob dumping Hellin. What happened?