Why doesn't Lillian just split from Matt?

(106 Posts)
PrincessFiorimonde Mon 14-Jan-13 13:17:10

If she loves being with the terminally dull Paul so much, why doesn't she just tell Matt it's all over, ask him to leave and install Paul in Ambridge? It's her house, isn't it?

She's not tied to Matt through kids or financial necessity, and she doesn't seem to like him very much even when he's trying to be nice to her.

Is it just the thought of Peggy's cat's bum face that's stopping her?

ArtexMonkey Mon 14-Jan-13 13:20:03

Matt can't run the business because he went to prison, so Lillian is the respectable face of Amside. So that would be tres complicated. Also, do you remember when he and Lilian first got together and he was splitting from his ex wife? Wasn't there some sort of storyline where he was swindling her out of a valuable painting, or getting one over on her in some other way? I wonder if Lilian is worried about this happening again.

PrincessFiorimonde Mon 14-Jan-13 13:28:25

So she might be staying because otherwise Matt would be jobless? I suppose she could remain on the board as the 'respectable face' in name only, but that would spin out the bitterness and rows.

Also I suppose Matt might be vindictive over a split, but they aren't married, so an assets divide should be pretty straightforward, surely? (I don't remember about the ex-wife [Yvonne?] and the painting, but I frequently forget large chunks of Archers back stories...)

ArtexMonkey Mon 14-Jan-13 13:38:19

Yvonne! It was driving me mental. Yes I think she's staying out of some sense of loyalty to Matt re the business. Oh I don't know. I love Lilian normally but she is getting on my bloody nerves atm, all that fuss about Whitby, it's the North Yorkshire seaside not trekking in the Yukon ffs woman.

GrendelsMum Mon 14-Jan-13 19:39:32

I think she doesn't actually want to be with Paul when push comes to shove. I think she'd rather be with Matt and this is just a little way of her getting back in control.

omletta Mon 14-Jan-13 19:42:11

She would miss being called 'Pussycat'.

GrendelsMum Mon 14-Jan-13 19:44:25

You have to admit that no-one can say 'Pussycat' in as growly a way as Matt Crawford.

sydenhamhiller Mon 14-Jan-13 19:48:47

Oh thank goodness for this thread... No one in RL listens, DH mocks it, have had to rant about this to DC3 (6 months). I love Lilian, I think she's have run off to Jersey with a new lover, not stayed around lying about Judith... (Is it Judith?)

DystopianReality Mon 14-Jan-13 19:50:49

Blimey, I love Lilian normally but she's doing my head in. I think she needs to ditch Paul (he's awful!) I think Matt suspects... he'as far too attentive to minor details about her life.

MarianForrester Mon 14-Jan-13 22:42:41

Is Paul not Bad, though? Married? Something fishy, surely?

ppeatfruit Tue 15-Jan-13 12:34:03

marian I don't remember Paul's back story either. I reckon he's too straight for Lil; she'd have to watch her drinking if she settled with him. She's enjoying all his attention and the intrigue (even though she's pretending she doesn't). She could kick Matt into touch no problem but IMO she doesn't want to.grin

HearMyRoar Tue 15-Jan-13 19:12:35

Paul is just soooo not Lillian's type. It is really annoying me that she insists on continuing all this silliness, though Matt does rather deserve it.

woollyjo Tue 15-Jan-13 19:26:49

Isn't Paul Matt's brother? but Matt was adopted? something came up whilst he was in prison and Matt wouldn't see him?

ArtexMonkey Tue 15-Jan-13 20:18:01

I remember the search for matt's birth mother, but i have no idea where paul fits in with all that.

HearMyRoar Tue 15-Jan-13 20:33:09

Paul is matt's long lost half brother I think.

CuttedUpPear Tue 15-Jan-13 20:37:38

Lilian tracked down Matt's birth family when he was in prison and that's how she met Paul. He was nice to her while Matt was being a grumpy inmate.

Then he was nice to her when Matt was being a nasty landlord.

Yes it's a bit gushy and puts me off my dinner. Does anyone listen to Ambridge Xtra, they seem to put the real backstories on there which is most annoying.

BananaramaLlama Tue 15-Jan-13 21:05:11

Didn't they (L & P) nearly get together before, while Matt was in prison? But then Lilian couldn't bring herself to abandon him when he had just got out? With some overtones of not being able to go to Paul when he was the one who'd got to be with their mother but Matt had been abandoned?

I've been wondering why her leaving never comes up, even if she's staying for the same reason you think it might come up in conversation between them.

They did shag, just the once I think, when matt was in prison.

Matt scorned, would be petrifying, no?

Yes, I thought he suspected today - "you went to the river Thames and the national gallery, eh? " etc etc

EminenceIsImminent Wed 16-Jan-13 13:18:02

Oh god Lillian is driving me insane right now. And Paul is just horrible.

ppeatfruit Wed 16-Jan-13 14:34:03

But don't forget Matt and Annabel either actually 'did it' or they were about to when they were disturbed. Matt is only trying to hang on to Lil. because his business depends on her; it's all an act IMO.

Of course if Lil chucked him out he'd probably go apeshit smile

Huh! I must have missed this whole Annabel business! Who is she?!

lljkk Wed 16-Jan-13 16:08:02

Annabel is on the Board of Borchestershire Land Grabbers, or whatever it is Brian is chair of. She's some kind of corporate Land lawyer. I thought Brian nearly got off with Annabel, too(?) It's disgusting the way Lillian & Paul openly discuss their deceit. And why hasn't he begged her to leave Matt, by now?

I think Paul was raised by Matt's birth mother, that's their shared parent.

Damn, I was so smug that I knew Lilian and paul had a history, I took my eyes off what Matt was doing.

As for Paul, he is surely building up for that conversation, say, next Monday? - or will Lilian be uncovered before then? (Bites nails in anticipation)

ppeatfruit Wed 16-Jan-13 16:23:43

IMO Paul (like Lil) enjoys the intrigue and sex they're not suited really are they? I mean she must stink of fags grin and she's not exactly god's gift either is she? He's much better looking IMO I like her voice though and her personality grin

recall Wed 16-Jan-13 16:32:32

Ive just goggle imaged the actors shock

Look soooo different to in my head !

recall Wed 16-Jan-13 16:54:40

Falon and Clarrie look right

Tommy Wed 16-Jan-13 16:57:56

I agree that Lillian just sees Paul as a dalliance - she wouldn't leave Matt for him. I think Matt was being such a s**t over the business and that old couple's house that she's angry with him. the affair is payback. I think she's cooling with Paul now isn't she?

PrincessFiorimonde Wed 16-Jan-13 18:38:07

I think Matt made, ermm, an advance on Annabel a few years back, but she turned him down.

Re: family back story - Matt was adopted and he (much later) found his birth mother, but she wasn't interested in him. Then (I think!) when Matt was in prison, Lilian either had another go at finding his birth family, or was contacted by Paul (Matt's half-brother) to let Matt know his birth mother had died.

I don't think Lilian had an affair with Paul while Matt was in prison - I think she really liked Paul, but it went no further than lingering sort of stuff along the lines of we might have got things together if life had been different. But when Matt was released from prison, he didn't want to know Paul. In fact he was quite nasty about him, and Lilian got a bit upset about it all.

Am happy to be corrected about any of this!

MarianForrester Wed 16-Jan-13 18:49:29

Had totally forgotten about the Paul long lost brother thing! Thanks.

Not right tho, is it?

He's more of a tabby than a Tiger smile

LillianGish Wed 16-Jan-13 19:07:50

I agree it's all a bit dull, but quite realistic. She got together with Paul when Matt was being his most Mattish, now the whole tenancy thing is forgotten and he's being considerate (changing Peggy's lightbulb etc) it's not so clear cut for her. They don't have anything tangible keeping them together, but they have been together a long time and they are essentially well-suited. Of course in the meantime she's got closer and closer to Paul so now she doesn't know what she wants.
I am finding the Archers very missable at the moment - can't think of a single plot that has me on the edge of my seat. I was wondering if Elizabeth and Ifty might get together - some of their exchanges seemed to be hinting at that. And what is the point of the new herd manager??? I'm hoping they have some plans for him, but can't think what they might be.

PrincessFiorimonde Wed 16-Jan-13 19:24:08

Also I agree with poster upthread: surely the dreadful Paul should by now have at least suggested, 'Why don't you leave him and come and live with me'?

Everyone's dream to leave Ambridge for Watford, after all! confused

CuttedUpPear Wed 16-Jan-13 19:32:52

LillianGish The only unrealistic thing is that they never discuss the possibility of Lilian leaving Matt!

EminenceIsImminent Wed 16-Jan-13 20:28:59

I did an actual LOL at the conversation when Lillian said "I'm sorry, I know you wanted to go for a drive" and Paul said "There's some beautiful countryside around here". Yeah, the ring road is gorgeous grin

ppeatfruit Wed 16-Jan-13 20:48:49

PrincessFlorimonde I agree with every particular EXCEPT IMO Annabel and Matt were about to "do it" she seemed up for it and I remember them being disturbed just in the nick of time.

Matt being rejected a 2nd time by his biological mother sets the psychological scene for him disliking and being jealous of Lil's family and his brother as well. That's why I think his being 'nice' to James and Peggy is actually him showing how desperate he is to hang on to Lil.

PrincessFiorimonde Wed 16-Jan-13 23:43:08

Eminence: love that about the ring road!

ppeatfruit: Lil? I realised after I started the thread that I spelled Lilian wrong in the OP. But LIL? shock

(You're probably right about the Matt and Annabel thing, though.)

Matt's obviously concerned. Maybe he'll set a private detective on to LILian?

Whiteshoes Wed 16-Jan-13 23:53:25

You are all totally right. But now he has turned completely into a sap, he'll be too scared to ask her to leave Matt in case she tells him to shove it.

Also, Lillian was attracted to Matt because he is a burly whealer and dealer who can 'andle himself. She won't be interested in Paul long term.

I wonder if he's going to get unreasonable when she chucks him?

OliviaPeacein2013Mumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 16-Jan-13 23:56:45

Matt and Annabel? I thought Brine and Annabel!

PrincessFiorimonde Thu 17-Jan-13 00:08:33

Brine and Annabel? Don't tell me they had a 'nearly' moment too? I see someone upthread said this too. My memory's obviously shot to pieces...

EminenceIsImminent Thu 17-Jan-13 06:48:31

Princess I think a private detective could be quite Matt-style. I reckon that's what he'll do.

fruitstick Thu 17-Jan-13 07:37:38

I actually think they're quite sweet.

I reckon Peggy will rumble her first.

ppeatfruit Thu 17-Jan-13 08:59:42

Oh yes 'and Brine' Olivia and princess I reckon Annabel was (we haven't heard from her for a while have we?) used by the S.W.'s in a very unfeminist way as the Borchester Land bike shock!

LillianGish Thu 17-Jan-13 14:29:49

Maybe they'll turn it round and Paul will turn nasty when he realises Lillian won't leave Matt? He and Matt are related after all - perhaps he's not as nice as he seems!

seeker Thu 17-Jan-13 14:55:26

Surely not Matt and Annabel? It was Brian- I don't think Annabel's into rough trade is she??

harrietspy Thu 17-Jan-13 15:03:17

Didn't Matt get the chance to have compassionate leave from prison to see his dying mother, but refused?

And yes, I definitely think Elizabeth and Ifty is going to be a thing.

HearMyRoar Thu 17-Jan-13 15:27:07

Maybe Paul will off himself in despair when lillian gets bored of him! We can but hope.. grin

CuttedUpPear Thu 17-Jan-13 16:27:07

I do think that Paul has it in him to be quite the opposite we've heard so far....

ppeatfruit Thu 17-Jan-13 16:34:55

Yes seeker it was years ago but she seemed to be up for anything.

PrincessFiorimonde Thu 17-Jan-13 16:43:01

seeker, I think that at one point Matt asked Annabel out for a meal.

We all know that in Archers' speak that's tantamount to asking her to run away with him to the nearest Novotel. shock

Meantime, an Elizabeth-and-Ifty storyline seems to be a popular prediction here.

seeker Thu 17-Jan-13 16:43:36

I think Paul is going to turn out to be a bad 'un. Might he murder Lillian? That would be fun- there isn't a court in the land would convict him......

ppeatfruit Thu 17-Jan-13 16:47:56

The near shag was in the Dower House and Lilian walked in just before they decided to go upstairs. IIRC.

GrendelsMum Thu 17-Jan-13 19:50:52

There's a few of us rooting for Elizabeth and Ifty after the New Year's Eye ball.

Yes, poor old Annabel never seems to meet anyone who isn't already married to an Archer.

ppeatfruit Thu 17-Jan-13 21:32:28

Ah grendel but Matt and Lilian are living together grin there's a chance for Annabel there. I 'd love to see lizzie and Ifty getting it together.

WhatSheSaid Fri 18-Jan-13 00:23:59

Oh but I don't really want to hear more of Lizzie, she's quite irritating too. And you can already tell Lily is going to be determined and feisty, just like her mother and Freddie's is going to be nice-but-dim, just like Nigel.

ArtexMonkey Fri 18-Jan-13 00:28:18

Oh I don't want to hear lizzie angsting about shagging someone else and saying "it's what Nigel would have wanted" five times an episode. And poor Kirsty, dumped again.

ppeatfruit Fri 18-Jan-13 08:40:07

artex Kirsty is not THAT keen on Ifty 'not husband material' she said. IMO Ifty is looking for the long haul which maybe Lizzie wouldn't be either hmm poor Ifty smile

Cooroo Fri 18-Jan-13 09:40:38

I find Paul very creepy. I don't think he could hold on to Lillian for long if they were together. I'm not a Matt fan but he's much better for her.

She was pathetic in Whitby, wasn't she?

Just checked and she is 65 - nice to know passionate flings can still happen at pension age. At least in TA.

GrendelsMum Fri 18-Jan-13 09:52:50

You know what, I'd adore it if Freddie turned out to be intelligent and academic and went to Cambridge to study maths. <fat chance for Son of Nigel>

Has anyone else been listening to the most recent AmEx story line? It's totally daft but I've really enjoyed it no end.

ppeatfruit Fri 18-Jan-13 10:08:14

Yes you never know though grin grendels I feel sorry for Freddie being bullied by his sister and 'pushed' by his Mum. I like the fact that Lizzie is so anxious about him; very understandable and sad

I did start listening to the Amex thing but it reminded me sooo much of the plot of a film with some old men doing a similar thing (Jim Broadbent etc.) that the laziness of the S.W's infuriated me and I couldn't listen any more grin!!!

seeker Fri 18-Jan-13 10:18:45

Are they setting us up for something dreadful happening with Bethany? Amy the wonder-midwife's on duty this qfternoon, isn't she? But surely a baby with Down's would be surrounded by paediatricians?

ppeatfruit Fri 18-Jan-13 10:23:12

OOh do you reckon? but she's 'sooo beautiful' you could be right! I'll never forget my MIL saying DD1 was 'too beautiful to live" shock [anger] she 33 BTW and very healthy grin

seeker Fri 18-Jan-13 10:26:07

She's also very sleepy, they keep saying. God, I can't cope with sad baby stories.....

OliviaPeacein2013Mumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 18-Jan-13 10:31:47

how OLD is Ifty?
And Kirsty for that matter?
I listen to Omnibus -has bethany been born then?

Whiteshoes Fri 18-Jan-13 10:33:13

Maybe she's dehydrated? (That's Bethany, not Lillian. She'll be alright on the gin, eh?) Isn't that what Vicky's worrying about latching is setting us up for? I can't understand how a midwife hadn't asked her about how b/f is going yet, nor checked what sort of nappies are being produced. Esp as I'm assuming Bethany will be getting more support. A sleepy, not feeding baby is what I had, and I don't envy her. It wasn't nice when everyone else seemed to be able to do it. Although I wasn't short of a succession of busy bodies offering conflicting advice.

seeker Fri 18-Jan-13 10:39:44

Oops, sorry, Olivia, spoiler alert!

Bizarrely, she appears to have been born into a hospital with no staff at all except the one midwife who delivered her, then said something about leaving them together for a while. She doesn't qppear to have been seen by a paediatrician, despite having Down's- and is too sleepy to feed.

Aarrgh! <puts fingers in ears>

Another omnibusser here.

ppeatfruit Fri 18-Jan-13 10:51:57

Some Downs babies have trouble with bf don't they? I thought the MW mentioned a paedriatician 'standing by' at the birth? Sorry omnibussers grin I listen the next day!

OliviaPeacein2013Mumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 18-Jan-13 10:59:10

shock at spoilers
-- <hovers finger over ban button> -- wink
May spend this pm playing catch up on iplayer ep by ep...

Abra1d Fri 18-Jan-13 11:16:32

I like Lillian {glares at everyone who doesn't}.

seeker Fri 18-Jan-13 11:31:42

So do I, Abra1d, but she is being very silly, isn't she?

Abra1d Fri 18-Jan-13 12:31:18

She is being a twit! And the Whitby whinging was most unlike her. Normally she's more robust, instead of griping about a bit of bad weather. I mean, she's a rider, n'all.

But Ambridge would be bland, bland, bland without Lillian.

ppeatfruit Fri 18-Jan-13 13:05:10

One interesting thing I've noticed is that Lilian hasn't confided in Jenny (who knows that she really fancies Paul) recently.

Unless she did it last night!! grin

Abra1d Fri 18-Jan-13 17:34:36

She knows that Jenny will say, 'Oh LilliAN!' in that tone of hers.

Tommy Fri 18-Jan-13 21:03:24

I love Lillian - I've actually enjoyed the storyline with her and Paul. I heard myself saying "you go girl" a couple of times at the beginning as Matt was being such a s**t. Still don't think it will last though....

HearMyRoar Sat 19-Jan-13 08:58:45

I just had a thought. didn't Lillian put all her cash into amside at one point when things weren't going so well? Or did I imagine that? If she leaves Matt and the business goes tits up would she lose loads of money?

I can't imagine her going all destitute just for Paul, she likes the finer things far too much.

ppeatfruit Sat 19-Jan-13 09:42:16

Oh that's interesting I don't remember her doing that; but that doesn't mean muc grin I know she's wealthy. If that's the case then they BOTH rely on each other too much to split (an invidious position to be in grin)

LondonMother Sat 19-Jan-13 15:26:11

What a great thread! Yes, Lillian is the director and ?majority shareholder in Amside. Matt is banned from being a director so would be up the creek if Lillian left him. I'm another one who can't understand why Paul and Lillian haven't talked about what they're going to do longer term. They never seem to look further ahead than the next dirty weekend.

ppeatfruit Sat 19-Jan-13 15:36:25

Praps that's because that's what it's all about londonmother!! grin So what would happen if Lil. actually changed the locks on Matt. d'you reckon?

HearMyRoar Sat 19-Jan-13 17:24:58

Surely she needs his business experience though, and his dodgy contacts. I can't see her wanting to run amside on her own, wouldn't have much time for spa days. so in that respect she needs matt as much as he needs her I think.

ppeatfruit Sat 19-Jan-13 17:29:37

I agree Hearmy She likes the lazy life; well she IS past retirement age.

SpringHeeledJack Sat 19-Jan-13 17:34:46

I love Lillian AND Matt. Together. In spite of Matt being a complete arsehole.

They are sexeh and my favourite characters by far

that Paul, however, is a Rum One

No good will come of it

Abra1d Sun 20-Jan-13 16:02:14

Lillian is also incredibly loyal, even to people who don't deserve it. I can't see her leaving Matt, though I think her stomach was turned by the Arthur and Joyce debacle: she doesn't mind him being mean to people his own weight but when he picks on weaker people, that's different.

ppeatfruit Sun 20-Jan-13 16:29:51

Yes Abrald But IMO she must either love him or be a bit thick to stick by him after goal when it was pretty obvious that the 'tiger' grin wasn't going to change his stripes.

IndridCold Sun 20-Jan-13 16:53:15

Paul is way way too good to be true. He has potential stalker written all over him (if that's possible for a radio character??)

Abra1d Sun 20-Jan-13 17:07:06


Ooh, a stalker! Remember Cathy's?

R4 Sun 20-Jan-13 22:38:19

I am shock at Paul. What a wuss.
Looks like the Alpha Male has won.

PseudoBadger Sun 20-Jan-13 22:47:49

Thank god that's over and done with I hope

LondonMother Mon 21-Jan-13 10:57:49

I think this story has a long way to go yet!

R4 Mon 21-Jan-13 11:37:04

I think this story has a long way to go yet!

I would like to agree with you but ...
-the current episode (hospital re James' broken leg) of the Lillian & Paul saga started at the back-end of October. They have had more than their allocated time (in fact, it slots nicely into a double allocation of the standard six weeks).
-we have a new character in the ECMCM and need to do somthing with him and his suspiciously missing DW
-the Bridge Farm crew have suddenly re-appeared after months of silence. It must be Their Turn.

Paul may be back at some stage, but not now.

Tommy Mon 21-Jan-13 16:34:54

I can't believe that him just saying "I'm going to have let you go" or whatever he said is the end of it? hmm

PseudoBadger Mon 21-Jan-13 17:49:05

Oh no, have we given up Paul and got Helen back shock
Come back Paul - all is forgiven!

ppeatfruit Mon 21-Jan-13 17:53:29

Well that scene showed Lil to be quite weak which isn't like her! But she obviously feels she has too much to loose if she chucked out Alpha Matt?!

GrendelsMum Mon 21-Jan-13 18:17:47

Well, I'd have told Matt where to go after that scene, the patronising sexist git.

However... maybe she didnt like Paul's house in Watford?

HearMyRoar Mon 21-Jan-13 20:56:02

matt would definitely win over moving to Watford and I grew up there so know what I'm talking about.

ppeatfruit Tue 22-Jan-13 10:24:36

Nah I reckon Lilian and Matt suit one another! A semi in Watford is not Lil's style grin

PrincessFiorimonde Tue 22-Jan-13 13:25:50

I have been away for a few days and missed Sunday's episode!

<loads iPlayer>

ppeatfruit Wed 23-Jan-13 16:22:16

So that was all a bit of a a large red herring then !! they're back to the 'same old same old' hmm

piprabbit Wed 23-Jan-13 16:28:48

I think that Lillian is going to arrange for Paul to project manage the renovation of the Victorian whatsit project that Matt's interested in (what with Paul being an expert on that sort of thing).

They'll be getting hot and heavy on the reclaimed tiles and Matt will catch them.

I feel sorry for Matt. I didn't think Lillian had it in her to be so deceitful.

ppeatfruit Wed 23-Jan-13 16:45:55

Aah pip Clever bit of forecasting you could well be right grin but before being too sympathetic to Matt have you forgotten that Matt would've been up Annabel if they hadn't been walked in on by Lil. in her house!!! I bet she hasn't forgotten it!!

piprabbit Wed 23-Jan-13 16:58:15

<hides a soft spot for Tiger> blush

ppeatfruit Wed 23-Jan-13 19:56:52

Aah i remember you like 'em rough grin!!!

piprabbit Wed 23-Jan-13 20:42:19

Tea, nose, keyboard. Thanks grin.

grants1000 Wed 06-Feb-13 17:29:19

I do like to channel my inner Lillian in daily life, especially when people are getting on my wick, you know bit of sneering/superiority, lunchtime drinking, short fuse etc etc.

Matt - we all like a bad boy don't week. Paul - she's not in love with him just the thrill of the affair (Note to MN - never had an affair so just guessing).

If you are on FB this Archers Appreciation group is super.


OliviaMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 06-Feb-13 18:10:19

Grants - does the FB group give spoilers and RL pix (can't be doing with htat)

grants1000 Wed 06-Feb-13 20:38:40

No spoliers or RL pix, do you mean real life pics? It does not do that either.

It's just comments on the story, characters, observations etc

OliviaMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 06-Feb-13 20:49:09

Yes, I don't want PHOTOS of them.
Children in Need or something did a live recording of David and Roooth
I needed eyeball bleach.
All just wrong
Thanks for tip, will take a look

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