Mike Harding has been sacked

(48 Posts)
ThreadWatcher Thu 18-Oct-12 22:54:18

Because his show isnt live - that appears to be the only reason

Guardian link

Nooooooooooo bring back Mike cos I love his show sad

ThreadWatcher Thu 18-Oct-12 23:06:29

bump

ThreadWatcher Fri 19-Oct-12 13:33:25

Nobody cares but me!!!!

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Pancakeflipper Fri 19-Oct-12 13:36:48

I tragically listen to Mike cos its usually on the radio following Mr Mayo when I doing some work and I am too lazy to get up. I will miss him. Seems a poor reason to sack him. Have they sacked the producer etc? They must have known he wasn't live.

Indith Fri 19-Oct-12 13:45:35

I care. I love Mike. I used to tape his show the way other kids were taping the top 40 sad. It has made me very cross.

I reckon it is because folk has got more popular, or rather there is a lot of folk influenced pop at the moment and many people are finding folk through that, attending folk festivals and so on so they want a more popular presenter doing the show to draw those people in and increase listener numbers. Mark Radcliffe will probably do that. The show won't be the same though and I expect it to include a lot more Mumford and Sons type stuff and other popular artists like Kate Rusby (nothing against her, she is lovely just that she is a well known name and an entry route to folk for a lot of people) and a lot less really traditional music or really innovative stuff.

If anyone dares mess with Bob Harris I swear I will spill blood.

ThreadWatcher Fri 19-Oct-12 13:50:12

Someone else cares yay!

Mark Radcliffe isn't a folk fan is he? Or knowledgable?

Its nice that folk is more widely heard on the radio nowadays but that is absolutely no substitute for a specialist show!
Listen to the band (can't get much more specialist) for example - it bet that is prerecorded.
Sunday love songs - ditto
Friday night art show - recent episode seemed per recorded.

Bring back Mike.........

Pancakeflipper Fri 19-Oct-12 13:57:29

I also love Johnny Walker on a Sunday late afternoon. He's recorded.

I think the nail has been hit on head - they want funky folk presenters.

Indith Fri 19-Oct-12 13:58:40

exactly, it just won't be the same experience with Mark Radcliffe.

why does it matter that it is pre recorded? Not like there is going to be sudden breaking news in the folk world in the time between recording and airing. I hate to break it to the BBC but most of their most popular TV shows are pre recorded.

Pancakeflipper Fri 19-Oct-12 14:01:39

Ooh don't know Indrith, someone might break a guitar string. Earth shattering news and I couldn't wait a week to hear that news.

The one thing I love about Mike is his history, he will talk about a gig 20 yes ago and about lyrics that relate to something way back.

ThreadWatcher Fri 19-Oct-12 14:02:35

Wasn't it Radcliffe that used to do the Mark and Lard show

Mark and Lard was a show I hated so much I used to 'fly' to the radio to switch it off the minute it came on - vile and not funny (or folk)

DuelingFanjo Fri 19-Oct-12 14:04:15

Is Mark Radcliffe going to be doing a folk show?
I know he is into his weird folk stuff but not the historical stuff like Mike Harding. Shame.

Pancakeflipper Fri 19-Oct-12 14:05:11

Yep, the Mark got Stuart Maconie. Now they did make good radio though Stuart Maconie is the better out of the pair of them. Got great knowledge and stories to tell.

ThreadWatcher Fri 19-Oct-12 14:06:04

Radcliffe is 54 - not exactly hip cool and youthful

I'm liking the BBC less and less sad

Indith Fri 19-Oct-12 14:08:14

Dh suggested maybe they are streamlining to cut costs, keeping presenters that are on staff so to speak and getting rid of those that are freelance types. Not that I know if that is true of Mike Harding.

apprenticeboy Fri 19-Oct-12 14:08:47

Radcliffe is a folk fan.
He covers the Cambridge folk festival.

This means that I can start listening to R2 in the evenings again.

I adore Radcliffe. I saw him at Clitheroe Grand last year - really good show.

ThreadWatcher Fri 19-Oct-12 14:09:13

I used to love Andy Kershaws world music show too (before he got intontrouble in his personal life)
He was ditched too - despite his unparalleled (afaik) knowledge of world music.

BBC also ditched the world music show from world service sad

ThreadWatcher Fri 19-Oct-12 14:12:09

Even if listeners would like to have Radcliffe present a show -that doesn't excuse the BBC bosses phoning Harding up and sacking him without warning in a two minute conversation, having not spoken to him for 15 years (since he was given the show)

member Fri 19-Oct-12 14:12:34

That's disgusting! If you ask me, it is ageism having somebody younger already lined up for his job. Although Mike Harding has been around for years, he's not exactly a pewter tankard & Aran sweater merchant who believes folk is just about 40 verse ballads fgs!

DuelingFanjo Fri 19-Oct-12 14:15:51

"Dh suggested maybe they are streamlining to cut costs, keeping presenters that are on staff so to speak and getting rid of those that are freelance types. Not that I know if that is true of Mike Harding. "

IIRC it would make more sense to have freelancers as the BBC wouldn't have to pay all their taxes etc - all the extra costs that come with having someone on payroll. Freelancers are cheaper.

Indith Fri 19-Oct-12 14:16:46

I'm not saing Radcliffe isn't a folk fan. I am saying it will be a very different show.

Plus of course as Thread says Harding has been ditched very bluntly for no reason.

Can you imagine that happening in any other line of work? "oh no sorry, I decided when I woke up this morning that I want Bob to be the line Manager instead so don't come back next week."

ThreadWatcher Fri 19-Oct-12 14:21:43

Apologies to Radcliffe as it seems he is "steeped in folk" but he is not Mr Harding whom I love!

telegraph link
this link also says he wrote music for danger mouse and count duckula (the theme tune?)

He's amazing, he's fantastic, wherever there is folk music he is there! (or was until BBC cruelly sacked him?

Indith Fri 19-Oct-12 14:23:16

dueling it depends on how much you pay the freelancers. FIL is a contractor at the moment and the pay is way more than it would be if he were on staff. Ditto contracters dh works with, they are the ones they get rid of when cost cutting because they are so expensive. Course it may be different in the entertainment world.

I'm going to miss Mike though.

DuelingFanjo Fri 19-Oct-12 14:24:31

And... being fair to the BBC adn BBC radio - there's a history of changing presenters, moving the schedule around and so on. They do it all the time. Remember Dave Lee Travis and his outburst?

recall Fri 19-Oct-12 14:24:58

It is a real shame sad

haggisaggis Fri 19-Oct-12 14:36:35

That's a real shame. I started listening to Mike's show about a year ago when I drive home - I now really look forward to it! I like teh sound of his voice and he seems to really like what he is doing. Mark Radcliffe does not appeal to me nearlly as much.

GrendelsMum Fri 19-Oct-12 19:29:16

Mike Harding's been sacked? But who's going to play his music? Pah.

ThreadWatcher Fri 19-Oct-12 21:26:11

Im still harrumphing over this so for those who are also harrumphing

Daily Mail link

- where he says he hasnt had a pay rise in 15 years so it surely cant be a financial issue - and he isnt J Savile or J Ross

DorsetKnob Fri 19-Oct-12 21:29:27

Graham Norton pre records.

I knwo Tony Blackburn is live but whoever did pop-pickers pre Tony was always pre-recorded.

ThreadWatcher Fri 19-Oct-12 21:39:21

So Radio2 is swamped with pre recorded programmes but its Mike Harding that gets the heave ho

sad

...and bloody Steve 'Love the show' gets to stay sad
It's all wrong

DorsetKnob Fri 19-Oct-12 21:45:24

I hate 'Steve love the show' always lisetn to R4 of Five Live at that point.

Pancakeflipper Sat 20-Oct-12 07:40:14

Graham isn't live? Huh that's my Saturday morning spoilt.

I would love to see the viewing figures for 'Steve love the show'. I bet they drop between Jeremy and Simon. Ed Byrne did his show this week and it was brill.

mayihaveaboxofchoculaits Sat 20-Oct-12 07:52:58

Does anyone know how we/I can complain about this?

apprenticeboy Sat 20-Oct-12 08:46:03

How do you know if a show is pre recorded or not?

I'm sad for mike but glad radcliffe is coming back to 2.

NotMostPeople Sat 20-Oct-12 08:49:30

Right now I'd question any random BBC firings.

DameMargotFountain Sat 20-Oct-12 08:54:05

DH and I were talking about this other night - Mike Harding IS folk music, and will miss him as well.

I'm not sure about Mark Radcliffe, I loved his show on 6, but recently he's been quite disparaging towards some of his phone-in guests, especially young female ones hmm

Pancakeflipper Sat 20-Oct-12 09:15:00

I like Mark Radcliffe but I think sometimes his mood influences the tone of the show.

If there was anything other reasons for Hardy leaving in light of other issues at the Beeb, I would think Hardy would slink off very quietly and not be doing stuff in the Guardian.

DameMargotFountain Sat 20-Oct-12 09:16:56

glad it's not just me that notices Radcliffe's moods then grin

ThreadWatcher Sat 20-Oct-12 13:07:23

Notmost - a friend has suggested that re apparently random firings
But I agree with pancake, if I had something to hide I wouldnt be willing to be photographed for all the national newspapers!

Im sticking with my "I love Mike" mantra unless I have a definate reason to think otherwise!

mayihaveaboxofchoculaits Sat 20-Oct-12 18:04:45

Firied off my first bbc complaint re hardy .feel the way it happened was underhand.defender of ex folk presenters everywhere!

Pancakeflipper Sat 20-Oct-12 18:40:15

I reckon Radcliffe clicked his trendy hip young er than Hardy folky fingers and said "ahem Radio 2, I want to come to play at at your station."

And they chucked Mike over board and Radcliffe in a cheery mood skipped in.

bacon Sat 20-Oct-12 22:35:36

What about the sh*t - sounds of the 60's on a Saturday morning that cant be live, its beyond dreadful talk about banging on about todays music my toes are curling at the utter crud this man is playing. I dive to change this over to Heart cos thats the only other chanel I can bear. Beyond dreadful.

mayihaveaboxofchoculaits Tue 23-Oct-12 15:23:54

Complained to BBC, and got standard response e-mail, saying Mike Harding will have another show in 2013, and how wonderful Radcliffe is. Didnt expect much ,so a reply is nice. I guess the new MH show will be 12.45am , on radio wherever.hmm

choccyp1g Sat 27-Oct-12 21:05:58

I love Mike Harding's show because he plays good stuff, and
I love recorded shows, they don't have a load of rubbishy talk and chat and phonecalls and emails and tweets being read out instead of the music.

NetworkGuy Mon 29-Oct-12 13:44:53

ayihaveaboxofchoculaits - "Does anyone know how we/I can complain about this?"

R4 "Feedback" covers all BBC Radio so that's an obvious place.

A question about why Mike Harding has been fired, with a supplementary of "and if it's because his show is pre-recorded, are there any other shows on R2 which are pre-recorded and why was his singled out" might be worthwhile to get Roger Bolton and team to consider the question with more significance.

ThreadWatcher Mon 29-Oct-12 13:57:17

Network -contacting roger Bolton is a fantastic idea. I'm on the case!

I try to catch up with feedback on the I player - I haven't listened for a couple of weeks so maybe it's been talked about already?

ThreadWatcher Mon 29-Oct-12 22:59:45

Job done! email to feedback show asking to know the % of prerecorded shows on Radio 2 and why his much loved show has been ditched.

ThreadWatcher Thu 01-Nov-12 19:40:28

And now Danny Baker ditched from his BBClondon shows bbcnews

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