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Torn between BabyJogger Versa and Bugaboo Bee+. Help!

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Badgerhoney Tue 29-Jan-13 13:42:16

Hi,
Just wondering if anyone can help me on this one. One minute I think I've settled on the Versa then the next I'm swaying back to the Bee+. I've looked at loads of others and narrowed it down to these two, but just can't decide which one. If anyone has used these and can offer any pearls of wisdom, I would be forever grateful!

I live in a city basement flat with a short flight of stairs outside. Pavements around where I live can be quite cracked and bumpy in places, but the town centre is smooth.

I'll mainly be walking into and around town and to the park/along the river which is bit more rough terrain in patches. Car and short bus journeys a couple of times a week.

The Bee - I love the lightweight feel and the idea of being able to move in and out of tight spaces. I also wonder will having the Bee mean avoiding having to get another smaller lightweight stroller later on. I struggled when I tried swapping the seat round in the shop and found the two hand fold/unfold a bit fiddly. Also feel a tad concerned about a newborn being safe so low down and in only a cocoon. Biggest concern is the wheels. Will they cope with pavement cracks, rougher patches of ground, cobbles? And the shimmying problem I keep hearing about. One of the display models I played with in the shop actually had this problem.

The Versa - love most things about this including ease of folding, turning the seat, big basket, feels sturdy. Main worries are the weight. It feels heavy to lift when folded so I doubt I could carry it very far but guess one flight of stairs or onto a bus would be ok. Not sure about curbs. Also, it's a bit bigger unfolded than the Bee so wonder if it will fit through all doors, be easy to move in shops/restaurants/public transport. Also, I'd like the GT version but don't think I could handle the extra weight, but wonder if the standard wheel version will be good enough.

Sorry for the rambling.

Look forward to hearing from anyone who has experience of these two and could maybe help.

Cheers!

Badgerhoney

Tiggywunkle Wed 30-Jan-13 01:26:04

The Versa is absolutely fine up kerbs. It is heavy to carry and longish - I am not sure how easy it will be to carry up and down stairs. The standard version in many ways is better than the GT - its got better suspension and is much lighter to push. The GT has its appeal but I dont think you need the chunky wheels. The regular wheels will be fine for most every day stuff.

The Bee apparently will sling over one shoulder to be carried. I still struggle with my Bee seat after a year but its not something you change every day or even every month.

If you think you can carry the Versa (even in two parts ie remove the seat) up and down your steps then definitely get that. If not, get the Bee.

Badgerhoney Wed 30-Jan-13 08:54:26

Thanks for replying Tiggywunkle, really appreciate it. You mentioned that the Versa is longish. How do you find it for going round shops? Is it ok for getting round tight corners, lifts, buses, that sort of thing? Also, with the Bee, can it cope with patches of rough ground, such a cracked pavements or uneven river paths? It's mostly ok where I live but I do plan on walking a lot and there are a few dodgy patches to get through in between the strandard pavements.
Thanks a mill,
badgerhoney

Ihateparties Wed 30-Jan-13 12:28:35

I walk a lot and depending on how small the spaces are you're talking about i have ended up settling for a slightly larger pushchair for a more comfortable push. There are few places my small tandem 61cm wide, 106ish long, doesn't fit and the versa is slightly smaller than that. It is by no means compact but it doesn't catch easily on things iyswim, the wheels don't protrude far from the chassis etc. My ideal would be bee sized but bigger better wheels and a more robust frame. Lots of people local to me use bees and umbrella strollers daily but i find the pavement, cobbles, paths etc.too rough. At the end of the day what is more important to you.. size or a better more comfortable push (although the bee is excellent to push it's not the same as something larger and sturdier)?

Badgerhoney Wed 30-Jan-13 15:04:28

Thanks for the info, that's really helpful. I guess by tight spaces I'm thinking of smaller shops and cafes as opposed to bigger department stores and shopping centres. Totally agree about the Bee, it would be excellent if just bit more sturdy and with chunkier wheels. I just don't want to be getting stuck in cracks, and I'd be gutted if I got one with the shimmying wheels, which still seems to be getting reported by folk on Bugaboo's Facebook page.

One thing I did wonder about with the Versa is what happens if the baby grows out of the carrycot early? I hear that some babies get too big for carrycots by 4 months. Not sure what I would do if that happens as not able to use the main bucket seat until the baby is six months. Happy to use a sling for pottering around but not sure I'd want be totally dependent on one for a couple of months. I guess having a flat seat is an advantage of the Bee. Hmmmm.

Ihateparties Wed 30-Jan-13 15:49:09

When i had a peach blossom with bucket seats and a 4 month old i got a stokke newborn wedge off ebay, which flattened out the seat considerably. There is a footmuff with integrated wedge called the smartmuff that does the same, plus silver cross do one for the surf. It would depend how comfortable you are with this type of improvisation. There is a pic on my profile of the stokke wedged lower seat on the peach blossom with 4 month old in situ if that helps.

Ihateparties Wed 30-Jan-13 15:52:05

That said personally i prefer a flat seat too if i'm honest but i am the type of idiot willing to import things to get what i want blush

Badgerhoney Wed 30-Jan-13 15:58:19

Thanks! When I tried the UB Vista ages ago they had a wedge snug seat which I thought seemed ok but I never thought of using a wedge from one make of pushchair in different make. That could definitely be a good option. I'll check those ones out. Thanks again.

Love love love my Bee. Have had two Bees and now a Bee+ and it's my overall favourite (and I've had a few!). It's light, nippy, decent sized basket, DD2 was very cosy and happy in the cocoon when she was a newborn. She hated the carrycot on the bigger pushchair I had. Now she's just turned 1 I can still pop the car seat on the frame with the adaptors.

Mostly use it nipping round town and in and out of the car. It copes perfectly well with the odd slightly rougher walk though.

Badgerhoney Wed 30-Jan-13 16:03:19

I think I prefer a flat seat too as think it might be better for them to stretch their little backs out a bit, which I'm not sure they do properly in a reclined bucket seat. But I guess loads of pushchairs have bucket seat reclines and the babies seem pretty content so must be ok?

Badgerhoney Wed 30-Jan-13 16:43:24

Oh Gwen, now I'm swaying back to the Bee. Eek, I'm totally torn! Nice to hear some positive feedback on the Bee though. I really liked it at first but then got a bit disillusioned by tales of wheel problems and rickety frames.

Did you find it ok taking the baby out of the cocoon if she'd fallen asleep after a walk. Not sure about waking them up when lifting them out to take into the house as with a carrycot can easily just take that in without disturbing them. Also, do you find the canopy gives enough coverage in summer when they are lying flat? Thought the Versa one might be a bit deeper.

I wasn't sure if the basket was big enough on the Bee, but maybe that's cus half of it was taken up by the rain cover in the shop and I could only get my handbag in the front with a bit of a shove, let alone a changing bag. So not sure where I'd put any shopping in town. I'd be walking back from town or maybe getting the bus, so would probably need to get some of those handle bar clips for hanging bags on. Worry a bit about using those on something as light as a Bee though in case of tipping over.

So you'd say it's ok on patches of rougher ground like, say, cobbles, unpaved foot paths and grass? It's not like I'm going to be trekking through fields or building sites, but the surfaces are a bit churned up in places.

Also, what age do think a Bee will last until? Some say a 3 year old can fit in one no probs other say toddlers outgrown them quickly.

So good to have this feedback. Thanks ladies! Finding it so hard to decide as love walking and don't want to be restricted on what surfaces the pushchair can go on, but also want to nip in and out of shops and cafes without knocking over displays or bumping into things! If I could afford to I'd buy them both. But alas no, it has to be one or t'other.

Badgerhoney

daisydoodoo Wed 30-Jan-13 16:49:22

You'll still need a stroller even if you buy a bee unless you have tiny children. Although this is based on my experience of the bee looking silly with a 2 yr old in.

I had the bee for dd1 and sold it shortly after as at 19 months old she looked silly in it and didnt like the slight recline when on the most upright position.

I had hoped that those problems would have bern ironed out with the bee plus but had similar problem with dd2.

Fwiw dd1 has always been tall and slim and dd2 is average height and build to her peers.

Badgerhoney Wed 30-Jan-13 17:24:32

Daisy - that's really useful to know, thanks. I really thought getting a Bee would mean only ever needing the one. I totally accept that if I buy a Versa I may need a backup lightweight mclaren type thing later on, but think I would be a bit annoyed having to buy another stoller after only having a Bee for a couple of years. Having two lightweight strollers seems a bit pointless. But having a Versa for walks and an umbrella stroller later on for nipping to shops seems more acceptable. Funny, when I put a Mclaren next to the Bee in the shop I figured the seats seemed similar sizes so assumed they would both last until at least three. Or am I missing something?

RooneyMara Wed 30-Jan-13 17:28:40

Ooh interesting thread - thanks OP and everyone else, I'm learning a lot from it too.

Can I just ask - if it's not a complete hijack - is there anything NOT great about the versa?

RooneyMara Wed 30-Jan-13 17:31:13

Oh just if it helps - not sure if it does though - I saw someone having great problems with spinning and rattling front wheels on a bee about a year ago. she was going down a subway with it - I made a sympathetic face and she said, I know, I was told it's not a fault, there's nothing they can do!' I'm not sure if that's true or not but it really put me off the bee. I also hate the way it has no sides to the seat. I like them to have sides, where things can go to be retrieved later. bits of biscuit mostly

Ihateparties Wed 30-Jan-13 17:35:25

^ this is what people disagree on, some say bee is a stroller and eliminates the need for something else, others say like above it isn't big enough. I suppose what people class as outgrown really does differ quite a lot.

Where I live there are lots of sneaky small shops, the versa will likely be fine but obviously smaller is easier in those contexts. I don't think I would want to have only a versa longer term. S'pose the bee is the best compromise between pram and stroller for those who want or need to only have one pushchair and one only.

Tiggywunkle Wed 30-Jan-13 21:01:15

If you buy the right pushchair, you should never need a "stroller". For many people they "downsize" to the Bee after the Cameleon or Donkey. I have my 2 year old in ours and my 4 year old looks fab in it still. The seat "grows" with the child and my 2 year old still has it on the smallest settings so he has tons of room to grow and definitely doesn't look silly.

Meanwhile my 2 year old can still fit in the Versa carrycot, so dont worry one bit about your baby growing out of it!!

I also wouldn't worry at all about the Versa in small shops. There really is not much between any single pushchair TBH, and its when you get to double stage that you start to worry more about whether it will fit somewhere or not.

I think my gut feeling is that the Versa will cope with your pavements better, give you the basket space you need - the Bee basket is limited.

Worst case, dont get too hung up on finding the right pushchair. Treat a pushchair as a rental. Get what you think is right, dont get too attached to it, and if its not working, then have a rethink.

Just as an aside, have you looked at the Mutsy Evo?

Rooney the only thing thats not great about the Versa is that its a bit long folded - but its down to the front wheels and if you pop those off, then its much smaller!!

Badgerhoney Wed 30-Jan-13 22:02:52

Thanks so much for all your replies. Lots to mull over. Think I'm swaying towards the Versa, but just worry about the weight (lifting and carrying more than pushing). Been out on antenatal course this evening and my brain is mush - hopefully all will become clear in the morning and I'll be able to make a decision.
Tiggy-heard that evo hard on curbs and bulky folded to ruled it out. Thanks for the extra Versa support though. Much appreciated!

Also, what are folks view on parent facing? For me it's been essential in picking something, but some friends of mine who've had babies say once you get to six months you get over it want them facing out in the world. I kinda think I'd like to have the baby facing me longer or at least give them the option as have heard some babies like to switch to face you when they're tired or upset even when aged one or older. And i think it will just be nice to chat with them on walks sometimes.
And the thought of not having the baby face me if they need to after only six months bothers me a bit. Seems so soon and final. Otherwise I would have just gone for a bjmc GT and wouldn't be in such a pram pickle! Hee.

Thanks again!

Tiggywunkle Thu 31-Jan-13 00:27:31

I sit on the fence a bit re parent facing. First of all I appreciate the parent / child contact is lovely. But if you are with your child all day long, then I dont see it as essential for an outing. If you spend hours out every day then I see it as more essential.
When you get into the realms of double pushchairs, you realise how hard it is to have your baby or either child parent facing. And one of the compromises that is often made is that your child/ren need to forward face just to be able to push them easily. When you consider that most children will sleep for the duration of most outings until they are around 12 months old, I dont see parent facing as essential for a baby.
My eldest was more than happy facing forwards by 12 months old. But at rising 2, my youngest had a major major separation anxiety and as a result he is parent facing whenever we can on an outing. So each child is individual as well.
I actually think its nicer to have your child parent facing once they are a bit older and then you can talk to them. If I have my choice, my children do parent face, but sometimes forward facing eg if you are in a cafe and want to tuck the pushchair up to the table, is useful to have.
So I think there's pros and cons for both. I dont think its something to get too hung up about, but equally I think its a good option to have.
I think 6 months as a figure is a bit hmm....I bet this is when your friends ditched their big heavy pushchairs for an umbrella fold?

RooneyMara Thu 31-Jan-13 07:28:33

Thanks Tiggy - will bear the length in mind. Badger, fwiw I took ds3 out in the Britax (b agile) the other day and while he seemed fairly comfy in it (he's 4 weeks old) I hated not being able to see him, so walked alongside it most of the way. The hood window is useless on this one. So definitely get the option for parent facing if you can - even if it's just a carrycot and then switch to seat at 6-9 months or so.

milk Thu 31-Jan-13 08:41:17

Baby Jogger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

daisydoodoo Thu 31-Jan-13 09:44:15

its nice to have theem forward facing as babies and in carrycots or lying flat at the very least, but mine have always been nosey and wanted to face out to see what was going on rather than staring at me.

Its nice to have the option but as long as they arent in the buggy all day every day then its not essential.

a fab buggy which im sure you can get a carrycot for is the baby jogger city mini, the seat will last longer than any other stroller and its really lightweight, that super easy baby jogger fold, large hood so good for rain and sun. My dd2 is 3 and half now and although she no longer uses a buggy she could easily fit into the baby jogger city mini and not look silly. the same applies for the city elite, nice big seat and would last throughout your buggy using years i you didnt want to buy stroller.

Have you looked at the uppababy vista? thats a fab pram, good carrycot, simple and easy to use. option to add a toddler seat should you have another baby fairly quickly. you would probably still be looking at buying a maclaren or simialr at about 2 years old but the uppababy is a good price compared to a lot of them, especially as has the carrycot too.

Badgerhoney Thu 31-Jan-13 10:16:18

Daisy - I did really fancy a City Mini GT as I think it seems great, would last until walking and is 2kg lighter to carry than the Versa, but I was just put off by not having a parent facing seat (after 6 months with the carry cot). But maybe I'm making too much of a big deal out of the parent facing thing. Also thought the City Mini seemed longer and wider than Versa, and might be trickier around shops/cafes. The Vista is lovely but way too big for our car boot, so I ruled out that and anything that's bulky when folded, and narrowed it down to the Versa and Bee.

One thing I wondered about the BJ Versa and BabyJoggers in general is the seat position. Is it ok not having a proper upright setting? Highest setting seems to still be quite reclined, particularly on the City Mini. Heard a few people say that as babies get older they start having to pull themselves forward in the City Mini to see out better so not sitting in the seat properly, but maybe that's more because the City Mini has deeper frabic at the sides than the Versa. Not sure.

RooneyMara Thu 31-Jan-13 11:20:29

I don't know about the seat - have you got somewhere you can go and have a look?

If you're thinking of ordering a Versa then they have it at 329 at Lesters Nursery world - online shop - also they have the footmuff at half price.

RooneyMara Thu 31-Jan-13 11:20:57

Oh and they have the versa GT at 369 as well. Those are the best prices I've seen anywhere.

RooneyMara Thu 31-Jan-13 11:35:32

Tiggy, may I ask is the GT shorter folded than the Versa?

On Bestbuggy it looks shorter. (image 18)

Badgerhoney Thu 31-Jan-13 11:53:10

Thanks RooneyMara. Have tried it out in the shop so have seen the seat. Don't think it's a big deal really, just noticed it was a bit less upright compared to the Bee.
My local pram shop has a good deal on in the sale, though not quite as good as Lesters. I might see if they can price match, so thanks for the tip.

I'd love a GT Versa but it would make it 13kg which I think I'd struggle with as the standard one is already 11.9kg. Tiggy pointed out that the standard version is actually a bit lighter to push because of the all wheel suspension so think I'd have to go with that one as I'm not massively strong. Hope the standard versa wheels will be ok. I think they are the same as the back wheels on the standard city mini. What do folk think of the quality of these? I hope they're long lasting and not too noisy and rattly being hard plastic instead of rubber...

RooneyMara Thu 31-Jan-13 12:11:03

I'm so sorry, I was skimming through the thread trying to see if you had seen it in real life, etc etc but couldn't manage to read it all so I think I missed some stuff you have already said! blush

Yes the GT is apparently a bit heavier - the site I linked to didn't seem too bothered, they said they could hardly tell which is good. I like the quality of the mini wheels - but I think I prefer the look of the GT ones and they're narrower as well though I don't know if this makes any difference in practice.

I've gone for the GT (cancelled order from Debenhams last week - glad I did now). Good luck with the price match, you might be lucky - I asked our local store if they would be getting it and they said no, the Babystyle Oyster is their best seller and is quite similar, and cheaper - well I looked at it in their shop and hated the quality. It's a shame as I'd like to buy it locally.

I imagine the seat not being so upright might be a bit annoying as time goes on but then again, there are so many advantages to the versa against the bee, imo anyway - I'd kind of see it as nothing is perfect, and still the best option. I think the bee is quite a fragile sort of buggy, tiny wheels always get stuck in things - actually that's what I hate about the cameleon, the way that going down a kerb can be quite hairy, as the front wheels are so tiny.

The BJ wheels are much better in comparison.

Badgerhoney Thu 31-Jan-13 12:16:50

Thanks RooneyMara. Have tried it out in the shop so have seen the seat. Don't think it's a big deal really, just noticed it was a bit less upright compared to the Bee.
My local pram shop has a good deal on in the sale, though not quite as good as Lesters. I might see if they can price match, so thanks for the tip.

I'd love a GT Versa but it would make it 13kg which I think I'd struggle with as the standard one is already 11.9kg. Tiggy pointed out that the standard version is actually a bit lighter to push because of the all wheel suspension so think I'd have to go with that one as I'm not massively strong. Hope the standard versa wheels will be ok. I think they are the same as the back wheels on the standard city mini. What do folk think of the quality of these? I hope they're long lasting and not too noisy and rattly being hard plastic instead of rubber...

Badgerhoney Thu 31-Jan-13 12:25:31

Oops, somehow managed to post my message twice there by! I've pretty much discounted the Bee now as I don't think it will cope with some of the rougher patches of terrain I need to go on. So I think it will defo be the Versa (hurrah!). I am drawn to those GT wheels, esp for Scottish winters. But on a daily basis I need to be able to bump up kerbs etc and think the 4 wheel suspension/evo wheels instead of two wheel suspension/GT wheels might suit me better for that as not so strong. But those GT wheels are sooooooo tempting...

Badgerhoney Thu 31-Jan-13 12:28:54

RooneyMara - just out of interest are you going to be using the Versa for a newborn?

RooneyMara Thu 31-Jan-13 13:15:40

Hiya, yes I know what you mean - I'm hoping the lack of rear suspension isn't too noticeable.

I do have a 4wo but am presently using other prams - we've got an old Emmaljunga Edge which I kept from ds2, and it's so cushioned, it's great - I like babies to be in something that really is a soft ride. So I probably won't use it till he is a bit bigger tbh.

Not sure if you're supposed to use these for new babies actually - isn't the BJCM from 6 months? I am confuddled smile Unless it's with the carrycot of course. I still prefer the big old air tyres on our Emmal I think. Though after about 5-6 months it becomes super heavy to push, won't swivel round corners etc so I never get round to using the seat unit on it at all.

Just as well it was second hand!

Badgerhoney Thu 31-Jan-13 13:32:17

Hiya, you can only use the Versa with a carrycot for first six months cus of the bucket seat, so I'll be doing that and hoping the baby doesn't outgrow it early. Apparently, it's a big carrycot so should be ok. If not, I could possibly use a baby seat wedge insert to flatten the bucket seat for a few weeks. Not sure about this option though. The bjcm actual seat is a flat recline so it can be used from birth. You can get a carrycot too, but only really need it so that the baby can be parent facing for the early months. I think if I really had to have GT wheels, I'd have to go for the bjcm GT instead of the Versa, just to keep the weight down for carrying up the steps outside my house and putting in the car boot. But I think I'd miss the longer term parent facing option that the Versa gives. So many decisions. I think I'm finding it hard as it's my first and they're not due for another 5 weeks so I've no idea what they'll like/want - so am trying to cover all bases! Bet after all this, I end up just using a sling for two years! Hee hee.

Ihateparties Thu 31-Jan-13 13:54:38

If you're worried about outgrowing the carrycot, do you have the measurements handy? i have just under 98th centile dc1s red book here, he was 10.5kg and 71cm at 25 weeks, which is more or less 6 months. According to the john lewis website the versa cot is 75cm long, assume this is outside measurement but I think ds would still have technically fitted in. Weight would have been more of a problem if it has a 9kg weight limit. None of my others would have been anywhere close to outgrowing it in weight or length. Does that help? Unless you're particularly likely to have an off the charts huge baby then it sounds like it will be okay size wise. The thing that's harder to predict is how long your particular baby will be happy to lie flat in it for!

Badgerhoney Thu 31-Jan-13 14:11:20

I hate parties - Oooo, thanks for the info. This is a whole new realm of stuff to think about. I don't even know what 98th centile means, eek! Yep, dimensions are L75 x W50 x H55cm (with hood up). On babyjogger US site it says weight limit is 25lb. So I guess it should be ok. I was wondering about how long they actually lie flat for though too, if they start pulling themselves up earlier than 6 months (at what say 4months?), I guess it's no longer safe to have them in the carrycot but there's no harness, right? Hmmm, so that would be when I would have to use a wedge insert or the car seat and limit the length of time being out and about. Tricky. Oh dear.

Ihateparties Thu 31-Jan-13 14:47:58

I haven't got one (cos I'm useless with this sort of stuff) but if you find some sort of developmental chart it should give you an idea of what to expect and at what sort of age broadly speaking. If they're got enough muscle strength and control to pull themselves up though then it kind of follows they probably have enough to sit safely in the seat unit so I doubt it would be a problem in reality iyswim. I think 4m would be pretty early for pulling up but at 6m it's more likely (unless my expectations are way off?)

You usually can attach a harness to a carrycot though, if you're worried. I think it's only very recently that regs changed and there no longer have to be d rings or similar on them to attach your own harness.

I don't fully understand the centile charts but generally 2nd centile = statistically small 98th centile = statistically big.

PopsyWind Thu 31-Jan-13 14:59:44

Bugaboo bee is terrible on cobbles!

Having said that everything else about it has been perfect for me. Got it 4 yrs ago for new born DS and haven't needed another.

DS moved to buggy board when DD born (although there was 2y 9m between them) and its only just starting to get sl rickety.

Badgerhoney Thu 31-Jan-13 20:00:22

Had a look online and seems they pull themselves up anytime from six months, so should be ok. Hopefully anyway!

Tiggywunkle Fri 01-Feb-13 01:07:16

Badger my DD was very very early physically. She could sit up on her own at 3 months old, and was crawling by 6 months. But she also would sleep for England! So within minutes of leaving the house, she would be fast asleep in her carrycot. When she woke up, if she wanted to sit up, we would harness her into the carrycot with an add on harness and she was fine.
But TBH that was very rare. We used to keep her laid down. So I wouldnt worry. She moved to a seat at 5 and a half months.
But a typical child will sit unaided at around 6 months and crawl around 9-10 months. They shouldnt pull themselves up until nearer the 12 month mark.

RooneyMara Fri 01-Feb-13 07:26:54

ds3 hates lying flat most of the time so I'm already propping him up, sort of at an angle against the side of the pram - which is very padded - as the pram we're using has a prop-up back rest. He looks around for a while then goes to sleep, so I lie him down then. Probably not ideal!

Badgerhoney Fri 01-Feb-13 09:45:49

Thanks for the info. I guess all babies are different and there's no way of nowing until s/he arrives. I could get a Bee+ and s/he Good to know all this stuff in advance though so I'm prepared. I'll just have to hope the baby's doesn't grow too fast and likes lying down!

Tiggy (or anyone else who already has a versa), do you find the stand evo wheels quite quiet or noisy when you're walking along? I'm sure the GT wheels would be nice and quiet but not sure about the standard ones as they're hard plastic. I've only wheeled one round a pram shop so can't tell. Whenever I pass folk with umbrella strollers I always notice the sound of the plastic wheels rumbling along the pavement. I know it's probably daft, but I wonder if it might bug me if the standard versa sounds like that.

Badgerhoney Fri 01-Feb-13 09:49:10

Ps I didn't finish my first sentence. I meant to say, I could get a Bee+ and the baby could hate lying strapped into the the cocoon so prob no just as much risk as getting a versa and them hating the carrycot (if that makes sense?!) confused

RooneyMara Fri 01-Feb-13 10:36:35

Badger, I haven't got mine yet but I do have a buggy with similar wheels - the Britax B agile - and I didn't notice the wheels making any sound the other day when I took it out. It was fine and our pavements are dreadful...this town is built for tourists so it's all bloody heritage cobbles and so on! Awful for prams.

It was even Ok on those, though the Emmal is the best for that sort of terrain. I do always notice the sound of an oncoming Bee though! I think cos of the smallness of the wheels and the lack of suspension perhaps? I don't know what makes it so noisy. But I think the evo wheels on the versa would be fine in terms of rattling. It's kind of hard-but-soft if you know what I mean?

Badgerhoney Fri 01-Feb-13 10:53:29

Thanks Rooney, that's really helpful. And made me chuckle – 'the sound of an oncoming bee'. Hee hee. I'm probably coming across as a total fusspot, but I just want to do my best to get my first pushchair as close to being right as I can. Although, appreciate there's no way real of knowing until I'm out and about in the real world with a baby in it! shock

RooneyMara Fri 01-Feb-13 11:18:34

Badger, it's taken me 3 children, 10 years and over 60 pushchairs to get this far...there's never a 'right one' that encompasses everything. It's a learning curve - but a fun one I think smile

You're wise to try and get it right first time, I did stick to mainly one with ds1 after a few false starts! But since then I really like trying out different ones, most have been second hand, obviously, but they are all good at different things smile

I hope you do make the right choice and don't have to mess about trying to get the right one later, though. Good luck and keep asking questions - I am always happy to talk buggies, I even left the kids in the car for ten minutes the other day, including the baby (who cried! sad and ds1 had to hold him) because I was in a pram shop and was so excited to have a conversation with someone who understood grin <needs to get out more>

Ihateparties Fri 01-Feb-13 12:07:11

The wheels on the normal versa are not at all noisy, they're eva not hard plastic like some umbrella strollers.

I don't think there's any point in worrying too much if they will outgrow things or develop insanely early physically, you just can't control that type of stuff. And as rooney said it's really not the end of the world if you find whatever you buy doesn't totally suit you, there is a vast used market in pushchairs now, it's relatively easy to swap if necessary and you stop before it becomes a habit unlike the rest of us

RooneyMara Fri 01-Feb-13 17:53:51

I just unpacked my Versa GT. I don't like it sad

The chassis is lovely, really nice, though when you push the handlebar from side to side it moves - I'd expected a more solid construction tbh. Feels a bit flimsy for the price.

The fabric is horrid. White stitching on black and nothing like the BJCM fabric, which I liked a lot. It's that heavy weave plasticky stuff. And a bit of frayed edging came off in my hand - no, no. This is not good enough. They've really skimped on it.

There is also a chip on the seat hinge part, under where you attach the bumper bar. Making sharpish (not dangerous but still) little edge.

It's going back I think. sad Oh and I hate the awkward recline that takes the footwell with it - only two positions? Surely not. Keeps getting jammed as well.

Gahhhhh

Badgerhoney Fri 01-Feb-13 20:35:47

Oh no!!! That sucks. Hmmm. You really think it's not not a keeper? sad

Ihateparties Fri 01-Feb-13 20:48:10

Nooooooo. The jamming in particular does not sound good.

I can't say I even noticed the fabric really and certainly nothing on mine was fraying. The chip sounds rubbish too, is it damage or some sort of shaping and they're all like it?

I heard something about the handlebar on the GT can't remember what, Tiggy will know. Mine was very solid. It was stiff in some ways and then obviously recalled..

:-(

Badgerhoney Fri 01-Feb-13 20:49:55

Double :-(

RooneyMara Fri 01-Feb-13 21:02:28

Well the chip is a proper chip, like, it's been hit with a hammer or something - obvs factory issue, not the shop, box was sealed. It just seems to indicate that the quality has been shafted a bit.
Bear in mind I have high standards - old Mountain Buggy type standards, Emmaljunga type standards iyswim. But even so - a chip on the plastic parts of a new buggy is not on.

the jamming is rubbish. You have to pinch the clasp thing really hard to get it to go down in one move. Same issue - quality.

The frame does wobble side to side and I hate that but looking at it again, for a lightweight buggy, it's maybe to be expected that it isn't throw-a-rock-at-it kind of stuff. But I don't feel it would necessarily be very strong long term. The BJCM seems a lot more robust, to me.

Fabrics are horrid. Sorry sad The basket and the lining a re that nice shiny stuff, very nice, but the outer fabric and the hood, yuck, yuck, yuck.

If I could have BJCM material on the Versa chassis I'd think about it. Have finally managed to fold the chassis and it's nice, if a bit flimsy - it's really nice looking. What a shame they had to spoil it with a shoddy seat unit.

I'd keep it if it were about half the price - but at nearly £400 - no way.

RooneyMara Fri 01-Feb-13 21:03:38

Parties I don't think that was the recall issue, think that was because it was folding itself up with kids in it iyswim.

Don't get me wrong, it ain't terrible - but just not worth the dosh imo. I'll be keeping my mini and my Britax - which I massively prefer to this!

Ihateparties Fri 01-Feb-13 21:11:11

Aha, I didn't notice the fabric then cos I never liked the shiny fabrics for some reason. The recall was to do with the fold pins becoming bent, something like that. The recline was very stiff on mine also though. Yours sounds well dodgy, esp if you can't get it folded up to go back in the box :-(

RooneyMara Fri 01-Feb-13 21:14:41

Parties, I have to admit shamefully that that was my fault entirely - the wheels were locked blush I didn't think it could be a fault - that would be too awful!

It's folded now and perfectly happy. I wish so much that I could love the fabrics and the seat. I'm just hmm that it's chipped though. I may look at it tomorrow and love it slightly more - the chassis certainly - but that material is not very inspiring. I need nice material on a buggy smile

Also I forgot to say - it is very very heavy to lift. I had trouble getting it out of the box, I had to put ds3 down - he is normally on one arm, so a good test of the one hand fold!

The wheels are really cool, though. Great wheels.

RooneyMara Fri 01-Feb-13 21:15:34

You know, I never liked the shiny fabrics either until now. Now I've seen this, I really rate them!

Ihateparties Fri 01-Feb-13 21:27:38

I love the look of the wheels too, I'm a bit of a red herring versa owner in that I kept it up in the house and never folded or lifted it really. The chip is out of order but given how you feel about the rest of it a replacement seems kinda pointless for you :-(
Have you got the b agile carrycot? I loved mine with the carrycot, less so when the seat had to go back on as you can't really have a buggyboard on with the seat fabric and still be able to walk.. it's bouncier than the city mini, I liked that.

Badgerhoney Fri 01-Feb-13 22:42:46

That's such a shame. The versa sounded so promising. Maybe you'll like it more in the morning? If not, it might be back to the Bee for me. Or to trawling the Which best buy reviews again for that lesser spotted mythical parent facing, one step/one hand fold with seat in either direction, sturdy but lightweight, all terrain pushchair with a decent shopping basket, great wheels and suspension, oh and extendable handle bar, that only seems to exist in my imagination, yawn. wink Night all.

Ihateparties Fri 01-Feb-13 22:51:51

:-O when you put it like that = Unicorn. That is a concise list of what almost everyone I know wants though.

Badgerhoney Sat 02-Feb-13 11:40:42

Rooney-feeling any more love for the versa today?

RooneyMara Sat 02-Feb-13 11:45:19

I am. I am loving the chassis. Even if it does give a little.

I spoke to the shop and they are having it collected on Monday - I'm paying half. But I am so torn.

I keep looking at the seat and tryingto love it but I can't - the stitching isn't even very even, when you look at the hems - and the hood is horrid. That fabric is just wrong.

If they could send me a BJCM style seat, with the brilliant folding mechanism but nice fabric, I'd keep it in a flash. sad

Also the footmuff is very nice but it has a zip that goes in from each top end iykwim - and they meet in the middle at the foot end. And even that isn't proper - the two sides of the zip are different, so you get a little bulge in it wherever they meet.

To compare, I've recently bought a genuine Ergo carrier and a fake one from Hong Kong. the fake one arrived yesterday - the quality of that compared to my genuine one, which is perfect, is how I am finding the Versa seat compared to the BJCM.

RooneyMara Sat 02-Feb-13 11:47:40

I am very fussy though. These things may not bother other people. I'm a virgo - things like wonky hems and chips off the plastic make me think, immediately, someone has skimped on this.

It'sall about attitude for me - if I think something's had enough care and love lavished on it, if they have tried to make it as good as they can, I'll forgive the odd error.

If it looks like they have got cheap labour and tried to cash in on the hype and the name then I am sorry, but they can keep it.

Badgerhoney Sat 02-Feb-13 12:11:16

Hmmm. Can't really remember what i thought of the fabric when i played with it in the shop. I don't remember white stitching though. To be honest I think I was too busy folding and unfolding it and going "ooOOoo" to notice much else! What about the weight, you thought it was heavy getting it out of the box, yeah? Did you have a wee push around the house with it?

RooneyMara Sat 02-Feb-13 13:12:47

It's lovely to push - have tried it in the hall only but still, really nice.

I have relented. It's staying blush They are sending a new seat unit though. I'm wondering if they could send me the versa one in red, instead. But haven't asked yet as too embarrassed for messing them about!

the way it folds is superb, I have to admit and the chassis is beautiful...I am going to colour the white thread black with my sharpie, and put a nice footmuff in it grin

Badgerhoney Sat 02-Feb-13 13:34:46

Wow! I'm sure they would exchange for red, you're not messing them around at all. Ooo, I don't know what to do now. Might have to go look at it again in the shop just to be sure. Although, have already played with it twice in the same shop, they'll probably think I'm odd going back again!

RooneyMara Sat 02-Feb-13 13:39:35

Oh just go back and make sure you like it. It's a big outlay - also, ask them about price matching. Most places are asking 429 for the GT. So it's a good price.

I think depends on how they are replacing the seat tbh, if they're getting it ordered in from the manufacturer they might just as well ask for a Versa seat - not sure how it works. I think I'd like the red better as it doesn't have the white stitching I think.

Ihateparties Sat 02-Feb-13 13:46:30

My black versa didn't have any white stitching at all. This is all quite odd. I wonder if they will be willing to mix the seats.

RooneyMara Sat 02-Feb-13 14:09:45

Really Parties? I wonder if that was the first batch you had - the ones that got recalled? Maybe they changed it since then.

I'll call them I think in a minute and try and ask.

RooneyMara Sat 02-Feb-13 14:10:46

you can see it on here

Badgerhoney Sat 02-Feb-13 14:15:09

Maybe white stitching is just on the GT one?

RooneyMara Sat 02-Feb-13 14:22:09

Looks like both on the comparison on that site.

It's strange isn't it - well, I've spoken to the shop and he's going to see if the factory can send me a new frame direct. And I don't have to send back this one as they can see from the photo it's chipped.

He said they won't be sending the fabrics though, just the frame so no can do on the red, and they might just send me one from their own stock if the factory hasn't any. But I guess I can sell the spare seat on ebay or something, obvs stating the fault, which brings the price down in total.

He said they might want it back but will let me know.

Ihateparties Sat 02-Feb-13 17:53:23

Nah, it will have has it and i just straight didn't notice.. blush you mean the semi circle on the footrest? I genuinely don't remember it but i probably put a footmuff straight on and didn't take it off till it went back.

KateShmate Sat 02-Feb-13 18:03:07

Hi Badger
Just thought I would come in with my vote for the Bee+! I have one, (even though I have 3YO triplets who I rarely take out separately) but I cannot bare to part with it because I just love it so much!

I can 100% accept that the 'newborn mode' (i.e. laid flat with cocoon) isn't very appealing, and I have to admit that I wouldn't lie any of my newborns in it. However, if you're willing to buy a few extra bits, it could potentially be the Pram of your dreams!
Right, if you buy the Maxi-cosi carseat adaptors for the buggy, they slot in and a Micralite Toro carrycot can then be inserted into the adaptors (obviously same shape and width). It makes a fantastic pram as the adaptors significantly increase the height of the carrycot. The carrycot itself is absolutely lovely - really big and roomy. Have a look on eBay for the carrycot as they are very hard-wearing and last brilliantly.
If you give the Bee+ with toro carrycot a google, loads of people have done this. Obviously Bugaboo themselves cannot vouch for this as the combination has never had any H&S tests; however, many mums have done this and been extremely pleased!

Unfortunately I haven't had a Babyjogger, but having given it a google, it does look nice. I did come across one picture though - here (I know it's a foreign site) where it seems that the seat doesn't look very long? It looks like a pretty big buggy, but with quite a short seat?
Although as I said, I've not had one of these so can't really comment.

Hope the Bee + Toro combination works for you! smile

Badgerhoney Sat 02-Feb-13 19:14:12

Thanks kateShmate, that's interesting about the carrycot. Will have a look. The seat doesn't look as big in that pic, if only I could understand what they're saying! I think the foot rest does fold down out of the way though so older kids can put their feet on the curved bit of the frame below.

Have you had any issues with your bee's wheels. That's my main worry, partly the shimmying problem (and Bugaboo just sending washers out that don't always fix it) and partly the wheels getting stuck in holes and maybe not being tough/big enough to cope with the dodgy pavements and bumpy footpaths that crop up quite regularly around where I live. There are a lot of smooth pavements too as I'm in a city but to get to the nearby park and river (only 15 mins walk) it's a bit rough. The poor baby might be rattled around a fair bit! But for jumping on buses and nipping around town I know it would be great.

RooneyMara Sun 03-Feb-13 08:21:45

Just to say the foot rest doesn't fold any lower, Badger - it's only got two positions relative to the seat itself.

The seat has two positions - upright (which is a decent upright imo) and laid back. And then you can adjust the footrest to the two different positions as well. I put baby ds in it yesterday, for a moment, while I faffed about with something, and he looked pretty happy in the laid back posture - but he hates being flat anyway. But it didn't make him slump. might use it a bit before 6 months then

Badgerhoney Sun 03-Feb-13 08:47:38

Ah, I get what you mean. Am sure I saw something in a video about the bottom bit of the seat extending a bit to make more room for legs if you pull it out, but it might have been a different pushchair-looked at so many! Does it say anywhere about washing the seat fabric? Can't find any info about that. Wondering if you can take it off and bung in washing mashine like the bjcm?

RooneyMara Sun 03-Feb-13 09:00:39

Ah yes I get what you're on about! I had to take off the seat fabric yesterday, in preparation for the new bit of frame.

What it is is that the bottom section of the footrest, is a separate bit of metal tubing to the rest of it. And it has two little white buttons on the sides, and when you press them, the bottom section of metal extends down - there's elastic in the sides of the footwell fabric, and it makes it a couple of inches longer.
I didn't realise this was there till I took off the fabric as I haven't looked at the manual yet blush but it's a pretty good idea smile
Fwiw the fabric doesn't detach from this section so I don't think you could machine wash it - unless I'm missing summat - but because it's very thick, plasticky material I am sure it would be best just washing it down in the bath. It's not like anything could really sink into it iyswim.

RooneyMara Sun 03-Feb-13 09:02:33

(does that make any sense at all?!)

Badgerhoney Sun 03-Feb-13 09:16:49

Also, in the video I saw I'm sure it said there are 3 seat settings and showed a cheeky wee mid way recline, which l quite nice.

Badgerhoney Sun 03-Feb-13 09:18:05

Also, in the video I saw I'm sure it said there are 3 seat settings and showed a cheeky wee mid way recline, which looked quite nice.

Badgerhoney Sun 03-Feb-13 09:21:18

And yep, think I get what you mean about fabric, thanks. smile

RooneyMara Sun 03-Feb-13 11:16:47

Ah you may well be right. I have taken it apart now so can't go and try - but I've not had it long enough to have a proper idea, so don't take my word for it!

Tiggywunkle Mon 04-Feb-13 00:51:27

Yes there are 3 recline settings. The extending footrest is neat.
I am sorry to hear you have had issues with your Versa, Roony. I love mine. I am glad you are getting a new chassis.
BTW apparently (not that I have tried) but City Select hoods fit on the Versa. It may be that the City Select fabrics fit on too??? But I can't try. But Kooltrade's Customer Services may be willing to try for you!?

RooneyMara Mon 04-Feb-13 08:00:25

Tiggy you are a genius grin will report back...

Badgerhoney Mon 04-Feb-13 11:11:55

Hi there, went back to the shop and played with the Versa again. Lovely to push. I've ordered a standard one in black. The green display one in the shop was lovely but I figure long term black is better as will no doubt get trashed (I quite like the fabric, seems durable). They didn't have a GT to try, but I'm keen to keep the weight down so think the standard will be the best option for me (will probably get total wheel envy if I see anyone out and about with a GT one though, but I'll live.). Tried the Bee again too. The new navy blue with neon wheels one had just arrived, which looked really smart. But even though it was brand new in the shop, the wheels still fishtailed when I turned it, walked fast and pulled it backwards. Real shame. Tried the bjcm GT too. Really, really liked it as so light to tip up. Almost went for it but my hubbie and I noticed that when we pushed it with seat fully reclined our thighs/knees kept knocking against the edge of the seat. I'm 5.6 and he's 6.4. Not sure if that's a common thing or we've just got weird legs! Also, when folded it didn't seem that much lighter than the Versa, a bit, but not as much as I would have thought considering the Versa's 2kg heavier. Might be a different story trying to lift it into the car or up/down stairs though, but hey. Fingers crossed I've made the right choice! Rooney, hope everything works out with yours, keep us posted. Tiggy, nice and reassuring to hear that you still love yours.
smile

KateShmate Mon 04-Feb-13 19:52:47

Hi again Badger, sorry haven't been on since to answer your question about the wheels - my wheels never shimmied! But I know that most people's have been fixed by the washers that they send out, so am sure it's fine. I've pushed some of the brand brand new ones and there are no problems with them at all - I think that issue's been fixed now smile
Feel free to ask anything else - the Bee+ + Toro carrycot was like a dream come true for me! I've always said that Bugaboo's biggest mistake was not having a carrycot for the Bee!

KateShmate Mon 04-Feb-13 19:54:59

Oooh, what a wally! Only just read your updated comment!
Glad you've made your choice, hope it is a lovely buggy! Please come back to us with a full review, incase it's super amazing and we all need to buy one!
How strange about the Bee+'s wheels - but then again, unless you have a weight in there, a lot of buggy wheels do shimmy, especially as the Bee is so light; so maybe that was the issue?
Good luck with the Versa smile

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