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Do I need the carry cot?

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WeeS Thu 24-Jan-13 19:23:31

I'm due my first baby in July, so bear with me if this is a stupid question - do I need the carry cot bit of the pram if the baby will be born in July?

OH & I have started looking at 3 in 1 travel systems, but somebody said do we really need the carry cot if it's born in summer? confused

I thought I needed it all. Totally confused! HELP!


RarelyAGobshite Thu 24-Jan-13 19:28:32

I would say most people use the car seat most when babies are tiny as its just easier to keep them in that (and asleep) when transferring them from the car.

It depends what you're planning on doing really.

Lazy days in the sunshine with no car needed I'd probably say get the cot.

But otherwise I think it's a big thing to transport and they're really not in it for long.

Never had one with my 3, and one was born in July. Good luck!

mummysmellsofsick Thu 24-Jan-13 19:40:04

I think it depends what you'll be doing. I never had one, but we stayed in a lot for the first few months and only made v short journeys with a sling or in the car to begin with. If your buggy seat lies flat it's ok but if you're going to be out walking a lot you might want the carry cot

ceeveebee Thu 24-Jan-13 19:44:41

I don't think a newborn should be in a carseats for long periods of time. They should lie completely flat. Which buggy are you buying? Does it say suitable from birth - most need some kind of carrycot I think
Not sure why the time of year is relevant?

BikeRunSki Thu 24-Jan-13 19:45:14

Bear in mind that babies should not spend more than a couple of hours at a time in car seats.

Pushchair bit alone fine if it reclines flat. Suitable models will say if they are OK from birth, it's a big selling point.

Tweedledeedum Thu 24-Jan-13 19:52:46

We used ours a lot with DS, naps in the house (being able to rock the pram side to side etc is great) and long walks. At around 3 months he started to get a bit long for it and was desperate to look around so it was a natural progression to the seat part.

The thing to consider is that for the first 3 months they should be lying down flat, so shouldn't be in a car seat for more than two hours. Our car seat clips into our pram so is very handy if he falls asleep in the car (nearly every time!) so we don't wake him when we transfer him, but he isn't in there for long periods.

WeeS Thu 24-Jan-13 20:15:46

Thanks everyone smile Still so confused by all the things I have to learn, what I need to buy and what I need to take into account!! Not sure why the time of year was relevant either confused

We're looking at either the Babystyle Oyster or the Uppababy Vista - both very similar but Oyster a little cheaper I think, which was OH's favourite. I liked the Uppababy Vista because the shopping basket underneath was bigger and it looked a bit studier. But then the Oyster had a better variety of colours..... I probably ought to get someone to give me a crash course on prams as I suppose picking a pram for its shopping basket or colour is not really the priority lol smile

Car seats are OK for use in the car (obvs) and a little bit of time extra but.not as a permanent seat on the pushchair - NBs should be flat as much as possible.

A carrycot is great for walks, and I also used mine for dds daytime naps too.

I loved mine and was sad when she outgrew it, but the stroller it fit onto also lays flat so she was still able to nap in that daytimes too.
Lasted about three.months, got it from Tesco online so well worth it.

TwoKidsAndCounting Thu 24-Jan-13 20:21:47

Uppababy has been given the Which? Best buy and it comes with the carry cot, this would be my choice of pram if cost wasn't a factor!

BikeRunSki Thu 24-Jan-13 21:14:13

Time of year is relevant because the carrycot is handy for snuggling down babies away from the elements! I had two Autumn babies, who were well wrapped up against teh wind and rain in the carrycot. Carrycots tend only to last about 4 months, so your July baby is likely to have grown out of it by the time the weather gets wintry.

Big shopping basket is handy, and I hated my Quinny Buzz because the shopping basket was so small things kept falling out of it.

ilovepowerhoop Thu 24-Jan-13 21:17:37

I used the carry cot bit of the pram as a downstairs place for ds to sleep during the day as we didn't have a moses basket.

ceeveebee Thu 24-Jan-13 21:48:09

Oh ok. But if a baby is born in summer they still need to lie flat surely?

milkybrew Thu 24-Jan-13 22:08:56

I would get a carrycot, my DD was summer born and the carrycot was great for two reasons, she was easily kept out of the sun and she was able to lay flat on a nice cotton sheet and stayed cool on hot days. The vista comes with the carrycot anyway and it's a good size, my DD fitted into her carrycot until 6 months, so it saw us through chilly autumn walks too. I used the carrycot for daytime naps and popped it onto a Moses basket stand in the living room. The big basket on the vista is fantastic for taking out all the bits a baby needs and still leaves room for shopping etc.

BearsLikeMarmalade Thu 24-Jan-13 22:16:26

DS was born in August and we used the carry cot (Quinny) all the time up until he was about 3-4 months old. We didn't buy a moses basket, just plonked it wherever we were in the house/put it on pram and took it upstairs next to our bed at night. We moved around quite a lot, went to a wedding etc during that time and it was great to have somewhere so familiar for him to sleep. Was definitely worth having IMO, and it was in great condition for selling on ebay later.

Tiggywunkle Thu 24-Jan-13 23:21:40

A baby should be laid flat ideally for the first 6 months or as near to that as you can get. Babies need time after being in the womb to unfurl, to expand their lungs and importantly to grow their lungs. Growth happens during sleep and so sleeping in a car seat day in and day out will not allow the lungs and other organs to develop properly because they are scrunched up. Real life means car seats are essential for many - but a baby should not be in one more than necessary ie if you drive somewhere, then unless you are literally popping into somewhere and straight back in the car and home, then the baby should be transferred to a carrycot or a lie flat pushchair. THEY SHOULD NOT BE PUSHED AROUND A SHOPPING CENTRE FOR ANOTHER HOUR OR MORE IN THEIR CAR SEAT! Sorry big rant but I see it all the time!! And I know they have been there more than 10 mins by the shopping basket full of various carrier bags.

Seasons are irrelevant because a July baby is an Autumn one by 2-3 months and a winter baby could be basking in early April / May heat if we are lucky. My LO was born in the middle of July and it was freezing and he wore a woolley fleece for the first weeks. We had some sun in August but by mid September it was freezing and wet and cold!

If you like the Oyster, then dont forget the Oyster Max is due out soon which IMHO is better than the Oyster. Its being marketed largely as a double pushchair, but can equally be bought as a single. The advantages are that its got a lie flat seat that is suitable from birth, so you don't need a carrycot, if you don't wish. But the prices are fairly reasonable anyway for one. The Vista is lovely too.

You need to a) work out what exactly you want based on your current lifestyle rather than your fictional in the future one - do you need shopping space, will you walk a long way, are you car based? What storage space do you have in your car and house? Would a carrycot LO can sleep in overnight be useful? What heights are you and your OH etc. and then b) work out your budget.

WeeS Fri 25-Jan-13 17:05:24

Wow, thanks for all your advice everyone!!

I actually hadnt considered using the pram as a daytime sleeping place, but that's a great idea and using the carrycot might save us buying something else that will be outgrown as quick. And also, if I can get a stand for it, use it as a moses basket at night. Which will free up some money!

Tiggywunkle thanks for your comments! I hadnt really taken into account having to lie baby flat (first time Mum) Ok, this might be a really stupid question, but does it have to be completely flat? We had looked at the cocoonababy and it has really good reviews, but I'm quite interested to know if I really need it? Or is it a waste of money? confused

Oh & I'll definately check out the Oyster Max, I'd thought it was just a double buggy smile

DoItToJulia Fri 25-Jan-13 17:15:57

I have the uppababy vista and love it! The carry cot was what sold it to me. It is fully ventilated so can be used for overnight sleeping, so if you go away for the night, or the baby has Moses basket aversion!

I would really recommend the vista. I liked the oyster too, but it felt flimsier compared. If yo have a kiddicare near you, you can push them all around and try folding them and attaching all the bits and bobs. Then you will be in a better position to decide!
Ps I looked at the cocoon baby and decided against it as a similar product has been removed from the market as dangerous. I will try and find the link and post it.


WeeS Fri 25-Jan-13 17:28:22

Thanks, that'd be great! Just as well we didn't buy it!

I agree on the vista - I thought it felt a bit sturdier. I was attracted by the Oyster partly for the lovely polka dot colour set I could get with it grin but I'm fast learning that that's not what choosing a pram is all about haha smile

DoItToJulia Fri 25-Jan-13 18:32:23

Gah, I can't find it, but will keep looking. I think it was an American version.

It looked lovely too sad.

Congratulations by the way!

WeeS Fri 25-Jan-13 20:15:24

Thanks DoItToJulia! smile

It's all very new and exciting grin I'm only just starting to show, bump seems to have just popped out all of a sudden. People are being really nice to me, with the exception of some of the old-school midwives, haha, but I'm getting used to it smile

DoItToJulia Fri 25-Jan-13 20:32:28

Ah, it's such an exciting time! I was bewildered by all the stuff you could buy, but this time around I just bought the minimum s I know how quickly you are done with it all!

A really good travel system pram was where I spent my money mind, I use it everyday and it should last till baby is 3 or 4! For the uppababy I went to a local baby centre and bought a £10 Moses basket stand for the carry cot and it is in the living room for nap time

Baby just needs somewhere to sleep (this time I bought a crib as they last longer than a basket), clothes, nappies a baby bath (I really like the tippee toes one) and feeding stuff....either nursing bras and pads or bottles steriliser and formula.

I did buy a bouncy chair too.

Over time, people have bought things like toys, a baby gym etc for us. But honestly my advice would be don't go OTT with stuff!

Good luck!

Mutley77 Sat 26-Jan-13 07:57:30

I have the mountain buggy swift for dc3 which is totally lie flat as i want baby to lie flat beyond the life of the carrycot. There is a carrycot too and i am not sure whether to bother with that or not as yet.

WeeS Sun 27-Jan-13 16:20:29

It's confusing stuff! I think we'll probably get the carry cot too as it sounds like a good place for baby to sleep during the day smile

Supershiv1 Sun 27-Jan-13 21:30:44

Hi WeeS
I'm due in July too and yesterday shortlisted the Oyster and Vista.
Found the Oyster really easy to fold, but unlike Vista carrycot not suitable for over night. I'm confused as to how much of an issue this is!
Get on the July ante-natal thread if you're not already. S x

AmandinePoulain Sun 27-Jan-13 21:39:41

I've got an Oyster and was lucky enough to be lent a carrycot for it. Dd2 was an August baby so was lovely and snug in the carrycot through the autumn. I mostly use the pushchair seat now though - at nearly 6 months she still fits in the carrycot but she hates lying flat when she's awake - she's too nosy grin. I didn't have a carrycot for dd1, we had a Graco with a lie flat seat and I really regretted that when she was tiny. The carrycot is fab for daytime naps, but it isn't suitable for overnight because the sides aren't ventilated enough if the baby rolls over and their face goes against the side (not that that is an issue for dd2, she's a real lazybones and shows no interest in rolling over at all grinhmm)

Wereonourway Sun 27-Jan-13 21:51:34

Hi wees, I had an oyster for ds. Loved the carry cot as did ds, he was December born so great for winter walks but as he was prem it lasted well into the summer.
I still have the carry cot as I sold the chassis and seat to someone who didn't want the carry cot. Depending on where you are and whether collection is possible I'd be more than happy to let you have it foc. It has a red cover on at moment.
I really really loved the oyster, unfortunately no more dc for me so it's sitting in cupboard under stairs unused. Feel free to pm me if you like.

Tiggywunkle Sun 27-Jan-13 23:42:22

Carrycots suitable for overnight sleeping have to meet both the carrycot and the moses baskets safety regulations so I was told last week. I know there has to be a certain depth to the carrycot - hence why you see notices saying not to add deeper mattresses and ventilation is also seen on carrycots like the Bugaboo Cameleon and Vista ones. Daytime use of other carrycots is deemed ok because you should be awake during the day if your baby got into trouble.
If you mean the more general whether you need a carrycot for overnight sleeping - that depends if you plan to use a moses basket or cot or other bed and also if you travel at all (and dont plan to take a travel cot). Its not important if you wont use a carrycot overnight.

WeeS Tue 29-Jan-13 20:02:24

Thanks Supershiv1 & AmandinePoulain
After looking at prams again, I think we might rule out the Oyster confused

We went to a different pram store yesterday and was introduced to the iCandy Peach..... now totally torn between the Vista and iCandy Peach. I'm sure the girl said the carrycot was safe for overnight sleeping but I'm always suspicious of salespeople lol so will have to research that. We think they'll work out about the same price once you add on things like car seat, adaptors, travel bag, footmuff etc. We were given a price of £999 for the iCandy Peach package which included chassis, carrycot, pram seat, liner, car seat (maxicosi) & car seat adaptor, icandy travel bag, parasol, footmuff. Not sure if this is a good deal or not since we can't find prices for iCandy online (dont think they are for sale online)

Argh - why is choosing a pram so tricky! blush

Loupee Tue 29-Jan-13 20:15:29

I have the vista, and love it, I paid £700 for everything including carseat, footmuff and snug seat at a baby show, they can be good place to try out various buggies and get a decent discount.
The Vista was the hands down winner for me. Once you get hang of folding it becomes second nature.
My DS is now 6 months and in the seat part, I love how high up he is to me, I have proper conversations with him while I'm walking along blush

DoItToJulia Tue 29-Jan-13 20:19:49

They don't sell online, you are quite right.

I liked the iCandy too, but was told that they get scratched easily and end up looking tatty quickly! I can't confirm that, but it informed my choice!

ceeveebee Tue 29-Jan-13 20:58:25

My Icandy is totally unmarked after 14 months of use

Give babynest in Croyden a call, I got a good deal from them with mine, iirc about 10% cheaper than John Lewis (it was £1190 for the twin version with two carrycots, two seats and two car seats)

Ihateparties Tue 29-Jan-13 21:05:50

On the main page of the icandy website, bottom right there is a download pricelist button. Disounts will probably come from the extras, car seats etc. The basic prices for the important bits, pushchair, carrycot, blossom kit etc. I would not expect anyone to sell you just those without add ons for any less than the rrp you will see on this list.

But someone prove me wrong, please.. i would love that in this case!

MumOfMissy Tue 29-Jan-13 21:07:44

I have the vista, I only used the carry cot about 3 times as my LO had silent reflux and hated lying flat! (She wouldn't go in Moses basket either after she was 2 weeks old.) I did try elevating the mattress etc but she was having none of it. I mostly use car seat and clip that onto base, and now she's a bit older she can go in the proper seat part too. I think the vista is a good choice if you walk a lot everywhere, but I drive a lot and find the base heavy to lift in and out of boot. Also if you're using the proper seat part, it won't fold while clipped onto the base unless the seat is facing away from you, whereas I think with a young baby you always want them facing towards you. So if you go out in the car, you'd need to attach the seat to the base facing away from you, fold it, then when you get there, unfold it, detach the seat, and turn it round the other way. It's a lot of faffing and easier just to use the car seat. One good thing about the proper seat though is that it reclines so they can lay flat. All in all I think the vista is very good value and great for those who like to walk everywhere. We got ours as a package deal with the maxicosi car seat and isofix family base. I'd recommend buying from an actual store rather than online as we had to get our basket repaired, and I was glad didn't have to try and arrange that over the net.

DoItToJulia Tue 29-Jan-13 21:10:22

Ah, ceeveebee, I did wonder how true it was!

Ihateparties Tue 29-Jan-13 21:13:27

I have a brio smile, which is a vista frame, with 4 air wheels, 6cm narrower and with lie flat seat instead of a bucket one so suitable from birth. Oh the handle is slightly different to the vista, hinged rather than telescopic but I love it and i wonder if a vista seat would fit on it as my only gripe is the seat back is short

DoItToJulia Tue 29-Jan-13 21:16:12

Liking the smile parties!

WeeS Tue 29-Jan-13 21:16:24

Wereonourway sorry just saw your message! Hadnt realised this thread had spread onto 2 pages! Gosh that's so kind of you smile I will let you know but I think both of our families are wanting to contribute to the pram, but I really appreciate the offer, you're so kind thanks

lotsofcheese Tue 29-Jan-13 21:18:24

I had thought about the Oyster, but ruled it out due to it's chassis being 10kg - 2nd time mum here & learned my lesson with a heavy 1st pram - never agin!

Also ruled out the Uppababy Cruz as, although lightweight, it is expensive & I felt the colours were limited.

I'm going for an icandy cherry - lightweight, nice colour choice & have compromised on cost by buying a 2nd hand carrycot on eBay.

There are also inserts you can buy for the pushchair base, which make it suitable from birth. That would mean you wouldn't need a separate carrycot.

ceeveebee Tue 29-Jan-13 21:27:22

Think the icandy peach chassis about 10kg too - I know it's 14.2kg with one seat on. Very easy to steer but a but heavy lifting in and out of boot etc

pebbles1234 Tue 29-Jan-13 21:59:15

Would thoroughly recommend the iCandy peach. Mine has been going strong for 2.5 years now and still looks great, that's despite numerous trips abroad and a lot of day to day use. The hood on the seat can be moved up to give more room, and one of the seat inserts removed so we're able to continue to use as ds has grown. I had the carrycot top which was used for 3/4 months

I've never found it heavy, fits in the boot of dh's sporty car as well as my mummy tractor as it separates and the seat can be put on top of the frame. It's worth bearing in mind John Lewis will usually price match if you can find it cheaper, plus you get the reassurance of their service!

WeeS Tue 29-Jan-13 22:08:58

When we saw the Vista, the girl didnt show us how to collapse it, which is a pity - and as newbies, we didnt think to ask blush But at the other shop the girl showed us how to do everything with the icandy peach and I was quite impressed by the one handed folding and the strap you use to do this which can also carry the folded pram.

I probably need to compare them both together... just have to find a shop that sells them both that's not miles away!

lotsofcheese interesting that the seat for the icandy has inserts for the pushchair base! The girl never mentioned this, but I'll quiz her on it when I go back into the shop. I suspect the inserts are cheaper than the carrycot smile

Wereonourway Tue 29-Jan-13 22:11:53

It's no problem. It seems sad for it to be sitting there, hope I didn't offend you in anyway by offering!
Good luck with choosing the pram. Exciting times.
Try as many as you can, I'm sure one will strike you and you will know its the one x

lotsofcheese Tue 29-Jan-13 22:13:58

weeS I think you're probably right re:the cost of seat inserts ! The icandy cherry chassis is only 6kg - that's what made my mind up! Too many years of dragging a 10+ kilo pram around - scratched my car trying to haul it into the boot - oh dear.

TinyDiamond Tue 29-Jan-13 22:28:06

I have the oyster and love it!!! Yes, it's heavy but it's so sturdy, dd now 18 months and it still looks as new. smile and when it is looking tired I hope to get the lovely polka dot covers for the next one wink

We had the carrycot, got the whole package. Shopping basket is big and the main pro is that you can have the stroller parent facing or facing out. If front facing you can fit so much stuff underneath and hanging off the handle (I use clips) once I bought a big baby walker as it was on offer and fit that plus all my shopping and comfortably walked home. I don't drive so this stuff was a priority for us

Ihateparties Tue 29-Jan-13 23:14:20

Icandy themselves don't sell inserts, they sell carrycots for ££££ but inserts are available generally, stokke do one for the xplory, silver cross for the surf plus there's the smartmuff and may well be others too, those are just the ones i know of...

Tiggywunkle Wed 30-Jan-13 01:05:35

LOL I was carrying two Peaches around today - one slung over each shoulder and the seats, one in each hand. Its absolutely fine to carry one, never mind two!! One of my Peaches is nearly a year old and is immaculate. There might be a scratch on it, but thats about it. And its been flung all over. My other previous Peaches got a little scractched on the front edge but I once again flung them in and out of my car. But none got any serious scratches and looked in excellent condition when they were sold. If a Peach gets scratched, its how its been looked after rather than the pushchair TBH!
I love the Peach. I like the Cherry a lot too because it is so lightweight but there's just something special about the Peach.

WeeS Wed 30-Jan-13 15:28:26

Wereonourway not at all, it's so kind of you smile and if we go with the Oyster I will let you know thanks

I think OH is preferring the icandy because he thinks it looks the biz (one of the reasons we were going to get the Oyster was so he could have a separate colour pack for when he takes the baby out on his own pmsl) TinyDiamond I absolutely LOVE the Polka Dot Dalmatian covers!! smile but think this was the main reason for OH wanting his own colour pack, because he'd be too embarrassed pushing it in public alone it doesnt stop him walking/lifting my pug across the road wink

As for the icandy cherry, the girl in the (local) shop says they dont stock them anymore due to so many problems being reported with them (?) She didnt say what though. She has given us a price of £899 for the icandy peach package in one of the old colours, or £999 for the icandy peach package in a new colour (package is pushcahir, carrycot, footmuff, bag, parasol&clamp, carseat&adaptors) The prices she's given me are the cheapest so far for brand-new. Also, because the shop is local, we're very tempted to go with them.

I'll definately look into the inserts too though, thanks Ihateparties - I also hear Stokke has a fabulous handwarmer for the pram handlebar which I'd love for next winter. Just need to keep it away from OH lol

Supershiv1 Wed 30-Jan-13 21:19:11

Yay WeeS you joined the ante-natal thread yippeeee!
Hubby really wants the vista btw.

WeeS Thu 31-Jan-13 16:06:49

Hi Supershiv1! It took me a while to find it haha blush Think "baby brain" has taken over!

We ordered the iCandy Peach today! Yes, despite warnings of it being really heavy, easily scratched and the customer service being awful. It was the only pram that OH saw and got excited about and that we both really like.

Now for another dilemma though - we're going to get it in Black Magic so that it'll suit a boy or a girl and as I'm sticking to my guns about not finding out the sex of the baby before the birth, it's the safe option. However, if I found out I was having a girl I could get it in the Berry Bon Bon colour.... hmm

FirstTimeForEverything Thu 31-Jan-13 16:11:58

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

pipsytwos Thu 31-Jan-13 16:22:33

As far as I've researched newborns should be lying down flat. It's bad for their necks and backs to be in car seats all the time, and contributes to flat head syndrome. If you won't be taking them out much in it then I guess you could get away with it, but personally I wouldn't. In fact my dd is 5 months and still in the carry cot, she loves it. It always looks a bit sad to me when you see tiny babies in car seats or pushchairs, their little head can't support itself so it sort of lulls to the side-very uncomfortable in my opinion. Plus if I was sleeping I'd prefer to be lying down rather than sat up. Don't see why seasons have anything to do with it?

Hope that helps. Congratulations! How exciting for you grin

pipsytwos Thu 31-Jan-13 16:37:45

Oops just realised what I said had already been established. Serves me right for replying before reading all the replies! Sorry! grin

Tiggywunkle Fri 01-Feb-13 00:55:08

WeeS Well done for making a decision. I love my Peaches smile
Why dont you get Black Magic and then buy a colour liner to suit. All the Peach (old and new) and Peach Jogger liners supposedly fit. I would get Berry Bon Bon on the Black Magic base smile

WeeS Fri 01-Feb-13 14:58:09

pipsytwos I'm guilty of that too smile I didn't have a clue what difference the seasons made either, thought I was missing out on some great piece of knowledge only bestowed to those who have given birth lol

Tiggywunkle so excited about our pram! grin The Berry Bon Bon on the black base would be lovely smile And we'll have to buy a separate liner anyway as the new Peach 2 doesnt come with a liner included.

As OH said last night, "better to stick with black so if we have another one after it we can get the blossom and it doesnt matter if it's a boy or girl, black will still go" Errrrrrrrrrrrm...... just how soon is he expecting me to pop out another?!? shock lol Who knew men could be so sensible.

willowtreee Sun 03-Feb-13 00:10:55

hi, just wading in here, we have done exactly that, bought black magic stroller and got parma violet insert when had a girl, really wanted the bon bon but the parasol and footmuff aren't pink and wanted all to match. I love my peach, your price is excellent btw

willowtreee Sun 03-Feb-13 00:14:03

oh and we thought there wasn't much choice for boys colours but stockist naughtily showed us some preview pics of new colours out later this year, beautiful blues and greens if i remember correctly (not same as the sweet pea)

WeeS Sun 03-Feb-13 14:41:04

Oooooo that's good to know willowtree!!! There is a lack of imagination I think, when it comes to colours & patterns available on a lot of prams. I was thinking I might have to get creative and learn to use a sewing machine, but I think I'll hold out for the new colours now haha smile

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